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With so many Trump admin officials coming out to say they won’t vote for him, or telling a story from behind the scenes at the Trump WH, I hope Biden can convince them to be filmed for political ads. Biden is never going to convince some GOPers  to vote for him, but a certain percent might be convinced to stay home on Election Day.

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11 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

Polling issues causing some angst and a potential Biden health scare aside, am I the only one who feels like this isn't going to be particularly close? I don't think Trump can count on all of these people switching to him in the General. Meanwhile, he's out of money and the RNC is out of money to really do much about it. 

The one thing that could upset the apple cart is as black swan event, like a huge terror attack coordinated by people who had come across the border.

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21 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

gonna make trump’s broke ass defend fl and tx. lol. 

 

20 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

 

I guess it sort of makes sense.  Both states are booming, economically, under Biden.

It makes sense because of the former point. Biden has such a ridiculous cash advantage that deploying resources in FL/TX/NC (I was big on Democrats in NC in 2020 and I want to be again with migration trends but the polls look terrible for Biden) and making Trump play defense has as much or more utility as swamping the six Biden swing states *that* much more. Diminishing returns and all that. Not to mention he has so much cash that it's not really a trade off.

12 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Negative Nancy here but I hope that he doesn’t pull a Hillary and try to expand the map before locking up 270 EVs. 

Expanding the map is probably the best way to get to 270 EVs. You make Trump play defense and improve your chances in the swing states you won last time. And if you happen to win TX or FL, election is over.

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Dems flipped SCOWI in 2023. It was a big deal. Led to fair maps for the state legislature and a post-2024 challenge to the congressional maps. SCOMI flipped in 2020 

Yeah I'm pretty optimistic on WI. Democratic base has been consistently engaged there over the past four years and now they have an opportunity to reset the landscape in the state legislature. I cannot fathom an enthusiasm gap with the base there, and we know how the suburbs feel about Trump.

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3 hours ago, Js1 said:

Dems flipped SCOWI in 2023. It was a big deal. Led to fair maps for the state legislature and a post-2024 challenge to the congressional maps. SCOMI flipped in 2020 

The last time Wisconsin elected a Legislature under fair maps was either 2008 or 2010. 

One big reason why the SCOWI went Democrat last year is because all the students that were in elementary school during the open teacher rebellion of 2011 watched their teachers get boatraced in the years since.

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7 hours ago, 'stache said:

 

The presidency has become way more of a powerful position (both in reality and by perception) than it used to be, and voters act differently in presidential elections. I too have zero trust that traditionally republican voters who say they hate trump will stay home or vote against him. First, the fact that they are still staunchly republican means they have some love of cruelty and dislike for "others" and I feel are overstating their dislike of trump. The numbers are still astonishing to me that a vile hateful incompetent criminal of a human is the overwhelming choice of a major political party. That alone is alarming.

But more importantly, I just see way too many wedge issues prevail on the right. These people, even if they truly do not like trump, will almost certainly fall for the wedge issue of the day. Trump may be a bad guy, but the other side are socialists/baby killers/queer lovers/facists (because covid restrictions)/traitors (because of all these Mexicans). It's gonna happen. I also don't trust that the youths will save us. It was supposed to start happening at least a decade ago and yet we got the most despicable person ever elected (even missteps by Clinton should not have made it even close). And we're already seeing that young liberals are demanding idealogical purity (Gaza being a massive hotbutton for them), and others (males in particular) are falling for the incel "fuck everyone" mindset at way too high a clip. 

I do still think that Biden will win, but it won't be by much more than 2020, and we're guaranteed that the orange baby will act out again as will his worshipers. 

there's a large group of americans who have identified as (r) for a long time, probably because their parents were, and have been so turned off by politics (ironically, because of people like trump), that they are purposely disinterested and disengaged.  so when they vote (r), they don't even have to hold their nose.  they purposely don't follow it, they don't talk politics with their friends, they distract themselves with family, kids, reality tv, whatever, and haven't paid attention in 10-15+ years.

there's no possible way 75mm people know what trump is all about and are like, cool, i'll pick him.  no fucking way.

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12 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

Polling issues causing some angst and a potential Biden health scare aside, am I the only one who feels like this isn't going to be particularly close? I don't think Trump can count on all of these people switching to him in the General. Meanwhile, he's out of money and the RNC is out of money to really do much about it. 

I feel the same way.  At this point, we just need the calendar to get shorter / election get closer without anything crazy happening that is negative for the dems. 

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Trump really needs Truth Social to succeed, but it also can’t survive without him.

But as the RNC and his campaign hurt for money more and more, I wonder if he’ll get back on Twitter to get more of a reach for no cost (other than Truth Social’s value).

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

there's no possible way 75mm people know what trump is all about and are like, cool, i'll pick him.  no fucking way.

I’m pretty sure it is possible my dude. A ton of people in this country are fucking awful people. I didn’t believe it until 2020 when he GAINED votes. 

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6 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

poll after poll say its going to be close at best. we live in a world where the very worst person on planet earth would start with 150 EVs just because of the D and R.  this cheering circle we have here is a little too effective for our own good.

Polls are a lot like the debates—unnecessary and out of date considering how society has progressed with technology.

The problem is these polls give way for trump to scream “FRAUD” if he loses because 40% if our country can’t understand why most polls are flawed considering how they are conducted. 

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1 hour ago, Underdog said:

One person he can’t free is Ashli Babbitt, aka Dead Traitor! 

Ashli can still be resurrected if Mike Pence has the courage to pray right.  And hide the eggs

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9 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

there's a large group of americans who have identified as (r) for a long time, probably because their parents were, and have been so turned off by politics (ironically, because of people like trump), that they are purposely disinterested and disengaged.  so when they vote (r), they don't even have to hold their nose.  they purposely don't follow it, they don't talk politics with their friends, they distract themselves with family, kids, reality tv, whatever, and haven't paid attention in 10-15+ years.

there's no possible way 75mm people know what trump is all about and are like, cool, i'll pick him.  no fucking way.

Trump got like 75MM votes in 2020 and probably isn't going to shed a ton of support.

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18 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I think of it as a reverse Mao policy. (In China, the government says that the praise to criticism ratio for Mao should be 70:30). I think Reagan was 70 percent demon (terrible on the environment, destroyed the mental health system, deregulated and cut taxes to favor the wealthy, was probably the worst president ever for unions and labor, appointed Scalia, Nancy's "Just Say No" bullshit and the "war on drugs", he destabilized Central America, and he was behind the Iran-Contra scandal, he also supported a federal ban on abortion), 30 percent decent (immigration amnesty, seemed to be a public servant rather than a grifter).

Honestly 30:70 is the wrong ratio for Reagan. Probably closer to 10:90, if that.

Point of order, the destruction of the mental health system, which mostly occurred at the state level, was well underway long before Reagan. And it is as much the fault of civil libertarians, ie libruls, as fiscal conservatives. 

He gets a bad rap on that. 

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From this morning's Politico newsletter email.  Lots of this are probably known to many of you, but seeing it all lined up all neat and tidy...well, it just warms your heart on this fine March morning:

 

Spoiler

TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART I — The big takeaway from last night’s FEC deadline? JOE BIDEN has a major fundraising advantage over DONALD TRUMP.

In February:

  • Biden’s campaign raised $21.3 million. Cash on hand: $71 million.
  • Trump’s campaign raised $10.9 million. Cash on hand: $33.5 million.
  • The Democratic National Committee raised $16.6 million. Cash on hand: $26.5 million.
  • The Republican National Committee raised $10.7 million. Cash on hand: $11.3 million.

For those of you who aren’t math majors, the combined sums of Biden and the DNC more than doubled the combined sums of Trump and the RNC. (Those totals don’t include either side’s joint fundraising committees or super PACs.) More from Elena Schneider, Jessica Piper And Zach Montellaro

TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART II — Trump’s leadership PAC, Save America, spent another $5.6 million on legal expenses in February, and was “kept afloat” by a $5 million refund from MAGA Inc., a pro-Trump super PAC, Jessica Piper, Natalie Allison and Zach Montellaro write. MAGA Inc. “has now sent more than $50 million to Save America since last year to help cover Trump’s many legal costs,” and there are serious doubts about how much longer it can afford to do that.

TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART III — The RNC raised $10.6 million last month, a total that is “unlikely to help the party cut into Democrats’ massive fundraising advantage heading into the general election campaign,” our colleagues Natalie Allison and Jessica Piper report. (It has $11.3 million cash on hand — less than the $11.5 million NIKKI HALEY’s now-defunct campaign had in the bank at the end of February.)

TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART IV — “As Donald Trump faces dwindling options to pay off a massive fine imposed as a result of losing a fraud case in New York, financial experts say filing for bankruptcy would provide one clear way out of his financial jam. But Trump is not considering that approach, partially out of concern that it could damage his campaign,” WaPo’s Jonathan O'Connell and Josh Dawsey report.

 

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3 hours ago, Pancho said:

Polls are a lot like the debates—unnecessary and out of date considering how society has progressed with technology.

The problem is these polls give way for trump to scream “FRAUD” if he loses because 40% if our country can’t understand why most polls are flawed considering how they are conducted. 

Counterpoint--Trump pointed to how the polls all favored Hillary when he won, and how wrong and out of touch they were.  But yeah, he'll now use the polls to scream "FRAUD," because it's all he's got.    

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25 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Bullshit.  Right now we have a neighbor dealing with an adult daughter with tremendous mental difficulty and there is literally no where for her to go.  Specifically blaming Reagan may not be entirely right, but he and his ilk, and their cost cutting no government services platform are to blame for this sort of thing.  He was the ring leader of this movement that found power and his doctrines have guided us to where we are today. Trickle down economics and tax cuts for the rich have a direct correlation with the suspension of government services, like mental health.  He doesn't get a bad rap, if anything he gets far more of a pass from most Americans.  Fuck him, and fuck that movement.  

Fuckin’ A right, man. ‘Reagan wasn’t as bad as he’s cracked up to be’ is never going to fly. No, he was much worse than the mythology would have you believe. I know, I fell for the illusion at the time. But the results are in. Fuck him and fuck Grover Norquist for perpetuating the myth. 

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13 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

The one thing that could upset the apple cart is as black swan event, like a huge terror attack coordinated by people who had come across the border.

 

 

"Russia, if your listening...."

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Good lord they’re trying so hard to change the optics. 

 

Who the fuck buys Time magazine?  Oh yeah, old people.  

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

From this morning's Politico newsletter email.  Lots of this are probably known to many of you, but seeing it all lined up all neat and tidy...well, it just warms your heart on this fine March morning:

 

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TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART I — The big takeaway from last night’s FEC deadline? JOE BIDEN has a major fundraising advantage over DONALD TRUMP.

In February:

  • Biden’s campaign raised $21.3 million. Cash on hand: $71 million.
  • Trump’s campaign raised $10.9 million. Cash on hand: $33.5 million.
  • The Democratic National Committee raised $16.6 million. Cash on hand: $26.5 million.
  • The Republican National Committee raised $10.7 million. Cash on hand: $11.3 million.

For those of you who aren’t math majors, the combined sums of Biden and the DNC more than doubled the combined sums of Trump and the RNC. (Those totals don’t include either side’s joint fundraising committees or super PACs.) More from Elena Schneider, Jessica Piper And Zach Montellaro

TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART II — Trump’s leadership PAC, Save America, spent another $5.6 million on legal expenses in February, and was “kept afloat” by a $5 million refund from MAGA Inc., a pro-Trump super PAC, Jessica Piper, Natalie Allison and Zach Montellaro write. MAGA Inc. “has now sent more than $50 million to Save America since last year to help cover Trump’s many legal costs,” and there are serious doubts about how much longer it can afford to do that.

TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART III — The RNC raised $10.6 million last month, a total that is “unlikely to help the party cut into Democrats’ massive fundraising advantage heading into the general election campaign,” our colleagues Natalie Allison and Jessica Piper report. (It has $11.3 million cash on hand — less than the $11.5 million NIKKI HALEY’s now-defunct campaign had in the bank at the end of February.)

TRUMP’S MONEY PROBLEMS, PART IV — “As Donald Trump faces dwindling options to pay off a massive fine imposed as a result of losing a fraud case in New York, financial experts say filing for bankruptcy would provide one clear way out of his financial jam. But Trump is not considering that approach, partially out of concern that it could damage his campaign,” WaPo’s Jonathan O'Connell and Josh Dawsey report.

 

He is so fucking stupid. He's literally said before, that declaring bankruptcy is smart. And he wasn't wrong. He's literally used the defense before of his bankruptcies being smart. He could do it again now, and point out it was necessary becuase of the "political witch-hunt" and blah blah blah, and all his voters would believe him. They'd sympathize with him. Fuck, they'd love him more. But he won't do it because of his fucking ego. 

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

He is so fucking stupid. He's literally said before, that declaring bankruptcy is smart. And he wasn't wrong. He's literally used the defence before of his bankruptcies being smart. He could do it again now, and point out it was necessary becuase of the "political witch-hunt" and blah blah blah, and all his voters would believe him. They'd sympathize with him. Fuck, they'd love him more. But he won't do it because of his fucking ego. 

this stuff has made me rethink his post-election behavior.  before i was more focused on him wanting to hold on to power.  now the portion attributable to just having to avoid acknowledging he took an L on something seems bigger.  

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6 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

this stuff has made me rethink his post-election behavior.  before i was more focused on him wanting to hold on to power.  now the portion attributable to just having to avoid acknowledging he took an L on something seems bigger.  

I’d say one big clue that it’s about not being able to accept defeat is the idea that he’s floated that he probably actually won all 50 states if all the rigging could be accurately accounted for.  It’s not enough for him to have won the overall election- he is compelled to need to have won each state election. 

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2 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Right now we have a neighbor dealing with an adult daughter with tremendous mental difficulty and there is literally no where for her to go. 

I’ve been through this, except with a parent, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. 

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1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Who the fuck buys Time magazine?  Oh yeah, old people.  

Well I bought a copy alongside an issue of Hustler 'cause porn is banned in Texas now.  Thanks a lot, Bin Laden! 

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/politics/biden-trump-campaign-contrasts/index.html

(Mentioned it upthread)

  • Since Super Tuesday, Biden has been to every battleground state but one
  • Trump has been to one (Georgia) and held a rally in not competitive red state Ohio (after cancelling a planned rally in Arizona)
  • Biden in the midst of his most grueling in-person campaigning since the 2020 primaries (pre-COVID)
  • Trump is golfing and hanging out at MAL "strategizing" and begging for money
  • Biden has spent a ton of time in PA - Trump has been once in 2024 (NRA convention)
  • Biden and Harris have both been to Wisconsin - Trump hasn't been since August 2022
  • Biden was just in Arizona and twice in the second half of 2023 - Trump hasn't been since October 2022
  • Trump plans to host "rallies" at MAL and Bedminster and force people to come to him

Also:

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biden's approval rating is trending up, and he's closing the gap with trump in general election polls

 

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Republican Proposed Budget 

https://hern.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_budget_including_letter_web_version.pdf

If anyone wants some fun light reading

My favorite section is the Ant-Vaccine section. So when your kid dies of a preventable disease. We all know who to thank


 

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• Rep. Brad Wenstrup’s (R-OH) Foreign Adversary Gain-of-Function Research Prevention Act, which would prohibit the use of federal funds to conduct or support gain-of-function research involving a potential pandemic pathogen by a foreign adversary.

• Rep. Guy Reschenthaler’s (R-PA) Defund EcoHealth Alliance Act, which would prohibit the award of federal funds to EcoHealth Alliance, Inc. and direct the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to audit federal funds provided to that organization over the past decade. EcoHealth Alliance is the nonprofit research center that partners with the Wuhan Institute of Virology to study coronaviruses and whose research may have been responsible for the outbreak of COVID-19. 36

• Rep. Chip Roy’s (R-TX) ARTICLE ONE Act, which would terminate any national emergency made by the executive branch after 30 days. The emergency declaration could only continue through an affirmative vote of Congress.

• Rep. Brad Wenstrup’s (R-OH) Stop Vaccine Mandates Act, which would permanently block President Biden’s unlawful COVID-19 vaccine mandate for federal workers.

• Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer’s (R-KY) Fairness for Federal Contractors Act, which would prevent employees of federal contractors from being forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine.

• RSC Budget and Spending Task Force Chairman Ben Cline’s (R-VA) Stop Arduous Vaccine Enforcement (SAVE Act), which would prohibit organ transplant centers from engaging in the cruel practice of denying unvaccinated Americans access to life-saving organ transplants.

• Rep Andy Biggs (R-AZ) No Vaccine Passports Act, which would prohibit federal agencies from issuing vaccine passports to their employees.

• Rep. Doug LaMalfa’s (R-CA) Keep Vaccines Voluntary Act, which would require entities receiving COVID-19 relief funds to certify that they will not discriminate or deny access to services to unvaccinated Americans. • Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) legislation to prohibit entities receiving COVID-19 relief funds from mandating COVID vaccines for their employees.

• Rep. Diana Harshbarger’s (R-TN) Natural Immunity is Real Act, which would require federal agencies to include natural immunity acquired from prior COVID-19 infections when issuing rules and regulations surrounding COVID-19.

• Rep. Ronny Jackson’s (R-TX) FREEDOM Act, which would require federal agencies to document the consequences of requiring their employees to be vaccinated. • Rep. Michael Cloud’s (R-TX) resolution disapproving of requiring children as young as 11 residing in Washington D.C. to be vaccinated.

• Rep. Ralph Norman’s (R-SC) Protecting Religious Students from Vaccine Mandates Act, which would require U.S. colleges and universities receiving federal funds to allow students to apply for religious exemptions from COVID-19 vaccine mandates on campus.

• Rep. Dan Bishop’s (R-NC) AMERICANS Act, which would immediately rescind the COVID-19 military vaccine mandate.

• Rep. Ralph Norman’s (R-SC) legislation barring the Department of Defense from requiring individuals to wear masks on U.S. military installations.

• Rep. Chip Roy’s (R-TX) Coronavirus Regulatory Repeal Act, which would permanently rescind the federal regulations suspended during the pandemic.

• Rep. Claudia Tenney’s (R-NY) Transparency in COVID-19 Expenditures Act, which would require the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to audit and report on spending authorized by pandemic related legislation. This would include the more than $100 billion in taxpayer dollars appropriated through COVID relief bills stolen by fraudsters.37

• Rep. Chris Stewart’s (R-UT) No Mask Mandate for Kids Act, which would prohibit the executive branch from imposing mask requirements in airports, on commercial aircraft, trains, public maritime vessels, intercity bus services, and all forms of public transportation.

• Rep. Claudia Tenney’s (R-NY) Ending COVID Vaccine Mandates for Colleges and Universities Act, which would prohibit an institution of higher education (IHE) from receiving federal funds or participating in federal higher education programs if the IHE imposes a COVID-19 vaccine mandate.

• Rep. Chip Roy’s (R-TX) HHS COVID-19 Origin Transparency Act, which would require HHS to publish all information pertaining to the origins of COVID-19. • Rep. Anna Paulina Luna’s (R-FL) Terminate CDC Overreach Act, which would amend Title III of the Public Health Service Act to limit the CDC’s ability to impose regulations as a means to control infectious diseases. This bill is designed to limit the scope of regulations to specific areas of outbreak, not regulating whole industries or activities—similar to the CDC’s COVID-19 eviction moratorium.

Finally, the RSC Budget supports two bills from Oversight and Accountability Committee Chairman James Comer (R-KY) that would roll back executive authority abused during the COVID-19 pandemic. First, the Stopping Home Office Work's Unproductive Problems (SHOW UP) Act would require each executive agency to reinstate the telework policies that were in place on December 31, 2019. Under the bill, agencies would be prohibited from implementing expanded telework policies unless the Office of Personnel Management certifies that such policies, among other requirements, will have a positive effect on the agency's mission and operational costs. Second, the Protecting Speech from Government Interference Act, which would prohibit federal employees from censoring speech in their official capacity. Employees would be subject to disciplinary action and/or civil penalties for censorship. The Missouri v. Biden case exposed how the Biden administration used agencies, such as the CDC, FBI, and CISA, to collaborate with social media companies and censor opinions on COVID-19 that differed from the administration’s preferred stance.38 Chairman Comer’s bill would prevent federal officials from engaging in censorship in the future

 

 

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