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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Selected this post, but there are so many others....I'm actually glad Enchubben is sharing his unvarnished thoughts, because it's a good glimpse into the mind of someone who is simultaneously clueless, and thinks they're a good person....who is also a vile racist.

He described a made-up "DEI" boogeyman that doesn't exist.  It's a straw man for the right to construct and then demonize, which gives them justification for their continued suspicion and resentment of all people who aren't white males (note that white males are literally the ONLY class that doesn't get the "I just can't trust that they weren't a 'DEI hire'" treatment).  This is how deeply permeated the racism is.  

And how he just blows by straight-forward, unambiguous statements like him saying that black women just don't have the brain power.  Or, in choosing to criticize the Cowboys, going to the race of their fanbase.  What possible relevance could that have to anything or anyone?  There are 100,000 reasons to hate the Cowboys and their fans (I can list them, as I share in most of them).  But mentioning the race/ethnicity of their fans WOULDN'T EVEN FUCKING OCCUR TO ME, BECAUSE I'M NOT A FUCKING WHITE SUPREMACIST.

It's the casualness, and ubiquity, of white supremacist ideology that's being revealed in this discussion.  They don't argue that Charlie Kirk didn't say or think those things.  They just move the goalposts, and say "racist things really aren't racist."  It's not "racist" to think that black women are inferior...it's just true.  It's not racist to say that foreigners should be whipped -- that's just a good idea.  It's not racist to say that the phrenology of the skulls of negroes correlates to lower IQs, that's just science (see the road we're on?  Everything old will become new again).

Enchubben doesn't wear a robe and white hood.  Enchubben surely thinks of himself as a good person, who doesn't mean any harm to anyone.  Enchubben also holds deep-seated beliefs and opinions about how minorities are actually inferior, and likely get any role or achievement through "cheating" (that's what they think "DEI" is), and how minorities are just generally lower class (I mean, look at those little mexican Cowboys fans), etc. etc. etc.  That doesn't make him racist, he's just calling it like it is.  Guys in klan robes aren't the danger to America and humanity.  Guys like Enchubben are.  Because the guys in the klan robes are few, and so over-the-top that they are easy to combat.  Guys like Enchubben are your neighbor.  Your neighbor who, when seeing my last name on the pleadings of a court case, thinks "DEI hire," and that I am probably an inferior intellect.  Maybe he's the judge in my case, and he automatically knocks my credibility down a peg because surely, I got where I got by taking a more qualified white man's position.  If Enchubben is a banker, he thinks I am something more of a lending risk because again, while my job title LOOKS nice, I probably really don't deserve it, and I won't last long out there in the real world, where skill and talent make a difference.

I'm glad that the Enchubbens of the world are so clueless about their racism and contempt for everyone who is not a white male that they state it openly and plainly.  Being able to see the force bent on destroying our society right out there in the open is a helpful advantage for the rest of us.

Now . . . to figure out what to do with it.  Because the Enchubbens have ALSO made it plain that putting objective truth that runs contrary to their worldview right in front of them . . . does nothing.  I keep coming back to "they're going to have to see what a shitshow their 'dream society' turns into when they have their way, and all non-white males are put back under the boot where they belong."

Anectodal experience that sort of cuts a line in the middle between what you and enchub are saying:

I worked for a Mag 7 in 2018 through the heart of Covid. I was part of hiring a lot during the #MeToo and DEI peak (as it relates to corporate popularity, lots of money was budgeted for DEI programs post-George Floyd youll recall) and there absolutely was a focus on metrics. Specifically, KPI's that make your departments and overall corporate footprint have a better ratio of demographics that skew away from white and indian men.

So we were told to score more graciously (and we were operationally incentivized because the standard hiring workflow from req to onboarding was cut in half) and to favor the hiring of what we termed URG's (underrepresented gender) and URM's (underrepresented minorities) over a more "typical" profile. At the time, it actually didn't seem that wild of a practice because the general mood and sentiment of corporate America (and politics) was on board.

Cut to today, there is zero chance that any sort of direction like that would be given as DEI seems to be made borderline illegal (if not illegal) by Trump. And it feels almost quaint thinking back to those halycon times.

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7 minutes ago, mchookem said:

Kash Patel was a DEI hire.

Southasians / Indians don't qualify as DEI from what I recall. They are typically very conservative and don't like DEI/affirmative action for this reason.

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Just now, Vegas64 said:

Southasians / Indians don't qualify as DEI from what I recall. They are typically very conservative and don't like DEI/affirmative action for this reason.

That has nothing at all to do with whether he was a DEI hire or not.

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Just now, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

That has nothing at all to do with whether he was a DEI hire or not.

Asians and Southasians (Indians) are generally not considered to be beneficieries (but rather hurt) by DEI policies and practices. I say generally becaue DEI policies obviously differ on case by case basis, but overwhelmingly do not include them (and likely due to the pervasive and harmful "model minority" myth).

Posted
5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Bro are you autistic

Sorry did I mess something up? Sometimes I do that. Maybe have a touch of the 'tism. I've heard it before.

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10 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I was assured that the second we got rid of those the racist shit people would give black people who were in any position that wasn't a stereotypically black one would end. That they would be given the respect they were due. Nope. We got rid of all that stuff and people just invent new reasons to assume that black people don't deserve shit. Almost as if they think black people are inferior and come up with excuses to cover up that true belief. It is the same old shit. Especially today where nepotism, corrupt buddy networks, and incompetence are the name of the game in almost every profession and field.

So much this.  Let me share with you the takeaway from the Charlie Kirk-sponsored view of minorities and DEI: as a minority, no matter what you do, no matter how much you overcome or achieve, it will never, ever, ever be enough.

The black pilot of Charlie Kirk's plane could be the most decorated combat pilot in modern history, aced every exam and test for his airline, and demonstrated exceptional judgment at every possible turn.  But in Charlie Kirk world, they will ALWAYS come up with some reason to think that he's inferior and doesn't deserve it.

All while his dream administration, that Charlie Kirk personally helped gain power in the last election, practices the most naked nepotism, loyalty-test, hire-strictly-from-a-pool-of-your-existing-friends approach that we've seen in modern political history, and that's just fine.

Cranky white guy "old boy" network shit, putting merit second, putting "who you know" first?  That's cool, that's good.  I mean, that's how bidness works, knowwhati'msayin'?

Even THINK of suggesting "hey, why don't we send a recruiter to an HBCU, to see if any of those folks, who have never networked with us before because for the past 50 years, we've been an old white guy outfit, might be a good hire?"  Well, that's woke DEI and you'll just end up with inferior hires taking a qualified white man's job, because....well, you can just tell.

And Enchubben thinks that worldview is NOT racist.  White man = likely more qualified.  Black man = likely less qualified.  Without knowing a single other fact about them, their experience, education, etc., the Enchubbens of the world have ALREADY made that judgment.  Charlie Kirk said exactly that, in pretty plain language, several different ways.  And Enchubben thinks that not only is that okay, but it's one of the things that makes Charlie SO worthy of admiration and adoration.

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Posted
Just now, Vegas64 said:

Sorry did I mess something up? Sometimes I do that. Maybe have a touch of the 'tism. I've heard it before.

No you just take things way too literally sometimes.

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46 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

People very concerned about DEI hiring practices jumped at the chance to elect a reality TV star to be POTUS. 

 

Or TV commentators and podcasters as cabinet members. Or the wife of one of the president's sons as head of the GOP and a candidate for senator of Florida. 

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4 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Asians and Southasians (Indians) are generally not considered to be beneficieries (but rather hurt) by DEI policies and practices. I say generally becaue DEI policies obviously differ on case by case basis, but overwhelmingly do not include them (and likely due to the pervasive and harmful "model minority" myth).

How many Indians do you think are employed by the FBI? Are they overrepresented or underrepresented? It doesn't matter at all if they are conservative or liberal.

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Posted
44 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:


You’re assuming it has something to do with the United States Constitution. I wouldn’t be so sure.

Well, it’s free right now. Let my indoctrination…uh…education commence!

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The frustrating thing about DEI is that EVERYONE understands the underlying concepts, as long as it is in a field where “they” belong.

Every single person on this board knows that in recruiting, you don’t just blindly offer the kids who put up big numbers from Katy/Southlake/etc and call it a day.  Every single person on this board understands that these big school kids have likely had all of the advantages presented to them to this point and it is not necessarily indicative of future success.  Every single person on this board understands the logic behind extending an offer to someone who might have lesser stats now, but could thrive given the proper opportunity.

But that’s somewhere where “they” are allowed to succeed, so nobody ever associates DEI with college football.

The compounding factors on all of this, of course, is that most people who are generally labeled as a “DEI hire” absolutely have similar/better resumes than their counterparts, yet folks like @Enchubben just assume they must have only gotten the job because of the color of their skin.  I won’t publicly call you a racist, but I’ll let your words speak for themselves.

 

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3 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

How many Indians do you think are employed by the FBI? Are they overrepresented or underrepresented? It doesn't matter at all if they are conservative or liberal.

no idea tbh

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23 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Southasians / Indians don't qualify as DEI from what I recall. They are typically very conservative and don't like DEI/affirmative action for this reason.

Yeah, I mean, they're so close to white that we'll probably kick them out last, amirite?

Edit for a more serious response.  Yes, some Indians claim that some DEI policies have hurt them.  But they have, without question, benefitted from affirmative action and diversity initiatives in university settings over several decades, and that will be on the chopping block soon enough.  They are still brown and foreign.

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39 minutes ago, immamac said:

All the same to the FBI. There's no way to access surly without exposing your endpoint. It's not possible. 

That's why you bounce your access off 9 different substations throughout the world and 2 satellites.

 

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Southasians / Indians don't qualify as DEI from what I recall. They are typically very conservative and don't like DEI/affirmative action for this reason.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

If you want to start a deep dive into this goyper stuff here’s some places to start:

Understand that these folks are in the open spot of the political horseshoe. They are nihilists. I’ve seen Musk described as a goyper. They do everything for the lulz.

So that being said start with these things - gamergate, meme wars, transmaxxing, history of 4chan.

This is why the olds can’t compartmentalize the shooter. He doesn’t fit in their known boxes.

I’ve known of and had a basic knowledge of these things - so if I’m off base, someone that knows more, please correct me.

I agree with this. The backstory of how we are where we are is actually absurd. Basically some memes and trolls have changed the course of history. I recommend this book or any podcast in which she is interviewed about it.

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Pill-Witnessed-Internet-American/dp/1982198885

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2 hours ago, Enchubben said:

I’ll repeat it for you, I don’t think race, sex orientation religion etc should be used in performance evaluation or hiring decisions. If you want to die on that hill by all means, continue to do so.

I do have to ask though, does this mean you’re not coming to my birthday party?

 

I don’t give a fuck what you think. You are disingenuously making the case that DEI is doing just that

 

so again get fucked liar

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36 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Anectodal experience that sort of cuts a line in the middle between what you and enchub are saying:

I worked for a Mag 7 in 2018 through the heart of Covid. I was part of hiring a lot during the #MeToo and DEI peak (as it relates to corporate popularity, lots of money was budgeted for DEI programs post-George Floyd youll recall) and there absolutely was a focus on metrics. Specifically, KPI's that make your departments and overall corporate footprint have a better ratio of demographics that skew away from white and indian men.

So we were told to score more graciously (and we were operationally incentivized because the standard hiring workflow from req to onboarding was cut in half) and to favor the hiring of what we termed URG's (underrepresented gender) and URM's (underrepresented minorities) over a more "typical" profile. At the time, it actually didn't seem that wild of a practice because the general mood and sentiment of corporate America (and politics) was on board.

Cut to today, there is zero chance that any sort of direction like that would be given as DEI seems to be made borderline illegal (if not illegal) by Trump. And it feels almost quaint thinking back to those halycon times.

This is pretty interesting, because typically when you have departments that are overrepresented demographically that means there is some bias in the hiring. The entire point at DEI, especially at global scale corporations that employ 10s to 100s of thousands of people the KPIs matter because they show the bias of managers or organizations pretty clearly - and guess what at a place with that many people, it definitely doesn't matter if you are white black purple or blue. You are a cog in a machine. The cogs in the machine need to be diverse and there needs to be ample opportunity for diversity of thought, background etc or you start to get echo chambers and fiefdoms based on the buddy system and a complete lack of meritocracy. 

DEI wasn't for the small businesses or medium sized companies. It's for companies that have record profits and are massive employers who may have managers or people who work for the firm that are intentionally or unintentionally being bias against people that don't look like them. 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:


You’re assuming it has something to do with the United States Constitution. I wouldn’t be so sure.

It's probably in German.  And written in the 30s. 

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52 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

I got tired of seeing people post hateful comments about a man who was shot in the neck in front of his wife and kids with little to no actual knowledge about his beliefs.

You are entitled to your opinion about his ideologies, and I don’t hate you for having them.

 

 

I don't celebrate his death because all the problems that made a guy like him successful are still here. Plus there were a lot of bystanders there that day that are gonna have a shit ton of trauma to work through. But I'm not sad he's dead and don't pass judgment on anyone else that isn't sad either. 

The dude had ZERO empathy for any groups he didn't like (which includes school children) and he constantly engaged in incendiary rhetoric and it's a goddamn that so many people were broken up about this asshole, but not the children that were shot the same day. They probably weren't upset about all the black people gunned down in Buffalo a few years ago. 

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is pretty interesting, because typically when you have departments that are overrepresented demographically that means there is some bias in the hiring. The entire point at DEI, especially at global scale corporations that employ 10s to 100s of thousands of people the KPIs matter because they show the bias of managers or organizations pretty clearly - and guess what at a place with that many people, it definitely doesn't matter if you are white black purple or blue. You are a cog in a machine. The cogs in the machine need to be diverse and there needs to be ample opportunity for diversity of thought, background etc or you start to get echo chambers and fiefdoms based on the buddy system and a complete lack of meritocracy. 

DEI wasn't for the small businesses or medium sized companies. It's for companies that have record profits and are massive employers who may have managers or people who work for the firm that are intentionally or unintentionally being bias against people that don't look like them. 

 

This is a great point and it jives and makes me recall another piece of this that I had forgotten about that time until your post-- the mandatory trainings around hiring and recognizing subconscious bias and giving some rules of the road on how to better interview, score, bar raise, etc.

You actually couldn't interview candidates much less get an HR partner and get candidates unless you had done the corporate certification at that time around DEI.

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3 hours ago, G650 said:

Dude, what else could "Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot." possibly mean.

 

2 hours ago, G650 said:

 

 

You still haven't answered this very straightforward question.

 

@Enchubben

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He’s not going to answer that because it would force him to face who he is and what he believes, which he’s convinced himself isn’t racist.

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Posted
44 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

He's not autistic but he has a trains roommate

Wait, I JUST got this joke. This is funny. ugh, i do have it don't i.

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1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

asserting that Yngwie Malmsteen or some other technically proficient instrumentalist that makes niche music for fans of instrumentalism is a better musician than (obvious example) Taylor Swift when almost any metric you might use to meaningfully determine that (pointless and meaningless) distinction would give you the opposite conclusion.

Sir you have gone too far

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The wildest irony in all the DEI hubbub is that the 20th century was full bore DEI for mediocre white dudes. 

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2 hours ago, Enchubben said:

💯 I simply started posting on this topic because there were a lot of people espousing insults and accusations against the man that simply aren’t true with nothing to back it up other than more insults and name calling. When questioned, I am told the same of myself and to stop posting. 

Kirk, with no gotchas or something else "out of context," was on video saying he would make his daughter carry her child to term if she was raped.

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1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

I got tired of seeing people post hateful comments about a man who was shot in the neck in front of his wife and kids with little to no actual knowledge about his beliefs.

You are entitled to your opinion about his ideologies, and I don’t hate you for having them.

 

 

It sounds like you are the one with little to no actual knowledge of his beliefs

 

oh wait you do actually know exactly what he believed and espoused you’re just a lying racist

 

Also those hateful comments are his actual words being used as evidence of what a huge piece of shit he was 

 

Almost everyone here agrees what happened was despicable. Democratic politicians and pundits have universally condemned the shooting. And “libruls” are the only ones who have consistently pushed for policies that would have made carrying out this act more difficult if not impossible 

 

so again go fuck yourself liar

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8 minutes ago, G650 said:

The wildest irony in all the DEI hubbub is that the 20th century was full bore DEI for mediocre white dudes. 

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if i was fat, if I had an accent, if I didn't look like a "leader", if I wasn't raised in an environment that trained me to be adept at navigating conversations and interactions with Very Important White People. Shit, if I didn't have hair?

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Sheila Jackson Lee- Education- NYU, UVA, Yale-Juris Doctorate

Lauren Boebart- Education- GED

Marjorie Taylor Greene- Education- Georgia-BBA

Mike Johnson-Education-LSU Juris Doctorate

________________________________________________________________________

Ketanji Jackson Brown- Education- Harvard-Juris Doctorate

Chief Justice John Roberts Education- Harvard- Juris Doctorate

Samuel Alito- Education-Princeton, Yale- Juris Doctorate

Neil Gorsuch- Education- Columbia, Harvard, Oxford Dphil

Brett Kavanaugh- Education- Yale-Juris Doctorate

Amy Coney Barrett- Education- Rhodes College, Notre Dame- Juris Doctorate

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Michelle Obama -Education- Princeton, Harvard Juris Doctorate

Melania Trump- Education- One year at University of Ljubljana

Jill Biden- Education- University of Delaware, Villanova, West Chester College- MD

Laura Bush- SMU, University of Texas MLS

Hillary Clinton- Education- Wellesley College, Yale- JD

Barbara Bush- Education- One year at Smith College

Nancy Reagan- Education- Smith College BA

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Joy Reid- Education- Harvard-BA

Sean Hannity- Education- NYU did not graduate

Laura Ingraham- Education- Dartmouth, University of Virginia JD

Charlie Kirk- Education- One semester at Harper College 

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 If their were names or faces attached to each one of these all 4 women are absolutely being brought in for an interview. Each one of these black women has a more impressive resume than almost anyone else in their peer group. The fact that you cannot process that is an indictment on you and your brain power. 

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1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

Anectodal experience that sort of cuts a line in the middle between what you and enchub are saying:

I worked for a Mag 7 in 2018 through the heart of Covid. I was part of hiring a lot during the #MeToo and DEI peak (as it relates to corporate popularity, lots of money was budgeted for DEI programs post-George Floyd youll recall) and there absolutely was a focus on metrics. Specifically, KPI's that make your departments and overall corporate footprint have a better ratio of demographics that skew away from white and indian men.

So we were told to score more graciously (and we were operationally incentivized because the standard hiring workflow from req to onboarding was cut in half) and to favor the hiring of what we termed URG's (underrepresented gender) and URM's (underrepresented minorities) over a more "typical" profile. At the time, it actually didn't seem that wild of a practice because the general mood and sentiment of corporate America (and politics) was on board.

Cut to today, there is zero chance that any sort of direction like that would be given as DEI seems to be made borderline illegal (if not illegal) by Trump. And it feels almost quaint thinking back to those halycon times.

There have been some good studies on the misuse of DEI, misapplication of its intended purpose, and the harms it does. No supporter of DEI disagrees with them either, as they can recognize a poorly implemented program mislabeled as DEI.

This would have been a good, civil conversation to have for the betterment of our country and citizens.

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1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

Anectodal experience that sort of cuts a line in the middle between what you and enchub are saying:

I worked for a Mag 7 in 2018 through the heart of Covid. I was part of hiring a lot during the #MeToo and DEI peak (as it relates to corporate popularity, lots of money was budgeted for DEI programs post-George Floyd youll recall) and there absolutely was a focus on metrics. Specifically, KPI's that make your departments and overall corporate footprint have a better ratio of demographics that skew away from white and indian men.

So we were told to score more graciously (and we were operationally incentivized because the standard hiring workflow from req to onboarding was cut in half) and to favor the hiring of what we termed URG's (underrepresented gender) and URM's (underrepresented minorities) over a more "typical" profile. At the time, it actually didn't seem that wild of a practice because the general mood and sentiment of corporate America (and politics) was on board.

Cut to today, there is zero chance that any sort of direction like that would be given as DEI seems to be made borderline illegal (if not illegal) by Trump. And it feels almost quaint thinking back to those halycon times.

 

You’re (not surprisingly) missing a key element of your company’s plight during that timeframe: a lot of companies were doing anything to make them not come off as racist and more accepting to minorities without fully understanding what that is or how that works. 

I saw a lot of companies doing shit and as a Black man, my first thought was “you’re going in so hard that it’s clear you don’t know what this means.” Even my college in Texas tried to lean in a lot more, especially during that time frame (George Floyd), and I had to keep telling them “that is not what minorities/Blacks/Latinos are asking you do to. Instead, how about you actually ask what some of this shit means and stop assuming.

 

So part of the reason you and others believe what you believe it because you saw people and companies acting in ways they shouldn’t have been because they failed to actually reach out to minorities to see what they should be doing.

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

As far as the DEI stuff is concerned you have to understand why I am extremely bitter and cynical about it. Back when quotas and affirmative action were a thing, I was assured that the second we got rid of those the racist shit people would give black people who were in any position that wasn't a stereotypically black one would end. That they would be given the respect they were due. Nope. We got rid of all that stuff and people just invent new reasons to assume that black people don't deserve shit. Almost as if they think black people are inferior and come up with excuses to cover up that true belief. It is the same old shit. Especially today where nepotism, corrupt buddy networks, and incompetence are the name of the game in almost every profession and field.

Thanks, @Brisketexan for pointing this excellent post out to me. I missed it trying to catch up.

I will only add that I shared this entire experience that @Valmy77 describes. It started with quotas that forced big business to hire women and minorities which, in turn, created incentive to make sure these people got the education and experience to fill the jobs they'd been blocked from for decades.

Unsurprisingly, white men (I'm one) became angry at being passed over for the first wave of underqualified persons of color or females. I recall thinking and arguing that this was a small sacrifice for a better society when compared to those called to actual war. This would be our temporary sacrifice for America which would have huge longterm upside.

Eventually, I was passed over for a position by a lesbian chicana who was skilled at one part of the job, but likely not as good an overall fit as I would have been. It would have been an important step in a career in that field. I was disappointed. I was also sort of gratified that I could walk the talk of my earlier arguments.

The whining white men won in the end, I see. Poor babies.

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Sheila Jackson Lee- Education- NYU, UVA, Yale-Juris Doctorate
Lauren Boebart- Education- GED
Marjorie Taylor Greene- Education- Georgia-BBA
Mike Johnson-Education-LSU Juris Doctorate
________________________________________________________________________
Ketanji Jackson Brown- Education- Harvard-Juris Doctorate
Chief Justice John Roberts Education- Harvard- Juris Doctorate
Samuel Alito- Education-Princeton, Yale- Juris Doctorate
Neil Gorsuch- Education- Columbia, Harvard, Oxford Dphil
Brett Kavanaugh- Education- Yale-Juris Doctorate
Amy Coney Barrett- Education- Rhodes College, Notre Dame- Juris Doctorate
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Michelle Obama -Education- Princeton, Harvard Juris Doctorate
Melania Trump- Education- One year at University of Ljubljana
Jill Biden- Education- University of Delaware, Villanova, West Chester College- MD
Laura Bush- SMU, University of Texas MLS
Hillary Clinton- Education- Wellesley College, Yale- JD
Barbara Bush- Education- One year at Smith College
Nancy Reagan- Education- Smith College BA
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Joy Reid- Education- Harvard-BA
Sean Hannity- Education- NYU did not graduate
Laura Ingraham- Education- Dartmouth, University of Virginia JD
Charlie Kirk- Education- One semester at Harper College 
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 If their were names or faces attached to each one of these all 4 women are absolutely being brought in for an interview. Each one of these black women has a more impressive resume than almost anyone else in their peer group. The fact that you cannot process that is an indictment on you and your brain power. 

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Posted
Just now, pacman said:

There have been some good studies on the misuse of DEI, away from its intended purpose. This would have been a good conversation to have in a civil manner for the betterment of our country and it's citizens.

Bingo.  Shit, we can have that discussion about sexual harassment and sexual harassment training (as just another example of a policy that is both necessary and helpful, AND can be silly, burdensome, and counterproductive).

Bosses telling subordinates they have to suck their dick to get a promotion: we can uniformly agree that is bad, and places should have a policy against it.

Extremes that lead to silly SNL skits like this one show us that sexual harassment training can indeed reach levels of absurdity:

 

Takeaway?  Any and all policies, rules, etc. can be misused, have outliers, etc.  The answer is to address the instances of misuse/misapplication.

That is NOT what happened with DEI.  It, instead, became a not-even-subtle codeword for "reverse discrimination, we must protect our white men!"

Oh, and DEI isn't just for large organizations.  I work in a mid-size outfit, and if all we did was interview and hire lawyers through our existing network, we'd be limiting the fuck out of our pool.  Having an approach that has us look at a broad spectrum of schools, including places that none of us attended, gives us a much better sample size to hire from.  When it comes time to hire, we're still going to hire the best candidate who seems like they can perform the specific job the best, but it also means that we may have a minority candidate or two in the mix when we otherwise wouldn't have. 

And truthfully, that cuts in ALL directions, or it can at a given point in time.  Take into account this fact: 60% of college students are female.  At many law schools, nearly 70% of the student body is female.  If a law firm wants to have diverse perspectives, and attorneys who are familiar with and adept at communicating in and across gender lines, it would seem wise to try to make sure that you at least have decent outreach to the males in the student body, so they drop their resumes too.  You still may end up hiring women at a 60-40 clip, because you're going to hire the best candidate for a job, but if you don't get but one male resume for a job, and 10 female resumes, then your odds of hiring a male have dropped below what the baseline should be.

None of this matters, though.  Because politically, the term "DEI" doesn't have anything to do with that.  It means that any policy that doesn't default to white males, and hiring through existing networks (which historically and to present, for many higher-end jobs, are dominated by white men who know other white men), must be banned.

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1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

I got tired of seeing people post hateful comments about a man who was shot in the neck in front of his wife and kids with little to no actual knowledge about his beliefs.

You are entitled to your opinion about his ideologies, and I don’t hate you for having them.

 

 

If he had not been a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, disingenuous, right-wing troll, I bet more people would be speaking kindly of him. 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Sheila Jackson Lee- Education- NYU, UVA, Yale-Juris Doctorate

Lauren Boebart- Education- GED

Marjorie Taylor Greene- Education- Georgia-BBA

Mike Johnson-Education-LSU Juris Doctorate

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Ketanji Jackson Brown- Education- Harvard-Juris Doctorate

Chief Justice John Roberts Education- Harvard- Juris Doctorate

Samuel Alito- Education-Princeton, Yale- Juris Doctorate

Neil Gorsuch- Education- Columbia, Harvard, Oxford Dphil

Brett Kavanaugh- Education- Yale-Juris Doctorate

Amy Coney Barrett- Education- Rhodes College, Notre Dame- Juris Doctorate

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Michelle Obama -Education- Princeton, Harvard Juris Doctorate

Melania Trump- Education- One year at University of Ljubljana

Jill Biden- Education- University of Delaware, Villanova, West Chester College- MD

Laura Bush- SMU, University of Texas MLS

Hillary Clinton- Education- Wellesley College, Yale- JD

Barbara Bush- Education- One year at Smith College

Nancy Reagan- Education- Smith College BA

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Joy Reid- Education- Harvard-BA

Sean Hannity- Education- NYU did not graduate

Laura Ingraham- Education- Dartmouth, University of Virginia JD

Charlie Kirk- Education- One semester at Harper College 

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 If their were names or faces attached to each one of these all 4 women are absolutely being brought in for an interview. Each one of these black women has a more impressive resume than almost anyone else in their peer group. The fact that you cannot process that is an indictment on you and your brain power. 

What you fail to comprehend is that they believe it’s DEI all the way down. Admission to undergrad?  DEI. Passing classes and graduating? DEI. Or affirmative action since these particular women are older and these accomplishments predate the term DEI. 



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