Elon Musk: Officially a fraud and piece of shit. Official or unofficial war criminal?

[Hank Kingsley 19819]

 

[NoName 16196]

21 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Polestar 2 - Small company, slower than the M3, doesn't have Sentry or dog mode. I also think they're ugly. Here's a few more things about it that suck: 

"Visibility is terrible. The view from the rearview mirror is awful and you can only see a small sliver of back glass. The front view is about like a normal sedan and not nearly as open as the M3. The interface is no intuitive and hard to find basic settings. Cruise control only works in increments of 5mph and temperature can only be set to even numbers. There is a large hump in the rear middle seating area that makes is uncomfortable for anyone riding in that position. The center console area is bulky and not well thought out. Acceleration feels sluggish compared to the M3. The quality of the interior seems cheap (cloth seats and easily scratched up plastic). Quality/Resolution of the cameras is not great (definitely not high definition). There is a 360 degree view, but it looks like crap."

VW ID4 - Small, ugly and slow as shit. Looks and drives like a minivan. 

Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 - Ewww, it's still a Hyundai. Styling is also odd compared to the M3. 

Mustang Mach-E - Ugly hatchback that's costs more than M3 to get the performance, where do I sign? 

Mercedes, Audi, BMW and Volvo aren’t far off in their pricing - They are 10-15k more for the performance models. 

 

I haven't bothered checking, but it's likely most if not all of the above don't save all your settings for the entire car in an app so you can have it setup exactly the same in any car. Their cars might suck, but the Tesla app is unquestionably the best car app. 

Same with the dog, remote camera, and dashcam recording modes. I'm sure a few of them have something similar, but not quite the same level. 

Also, heated and ventilated front seats with a touchscreen for the rear passengers. 

if someone is buying an EV based on design, they are doing it wrong. if they are buying a Tesla EV because of design, well they are as dumb as the folks buying it for it's reliability.

also someone complaining about a cheap interior while championing Tesla?

and just because i want to dunk on the guy who was talking about reliability, here are the consumer reports reliability #s for the mentioned cars

• Polestar: not sufficient data
• VW ID4: 29
• Ioniq 6: 70
• Mustang Mach E: 45
• BMW i4: 60
• AUdi Q4 e-tron: 48
• Audi Q8 e-tron: 41
• Mercedes EQS: 20

vs Tesla

• Tesla Model 3: 47
• Tesla Model Y:41
• Tesla Model S: 30
• Tesla Model X: 27

[NoName 16196]

 

34 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Imagine being this unfunny. 

 

imagine finding a way to make his own bad joke even less funny...

saw this link too, like the 5th comment down is INCREDIBLE (2nd SS)

well...TECHNICALLY

 

[Ted Lange 15819]

7 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

imagine finding a way to make his own bad joke even less funny...

saw this link too, like the 5th comment down is INCREDIBLE (2nd SS)

well...TECHNICALLY

 

We need a meme stronger than the billionaire defended one for this.  JFC 

[Captainant 26861]

9 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

imagine finding a way to make his own bad joke even less funny...

saw this link too, like the 5th comment down is INCREDIBLE (2nd SS)

well...TECHNICALLY

 

What's crazy to me about all these fucked up cybertruck deliveries is that we have "Lemon Laws" on the books that should give the owners some recourse, but the cult of personality for elmo and TSLA is too stronk

[Brisketexan 103139]

What's crazy to me about all these fucked up cybertruck deliveries is that we have "Lemon Laws" on the books that should give the owners some recourse, but the cult of personality for elmo and TSLA is too stronk

“Cybertruck: the ‘not working’ tells you it’s working!”

[Pam Cummings 9409]

Isn't a truck supposed to have a truck bed? You know, for hauling shit? Because that's why people buy trucks?

[royiv 9043]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

Isn't a truck supposed to have a truck bed? You know, for hauling shit? Because that's why people buy trucks?

It’s where you keep your aftermarket spare tire that you paid $1,250 for.

[Brisketexan 103139]

Isn't a truck supposed to have a truck bed? You know, for hauling shit? Because that's why people buy trucks?

What??? Look at it - do you not EXTREME HARDCORE, bro?

[Captain Ron 12691]

22 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Polestar 2 - Small company, slower than the M3, doesn't have Sentry or dog mode. I also think they're ugly. Here's a few more things about it that suck: 

"Visibility is terrible. The view from the rearview mirror is awful and you can only see a small sliver of back glass. ...

I know this was all just a troll job, but ...

You're going to bitch about visibility out the back of any car, yet this is the Cybertruck ... just saying.

26 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

 

[Captain Ron 12691]

29 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

imagine finding a way to make his own bad joke even less funny...

 

[HenryJames 64901]

57 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

CDE (cjis.gov)

Thirteen were felonious and ten were accidental as of 03/28. Like the dipshit who drove his car into a lake with a handcuffed woman in the backseat. 

[BurntOrange&White 38710]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Do people not realize how racist white people from South Africa are?

[BurntOrange&White 38710]

27 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Isn't a truck supposed to have a truck bed? You know, for hauling shit? Because that's why people buy trucks?

A truck should be able to navigate muddy areas too but this thing is too damn heavy.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

Isn't a truck supposed to have a truck bed? You know, for hauling shit? Because that's why people buy trucks?

It has one. It's where the cyber-alpha-males keep their boxes of condoms because they know they're going to get laid, driving a cyber truck and all standing by the side of the road waiting for the tow.

[SimonBolivar 10648]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Do people not realize how racist white people from South Africa are?

Well, anyone that posts on any of the iterations of this site sure does.

Edited April 1 by SimonBolivar

[HenryJames 64901]

[Brisketexan 103139]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

This guy's idea of an "incredible dress".....

[C-Man 26535]

Tesla could be the most bestest auto-maker in all of the world (it's not) and I still wouldn't buy one because a colossal piece of shit owns the company. It could have Margot Robbie-sucks-me-off-while-I-drive-mode and I'm still not interested. (Well, maybe I am. A little.)

[totallynotabuttpirate 5294]

Alright you cunts, I'm going to test drive the Mach-E GT since I haven't done it yet. It better not handle like all the other crossovers I've driven over the last 2 months (like a fucking boat). Well except for the Macan, but that's more than I'd like to spend. 

Basically, my fav car to drive by a mile was the highland Hodel 3 LR with the performance upgrade. The lack of radar on the M3 does piss me off tho, just stupid. 

I should add that this isn't my only car would just be my daily driver around town. So reliability is nice, but as long as there's a good warranty, I don't really care.

Edited April 1 by totallynotabuttpirate

[texasdago 7376]

You know... its amazing.  What I've figured out in the past few days is this...

My 6-year old Alfa Romeo's reliability > Brand new Cybetruck reliability

Basically no problems on my Alfa vs Elon's rolling Dyson Hand Dryer

Grazie, Elon 

[Pato del Muerto 51913]

17 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Alfa Romeo's reliability >

Has this ever been typed before?  Maybe with Land Rover on the other end?

Edited April 1 by Pato del Muerto
Or any other British manufacturer really

[C-Man 26535]

14 minutes ago, texasdago said:

You know... its amazing.  What I've figured out in the past few days is this...

My 6-year old Alfa Romeo's reliability > Brand new Cybetruck reliability

Basically no problems on my Alfa vs Elon's rolling Dyson Hand Dryer

Grazie, Elon 

Username checks out

[texasdago 7376]

11 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Has this ever been typed before?  Maybe with Land Rover on the other end?

Maybe Lotus?  But for real, its kind of funny... my Alfa has been great and it doesn't draw snickers and laughs like the Incel Camino

[Blotto 23226]

Theory checks out

 

On 3/29/2024 at 2:32 PM, Nivek said:

Being in Houston, the suspension gets a workout here that say cars in other parts of the country do not get.

So your mom lives in Houston, huh?

[Parliament 13979]

48 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

I've stared at fat chicks wearing bikinis, and I think it's more like what you're experiencing.

[A-Tex Devil 2405]

21 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

I have no idea why you guys are so tough on Elon, he's just asking questions trying to get to the truth.  

I presumed this was a sarcastic post.  Whoops. 

[SimonBolivar 10648]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

[totallynotabuttpirate 5294]

2 hours ago, A-Tex Devil said:

I presumed this was a sarcastic post.  Whoops. 

Ummm yea..... of course it was. Point is not everyone who buys a Tesla is a Maga idiot. The lack of QC/radar and other proper shit, is now priced into the Model 3 and Y and it's tough to beat them on price. 

Edited April 1 by totallynotabuttpirate

[ultimaton 2926]

5 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Imagine being this unfunny. 

 

he almost certainly stole that "joke" from someone, too

[HenryJames 64901]

Would-be Tesla buyers snub company as Musk's reputation dips

Spoiler

 

Hyunjoo JinApril 1, 202412:31 PM CDTUpdated 2 hours ago

SAN FRANCISCO/LONDON, April 1 (Reuters) - The ranks of would-be Tesla buyers in the United States are shrinking, according to a survey by market intelligence firm Caliber, which attributed the drop in part to CEO Elon Musk's polarizing persona.

While Tesla continued to post strong sales growth last year, helped by aggressive price cuts, the electric-vehicle maker is expected to report weak quarterly salesas early as Tuesday.

Caliber's "consideration score" for Tesla, provided exclusively to Reuters, fell to 31% in February, less than half its high of 70% in November 2021 when it started tracking consumer interest in the brand.

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Tesla's consideration score fell 8 percentage points from January alone even as Caliber's scores for Mercedes (MBGn.DE), BMW (BMWG.DE) and Audi, which produce gas as well as EV models, inched up during that same period, reaching 44-47%.

Tesla did not respond to a request for comment. Musk in the past has blamed high-interest rates for curbing consumer demand for big ticket items like cars.

Caliber cited strong associations between Tesla's reputation and that of Musk for the scores.

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"It's very likely that Musk himself is contributing to the reputational downfall," Caliber CEO Shahar Silbershatz told Reuters, saying his company's survey shows 83% of Americans connect Musk with Tesla.

Reuters spoke to five marketing, polling and car experts who said controversies surrounding Musk's increasingly right-wing politics and public statements are weighing on Tesla's brand and demand.

"It is hard enough to win sales without getting into politics," said Tim Calkins, a marketing professor at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management.

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Economic fears, the lack of affordable new models and rising competition from cheaper rivals like China's BYD have also been cited by Wall Street analysts as putting pressure on Tesla.

Overall electric vehicle sales in the U.S. are forecast to increase 15% in the first quarter of this year, according to estimates by researcher Cox Automotive. Tesla sales are projected to increase by 3%.

"The EV slowdown is shaping up to be a Tesla slowdown," Cox analyst Stephanie Valdez Streaty said during a conference call Thursday.

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New car registrations for Teslas in California- their biggest market in the U.S. - posted their first drop in over three years in the fourth quarter of 2023 even as EV sales rose overall.

At least five analysts cut Tesla's target price last month, saying the automaker could post disappointing first-quarter delivery results. Tesla shares are down nearly 30% year to date.

Musk's outsized personality benefited Tesla as he promoted tackling climate change by reimagining cars as stylish, electric computers on wheels that could beat gasoline guzzlers in looks, performance and handling.

Tesla achieved breakneck annual sales growth for more than a decade.

[1/3]Elon Musk, chief executive officer of SpaceX and Tesla and owner of Twitter, gestures as he attends the Viva Technology conference in Paris, France, June 16, 2023. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes Purchase Licensing Rights

COURTED CONTROVERSY

In recent years, the billionaire courted controversy with comments and actions including his embrace of the Republican party and endorsement of anti-semitic comments on X. Musk has denied being anti-semitic.

When asked by an investor during a January 2023 conference call if his political comments were hurting Tesla's brand and sales, Musk said he was "reasonably popular," referring to his then 127 million followers on X, formerly known as Twitter.

"Whether you hate me, like me or are indifferent, do you want the best car, or do you not want the best car?" Musk said at another event in November.

Brand valuation consultancy Brand Finance found Tesla's reputation fell in 2023 in the United States, the Netherlands, France, United Kingdom, and Australia. Tesla's reputation did not suffer in China, where access to news on the company and its CEO may have been limited, and Germany.

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In the U.S., a survey by consumer analytics firm CivicScience shown exclusively to Reuters found that 42% of respondents had an unfavorable view of Musk in February, up from 34% in April 2022 when Musk disclosed his stake in Twitter.

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"A modest but growing number of EV shoppers are increasingly put off by Elon Musk's behavior and politics and are now finding viable alternatives to Tesla in the marketplace," Ed Kim, president of California-based consultancy AutoPacific said.

That group includes Jonny Page, a London-based consultant who works with climate-focused startups and will purchase an EV this summer. It will not be a Tesla.

Page, 36, said his decision is partly because of concerns over Tesla safety but mostly about Musk's "unhinged" behavior. "I don't want to put a single penny in that man's pockets," Page said.

"I CAN'T GO BACK TO GAS"

Tesla's reputation is still sterling with many.

Market researcher S&P Mobility shows Tesla has the highest loyalty among major car brands, with 68% of owners choosing another Tesla when they bought a new car last year.

Christian Cook, a Tesla Model 3 owner in Texas who identified as leaning right, said Musk's actions made no difference and that he was "becoming numb to the shenanigans."

Kat Beyer, a climate activist in Wisconsin, said she wanted to avoid Tesla because of Musk's support for Republicans, but wound up buying a Model Y last year because of a lack of EVs with reliable charging infrastructure.

"It's hard to drive the car associated with him," Beyer said. "But I can't go back to gas."

 

[royiv 9043]

36 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Ummm yea..... of course it was. Point is not everyone who buys a Tesla is a Maga idiot. The lack of QC/radar and other proper shit, is now priced into the Model 3 and Y and it's tough to beat them on price. 

No shit, but they ARE useful idiots that are indirectly supporting the MAGA agenda by putting money in the pocket of Elon. That’s the point.

[Sawbonz 26735]

5 hours ago, HenryJames said:

CDE (cjis.gov)

Thirteen were felonious and ten were accidental as of 03/28. Like the dipshit who drove his car into a lake with a handcuffed woman in the backseat. 

Any MIs at the burger stand?

[Hank Kingsley 19819]

 

[InkaUtexas 24820]

Yeah seems real smart to be trying to drive and read that screen.

[Da Fino 2654]

17 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Never realized they have those funny shaped steering wheels. Is that how they are selling all of their cars now?

[Captain Ron 12691]

18 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

could be worse, this guy’s FSD demo jumped a curb and cracked his rims  

 

[bolverk 28885]

21 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah seems real smart to be trying to drive and read that screen.

That's something I totally don't get with new cars: the display screens are fucking huge and distracting. There, for a good solid 5 seconds in that clip, the guy was staring at that touchscreen, which I think is a horrible idea in cars, fiddling around with whateverthefuck "mode" he wanted. Personally, I need tactile buttons and knobs that I can feel when driving--I don't care if the damn thing can drive itself.

Hell, I'd even miss my old stick-shift Honda Civic from the 90s, if it weren't for stop-and-go traffic on South Lamar.

[InkaUtexas 24820]

5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That's something I totally don't get with new cars: the display screens are fucking huge and distracting. There, for a good solid 5 seconds in that clip, the guy was staring at that touchscreen, which I think is a horrible idea in cars, fiddling around with whateverthefuck "mode" he wanted. Personally, I need tactile buttons and knobs that I can feel when driving--I don't care if the damn thing can drive itself.

Hell, I'd even miss my old stick-shift Honda Civic from the 90s, if it weren't for stop-and-go traffic on South Lamar.

Yep, I get it in a tactical vehicle, but to go to HEB (when it is open) just is something I do not need. To tell me the car is not working? Nah.

[BearMace 2172]

Seeing M3 being used to refer to a fucking Tesla is rage inducing. 

[choripan 770]

4 hours ago, BearMace said:

Seeing M3 being used to refer to a fucking Tesla is rage inducing. 

It's tough to say which I dislike more. Musk/Tesla or the new M3 brought to you by Bucees.

[totallynotabuttpirate 5294]

 

7 hours ago, royiv said:

No shit, but they ARE useful idiots that are indirectly supporting the MAGA agenda by putting money in the pocket of Elon. That’s the point.

Sick take bro! 

Edited April 2 by totallynotabuttpirate

[totallynotabuttpirate 5294]

So I spent over an hour with a Mach-E GT Performance today and it's a really solid car. Handling is bit better than the MY, but you lose the ground clearance and it still drives like an SUV/Crossover. After $10k of discounts, OTD price was $70K. So ~$17K more than an M3 LR with the $2K performance update (which beats the Mach-E 0-60 time). And the M3 has 70-80 miles more range. 

In summary, fuck no, I'm not spending $17K more for less performance and (mostly) less features. 

Unlike some of you neckbeard fucks, I'm out in the streets actually looking for a car that meets my needs, that's all that matters to me. It's really easy to spend someone else's money, so you can eat all the dicks in the world and I'll buy the car that I want. 

[ConferenceRoom 5956]

[Hank Kingsley 19819]

10 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

So I spent over an hour with a Mach-E GT Performance today and it's a really solid car. Handling is bit better than the MY, but you lose the ground clearance and it still drives like an SUV/Crossover. After $10k of discounts, OTD price was $70K. So ~$17K more than an M3 LR with the $2K performance update (which beats the Mach-E 0-60 time). And the M3 has 70-80 miles more range. 

In summary, fuck no, I'm not spending $17K more for less performance and (mostly) less features. 

Unlike some of you neckbeard fucks, I'm out in the streets actually looking for a car that meets my needs, that's all that matters to me. It's really easy to spend someone else's money, so you can eat all the dicks in the world and I'll buy the car that I want. 

 

[Foosters 17624]

1 hour ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

So I spent over an hour with a Mach-E GT Performance today and it's a really solid car. Handling is bit better than the MY, but you lose the ground clearance and it still drives like an SUV/Crossover. After $10k of discounts, OTD price was $70K. So ~$17K more than an M3 LR with the $2K performance update (which beats the Mach-E 0-60 time). And the M3 has 70-80 miles more range. 

In summary, fuck no, I'm not spending $17K more for less performance and (mostly) less features. 

Unlike some of you neckbeard fucks, I'm out in the streets actually looking for a car that meets my needs, that's all that matters to me. It's really easy to spend someone else's money, so you can eat all the dicks in the world and I'll buy the car that I want. 

Hell yeah! You tell those anonymous internet posters that you're not going to let them run your life!

[NeverMarryAStripper 21765]

So does that mean you actually are a butt pirate?

[Da Fino 2654]

1 hour ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Unlike some of you neckbeard fucks, I'm out in the streets actually looking for a car that meets my needs, that's all that matters to me. It's really easy to spend someone else's money, so you can eat all the dicks in the world and I'll buy the car that I want

It's intimidating to be in the presence of such greatness. 

[aggie08 20210]

4 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So does that mean you actually are a butt pirate?

Nttiawwt. 

C'mon man, a little decorum.

[totallynotabuttpirate 5294]

13 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Hell yeah! You tell those anonymous internet posters that you're not going to let them run your life!

I'm a big boy now, no one is going to tell me what to do!