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I have zero expectation of Joe still having the job at the end of the next term. I'm sure most people don't. I also think it should be easy to make the case to undecided voters why that doesn't matter and Joe doesn't have to be the one to make that case. 

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7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

It’s the fact that stuff keeps getting leaked. Drip drip drip. Schiff says step down. Drip drip drip. Details of phone call leaked. Drip drip drip. It either has to be 100% effort to unite behind him or 100% to replace him. 
 

cool cool. Urgent care sending me to the ER. Fuck my life. 

Agree. Hope you feel better. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Not to mention, no offense to us, what the average voter thinks.  *We* are not average voters - we are highly educated and informed.  We are following everything to the minute.

There's a reason campaigns don't gear up big time until Labor Day - the average voter is not paying attention, still. 

Think Tim Robinson GIF by NETFLIX

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5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I think Schiff is terrified of what Trump getting back in the Oval Office could mean for him. Trump will definitely come after him. 

Good. They should all be terrified. Appropriate fear. Act like it.

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7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

It’s the fact that stuff keeps getting leaked. Drip drip drip. Schiff says step down. Drip drip drip. Details of phone call leaked. Drip drip drip. It either has to be 100% effort to unite behind him or 100% to replace him. 
 

cool cool. Urgent care sending me to the ER. Fuck my life. 

Have you considered that this campaign to sideline Biden does not actually erode his electoral support in case he remains the nominee?  Maybe polling will show dips but I don't think it will be persistent.  I don't think people are thinking to switch to Trump or staying home or motivating MAGA turnout based on this movement turning public.

If this is at all stress related I'd suggest stop watching news channels and try to get some more time outdoors.  Hope you are fine.  Best wishes.

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9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I think Schiff is terrified of what Trump getting back in the Oval Office could mean for him. Trump will definitely come after him. 

I think Schiff’s senate office should be moved to the darkest part of Alaska and he should be forced to give a proxy to Katie Porter to vote when he’s not present.

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5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

90% of Americans have no clue who Wes Moore is. 

At the 2008 Democratic National Convention:

I can’t say for sure if I saw that speech or not but I’ve definitely been aware of Wes Moore since 2010 when he was interviewed on The Colbert Report following the publication of his book The Other Wes Moore. He made quite an impression. 

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Biden is going to be out, so it's time that his campaign accepts it.

Outside of the named advisors to his campaign, I'm unsure that any Dem has endorsed that he remain. Pelosi keeps going on that she's waiting on Biden to make a decision. He's made a decision but it's obvious that she disagrees so she's going to keep asking for him to decide.

When Trump gets his post convention bump, the Dems will panic and Biden will drop out.

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I probably have as many posts as anyone that regularly posts in CR, so I'm obviously a politics pervert, and I had to google him when I saw that poll and had one of those "oh yeah, I think I've heard of him before but know absolutely nothing about him" reactions.

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19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think Schiff’s senate office should be moved to the darkest part of Alaska and he should be forced to give a proxy to Katie Porter to vote when he’s not present.

Pass. She might as well be the one shipping off to Alaska for gifting her seat to the republicans.

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Oh noooooo he's so popular now!?

Just stay on message and stop being whiners and the orange one loses again

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...and 538's current electoral update

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There's time

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Just now, texasdago said:

Oh noooooo he's so popular now!?

Just stay on message and stop being whiners and the orange one loses again

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...and 538's current electoral update

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There's time

I still think he was never not popular. I think there's valid concern over his ability to do the job. The debate was really really bad. He's had some meh interviews since then but nothing approaching the debate performance. If that was the par expectation from Biden I think this would be different he's proven multiple times since then that it was clearly a very bad night and very bad nights aren't common. 

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

So now we're trusting polls?

There's polls all over the place.  I'm saying there is no overwhelming evidence that its going to be a Trump landslide and that everyone is tying themselves up in knots when they should stay on message and focus.  Trump, Vance, Project 2025 and the usual clowshow have given us all we need.  Now the DNC needs to snap out of it and be on point with the message and Biden wins.

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Also, he hasn't done a lick to make himself more likeable since the attempt.  He's tried to garner sympathy from his base by sticking a Barbie Dollhouse pillow on his ear.  Otherwise, he's the same dude with the same group of sycophants and he picked an unlikeable sycophant as his VP pick.

 

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5 minutes ago, texasdago said:

There's polls all over the place.  I'm saying there is no overwhelming evidence that its going to be a Trump landslide and that everyone is tying themselves up in knots when they should stay on message and focus.  Trump, Vance, Project 2025 and the usual clowshow have given us all we need.  Now the DNC needs to snap out of it and be on point with the message and Biden wins.

I don't disagree with you. And I'm not even being critical of your post. Just the idea that "polls are shit" has permeated this thread for years now, and after several disasterous situations that all appear very bad for Biden, the idea of clinging to them as a reason that the room is not in fact on fire, and we are in fact fine, seems tenusous. 

At this point, I don't think any outcome of this election should suprise anyone, including a convincing Biden win, a no one gets to 270 count (somehow), all the way to a massive Trump victory. We can all find reasons for any of those outcomes that will make sense in retrospect. 

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9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

At this point, I don't think any outcome of this election should suprise anyone, including a convincing Biden win, a no one gets to 270 count (somehow), all the way to a massive Trump victory. We can all find reasons for any of those outcomes that will make sense in retrospect. 

Yup.  Which is why I think its insane people are automatically thinking it is the "Trump wins in a massive landslide" outcome without all signs pointing to it.  His base may turn out but there are more Nikky Haley republicans saying they're not voting Trump and others saying they'd rather stay home.  Biden is not immune to the same issues.

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As everyone loves to point out, Trump over performed his polling, mostly due to GOP non-response bias. Considering everyone thought he’d lose in 2016 and in 2020, only Dems obeyed stay at home orders and GOP didn’t answer the phone. 

I fail to see why there aren’t as many articles about Dem non-response bias as we were subjected to the last 2 cycles. Oh wait no, it’s bc the media doesn’t care and the pundits like when things confirm their beliefs 

Ain't many Dems happy to answer the phone and texts about Biden right now.  But they'll come home in the end.  This feels a lot like Access Hollywood 2016, but in July.

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I believe there is a certain resident board idiot that keeps running his mouth about Project 25 being on the fringe and not the actual policy of Trump. 

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Now being seen at ER. At least I’m not in the waiting triage area. Cool. Getting an IV. 
 

so we went from Biden saying only the Lord could get him to leave race.

then it was if he was shown he couldn’t win. 
 

now with BET interview:

If I had some medical condition that emerged, if somebody, if doctors came to me and said, you got this problem and that problem,' Biden said in an interview with BET news.

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3 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

I believe there is a certain resident board idiot that keeps running his mouth about Project 25 being on the fringe and not the actual policy of Trump. 

Bill O'Rielly posts here?

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3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Now being seen at ER. At least I’m not in the waiting triage area. Cool. Getting an IV. 
 

so we went from Biden saying only the Lord could get him to leave race.

then it was if he was shown he couldn’t win. 
 

now with BET interview:

If I had some medical condition that emerged, if somebody, if doctors came to me and said, you got this problem and that problem,' Biden said in an interview with BET news.

Get off the internet, please.

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Looks at these pathetic losers. I seriously cannot imagine worshiping my preferred political candidate like some star fucker. These people are genuinely sick.

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5 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Definitely not a cult. Also, watch the “Trump Ear Bandages” go on sale too. Only $99.99!

Surprised there hasn't been multiple ones being offered by Lindell, Rudy, etc. to pay off their legal bills. 

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34 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

🤔🤔🤔🤔

 

Don't expect to see an AP poll in the media?  They are reporting it.  Its just that the edited graphic in the tweet buries the lede.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2024-07-17/takeaways-from-ap-norc-poll-showing-majority-of-democrats-want-biden-to-drop-out

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-ap-norc-poll-finds-nearly-two-thirds-of-democrats-want-biden-to-withdraw

https://apnorc.org/projects/most-say-biden-should-withdraw-from-the-presidential-race/

The full graphic, BTW....

 

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20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Get off the internet, please.

NYTimes has an article about the interview. There's actually some significant news in there, like, Biden admitting he really was only going to serve one term.

Biden Says He’d Consider Dropping Out if a ‘Medical Condition’ Emerged
President Biden has said none of his doctors have told him he has a serious medical condition. But his debate performance last month raised questions about his health and acuity.

President Biden said in an interview released on Wednesday that he would re-evaluate whether to stay in the presidential race if a doctor told him directly that he had a medical condition that made that necessary.

Mr. Biden has said repeatedly that none of his doctors have told him he has a serious medical condition. Dr. Kevin O’Connor, the White House physician, wrote after the president’s physical in February that Mr. Biden is “a healthy, active, robust, 81-year-old male who remains fit to successfully execute the duties of the presidency.”

But his disastrous performance at a debate with former President Donald J. Trump last month, which prompted a wave of calls by Democratic allies to step aside, raised questions about his health and acuity.

In an interview with Ed Gordon of BET News, Mr. Biden was asked if there was anything that would make him re-evaluate staying in the race.

“If I had some medical condition that emerged, if somebody, if doctors came to me and said, you got this problem and that problem,” Mr. Biden said, according to a brief excerpt released by the network.

The comment is the latest in a series of shifting explanations by the president about what might cause him to reconsider. In an interview with ABC News this month, Mr. Biden said he would drop out only if the “Lord almighty” told him to. At a news conference in Washington several days later, he said he would stay in the race unless aides came to him with proof that he could never win.

In the BET interview, he conceded that he “made a serious mistake in the whole debate” and would re-evaluate his decision if one of his doctors changed their assessment of him.

Mr. Biden also said for the first time that he had expected to “move on” from the presidency and “pass it on to somebody else” but decided to run again because he believed his “wisdom” and experience would help heal the country’s worsening divisions.

“You may remember Ed, I said I was going to be a transitional candidate, and I thought I would be able to move on from this and pass it on to somebody else,” the president said. “But I didn’t anticipate things getting so, so, so divided. And quite frankly, I think the only thing age brings is a little bit of wisdom.”

It is the most explicit that Mr. Biden has been in suggesting that he considered serving only one term in office when he ran in 2020. At the time, he said he would be a transitional candidate who could serve as a bridge to a new generation of political leaders in the party.

That was widely seen at the time by many Democrats as Mr. Biden — the oldest person elected to the White House — hinting that he would pass the torch to Vice President Kamala Harris to run in the 2024 election.

But the president’s political advisers have said that the bridge was an eight-year span, and that his re-election to a second term would simply be a longer transition to the new generation than some had expected.

Now, with his comments in the BET interview, Mr. Biden indicated that he had initially expected to serve one term but changed his mind.

“I think I’ve demonstrated that I know how to get things done for the country in spite of the fact that we were told we couldn’t get it done,” Mr. Biden told Mr. Gordon. “But there’s more to do, and I’m reluctant to walk away from that.”

The full interview is scheduled to air at 10 p.m. Eastern.

The president said something similar during a news conference in Washington this month, when a reporter asked what changed from the time he promised to be a bridge candidate.

“What changed was the gravity of the situation,” Mr. Biden said. “What I realized was, my long time in the Senate had equipped me to have the wisdom to know how to deal with the Congress to get things done. We got more major legislation passed that no one thought would happen. And I want to finish — to get that finished.”

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41 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

I believe there is a certain resident board idiot that keeps running his mouth about Project 25 being on the fringe and not the actual policy of Trump. 

So 100,000 Americans will lose their jobs and 50,000 will as well unless they bend the knee and promise total loyalty to Trump. THE CHAMPION OF THE PEOPLE! And if you vote for this guy and shit you normally rely stops being so reliable, that's on your stupid fucking ass for falling for this bullshit. 

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7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

NYTimes has an article about the interview. There's actually some significant news in there, like, Biden admitting he really was only going to serve one term.

 

I think he would have if the GOP didn't just bow to Trump, yet again. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I think he would have if the GOP didn't just bow to Trump, yet again. 

That's generally been my operating assumption. Once it was clear that Trump was running again, Biden decided to do the same.

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16 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Don’t forget people who can’t back the loans they agreed to.  

You mean like EIDL and PPP loans?  As I am sure that is what you are talking about.

"The theft was massive in scale. The U.S. Small Business Administration inspector general estimates $136 billion in fraud from the EIDL and $64 billion in fraud from the PPP. For FPUC, the U.S. Government Accountability Office estimates more than $100 billion in fraud"

https://www.sba.gov/document/report-23-09-covid-19-pandemic-eidl-ppp-loan-fraud-landscape

 

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

So 100,000 Americans will lose their jobs

Here's an important part of that plan: 100,000 people will lose their jobs.  Government activities that people depend on (processing applications, payments, passport renewals, etc.) will get bogged down, lost in the shuffle, or will even completely fall apart.  And then the GQP will jump up again to say "see!  Government can't do anything right!  We need to outsource all of those functions to the private sector!  And what do you know, one of our largest donors has started a business called "Process your Passport for 3X the Price, Inc.," and he's ready to step in and fix things!"

PJ O'Rourke was spot-on: "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." 

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Here's an important part of that plan: 100,000 people will lose their jobs.  Government activities that people depend on (processing applications, payments, passport renewals, etc.) will get bogged down, lost in the shuffle, or will even completely fall apart.  And then the GQP will jump up again to say "see!  Government can't do anything right!  We need to outsource all of those functions to the private sector!  And what do you know, one of our largest donors has started a business called "Process your Passport for 3X the Price, Inc.," and he's ready to step in and fix things!"

PJ O'Rourke was spot-on: "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." 

All you have to do is look at the fire that the Texas GOP arsonists set to public education and the way they are trying to act like they are the firefighters with bullshit vouchers.

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7 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

You mean like EIDL and PPP loans?  As I am sure that is what you are talking about.

"The theft was massive in scale. The U.S. Small Business Administration inspector general estimates $136 billion in fraud from the EIDL and $64 billion in fraud from the PPP. For FPUC, the U.S. Government Accountability Office estimates more than $100 billion in fraud"

https://www.sba.gov/document/report-23-09-covid-19-pandemic-eidl-ppp-loan-fraud-landscape

 

Did they just decide that wasn’t worth pursuing? I always wondered why the rampant fraud of PPP was never dealt with. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

Did they just decide that wasn’t worth pursuing? I always wondered why the rampant fraud of PPP was never dealt with. 

Probably the same reason Trump has said he won't release the Epstein files because they could hurt a lot of good people.

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

Did they just decide that wasn’t worth pursuing? I always wondered why the rampant fraud of PPP was never dealt with. 

I'm pretty sure I've heard about some prosecutions, but probably not nearly enough.

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

At the 2008 Democratic National Convention:

I can’t say for sure if I saw that speech or not but I’ve definitely been aware of Wes Moore since 2010 when he was interviewed on The Colbert Report following the publication of his book The Other Wes Moore. He made quite an impression. 

No Wes, no more.

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55 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Definitely not a cult. Also, watch the “Trump Ear Bandages” go on sale too. Only $99.99!

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Just relabel the box. 

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18 minutes ago, immamac said:

Did they just decide that wasn’t worth pursuing? I always wondered why the rampant fraud of PPP was never dealt with. 

Because it was the rich.

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2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Pelosi keeps going on that she's waiting on Biden to make a decision. He's made a decision but it's obvious that she disagrees so she's going to keep asking for him to decide.

When Trump gets his post convention bump, the Dems will panic and Biden will drop out.

One has to remember that Schiff is a Pelosi protege.  It's impossible to imagine that he would make this move without her express approval.

And if that means that Nancy Pelosi is whipping pressure to get Biden out of the race--and I suspect it does--then Biden is done.  Because there is no person better at whipping Democratic votes than Nancy Pelosi.

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