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1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

FondueBro.

Chesebro’s self sabotage is really sad. Consider all he gave up by turning his back on long time mentor and friend, Lawrence Tribe just to cast his lot with Trump and a bunch of crazies…

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oof the felony is conspiracy to file false documents.

Texas almost automatically suspends (in the case of a non-conviction, deferred arrangement like this) or disbars (straight-up conviction by plea or trial) those with felony convictions.  I imagine most states are similar (in fact, know they are with some variation, at least as of about 20 years ago).

There is a slight bit of wiggle room in Texas in the event the felony is not one of moral turpitude, which generally means directly impacts one's fitness to practice law.  But filing false documents is most likely not going to be one of those offenses.

Of course, AFAIK he's not licensed in Texas, but I think the licensing/discipline schemes are pretty similar nationwide.

So, this plea highly likely jeopardizes his law license.  He must have been quite fearful of a conviction.

Wow.

When TwiceHorn is feeling good about the prosecution's chances, you know what it means?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Chesebro’s self sabotage is really sad. Consider all he gave up by turning his back on long time mentor and friend, Lawrence Tribe just to cast his lot with Trump and a bunch of crazies…

He did it all for MAGA nookie

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What was the fine amount?  Because I’ll bet that amount in cash he tries to pay it in cartons of autographed DvD’s of “the apprentice: season 3” and cases of “lightly” expired Trump steaks and water. 

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3 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

What was the fine amount?  Because I’ll bet that amount in cash he tries to pay it in cartons of autographed DvD’s of “the apprentice: season 3” and cases of “lightly” expired Trump steaks and water. 

$5K -- time to engage the grift machine!

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Posted
1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

So you lawyerly types answer me this:  does Chesebro's flip impact Jenna Ellis' chances of getting a good plea deal?

His leverage was the request for a speedy trial and the jury selection that was scheduled for this week. Jenna doesn’t have any leverage 

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12 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

His leverage was the request for a speedy trial and the jury selection that was scheduled for this week. Jenna doesn’t have any leverage 

 

You think he planned it that way?  

On one hand not asking for the expedited trial and he's not a felon today.

On the other, maybe he thought it would catch the DA off guard but it backfired when his lawyers looked at discovery he knew he was fucked

 

Oh, and Trump's message takes a hit.  this is such a witch hunt that the co-defendants are pleading.

 

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2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

So you lawyerly types answer me this:  does Chesebro's flip impact Jenna Ellis' chances of getting a good plea deal?

 First in = best deal.

 They care about what you can bring them.   If they get that info from defendant #1, the deal defendant #2 gets is usually less.   It is not so much what bad thing the flipping defendant did that concerns of them, it’s what the flipping defendant can bring them to aid them in their conviction of the other codefendants - who are usually higher up.

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3 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

Wow, I knew the case against them must have been weak when the Kraken pled guilty, but for them to let Cheesehead do it they must have really, really overcharged.

 

3 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

Nah, he just knows that Trump will financially support him when he's done.

Aren't you on a fucking roll today...

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10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

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And I have not verified this but according to this guy Misty Hampton's (Coffee County election supervisor) 15,000 e-mails were finally handed over to the Georgia DA yesterday.  2+2 new evidence  led to the new pleas?

 

 

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6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

There is a slight bit of wiggle room in Texas in the event the felony is not one of moral turpitude, which generally means directly impacts one's fitness to practice law.  But filing false documents is most likely not going to be one of those offenses.

I would think filing false documents would be.

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Ok folks, here it is, the Government's Response to Trump's motion to dismiss the DC indictment on the grounds of presidential immunity.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/109/united-states-v-trump/

No court has had the opportunity to consider this question, and, even setting aside our interest in Trump suffering manifold consequences for his mopery and cuntery, this is one of the bigger constitutional questions lying out there unresolved.

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37 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ok folks, here it is, the Government's Response to Trump's motion to dismiss the DC indictment on the grounds of presidential immunity.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/109/united-states-v-trump/

No court has had the opportunity to consider this question, and, our interest in Trump suffering manifold consequences for his mopery and cuntery, this is one of the bigger constitutional questions lying out there unresolved.

A little bit delicious to have Barr and Kavanaugh cited.

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Posted
6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Imagine some one so arrogant that they post a drawing of Jesus next to them.  If Obama or Biden did something like this, evangelicals would be flipping out about how sacrilegious this is portraying. Instead, I would think many would buy this trump  art for their mantle.

This shithead is going on trial for trying to steal an election and he has the nerve  to say the Capitol looks like shit on the campaign trail. 

 

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$5,000 fucking dollars?  Why not just flat-out encourage this rancid piece of shit to just spew whatever violent threats he wants.  Hell, might as well give him the Autobahn to the presidency.  I don't care what @TwiceHorn preaches.  Our court system is an abortion.  That judge is a bitch. 

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1 hour ago, Born to Run said:
1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:
I'm also very drunk and irritated from the Rangers' game. I could be overreacting. 

You could go take your rage against short people out in the House Speaker thread.

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3 hours ago, Chris Dishman's Donut said:

A little bit delicious to have Barr and Kavanaugh cited.

There's really hardly any reason to believe the Supreme Court will help him out much on this.  They haven't at all on similar and related questions in the last couple of years.

I don't think there will be anything resembling Trump's absolute immunity from criminal prosecution.  There may be some scrap or remnant of immunity for former Presidents when their actions in office are core or fundamental to the office.

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7 hours ago, TexasEd said:

  

 

You think he planned it that way?  

On one hand not asking for the expedited trial and he's not a felon today.

On the other, maybe he thought it would catch the DA off guard but it backfired when his lawyers looked at discovery he knew he was fucked

 

Oh, and Trump's message takes a hit.  this is such a witch hunt that the co-defendants are pleading.

 

Trump already tried to delay the trial date.  That pretty much guts any future speed trial claim on his part.  Powell, et al. got to play the speedy trial because of the threat to try all the defendants together, not that that ever was the real plan.  Anyway, she asked for a speedy trial, and she got one, and by virtue of that, she got the first opportunity to plead "guilty" and make a deal to testify against Trump.

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8 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

 First in = best deal.

 They care about what you can bring them.   If they get that info from defendant #1, the deal defendant #2 gets is usually less.   It is not so much what bad thing the flipping defendant did that concerns of them, it’s what the flipping defendant can bring them to aid them in their conviction of the other codefendants - who are usually higher up.

And that makes sense. And not to beat up on @TwiceHorn too much but he did say (and I agree) that the GA indictments were the most “loose” (sorry, paraphrasing). And just as important, not such a slam dunk legally as the Smith case. Cool, don’t disagree. 

but now that Rico doing what Rico does and Powell, cheese bun go guilty… what’s the assessment? Still unruly and loose? Or do the guilty pleas shore up the messy-ness of the initial filing? 

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And that makes sense. And not to beat up on [mention=248]TwiceHorn[/mention] too much but he did say (and I agree) that the GA indictments were the most “loose” (sorry, paraphrasing). And just as important, not such a slam dunk legally as the Smith case. Cool, don’t disagree. 
but now that Rico doing what Rico does and Powell, cheese bun go guilty… what’s the assessment? Still unruly and loose? Or do the guilty pleas shore up the messy-ness of the initial filing? 
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/09/ken-chesebro-memos-trump-coconspirator-00110458
Not practicing federal criminal law, I’m a bad guy to ask. But if you look at that link, it will remind us that Chesbro is co-conspirator 5 in Jack’s J6 case against trump.   Chesbro was intimately involved in January 6, and the Fulton county charge was about his efforts to get the alternate slate of electors in Georgia. To get his deal he has to sing.  I have no idea if the state and federal DAs cooperate to any great extent, or if Chesbro attorneys made a plea deal with Jack as well, because Chesbro essentially pled guilty to part of the scheme Jack accused him of in the January 6 indictment. 
The Cheese man was all up in the planning of January 6 attempt to stop the electoral college count.   He was also in touch with Ginni Thomas after the election in the run up to J6, and my fever dream is that he can provide evidence to indict that bitch as well.
Eastman might have had the overall strategy planned, but Chesbro was king of the granular details on how to stop the electoral college count and get the false electors approved by Pence.  Chesbro knows shit.  and speaking of shit, I’m sure Trump and the other co-conspirators are doing a lot of that right now.
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7 hours ago, achooloco said:

And that makes sense. And not to beat up on @TwiceHorn too much but he did say (and I agree) that the GA indictments were the most “loose” (sorry, paraphrasing). And just as important, not such a slam dunk legally as the Smith case. Cool, don’t disagree. 

but now that Rico doing what Rico does and Powell, cheese bun go guilty… what’s the assessment? Still unruly and loose? Or do the guilty pleas shore up the messy-ness of the initial filing? 

I think what I did say was that the indictment recited potentially excessive predicate acts, many of which were not criminal in and of themselves.

One way RICO charges fail is that the predicate acts are insufficient to support the enterprise.  So, overpleading is incentivized.  But I think there are more than 200 and closer to 300 predicate acts, understanding that some of them may get "tossed."

I thought, still think, that might be kind of excessive, And it appeared that it was going to aid Meadows and maybe others in getting their cases removed to federal court.

Ain't no one we really care about guilty of a felony yet.  One we seem to care quite a bit about got off with a misdemeanor (Powell).  And we don't and can't know the motivations for and backgrounds of these pleas.  Objectively speaking, those who think they were a result of case weakness are about as likely to be right as those who think Cheeseman and Powell gave up vital "state's evidence." Of course we hope the  the latter, but there's really no way of knowing until later.  It's all speculation at this point, but you'd certainly hope and think Willis has this knocked.

So, this may be going to plan.

 

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7 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/09/ken-chesebro-memos-trump-coconspirator-00110458
Not practicing federal criminal law, I’m a bad guy to ask. But if you look at that link, it will remind us that Chesbro is co-conspirator 5 in Jack’s J6 case against trump.   Chesbro was intimately involved in January 6, and the Fulton county charge was about his efforts to get the alternate slate of electors in Georgia. To get his deal he has to sing.  I have no idea if the state and federal DAs cooperate to any great extent, or if Chesbro attorneys made a plea deal with Jack as well, because Chesbro essentially pled guilty to part of the scheme Jack accused him of in the January 6 indictment. 
The Cheese man was all up in the planning of January 6 attempt to stop the electoral college count.   He was also in touch with Ginni Thomas after the election in the run up to J6, and my fever dream is that he can provide evidence to indict that bitch as well.
Eastman might have had the overall strategy planned, but Chesbro was king of the granular details on how to stop the electoral college count and get the false electors approved by Pence.  Chesbro knows shit.  and speaking of shit, I’m sure Trump and the other co-conspirators are doing a lot of that right now.

Yeah, although Cheeseman wasn't a super high-profile target (upthread I think several didn't even know who he was),  securing his plea to a felony count of filing false documents relating to the electoral certificates and scheme, all by itself, establishes for both this case and the federal one, the illegality of an element of the 1/6 conspiracy.

This kind of just went from, "we were just advocating a legal position" to we did some crimes.

And, presumably Cheeseman can provide good evidence as to Trump's knowledge and endorsement of the plan.

If so, that is a major boon I think to both this case against Trump and the 1/6 case.

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Another loose end here.  I saw an MSNBC thing (yes fairly speculative) analyzing whether Sidney Powell has federal criminal exposure.

One would think that she and her lawyers would not plead in this case unless securing some kind of deal with the feds to avoid prosecution.  But in her plea "colloquy" with the judge, she was asked if there were any other agreements pertaining to the plea and she answered "no," indicating that there possibly was no such deal with the feds.

So, her testimony here, secured by the plea agreement, could not only help the federal case, but give her more exposure to federal indictment.  She ostensibly can't plead the Fifth because of the plea agreement.

As to her own individual acts, I'm not sure Powell faces much federal exposure, other than as a conspirator in the overall 1/6 conspiracy.  She is, after all, unindicted co-conspirator 3, most likely.

One of the usual reasons a co-conspirator is unindicted is that they are providing "state's evidence."  Another is that their guilt is not as easily proven as the indicted conspirators.  Or maybe indictments will be forthcoming upon winning the main case against Trump, or as limitations expire (late 2025).

Hard to know why someone like Powell remains unindicted.

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Posted
14 hours ago, TexasEd said:

And I have not verified this but according to this guy Misty Hampton's (Coffee County election supervisor) 15,000 e-mails were finally handed over to the Georgia DA yesterday.  2+2 new evidence  led to the new pleas?

 

 

Thanks. I found that enormously valuable for getting a better grasp of RICO, many of the players in this conspiracy, and what those miscreants were doing.

Highly recommended.

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