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41 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

AOC said we won’t be able to outlaw beef, not that we should. She might well have said “outlaw Willfully Horn,” since her point was about flatulence and achieving zero emissions. 

dunno if seaweed will help you, but it works for cattle:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2020/11/27/climate-solutions-seaweed-methane/?arc404=true

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1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

So you can understand my issue?  We’ve got a pretty shitty pool to choose from over on the right at the moment. Not sure it will get any better, anytime soon.  

It will if you Republicans like you didn't espouse dipshittery like you've posted in this thread.

9/11 was a horrific event that unified our country for a short time, even if it provided a convenient excuse for the previous Worst President Ever title-holder to start an illegal war and let OBL off the hook. But that's another discussion...

January 6th, 2021 should have had the same unifying effect. Rather than a long line of Republicans in Congress openly and stridently condemning the ringleaders who fomented the attack on our Capitol and the near-overthrow of democracy, the GOP wants every American to just forget it happened, how it happened, who instigated it, and wants us to all just move on for the sake of unity and bipartisanship. So they can get back to the business of blasting everything Joe Biden. 

We're not going to forget and we're not going to just move on. You are either with us or you are a fucking fascist. 

 

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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

You're a fucking idiot. 

It's worse than that. His party is running all sorts of shit up the flagpole looking for the old magic. He doesn't foolishly believe something. He thoughtfully has embraced his party and whatever he imagines it stands for at its core.

In sticking with insurrectionists because that's his only choice at the moment in order to support pipelines or free business to save us or stop the ebil socialists or whatever mask they're selling, flattie makes his choice about party over country very clear.

Insurrection. Bad for the country. Worse, it's bad for the image of the party. Strategy:

1. We can say it's not really us. Only a few nutjobs. Uh, what, the polls show millions of us support it?

2. AOC is a lying nutjob who is at least as crazy as the radical element of our party who advocate headshots and revolution. Same difference. What? Nobody outside of our reality bubble is buying?

3. The dems are radical socialists who hate freedom and, no matter how bad we tried to overthrow goververnment, they're worse than us!!!!! That usually works! 

Nowhere is there a statement about what is good for the country beyond the lies about caring about the economy and spending. Oh, and loving the flag. Love that flag. You love the flag? I'm not so sure about you.

Is insurrection aroused by a seditious president who doesn't care a thing about the USA bad enough for flattie to rethink his party loyalty? No. He's just here trying the old tricks and hoping they work.

Hate the Dems! Keep hate alive! It gets us votes and rots the fabric of our society.

It's worked. I despise pieces of shit that operate as described above. They're killing my country.

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1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

You don’t make a coherent point, and ignore the comments that try to help you understand that.

But you ain’t gonna learn what you don’t want to know.

i've never seen @workswithseed so perfectly encapsulated. he doesn't want to learn. i think he's naive and ignorant, but there's nothing wrong with naivete and ignorance alongside a willingness to learn. over and over, he seeks out and finds the things that he needs to support his worldview, without just trying to open his eyes to what's actually happening around him.

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the people who try to explain why he can't triple stamp a double stamp are harry, he's lloyd, and the rest of us? we are all the gas man in the middle.

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22 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

It's worse than that. His party is running all sorts of shit up the flagpole looking for the old magic. He doesn't foolishly believe something. He thoughtfully has embraced his party and whatever he imagines it stands for at its core.

In sticking with insurrectionists because that's his only choice at the moment in order to support pipelines or free business to save us or stop the ebil socialists or whatever mask they're selling, flattie makes his choice about party over country very clear.

Insurrection. Bad for the country. Worse, it's bad for the image of the party. Strategy:

1. We can say it's not really us. Only a few nutjobs. Uh, what, the polls show millions of us support it?

2. AOC is a lying nutjob who is at least as crazy as the radical element of our party who advocate headshots and revolution. Same difference. What? Nobody outside of our reality bubble is buying?

3. The dems are radical socialists who hate freedom and, no matter how bad we tried to overthrow goververnment, they're worse than us!!!!! That usually works! 

Nowhere is there a statement about what is good for the country beyond the lies about caring about the economy and spending. Oh, and loving the flag. Love that flag. You love the flag? I'm not so sure about you.

Is insurrection aroused by a seditious president who doesn't care a thing about the USA bad enough for flattie to rethink his party loyalty? No. He's just here trying the old tricks and hoping they work.

Hate the Dems! Keep hate alive! It gets us votes and rots the fabric of our society.

It's worked. I despise pieces of shit that operate as described above. They're killing my country.

One point I agree with that economist Richard D. Wolff makes is that with the destruction and vilification of the Left post WWII: the unions, the attempts to address working class and middle class problems such as low wages, healthcare, job mobility, and so on is that with "no left to turn to, many of the disenchanted with things turn to the right, to fascism. He's been talking about that on his show lately and comparing it to Germany (as some have on here as well). Not the exact same parallels, but similar ones with the working classes for sure and why the GOP is attempting to keep them and why they are learning how to 'do it better' next time. Addressing some of these structural problems helps democracy.

I don't know enough about Wolff to ascribe to his view of economics, but that which he says above I support. Structural inequities and the rage factor (I'll leave out the racism and misogyny for now) fuel a lot of the grievances by those that didn't physically attack the Capitol but were and are there in spirit.

The better off business owners I'm a little perplexed at, because in the long run, these structural institutional changes benefit them in the long run since the corporations can no longer undercut their wages. It is the corporations that keep wages low, not the SBOs. But, in this day and age the only person in the GOP who played the long game was McConnell with his obstruction and judges and that was not for the benefit of the little guy but for his crony corporate friends.

That being said, not all of the 74M are Q people, not all are violent, but until they stop cleaving to the remnants of what their leaders espouse as conservatism, which it is not, they must be lumped together as if of one mind. The reason being is that targeted chemo is only helpful when the cancer is not metastatic. I'm afraid Trumpism is spreading too quickly in that regard.

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The Republicans are projecting.  Like they always do.  They whine and cry and every perceived slight and are fearful of anyone who isn't perfectly polite to them.  See Sarah Sanders not getting served in a restaurant, the guy whose MAGA hat was stolen, and the cop who had to wait for service at the McDonalds drive thru.  After they've yelled and screamed about that stuff, they assume any Democrat who expresses fear or anger has to be overreacting as much as they always do.

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It will if you Republicans like you didn't espouse dipshittery like you've posted in this thread.
9/11 was a horrific event that unified our country for a short time, even if it provided a convenient excuse for the previous Worst President Ever title-holder to start an illegal war and let OBL off the hook. But that's another discussion...
January 6th, 2021 should have had the same unifying effect. Rather than a long line of Republicans in Congress openly and stridently condemning the ringleaders who fomented the attack on our Capitol and the near-overthrow of democracy, the GOP wants every American to just forget it happened, how it happened, who instigated it, and wants us to all just move on for the sake of unity and bipartisanship. So they can get back to the business of blasting everything Joe Biden. 
We're not going to forget and we're not going to just move on. You are either with us or you are a fucking fascist. 
 

Well, they are still trying to investigate Ben Gazi.
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Workswithseed will just disappear for a moment ignore the information and facts and come back later with more stupid moderately easily disproved takes. Same as it ever was.

That is the formula of dipshits. They never listened to the D.OC.

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2 hours ago, elfenix said:

https://uphill.thedispatch.com/p/uphill-aocs-january-6-account

read that instead of playing the jump to conclusions game

Ocasio-Cortez’s office is in the Cannon building. It was publicly reported that afternoon, before the mob had broken into the Capitol, that police officers were sprinting through the hallways of Cannon and going door-to-door to evacuate people because viable pipe bombs had been found nearby. The timing outlined in the congresswoman’s story seems to align with the timing of the Cannon evacuation. 

Near the time the mob breached the U.S. Capitol, she said.

these sentences don't make sense. So now a hour near the time to get away? I'm not plugging my ears, @hayden_horn I'm just seeing something that just doesn't make sense 

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3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Ocasio-Cortez’s office is in the Cannon building. It was publicly reported that afternoon, before the mob had broken into the Capitol, that police officers were sprinting through the hallways of Cannon and going door-to-door to evacuate people because viable pipe bombs had been found nearby. The timing outlined in the congresswoman’s story seems to align with the timing of the Cannon evacuation. 

Near the time the mob breached the U.S. Capitol, she said.

these sentences don't make sense. So now a hour near the time to get away? I'm not plugging my ears, @hayden_horn I'm just seeing something that just doesn't make sense 

gary busey face GIF
 

Swam? Is that you?

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4 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Ocasio-Cortez’s office is in the Cannon building. It was publicly reported that afternoon, before the mob had broken into the Capitol, that police officers were sprinting through the hallways of Cannon and going door-to-door to evacuate people because viable pipe bombs had been found nearby. The timing outlined in the congresswoman’s story seems to align with the timing of the Cannon evacuation. 

Near the time the mob breached the U.S. Capitol, she said.

these sentences don't make sense. So now a hour near the time to get away? I'm not plugging my ears, @hayden_horn I'm just seeing something that just doesn't make sense 

Maybe you can make sense of this.

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1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Ocasio-Cortez’s office is in the Cannon building. It was publicly reported that afternoon, before the mob had broken into the Capitol, that police officers were sprinting through the hallways of Cannon and going door-to-door to evacuate people because viable pipe bombs had been found nearby. The timing outlined in the congresswoman’s story seems to align with the timing of the Cannon evacuation. 

Near the time the mob breached the U.S. Capitol, she said.

these sentences don't make sense. So now a hour near the time to get away? I'm not plugging my ears, @hayden_horn I'm just seeing something that just doesn't make sense 

you're going to have to explain what doesn't make sense. 

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1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

So much hate in yalls hearts.

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I’ll let you back to your playground. 

 

This shouldn't be a you vs us situation, but here we are. It's easier for you to deflect and blame all us big meanies outraged at the attempted overthrow of democracy than it is for you to join us in condemning the seditionist liars in Congress who enabled it. That says more about you than anything you're saying about us.

Do you believe Joe Biden won the election free and fair? Do you believe Donald Trump should be convicted and prevented from ever holding public office again?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gourmand said:

Do you believe Joe Biden won the election free and fair?

Yes. I believe there were some little wompy things, like in every election, but that Joe without a doubt won.  I wish we had a more stable voting situation so calling it into question is a non-starter.  I think it would help everyone. Remember the machines in ‘18 that would only vote straight ticket R?  That’s not good either. 
 

2 hours ago, Gourmand said:

Do you believe Donald Trump should be convicted and prevented from ever holding public office again?

I’d rather he just disappear, because I don’t think he’d do any time. It would be a shit show circus with nothing real coming from it imo.   And by disappear I mean idgaf if he ever shows his face again.  As far as I’m concerned, he changed the political climate in this country forever. He fucked around and lost the senate, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what happens when DC/PR happen.  With the way the Biden admin has started, it looks like the GOP might be done for good. 
 

But it’s looking like he’s got plenty of lackeys that want to hang on and try to bury it completely. So maybe a group of the far left keep going that way, and the center left becomes the new conservatives, that’ll work for me.  I fall center right anyhow.  
 

Yall can continue to kick on me if you want, but I don’t want to fuck up your AOC thread any further. We can move it to somewhere less specific if needed. 

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9 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Yes. I believe there were some little wompy things, like in every election, but that Joe without a doubt won.  I wish we had a more stable voting situation so calling it into question is a non-starter.  I think it would help everyone. Remember the machines in ‘18 that would only vote straight ticket R?  That’s not good either. 
 

I’d rather he just disappear, because I don’t think he’d do any time. It would be a shit show circus with nothing real coming from it imo.   And by disappear I mean idgaf if he ever shows his face again.  As far as I’m concerned, he changed the political climate in this country forever. He fucked around and lost the senate, and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out what happens when DC/PR happen.  With the way the Biden admin has started, it looks like the GOP might be done for good. 
 

But it’s looking like he’s got plenty of lackeys that want to hang on and try to bury it completely. So maybe a group of the far left keep going that way, and the center left becomes the new conservatives, that’ll work for me.  I fall center right anyhow.  
 

Yall can continue to kick on me if you want, but I don’t want to fuck up your AOC thread any further. We can move it to somewhere less specific if needed. 

Thank you for answering the questions.

Back to Ocasio-Cortez; it's easy for the GOP stalwarts to gaslight because--hindsight (they emerged unscathed) and she is alive. But also hindsight, how watching people in militia gear with handcuffs, weapons, and so on and knowing a fundamental point with mobs: they are predictably unpredictable. Meaning that mob mentality is such that people will commit acts that alone they will never undertake and it only takes a second for the violence to tip in favor of bloodshed. As sad as the number of lives lost to this insurrection and the injuries suffered are, how anyone could gaslight it is mind bottling.

Imagine for a second Mike Pence hung on live television, Nancy Pelosi shot, others dead or maimed defending her or others. Those images in history books and videos a century from now.

That is what those mf in the GOP are gaslighting because it didn't end that way but had it ended that way, they were just fine with it. Never forget that American citizens thought that was an acceptable outcome for life in America.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is #bothsides-ing an issue without two sides.  We have a "stable voting system".  You are continuing to add gasoline to the fire, you're just doing it with a squirt gun so you don't feel so bad about it.

Recount after recount after recount . . . zero . . . ZERO . . . nada . . . zed evidence of any fraud or even mildly consequential irregularities.

I think the thing I tire of the most is this bizarre notion that opinions are facts.  No, facts are facts.  You don't get to contradict facts and justify doing so just because you see things differently.  You see things differently because you either have not been trained to set aside bias, or worse, you know you are biased but won't make the effort to seek out the truth.  The truth doesn't matter to you.  It's a flaw in your development, your upbringing, your education.  It's a crying shame.

Bullshit. There have been aberrations in voting for 100 years.  You don’t think there’s anything we can do to improve our system?  What about the machines that have been found that benefit the R’s in the past? Don’t think there’s anything we can do to improve on that?  We have different systems for different states.  It takes weeks to get all the votes in.  That’s fucking stupid and we can manage better than that. 

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Bullshit. There have been aberrations in voting for 100 years.  You don’t think there’s anything we can do to improve our system?  What about the machines that have been found that benefit the R’s in the past? Don’t think there’s anything we can do to improve on that?  We have different systems for different states.  It takes weeks to get all the votes in.  That’s fucking stupid and we can manage better than that. 

We can do things to streamline voting, and vote counting, sure. And in ANY system, there’s “always room for improvement.” And in ANY system, a handful of fraudulent votes can happen....you can’t make a perfect system that also allows most all eligible people to vote.

But the fundamental truth is that voting systems in the US are among the most relatable and accurate in the world. The only narrative that it is rife with fraud is a FALSE one promoted by the insane wing of the GOP (that is, the whole GOP now).

Oh....also...wanna know why it takes a long time to count votes in some states? Because the state Lege, often Republican, won’t allow pre-counting and then release (of early votes and absentee ballots received) after the polls have closed, like we do here in Texas. That’s not a system problem, that’s a law problem.
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3 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Yeah, all those Squad bitches are jus drama queens.
 

 


It’s not like they have been getting legitimate death threats that required the FBI to step in since the day they were sworn in or anything.

It’s not like Ilhan Omar got disgusting threats from one of the actual insurrectionists prior the the riot. And reported him to law enforcement authorities and nothing was done.

Just attention seeking dramatics, right???

 

you know...it really shouldn't be this difficult and emotionally traumatizing to hold office in the gotdamn United States of America. 

jfc

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7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


We can do things to streamline voting, and vote counting, sure. And in ANY system, there’s “always room for improvement.” And in ANY system, a handful of fraudulent votes can happen....you can’t make a perfect system that also allows most all eligible people to vote.

But the fundamental truth is that voting systems in the US are among the most relatable and accurate in the world. The only narrative that it is rife with fraud is a FALSE one promoted by the insane wing of the GOP (that is, the whole GOP now).

Oh....also...wanna know why it takes a long time to count votes in some states? Because the state Lege, often Republican, won’t allow pre-counting and then release (of early votes and absentee ballots received) after the polls have closed, like we do here in Texas. That’s not a system problem, that’s a law problem.

Drives me nuts that people that oppose some of the mail-in voting argue from either ignorance of how it actually works or from deliberate ignorance because it makes it easier for people they don't like to vote and then 'but...but' when you point out that allowing only in person voting disenfranchises a lot of Americans overseas including our military people serving away from home.

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