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1 minute ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

how on earth is that a crime?  mere threats can't be a crime under the 1st amendment, right?  doesn't it have to be paired with some sort of reasonably immediate ability to carry it out or something?

She didn't even threaten them. Hope she gets paid. 

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44 minutes ago, Foosters said:

well that's going to be a not-guilty verdict

It won’t get far enough to get to trial. I bet the charges get dropped outright.

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4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

she spoke about the corproate overlords in a disrepsectful way

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This. And while the charges might eventually get dropped, she was arrested, had to pay for a lawyer, and had her shit put on blast in the news to try and deter any other filthy poor from speaking ill of their corporate overlords. 

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Posted (edited)
51 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

how on earth is that a crime?  mere threats can't be a crime under the 1st amendment, right?  doesn't it have to be paired with some sort of reasonably immediate ability to carry it out or something?

It's pretty much always up to their discretion which is hilarious in itself. The only time I've ever been arrested, in my early 20s, I got hauled in and kept overnight for the words "I have started carrying". I sent it [e: in a text message] to my very recently ex-stepmother after she threatened to break into my apartment to recoup some debt she thought she was owed. I didn't threaten to harm her, nor did I even explicitly use the word gun. Nonetheless, because she was wealthy and well-connected in town, I had cops banging on my door at 3AM and putting me in cuffs for "terroristic threats".

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's pretty much always up to their discretion which is hilarious in itself. The only time I've ever been arrested, in my early 20s, I got hauled in and kept overnight for the words "I have started carrying". I sent it [e: in a text message] to my very recently ex-stepmother after she threatened to break into my apartment to recoup some debt she thought she was owed. I didn't threaten to harm her, nor did I even explicitly use the word gun. Nonetheless, because she was wealthy and well-connected in town, I had cops banging on my door at 3AM and putting me in cuffs for "terroristic threats".

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40 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's pretty much always up to their discretion which is hilarious in itself. The only time I've ever been arrested, in my early 20s, I got hauled in and kept overnight for the words "I have started carrying". I sent it [e: in a text message] to my very recently ex-stepmother after she threatened to break into my apartment to recoup some debt she thought she was owed. I didn't threaten to harm her, nor did I even explicitly use the word gun. Nonetheless, because she was wealthy and well-connected in town, I had cops banging on my door at 3AM and putting me in cuffs for "terroristic threats".

You should have gone with "BTW, I'm packing."

It allows for a defense of non-threatening sexual overtones.

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Posted
9 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

It was Merck that got sued over a faulty drug, but in the discovery this exact statement was made.  I want to say it was Vioxx?  Where they knew early on it was going to mess people up, but the profits from the drug would outweigh the penalties.  They ran with it, tens of thousands of people died, they got sued, but yes, the profits did in fact outweigh the lawsuit amounts.  

 

Vioxx was a great drug for the appropriate patient. It was equivalent or superior to morphine for acute pain and great for inflammation 

 

It wasn’t appropriate for people with certain risk factors wrt cardiovascular disease. Merck had trials that indicated it might be dangerous for such patients but nothing definitive so they tried to hide it. Once it was used widely these risks became clear. They killed tens of thousands but also deprived millions of a safe and effective pain relief option. 

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6 hours ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

how on earth is that a crime?  mere threats can't be a crime under the 1st amendment, right?  doesn't it have to be paired with some sort of reasonably immediate ability to carry it out or something?

When I did my stretch (24 hrs) in the pen (Scottsdale Via Linda Jail), my cellmate was in for telling the girl from the bank, who called to inform him he was being foreclosed on, that he was going to drive down there and kill her.  He got 48 hrs.  He’s not on the Christmas card list.

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Posted
19 hours ago, texasdago said:

Would you believe a family of four in Texas can ski in France for the same or less than a family of four in Texas can ski in Breckenridge or Park City or most major ski towns?

No

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14 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Vioxx was a great drug for the appropriate patient. It was equivalent or superior to morphine for acute pain and great for inflammation 

 

It wasn’t appropriate for people with certain risk factors wrt cardiovascular disease. Merck had trials that indicated it might be dangerous for such patients but nothing definitive so they tried to hide it. Once it was used widely these risks became clear. They killed tens of thousands but also deprived millions of a safe and effective pain relief option. 

Pretty sure I'd take acute pain and inflammation over death.  I kid, but what was so damning was they they knew pretty quickly how dangerous it was, but they offset this obvious moral hazard with how insanely profitable it was as well, and then were stupid enough to put that down on paper.

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27 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Would you believe a family of four in Texas can ski in France for the same or less than a family of four in Texas can ski in Breckenridge or Park City or most major ski towns?

 

So the US ski basin CEOs are next on the list?

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Posted
19 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

The greater problem here is that capitalism has run amok. It has created a massive wealth divide in this country that is only getting worse and creates countless problems that disrupt and destabilize society. We can’t even have fair elections because Elon will threaten to primary anyone who threatens his fragile ego.

The specific problem here is that capitalism has invaded healthcare. It’s impossible to ethically provide healthcare to the masses when you have a few multi-billion dollar companies who get to decide what degree of care is provided, and those companies are driven by profits and a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders, as well as the greed of their own executives.

Brian Thompson and Luigi Mangione are just symptoms of the system America has developed over decades. It’s less surprising that it happened and more surprising that it doesn’t happen more often. I don’t know what the fix is. There probably isn’t one. Maybe these are the problems that eventually reach a tipping point and result in a social uprising.

I’m not happy about any murders but I’ll save my tears for school shooting victims and let other people worry about CEOs.

 

We've gone from "Too big to fail" to "Too big to care about any sort of monetary punishment the government can levy"

Corporations have been putting the boot to the little man for decades now. People are starting to get pissed and fight back.

 

 

18 hours ago, crash_davis said:

LOL. People are FAFO'ing. It'll be interesting the next time it's not an idle threat. I almost feel bad for her. Her pic says, "I can't even comprehend the ways that I fucked up!"

 

https://www.wfla.com/news/polk-county/lakeland-woman-threatens-insurance-company-says-delay-deny-depose-police/

LAKELAND, Fla. (WFLA) — A Lakeland woman was charged Tuesday after police said she ended a call to an insurance company with the words, “Delay, Deny, Depose.”

In an arrest affidavit, the Lakeland Police Department said officers were contacted by the FBI on Tuesday, Dec. 10 regarding an alleged threat made over the phone.

Briana Boston, 42, had reportedly placed a call to BlueCross BlueShield regarding recent medical insurance claims she was denied. The entire phone call was recorded, according to the affidavit.

Near the end of the call, investigators said Boston could be heard stating, “Delay, Deny, Depose. You people are next.” The first three words are similar to those written on the ammunition that a gunman used in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York City last week.

 

Police made contact with Boston at her home in Lakeland, where she reportedly admitted to using those words during the call, telling detectives that “healthcare companies played games and deserved karma from the world because they are evil.”

Boston reportedly told detectives she used the phrase “because it’s what is in the news right now,” and that she had learned of the phrase due to the UnitedHealthcare homicide.

However, Boston added that she does not own any firearms and “was not a danger to anyone,” police said.

 

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17 hours ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

how on earth is that a crime?  mere threats can't be a crime under the 1st amendment, right?  doesn't it have to be paired with some sort of reasonably immediate ability to carry it out or something?

 

This. She's not making a threat, she is reiterating the fucking playbook of the industry, which is the title of a book. This is just another way of how the corporations use our government entities to keep the man down.

 

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Bevo said:

 

So the US ski basin CEOs are next on the list?

I know your comment is in jest, but the only (AFAIK) publicly traded ski resort, Vail Resorts, reports net income in the low hundred millions by providing entirely optional recreational activities.  UNH reports net income of around 20 billion on providing (or not) healthcare insurance.

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On 12/12/2024 at 2:12 PM, crash_davis said:

LOL. People are FAFO'ing. It'll be interesting the next time it's not an idle threat. I almost feel bad for her. Her pic says, "I can't even comprehend the ways that I fucked up!"

 

https://www.wfla.com/news/polk-county/lakeland-woman-threatens-insurance-company-says-delay-deny-depose-police/

LAKELAND, Fla. (WFLA) — A Lakeland woman was charged Tuesday after police said she ended a call to an insurance company with the words, “”

In an arrest affidavit, the Lakeland Police Department said officers were contacted by the FBI on Tuesday, Dec. 10 regarding an alleged threat made over the phone.

Briana Boston, 42, had reportedly placed a call to BlueCross BlueShield regarding recent medical insurance claims she was denied. The entire phone call was recorded, according to the affidavit.

Near the end of the call, investigators said Boston could be heard stating, “Delay, Deny, Depose. You people are next.” The first three words are similar to those written on the ammunition that a gunman used in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York City last week.

 

Police made contact with Boston at her home in Lakeland, where she reportedly admitted to using those words during the call, telling detectives that “healthcare companies played games and deserved karma from the world because they are evil.”

Boston reportedly told detectives she used the phrase “because it’s what is in the news right now,” and that she had learned of the phrase due to the UnitedHealthcare homicide.

However, Boston added that she does not own any firearms and “was not a danger to anyone,” police said.

 

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you are such a brown shirt 

Delay, Deny, Depose.

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let it be known, i don't wish harm on anyone. delay, deny, depose is a nonviolent political statement
Posted
36 minutes ago, royiv said:

Telling CEOs we will give you special protection instead of telling them to stop being assholes that require special protection is certainly an interesting strategy.

It is the most American thing America ever Americad.

Well....okay....it's up there with the Fugitive Slave Act, but still.

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I wish we could all be honest about how health care is just a hard fucking problem to tackle rather than saying that a particular system is completely broken while another system has got its shit in one sock.

Despite general displeasure with the US healthcare system, 71% of Americans are happy with the quality of their personal care.

Despite general support of the UK's NHS, only 24% of UK public are satisfied with the care provided by NHS, with 71% saying the number one dissatisfier is wait times for care.

 

The US healthcare system is expensive and by some measures less effective* than other country's systems, but no other country's system comes close to producing the level of consistent investment and advancement in medical innovation/technology seen in the US system.

All systems have trade-offs, and anyone telling you otherwise is only trying to win an election.

 

*Poor health outcomes in the US are more attributable to lifestyle choices (diet, transportation, gun culture) than the quality of care provided by the system 

 

 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Foosters said:

TLDR: Tale as old as time. Conservatives slash spending, break the government service, and then point to that failure as proof that the system doesn't work.

It's perhaps the greatest universal constant.  The Law of Gravity looks at that rule and says "shit, I'm a piker in comparison."

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's perhaps the greatest universal constant.  The Law of Gravity looks at that rule and says "shit, I'm a piker in comparison."

In the land of chodes, the average guy's a porn star

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45 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Conservatives slash spending, break the government service, and then point to that failure as proof that the system doesn't work.

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Where did they "slash spending"?

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5 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

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Where did they "slash spending"?

The article he cited said exactly what they did -- the slashed the historical annual rate of increase (a measure that functionally keeps pace based on the fact that prices for goods and services typically increase annually, plus the amount of people needing them increases slightly as well):

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The health service received just 0.1% real-terms increases to its funding each year until 2015 – far short of the 4% real-terms rises it had averaged annually since it was established and the 6% it averaged under the previous Labour government. 

At the time, the King’s Trust health think tank said the NHS was facing the “biggest financial challenge in its history” and warned that the 0.1% settlement would “not be enough to meet increasing cost pressures or cope with increasing demand for services from an ageing population”.

From 2016 onwards, the Conservative government increased the NHS budget by 1.6% a year. In 2018, then prime minister Theresa May announced that the NHS would receive an average 3.4% increase in its budget each year until 2023, as a “birthday present” to mark the 70th birthday of the NHS. But by then, the gap between the health service’s budget and what it would have had if the average 4% increase had been maintained since 2010, had grown to £42.2bn, according to analysis by the British Medical Association. 

Boris Johnson announced a further uplift in 2021, setting real-terms annual spending increases at 3.9% a year until 2025. By now, the funding gap stood at £50bn. Although the move put funding increases back in line with the historical average, the “new plans allow for little or no long-term additional costs as a result of the pandemic”, according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies.

Yes, spending for most every program of every sort -- government, private sector, etc. -- increases year-to-year because of the factors I pointed out.  If the increases do not keep pace with those factors, then the real dollars available on a per patient basis are, functionally....cut.

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7 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

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Where did they "slash spending"?

stop being a fucking pedant

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Although the NHS was spared from this first round of cuts, its funding nevertheless fell significantly. The health service received just 0.1% real-terms increases to its funding each year until 2015 – far short of the 4% real-terms rises it had averaged annually since it was established and the 6% it averaged under the previous Labour government. 

Boris Johnson announced a further uplift in 2021, setting real-terms annual spending increases at 3.9% a year until 2025. By now, the funding gap stood at £50bn. 

it is telling that that your reply is the best you can do after getting called on your bullshit.

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