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42 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Was anyone sitting on top of the airplane?

1 hour ago, GabrielsHorn said:

Apparently the one survivor jumped from the plane? Will be a crazy story to see what was going on. 

Connect the dots, Sheeple…

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

Connect the dots, Sheeple…

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Double bird strike? That video of the takeoff is crazy, it just can’t gain any altitude. 
 

RIP to the victims

15 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

So guy in 11A knows it’s going down and right before impact opens the door next to him and bails out and survives?  That’s pretty amazing. 

Guy? It was Tom Herman's wife. 

13 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Seeing that video, I think everyone knew what was coming. It stalled all the way to the ground.  Terrifying and people absolutely could feel that the ground was not moving the way it was supposed to. 

Ground doesn't move.

I can't really see anything obvious from the engines to suggest bird strike(s), but it could still be the case. My unfounded speculation leans toward a) flap misconfiguration or premature retraction, (which you'd think would almost be impossible on such a modern aircraft), b) takeoff distance or load miscalculation leading to not enough speed to maintain climb once out of ground effect, or c) problem with engine power setting  (autothrottle or TOGA malfunction, or human error setting throttle position for takeoff/climb).

I'm not a pilot but I have a lot of hours in MSFS...

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Ground doesn't move.

So the earth really is the center of the universe?

11 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

So the earth really is the center of the universe?

 

9 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Take an astronomy class

Did your fancy classes teach you anything about inertial reference frames?  

23 minutes ago, tokamak said:

That video of the takeoff is crazy, it just can’t gain any altitude. 

Viagra helps is some cases. 

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

 

Did your fancy classes teach you anything about inertial reference frames?  

So what’s the reference frame of the people in the plane?  

1 hour ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

 

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looks like that's about where they took off from angles and such

4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So what’s the reference frame of the people in the plane?  

The top of the treadmill. 

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Not sure whether the guy jumping is true or not...but aren't those doors basically made impossible to open once they're locked down? Or is that a once a certain level of pressure is reached? I have no idea about any of that shit, but I find it odd on a full flight if that dude DID get the door open, fighting through I assume the flight attendants, I'd have to assume there would have been a lot of people following his ass out of the plane. 

jesus they really just plopped a runway in the middle of a densely developed area

5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

jesus they really just plopped a runway in the middle of a densely developed area

India gonna India

9 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

jesus they really just plopped a runway in the middle of a densely developed area

Check out Congonhas in São Paulo and TAM Air 3054. That’s a fun one. 

14 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Not sure whether the guy jumping is true or not...but aren't those doors basically made impossible to open once they're locked down? Or is that a once a certain level of pressure is reached? I have no idea about any of that shit, but I find it odd on a full flight if that dude DID get the door open, fighting through I assume the flight attendants, I'd have to assume there would have been a lot of people following his ass out of the plane. 

Shitty translations abound. He was sitting in an emergency exit row. Dude threw open the door immediately after the crash, was the only one to make it out without being engulfed in flames. He said his brother that was next to him did not survive the crash. 

How the hell did that dude survive the giant fireball? Odds have gotta be like winning the lottery 3 weeks in a row or something.

2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

RAT?

don't think so. the RAT on a 787 is behind the rear landing gear. at least if it's there it's very hard to see.

 

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1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

If the show Air Disasters has taught me anything, it’s that 90% of the time crashes are due to pilot errors.

I think the producers of Air Disasters are sabotaging flights for content. 

1 hour ago, Paper_jam said:

I can't really see anything obvious from the engines to suggest bird strike(s), but it could still be the case. My unfounded speculation leans toward a) flap misconfiguration or premature retraction, (which you'd think would almost be impossible on such a modern aircraft), b) takeoff distance or load miscalculation leading to not enough speed to maintain climb once out of ground effect, or c) problem with engine power setting  (autothrottle or TOGA malfunction, or human error setting throttle position for takeoff/climb).

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So auto engage is basically when one system bricks the plane. 
 

and manual is for “we’re falling out of the sky and don’t know why, try everything”

?

Basically the same set up in the Airbus. The Rat should auto deploy above 100 kts if AC busses 1 and 2 are unpowered. Below 100 knots there’s not enough relative wind to spin the blades fast enough to be useful and the batteries take over. 

It can be manually deployed from two different buttons. One is to provide emergency electrical power, it generates 5kw as opposed the generators which produce 90kw, and the other is to pressurize one of the three hydraulic systems. This backup hydraulic pump is used to drive the backup hydraulic generator. 

Total deployment time is 8 seconds. 3 to deploy and 5 to spin up. 

There’s kinda the same setup with the cabin O2 masks. They should auto deploy under certain circumstances but the order to open the overhead doors can be manually sent from the flight deck. 

1 hour ago, Paper_jam said:

I can't really see anything obvious from the engines to suggest bird strike(s), but it could still be the case. My unfounded speculation leans toward a) flap misconfiguration or premature retraction, (which you'd think would almost be impossible on such a modern aircraft), b) takeoff distance or load miscalculation leading to not enough speed to maintain climb once out of ground effect, or c) problem with engine power setting  (autothrottle or TOGA malfunction, or human error setting throttle position for takeoff/climb).

I'm not a pilot but I have a lot of hours in MSFS...

 

 

 

Inadvertent flap retraction nearly downed a UAL 777 out of Maui last year. 

2 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Inadvertent flap retraction nearly downed a UAL 777 out of Maui last year. 

Don’t like reading that. 

So auto engage is basically when one system bricks the plane. 
 
and manual is for “we’re falling out of the sky and don’t know why, try everything”
?

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Not sure whether the guy jumping is true or not...

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39 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

How the hell did that dude survive the giant fireball?

fake news

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Bobby the Pilot, how hard is it to enter a takeoff roll with flaps retracted on a modern passenger jet?  I would think they'd engineer that to be really hard to do.

Same question when retracting flaps immediately after takeoff.  Isn't there a "yeah, might want to think twice" warning if you order flap retraction at a speed, altitude and configuration that would likely result in a stall?

2 hours ago, royiv said:

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I stared perplexed at that for 20 seconds before I started laughing. I hope that delay means I’m going to a nicer level of hell.

2 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

I can't really see anything obvious from the engines to suggest bird strike(s), but it could still be the case. My unfounded speculation leans toward a) flap misconfiguration or premature retraction, (which you'd think would almost be impossible on such a modern aircraft), b) takeoff distance or load miscalculation leading to not enough speed to maintain climb once out of ground effect, or c) problem with engine power setting  (autothrottle or TOGA malfunction, or human error setting throttle position for takeoff/climb).

I'm not a pilot but I have a lot of hours in MSFS...

 

 

 

Seems like b).   Aviation 101, inadequate speed.

Initial observations, it was a full length takeoff not an intersection take off. Most likely an inadvertent flap retraction instead of gear up. Also noted in another forum it was not an augmented crew and the FO only had 1100 hours but that’ll come out in the wash too. Obviously it’s all speculation at this point until the flight data can be extracted. Freaking wolf Blitzer was quick to jump on the Boeing whistleblower…🙄. Not sure why I bother with CNN in any capacity, but that’s the only news channel in my hotel this week.

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1 hour ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Inadvertent flap retraction nearly downed a UAL 777 out of Maui last year. 

It definitely looks like early flap retraction as the cause of the stall, but I wonder what the puff of smoke on takeoff was indicative of a critical loss of power. Jeeze, what a nightmare 

A commenter on one aviation channel on Youtube suggested that the dust was kicked up by the 787 going into the runway overrun area, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.

38 minutes ago, HiggyBaby said:

Initial observations, it was a full length takeoff not an intersection take off. Most likely an inadvertent flap retraction instead of gear up. Also noted in another forum it was not an augmented crew and the FO only had 1100 hours but that’ll come out in the wash too. Obviously it’s all speculation at this point until the flight data can be extracted. Freaking wolf Blitzer was quick to jump on the Boeing whistleblower…🙄. Not sure why I bother with CNN in any capacity, but that’s the only news channel in my hotel this week.

A pilot friend of mine wondered about cargo load or shifts.  Those 78s are great planes.  Sad to see the first hull loss.

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

jesus they really just plopped a runway in the middle of a densely developed area

If you want to read about what life is like there, this is a fascinating read 

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2 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

If you want to read about what life is like there, this is a fascinating read 

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That kid grew up to be @satyanash.

52 minutes ago, HiggyBaby said:

Initial observations, it was a full length takeoff not an intersection take off. Most likely an inadvertent flap retraction instead of gear up. Also noted in another forum it was not an augmented crew and the FO only had 1100 hours but that’ll come out in the wash too. Obviously it’s all speculation at this point until the flight data can be extracted. Freaking wolf Blitzer was quick to jump on the Boeing whistleblower…🙄. Not sure why I bother with CNN in any capacity, but that’s the only news channel in my hotel this week.

 

29 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It definitely looks like early flap retraction as the cause of the stall, but I wonder what the puff of smoke on takeoff was indicative of a critical loss of power. Jeeze, what a nightmare 

 

1 hour ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Inadvertent flap retraction nearly downed a UAL 777 out of Maui last year. 

 

i just don't understand how an inadvertent flap retraction occurs unless a bug in the electronics causes it in an automated way or unless the pilot is severely drunk. The controls in a 787-8 cockpit are pretty fucking clear.

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24 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It definitely looks like early flap retraction as the cause of the stall, but I wonder what the puff of smoke on takeoff was indicative of a critical loss of power. Jeeze, what a nightmare 

Could have been dust. Then again, there’s some indication the RAT was out, but that’s based on some grainy pictures and the sound as it went by. 
 

Inadvertently raising flaps instead of the gear would explain the sudden sink. 
 

They may have gone straight into the their EGPWS escape procedure which generally doesn’t have the crew change the gear or flap position. That might explain the gear still being down. 
 

Boeing and RR probably already have a good idea what happened unless it was FOD, electrical failure or fuel contamination.  

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3 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

My unfounded speculation leans toward a) flap misconfiguration or premature retraction,

I once initiated a premature retraction upon visual confirmation of a flap misconfiguration.

6 minutes ago, sidis said:

 

 

 

i just don't understand how an inadvertent flap retraction occurs unless a bug in the electronics causes it in an automated way or unless the pilot is severely drunk. The controls in a 787-8 cockpit are pretty fucking clear.

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The Bus has something called alpha lock that prevents flap retraction in low energy or high angle of attack situations. I don’t know if the 787 has a feature like that. 
 

The 777 off Maui involved selecting one extra notch of flaps up over the intended setting, the quick rush to select the correct setting, an EGPWS warning and an over G in recovery. 

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4 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

RAT?

 

4 hours ago, Native Horn said:

I do not see any RATs.

 

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5 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

 and an over G in recovery. 

sounds like a fun ride for those folks...

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