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1 hour ago, Horn Dog said:

What is the theory behind why MM could throw on target 1st half and then suddenly couldn’t hit a barn 2nd half?  Fatigue?  In game injury?   Mental breakdown?
I don’t think I have ever seen a QB fade that drastically and then stay down so consistently before.  

It wasn't the entire first half. Looked much better early with scripted plays instead of plays he probably had to make reads. 

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1 hour ago, MIkeHoncho said:

I'll have you know, Sir, that there is a poster on Texags who recently had lunch with, "someone tight with the big spenders, and they know Cooper pretty well", and Cooper told them that if Arch doesn't start the B12 champ game, he's transferring to Aggy. 

Stupid sip, why would aggy take a private school 3*?

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1 hour ago, Zeus said:

Also, if Worthy gets that pass interference call when he's getting tackled it makes a bit of a difference. Our deep ball threats are negated by rigged officiating. 

There was a conference-wide moratorium on PI this past weekend. Receivers were getting tackled left and right during Bedlam, no flags anywhere. It was weird.

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26 minutes ago, Knighthawk said:

I abided by a 24 hour rule and just rewatched the game.  MM not all that bad.  Yes he could have thrown four picks and short hopped a couple others.  kSU is a good veteran team that capitalized on a young qb’s mistakes.  Shocker. 

Doesn't sound like they capitalized if you admit they dropped half the picks he should have thrown.

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4 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


He’s missed time 3 seasons in a row that he’s played. The guy from bama that did that to lsu ain’t the one that busted him up this year. Or in high school.

I cannot speak to what happened in high school. I can say that if the NFL is looking at the guy who purposely tried to hurt him last year, and the DL that tackled him the exact same way they won't have a problem with it. It's not like they were light tackles. Those guys were both trying to hurt him and they did. The NFL protects their QBs a little better than that.

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56 minutes ago, Knighthawk said:

I abided by a 24 hour rule and just rewatched the game.  MM not all that bad.  Yes he could have thrown four picks and short hopped a couple others.  kSU is a good veteran team that capitalized on a young qb’s mistakes.  Shocker.     
 

He will be fine over the next few weeks.  I saw enough upside from MM to go along with plus skill players across the board that should be more than enough to sweep the last three … even with some rs freshmen fuck ups which should diminish each week going forward.   
 

Relax.  Give the guy a chance.  

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2 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

What is the theory behind why MM could throw on target 1st half and then suddenly couldn’t hit a barn 2nd half?  Fatigue?  In game injury?   Mental breakdown?
I don’t think I have ever seen a QB fade that drastically and then stay down so consistently before.  

   Kstate came out all cocky and tried to bring numbers in the box and 1v1 the receivers on the outside. Once we got up on them they switched an started playing their safeties deep. Its easy to make solid throws when its one on one. However, he threw a couple "oh shit" balls into coverage after Kstate dropped their defense back and I am guessing he was taking a little longer look to be sure on those throws that were late. Some QBs follow the receiver with their eyes and have to learn to look at the open spot and see the receiver coming into it. Right now MM is the former, which is why he doesn't see defenders.

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2 hours ago, Zeus said:

Also, if Worthy gets that pass interference call when he's getting tackled it makes a bit of a difference. Our deep ball threats are negated by rigged officiating. 

Even on the deep ball pick where there wasn’t a receiver on the screen, one of our WRs was getting held, the other got tripped. Big 12 refs are a joke. Fuck the big12 straight to the mediocrity it’s facing for decades 

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  What Murph was looking at on the deep interception. K-State has adjusted to the full Flyover, with all 3 safeties deep. The call was pretty solid as it looks like Sark dialed up a winning route combo vs that look. Whit went vertical with a 15 yard curl to occupy the field side safety. Cook releases inside for a 7 route to the pylon. The corner carries the route and pulls Cooks jersey and Cook falls. Murphy throws the ball where Cook should be. If Cook doesn't fall its just him against the corner as the route is breaking away from the safety in the center. Cook cannot fall down with that little contact. Maybe he was trying to draw a call. Not sure. After watching it again that wasn't a bad throw just unfortunate.

 

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

  What Murph was looking at on the deep interception. K-State has adjusted to the full Flyover, with all 3 safeties deep. The call was pretty solid as it looks like Sark dialed up a winning route combo vs that look. Whit went vertical with a 15 yard curl to occupy the field side safety. Cook releases inside for a 7 route to the pylon. The corner carries the route and pulls Cooks jersey and Cook falls. Murphy throws the ball where Cook should be. If Cook doesn't fall its just him against the corner as the route is breaking away from the safety in the center. Cook cannot fall down with that little contact. Maybe he was trying to draw a call. Not sure. After watching it again that wasn't a bad throw just unfortunate.

 

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Yeah - This interception can be attributed to bad luck/bad officiating. His other INT (and the other couple that should have been INTs) were less than ideal though... 

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8 minutes ago, UTHornFan014 said:

Yeah - This interception can be attributed to bad luck/bad officiating. His other INT (and the other couple that should have been INTs) were less than ideal though... 

Indeed. Also this 4th down call was money. Sanders for sure gets the first down and maybe a TD depending on that last man. If Red just doesn't drop it.

 

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3 hours ago, Knighthawk said:

I abided by a 24 hour rule and just rewatched the game.  MM not all that bad.  Yes he could have thrown four picks and short hopped a couple others.  kSU is a good veteran team that capitalized on a young qb’s mistakes.  Shocker.     
 

He will be fine over the next few weeks.  I saw enough upside from MM to go along with plus skill players across the board that should be more than enough to sweep the last three … even with some rs freshmen fuck ups which should diminish each week going forward.   
 

Relax.  Give the guy a chance.  

      after a solid rewatch I would say I have to agree. Did he have a couple stupid throws? Absolutely. However, there were a lot of really good ones. Worthy got tackled on two TD throws. Cook got pulled down on one. We had a lot of penalties that killed drives. A blocked punt. A fumble. If we can somehow not turn it over its not that close. The refs call the obvious calls and its a blowout.

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7 hours ago, Zeus said:

Maybe Maalik should sits a few series and let's see what Arch can do in this offense. 

Agreed. If nothing else it'll give Sark some insight on how well Arch can adjus, see the field and make the right play. He doesn't need to open the entire playbook for him, just enough to get him comfortable. I said this before and I'll say it again- There's a reason Arch got a perfect rating. Yes, he'll take his lumps, but it wouldn't be a shock to see that he's smarter with the ball in his hands (like throwing it away, and not throwing in the chest of an opposing player I would hope). 

 

I'm not giving up on Maalik, even though I said some shit on the game thread that was warranted. Right now Maalik is terribad. If he's turnover-prone again even just once, sit him for a few series and give Arch a shot. TCU is shitty enough for him to throw in the flat, a slant, a curl, or just a dump off to the RB to settle his nerves and build his confidence. We have the skill players to help help him out. 

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10 hours ago, Deej said:

For a QB whisperer like Sark, our QB's sure have some footwork issues. 

That's recruiting more than development. MM is playing 2 years too early, he's had a QB coach for at least 9 years and still has throwing mechanics like he's only been playing backyard 7 on 7 his entire life. He also has injury issues that have slowed his development. Unfortunately, our failure to protect Quinn forced him into action before he was ready.

My biggest issues are with his decision making. I know he's hurt but he's gotta know his limitations, learn from his worst mistakes, and keep things simple until Quinn gets back. 

His improvisation helped us win the game though. That 4th down throw to JT in the 4th quarter was probably not where the pass was supposed to go (look at Whittington), but he directed JT open and made the throw.

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9 minutes ago, Atticus said:

That's recruiting more than development. MM is playing 2 years too early, he's had a QB coach for at least 9 years and still had throwing mechanics like he'd only been playing backyard 7 on 7 his entire life. He also has injury issues that have slowed his development. Unfortunately, our failure to protect Quinn forced him into action before he was ready.

My biggest issues are with his decision making, I know he's hurt but he's gotta know his limitations, learn from his worst mistakes, and keep things simple until Quinn gets back. 

His improvisation helped us win the game though. That 4th down throw to JT in the 4th quarter was probably not where the pass was supposed to go (look at Whittington), but he directed JT open and made the throw.

Hard to protect Quinn when he is 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage running the ball.

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8 hours ago, Deej said:

For a QB whisperer like Sark, our QB's sure have some footwork issues. 

MM was always a developmental QB. He started 20 games in HS. In HS he struggled with accuracy and interceptions. He completed 59% of his throws in HS. He had 31 TDs and 15 interceptions. He has an extremely long throwing motion. Sark and Maalik have been working correct that. There are times when it looks better, but when the bullets fly the old habits come back. 

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4 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Hard to protect Quinn when he is 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage running the ball.

Quinn had 11 sacks in 10 games last year. He's had 17 sacks in 7 games this year. It might be worse as far as hits if I dig deeper than ESPN

 

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1 hour ago, Nope said:

He’s playing injured 

Same reason he’s attempted some horrible passes to avoid a sack

Just my opinion, but it doesnt appear related to injury. Maalik had already thrown 2 passes off the chest of KSU's players and one into their hands at the point of that terrible interception.  Injury may explain the poor accuracy, but not the poor decisions. He is just too careless with the ball to believe that it will not come back to bite Texas at some point. This in the backdrop of 2 homes games and some excellent pass protection on Saturday

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Arch's redshirt has zero to do with the situation. For one, the only way Arch is in college 5 years is if he's a complete bust. Secondly, even if he played against BYU in an all hands on deck tryout and was clearly better than Murphy he could have played every game up until Thanksgiving and kept the redshirt. Third, you know what's more important than a third string QB's redshirt? Winning the fucking conference and getting in the playoff. 

Also, I think Sark isn't handling this like a true head coach. He's handling it like a former college quarterback and offensive coordinator who refuses to bench one of his guys that he recruited. He did the exact same thing last year with Ewers. Remember the TCU and Oklahoma State games? Even though Ewers was almost solely responsible for losing those games he refused to bench him. He stated that young quarterbacks have to go through those growing pains to develop. A head coach should always put the team ahead of a young quarterback's development, but this one doesn't. And that's going to get us beat if we aren't as lucky as we were last Saturday. 

Unlike KSU who is built offensively in the worst possible way to attack Texas's best in the country run defense, TCU is built in the best possible way to attack our defense. Their strength is the passing game and their receivers are fast and talented. They will move the ball against us all day long, but somehow they are worse in the red zone than we are, so the defense is going to have to make plays to keep them to field goals. I do not feel good going on the road with a turnover prone, inaccurate quarterback against a team whose offense can easily attack our weakness. Unfortunately, we don't have a head coach like Saban to save Sark from his worst tendencies. 

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3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Arch's redshirt has zero to do with the situation. For one, the only way Arch is in college 5 years is if he's a complete bust. Secondly, even if he played against BYU in an all hands on deck tryout and was clearly better than Murphy he could have played every game up until Thanksgiving and kept the redshirt. Third, you know what's more important than a third string QB's redshirt? Winning the fucking conference and getting in the playoff. 

Also, I think Sark isn't handling this like a true head coach. He's handling it like a former college quarterback and offensive coordinator who refuses to bench one of his guys that he recruited. He did the exact same thing last year with Ewers. Remember the TCU and Oklahoma State games? Even though Ewers was almost solely responsible for losing those games he refused to bench him. He stated that young quarterbacks have to go through those growing pains to develop. A head coach should always put the team ahead of a young quarterback's development, but this one doesn't. And that's going to get us beat if we aren't as lucky as we were last Saturday. 

Unlike KSU who is built offensively in the worst possible way to attack Texas's best in the country run defense, TCU is built in the best possible way to attack our defense. Their strength is the passing game and their receivers are fast and talented. They will move the ball against us all day long, but somehow they are worse in the red zone than we are, so the defense is going to have to make plays to keep them to field goals. I do not feel good going on the road with a turnover prone, inaccurate quarterback against a team whose offense can easily attack our weakness. Unfortunately, we don't have a head coach like Saban to save Sark from his worst tendencies. 

I listened to On Texas Football last night too... they made the EXACT same points in your post.....

Doesn't mean Arch won't have the same "growing pains" and we are just rinsing and repeating if we start him. Malik may improve in game 3. Who knows.

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9 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Arch's redshirt has zero to do with the situation. For one, the only way Arch is in college 5 years is if he's a complete bust. Secondly, even if he played against BYU in an all hands on deck tryout and was clearly better than Murphy he could have played every game up until Thanksgiving and kept the redshirt. Third, you know what's more important than a third string QB's redshirt? Winning the fucking conference and getting in the playoff. 

Also, I think Sark isn't handling this like a true head coach. He's handling it like a former college quarterback and offensive coordinator who refuses to bench one of his guys that he recruited. He did the exact same thing last year with Ewers. Remember the TCU and Oklahoma State games? Even though Ewers was almost solely responsible for losing those games he refused to bench him. He stated that young quarterbacks have to go through those growing pains to develop. A head coach should always put the team ahead of a young quarterback's development, but this one doesn't. And that's going to get us beat if we aren't as lucky as we were last Saturday. 

Unlike KSU who is built offensively in the worst possible way to attack Texas's best in the country run defense, TCU is built in the best possible way to attack our defense. Their strength is the passing game and their receivers are fast and talented. They will move the ball against us all day long, but somehow they are worse in the red zone than we are, so the defense is going to have to make plays to keep them to field goals. I do not feel good going on the road with a turnover prone, inaccurate quarterback against a team whose offense can easily attack our weakness. Unfortunately, we don't have a head coach like Saban to save Sark from his worst tendencies. 

I don't agree with this at all. First, Sark has shown to make solid personnel decisions. Whether you want to agree or not, sticking with Quinn last year lead to a confident Quinn this year. Maybe pulling Quinn leads to him transferring at worst or losing confidence in himself. None of us are at practice so we don't know whether or not Arch looks good. If you put Arch in there you have immediately lost Murphy, and if Arch struggles you can't then go back ro Murphy. So the decision isn't one to make lightly. You guys think pulling players in and out doesn't have affects. 

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21 hours ago, Chopper said:

Burton and Hamilton discussed on Friday's podcast that Maalik missed at least a day of practice this week and the week prior due to what's likely an unknown injury. Has that report somehow not made it to this thread? He's playing like he needs to avoid contact.

I'm assuming this mystery injury is to his leg/s.  I know he isn't known for his mobility but, jfc, the dude looks like he's wearing cement shoes back there.  Hell, he makes Joe Namath in his 10th NFL season look like VY.  

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6 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

I listened to On Texas Football last night too... they made the EXACT same points in your post.....

Doesn't mean Arch won't have the same "growing pains" and we are just rinsing and repeating if we start him. Malik may improve in game 3. Who knows.

If they had played Arch a few series and he looked even more turnover prone than Maalik then 1) holy shit we may be screwed next year and 2) at least we would know, the team would know, and the head coach would know. This game might be a big problem and it would absolutely suck ass if TCU were the team to knock us out of winning the last big 12 title on the way out the door. 

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I don't agree with this at all. First, Sark has shown to make solid personnel decisions. Whether you want to agree or not, sticking with Quinn last year lead to a confident Quinn this year. Maybe pulling Quinn leads to him transferring at worst or losing confidence in himself. None of us are at practice so we don't know whether or not Arch looks good. If you put Arch in there you have immediately lost Murphy, and if Arch struggles you can't then go back ro Murphy. So the decision isn't one to make lightly. You guys think pulling players in and out doesn't have affects. 

I don’t think leaving Quinn in those two games while he was smearing shit on the walls had anything to do with his confidence this season. His confidence has came from trying to improve himself and studying the playbook.

He should have pulled Quinn in this games to settle him down. I think it’s a little different this year, for the reasons you stated though.
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1 minute ago, Hermanator said:

If they had played Arch a few series and he looked even more turnover prone than Maalik then 1) holy shit we may be screwed next year and 2) at least we would know, the team would know, and the head coach would know. This game might be a big problem and it would absolutely suck ass if TCU were the team to knock us out of winning the last big 12 title on the way out the door. 

you're not wrong at all. I wish we'd been able to get both guys into the games earlier this season. I'm looking forward to Sark getting further into his tenure where he's developing experienced depth at QB. We're just not there yet. 

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4 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Arch's redshirt has zero to do with the situation. For one, the only way Arch is in college 5 years is if he's a complete bust. Secondly, even if he played against BYU in an all hands on deck tryout and was clearly better than Murphy he could have played every game up until Thanksgiving and kept the redshirt. Third, you know what's more important than a third string QB's redshirt? Winning the fucking conference and getting in the playoff. 

Also, I think Sark isn't handling this like a true head coach. He's handling it like a former college quarterback and offensive coordinator who refuses to bench one of his guys that he recruited. He did the exact same thing last year with Ewers. Remember the TCU and Oklahoma State games? Even though Ewers was almost solely responsible for losing those games he refused to bench him. He stated that young quarterbacks have to go through those growing pains to develop. A head coach should always put the team ahead of a young quarterback's development, but this one doesn't. And that's going to get us beat if we aren't as lucky as we were last Saturday. 

Unlike KSU who is built offensively in the worst possible way to attack Texas's best in the country run defense, TCU is built in the best possible way to attack our defense. Their strength is the passing game and their receivers are fast and talented. They will move the ball against us all day long, but somehow they are worse in the red zone than we are, so the defense is going to have to make plays to keep them to field goals. I do not feel good going on the road with a turnover prone, inaccurate quarterback against a team whose offense can easily attack our weakness. Unfortunately, we don't have a head coach like Saban to save Sark from his worst tendencies. 

The point with Manning's 'shirt is not maximizing the length of his college career.  Historically, a FR RS was the ideal QB development scenario and that was the at least tacit deal with the Manning family.  Granted, that may be becoming less feasible in that a QB can't afford the RS if he enters the draft as a junior, but the development point still stands.

Not pulling Ewers, or Murphy, for that matter, is not as simple as you make it out to be.  The notion that Card last year would have been an improvement is dubious at best.  The situation with Manning may or may not be dubious, but it is highly speculative and might undermine the confidence of the Manning family and any future recruits relying on Sarkisian as a QB whisperer and man of his word.

The bolded I think emphasizes what I perceive to be Sark's "stubbornness" at forcing players into challenging situations so they can improve from it.  I agree that doing that to the detriment of winning is dubious and probably wrong, but it is at least somewhat debatable.  In hindsight, pulling the floundering QB may look like the right move, but that notion is so hindsight-infected that it's really impossible to evaluate.

Where I think you are off, again, is that pulling the floundering QB, whether Ewers or Murphy, would have resulted in wins, while possibly stunting the development of a longer-term need.

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11 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

What is the theory behind why MM could throw on target 1st half and then suddenly couldn’t hit a barn 2nd half?  Fatigue?  In game injury?   Mental breakdown?
I don’t think I have ever seen a QB fade that drastically and then stay down so consistently before.  

At halftime he said, "Up your butt, Jobu" and drank the rum???

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19 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I don't agree with this at all. First, Sark has shown to make solid personnel decisions. Whether you want to agree or not, sticking with Quinn last year lead to a confident Quinn this year. Maybe pulling Quinn leads to him transferring at worst or losing confidence in himself. None of us are at practice so we don't know whether or not Arch looks good. If you put Arch in there you have immediately lost Murphy, and if Arch struggles you can't then go back ro Murphy. So the decision isn't one to make lightly. You guys think pulling players in and out doesn't have affects. 

The situations are different. Last year in the Oklahoma State game we had two losses so the playoff was out of the picture. The conference title was still up for grabs at that that point, and both the team and Quinn could have benefited from pulling him out of a game he was practically throwing away by himself. You pull him out to settle him down and see if a fresh quarterback can guide the ship to a win, and then during the next week you build Quinn back up and start him again. No one was saying to bench him for the season. Once the TCU game came around, Sark had already made his bed and allowed Quinn to blow the Oklahoma State game so there was nothing to play for at that point. I disagree that letting him shit his pants in front of everyone for those two games had any benefit on him developing this year. The same level of shame and embarrassment in his lack of preparation would have happened from getting benched as well. 

Now this season is completely different. It isn't the full-time starter we are talking about, it's two backups, and whomever loses the competition for next year's starter is transferring anyway. It would have been best for next year to get a look at both under this high stress, live fire situation to see who handles it better heading into next year's competition. It would have also been best for this year to exhaust all the options and figure out which guy gives you the best chance to win now since both the playoff and the conference title are still on the line. 

Now there could be circumstances we don't know about such as the Mannings telling Sark they don't want Arch playing under any circumstance this year, but that just isn't really believable. It's far more believable that Sark is staying true to his tendencies of being a quarterback coach first and head coach second. Since Maalik stuck it out with him, he's going to give him every opportunity to torpedo the ship and throw away a conference title and playoff out of loyalty to his guy. It's just one of Sark's faults. 

Chances are we get TCU's best shot on Saturday in Ft Worth. We better hope Quinn is ready for it. If not hang on to your butts, fellas. 

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MM winning the QB battle next year would be a massive upset. Even without any bias from the coaches/program implications

MM struggling like he is now makes it more likely his value on the transfer market goes down, which makes it more likely he stays an extra year to backup Arch. 

That’s the best case scenario for Texas. 

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Just now, Atticus said:

MM struggling like he is now makes it more likely his value on the transfer market goes down, which makes it more likely he stays an extra year to backup Arch. 

Yeah, unless Maalik goes balls out against TCU, I just don't see many programs watching his film from the past two games and saying, "Guys, we've found our starting QB for next season."  If he really wanted to start next year I'm sure he could find a place at a bottom tier school, but I don't see any situation better for Maalik than the backup QB at the University of Texas.  

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We're not asking MM to be VY reincarnate, but he needs to run the damn ball.  This was the play he threw the pick into coverage and Cook slipped.

2nd and 3, he communicates with the right tackle picks up a blocker, could have been something there. Nitpicking here, but he needs to have better situational awareness there and protect the damn ball

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