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On 4/26/2025 at 4:47 PM, tx 3 putt said:

if dart was a 1st round pick, he's a top 5 for sure 

It's hard to get an accurate read on Dart. He's only played 1 year with a coach that isn't Lane Kiffin and it's the year Clay Helton finally got fired. Dart is boom, or bust, but has the potential to be a good quarterback now that his coach doesn't have the emotional maturity of an angry toddler refusing to take a nap. 

16 hours ago, Derka said:

 

Banks at #9 is an absolute steal. Saints fans are going to be really happy with that pick. 

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1 minute ago, Jkwellborn said:


Don’t give a shit about the conference. But damn, haven’t they had more teams than the rest for most of that time?

Not a conference guy, but this stuff is great for Texas. You want every recruit in America thinking they want to play in the SEC. 

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16 hours ago, Mac8111 said:

 

 

 

 


Which five stars did not get drafted

 

 

 

Inspired me to look back at the recruiting accuracy for the 1st round.  A couple blaring misses, but the rest were pretty spot on.  Recruit info is from 247

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1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

Inspired me to look back at the recruiting accuracy for the 1st round.  A couple blaring misses, but the rest were pretty spot on.  Recruit info is from 247

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I wouldn't say that's spot on. It's 11 out of 32 that they hit. Remember, they do extremely stupid stuff like downgrading recruits as COLLEGE PROSPECTS because they don't think they are what a prototypical PROFESSIONAL left tackle or edge rusher looks like.

I don't give a fuck if someone is a prototypical NFL position-specific prospect if he's going to be a badass in college at that position. So if they're going to do stupid shit like downgrade incredible college prospects because they're not incredible NFL prospects then they better at least get that right.

Here are the top 10 2021 247 recruits:

#1 Quinn Ewers - 7th round
#2 JT Tuimolau - 2nd round
#3 Korey Foreman - Still in college transferred from USC to Fresno State because he sure as shit isn't a first round pick
#4 Leonard Taylor - Undrafted free agent signed with Jets
#5 JC Latham - #7 overall pick 2024
#6 Jack Sawyer - 4th round
#7 Donovan Jackson - #24 overall
#8 Caleb Williams - #1 overall 2024
#9 Emeka Egbuka - #19 overall
#10 Tommy Brockermeyer - lol no

4 out of 10 were first round picks. This is the cream of the crop, the ones they spend the most time on, when they tell everyone that they rank based on NFL projection. Which, of course, is stupid because their subscribers care about college football. And they still can't bat .500 on the most heavily scrutinized prospects.

Look, overall you want better classes. Throw them all in a bucket and you'll be much better off signing a bunch of top prospects. But that graphic is terribly misleading. Every single one of those 4-stars you see is a miss. And I haven't even gotten into shit like Walter Nolen who the NFL drafted on projection and sure as shit wasn't a 5-star college player.

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

I wouldn't say that's spot on. It's 11 out of 32 that they hit. Remember, they do extremely stupid stuff like downgrading recruits as COLLEGE PROSPECTS because they don't think they are what a prototypical PROFESSIONAL left tackle or edge rusher looks like.

I don't give a fuck if someone is a prototypical NFL position-specific prospect if he's going to be a badass in college at that position. So if they're going to do stupid shit like downgrade incredible college prospects because they're not incredible NFL prospects then they better at least get that right.

Here are the top 10 2021 247 recruits:

#1 Quinn Ewers - 7th round
#2 JT Tuimolau - 2nd round
#3 Korey Foreman - Still in college transferred from USC to Fresno State because he sure as shit isn't a first round pick
#4 Leonard Taylor - Undrafted free agent signed with Jets
#5 JC Latham - #7 overall pick 2024
#6 Jack Sawyer - 4th round
#7 Donovan Jackson - #24 overall
#8 Caleb Williams - #1 overall 2024
#9 Emeka Egbuka - #19 overall
#10 Tommy Brockermeyer - lol no

4 out of 10 were first round picks. This is the cream of the crop, the ones they spend the most time on, when they tell everyone that they rank based on NFL projection. Which, of course, is stupid because their subscribers care about college football. And they still can't bat .500 on the most heavily scrutinized prospects.

Look, overall you want better classes. Throw them all in a bucket and you'll be much better off signing a bunch of top prospects. But that graphic is terribly misleading. Every single one of those 4-stars you see is a miss. And I haven't even gotten into shit like Walter Nolen who the NFL drafted on projection and sure as shit wasn't a 5-star college player.

27 out of the 32 picks were rated as 4 or 5 star recruits coming out of HS.  That's pretty impressive to me.

 

 

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Not gonna bump the ‘24 draft thread, but he’s hanging ‘em up.

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Jordan Travis’ statement: “On November 18, 2023, my life took an unexpected turn. I gave everything I had to the rehab process but despite all my efforts, my leg never responded the way we hoped. After much prayer and consultation with the doctors, medical experts and my agent, I've been medically advised to retire from the game I love so deeply.” 

Posted
20 hours ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Not gonna bump the ‘24 draft thread, but he’s hanging ‘em up.

Sucks for him. That was a gruesome injury to witness. Theisman, Tyrone Prothro, and this dude all on national tv of some sort. When a leg injury turns a body part sideways, backwards, or in multiple directions at once, the playing days are usually over.

I guess Tim Krumrie and Alex Smith might disagree, but those are both crazy ass stories in bravery, persistence, and lunacy. 

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On 4/29/2025 at 5:32 AM, Mac8111 said:

 

 

 

 


Which five stars did not get drafted

 

 

 

That was fun. Extremely gratifying to see shitheads like Wease, McCoy, and Brooks turn into busts.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, GabrielsHorn said:

Was reading The Athletics survey of random GMs and saw one of the more hilarious takes about the draft. They called Jahdae a one season producer, which is such a shitty take. 

There's some really stupid fuckin GMs in the nfl I guess

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10 hours ago, GabrielsHorn said:

Was reading The Athletics survey of random GMs and saw one of the more hilarious takes about the draft. They called Jahdae a one season producer, which is such a shitty take. 

I don't understand the point he's trying to make. He thinks Jahdae will be good for a year. But will then suck. Because reasons?

Posted
11 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

I don't understand the point he's trying to make. He thinks Jahdae will be good for a year. But will then suck. Because reasons?

No, he was saying Jahdae was only good for one year in college, and suggested that he would fail in the NFL because he would no longer be playing against 19yr olds

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4 minutes ago, skipmcgee said:

No, he was saying Jahdae was only good for one year in college, and suggested that he would fail in the NFL because he would no longer be playing against 19yr olds

OK. Well, that's just as dumb, but at least I understand the dumb point now. 

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10 hours ago, GabrielsHorn said:

Was reading The Athletics survey of random GMs and saw one of the more hilarious takes about the draft. They called Jahdae a one season producer, which is such a shitty take. 

I saw that as well. It was a shockingly stupid comment. Jahdae has been really good for 3 straight years now.  He was the best slot CB in the country two years ago and then switched to outside CB last year and won the fucking Thorpe Award. 

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On 4/29/2025 at 11:55 PM, DixonHur said:

27 out of the 32 picks were rated as 4 or 5 star recruits coming out of HS.  That's pretty impressive to me.

 

 

There are 250 four stars every year. That's not impressive at all. 27 of 250 being elite is like saying every team drafts great because 27 out of 32 all-pros were drafted and only 5 were UDFA. Numerically it's pretty much exactly the same.

Again, every single 4 star you see in that list is a 5 star whiff based on their own stated metric. 

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14 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

There are 250 four stars every year. That's not impressive at all. 27 of 250 being elite is like saying every team drafts great because 27 out of 32 all-pros were drafted and only 5 were UDFA. Numerically it's pretty much exactly the same.

Again, every single 4 star you see in that list is a 5 star whiff based on their own stated metric. 

There are only 32 1st round picks so if course there aren't 250+ players drafted in the round.  But roughly 10% of the 4+ Star players from the 2021 class were drafted in the 1st.  That's out of a max potential of like 12%.

IMO, getting the rankings wrong would mean more 3 stars and below than 4+ stars getting drafted.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

There are 250 four stars every year. That's not impressive at all. 27 of 250 being elite is like saying every team drafts great because 27 out of 32 all-pros were drafted and only 5 were UDFA. Numerically it's pretty much exactly the same.

Would you think it fair to say that a HS player who is not a 4+ star recruit doesn't stand much chance of getting drafted?  Not that such a ranking means they DO have a good chance, but (without being a recruitnik) it seems like it establishes a pretty decent bar.

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43 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If that's accurate, Georgia is punching well above its weight class.

Not really. If you look at the demographics of states in the south that play football more than other regions, those numbers more or less correlate. 

 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Not really. If you look at the demographics of states in the south that play football more than other regions, those numbers more or less correlate. 

 

It's pretty simple.  Calculate draft picks per capita and they're doing better than Texas, Florida, and California.  (WAY better than California.)  I suspect they're doing better than almost every state save perhaps some random outlier like Rhode Island.

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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's pretty simple.  Calculate draft picks per capita and they're doing better than Texas, Florida, and California.  (WAY better than California.)  I suspect they're doing better than almost every state save perhaps some random outlier like Rhode Island.

Using the word simple to mean excluding relevant factors to reach an inaccurate conclusion is certainly one way of going about it.  If you factor in that 75% of the NFL is black and the other 25% of players are white and then look at the demographics for states that value football like Texas, Florida, and Georgia, the numbers are all pretty much in line. Georgia's not "punching above its weight" or doing anything exceptional compared to similar states. 

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There's also always a bias towards drafting players from the dominant college teams. If Georgia had gone 8-4 several of their players would've been drafted lower or not at all.  The other side of that bias is you see players from Bama or Georgia benefit from having stacked teammates around them playing against mortal college teams, then get drafted high and they aren't stars in the NFL due to better competition and not having 5 guys better than them around them. This is assuming most of UGA's players are from Georgia, as it relates to a bump in Georgia HS kids getting drafted.

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14 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

There's also always a bias towards drafting players from the dominant college teams. If Georgia had gone 8-4 several of their players would've been drafted lower or not at all.  The other side of that bias is you see players from Bama or Georgia benefit from having stacked teammates around them playing against mortal college teams, then get drafted high and they aren't stars in the NFL due to better competition and not having 5 guys better than them around them. This is assuming most of UGA's players are from Georgia, as it relates to a bump in Georgia HS kids getting drafted.

Overall strong post with the belief the bolded part is underappreciated.

Posted
2 hours ago, utee94 said:

SIAP.  I saw this infographic on social media so I'm assuming it's true.

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Any idea if FL's numbers include IMG? They had 4 drafted and none were originally from there. 2 from NJ, 1 GA and 1 from American Samoa. 

Posted
3 hours ago, utee94 said:

SIAP.  I saw this infographic on social media so I'm assuming it's true.

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Only one from NY and 5 from Illinois in those populous hot beds? LOL

Posted
2 hours ago, T-shirt Sip said:

Any idea if FL's numbers include IMG? They had 4 drafted and none were originally from there. 2 from NJ, 1 GA and 1 from American Samoa. 

Couldn't tell ya.  I just grabbed the graphic off the net.

But if I were doing it, I doubt I'd dig any deeper than geographic location of high school.  Tracing any deeper than that for "pre-high-school state of origin" doesn't sound like a social media-worthy level of effort. ;) 

Posted
37 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Per capita would be more interesting

That's what I commented on this morning, but was told that because Georgia has a high African American population they're not really doing better.  By that metric, Florida is sucking ass.

Posted
42 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's what I commented on this morning, but was told that because Georgia has a high African American population they're not really doing better.  By that metric, Florida is sucking ass.

Georgia and Florida have almost the same AA population. 

Posted
3 hours ago, tokamak said:

Per capita would be more interesting

You know what is never interesting? Every Olympics when somebody posts the per capita medal count. Nobody cares

Posted
1 hour ago, TonyTexas said:

Georgia and Florida have almost the same AA population. 

What about old people?  Cause they get drafted at about the same rate no matter which state they reside.

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