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Things not going well in Venezuela

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46 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Oh, and before American oil companies go in there, we probably should, and I'm just spitballin' here, we can workshop the details later on, but I think we should probably secure the country first. We start sending in oilfield workers and engineers without, I dunno, having boots on the ground, well I don't think it will end well.

And that's putting aside the fact that it's not really our business to help companies deal with really bad decisions on where they invested in the first place.

Venezuelan defence minister calls US attack 'criminal', urges international response | Watch

All I see is someone talking Mexican and a woke sign language interpreter. How can anyone know what’s being said

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  • So, just so we're clear on your logical consistencies: Supplying weapons and funding to a sovereign nation who was invaded unprovoked by a country with a heavily vested interest in destabilizing the

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18 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Not even in the slightest. Try: China and Russia are doing whatever they want to do, regardless of the U.S. adherence (or not) to any UN charter. The rules-based international order assumes good actors who are responsive to other nations opinions of them, which Russia and China are not. We may not like it, but we've been in a might-makes-right world for a long, long time, we just papered over it. U.S. military might is the only thing that keeps China out of Taiwan today and most of the reason Ukraine still stands as a nation.

US military might keeps China out of Taiwan? But they're going to take it anyway because they do whatever they want? Can you at least try to be consistent?

1 minute ago, Laxtonto said:

Nope, it would be an attack on a Panamanian ship (most likely or maybe the Bahamas), and international law would apply. Would the US still get pissed off at them? Absolutely. Would the US attack them outright, maybe. But most importantly, those ships were already under the legal protection of a nation, and as such, attacking them would then be seen as an attack on that nation itself. My guess would be the US would intervene on Panama's behalf and bomb the hell out of them anyway because Panama most likely could not.

There is a reason why almost all open ocean-going vessels are flagged. It provides them with legal status in international waters. Many ships are convenience-flagged for various reasons (taxes, safety regulations, passage rights, etc.) in a variety of countries that are not their company/industry/crew's home port. This is also why unflagged vessels are pursued, boarded, and even sunk, as they are stateless and therefore can be treated with suspicion and subject to forcible interdiction. Also, all flagged vessels are then subject to the standard customs, forms, required documentation, and inspections when entering a port of call from international waters.

I stopped reading after this. Because you're an idiot.

The Lusitania tells me that

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

US military might keeps China out of Taiwan? But they're going to take it anyway because they do whatever they want? Can you at least try to be consistent?

Doublethink is a hell of a drug

9 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

Nope, it would be an attack on a Panamanian ship (most likely or maybe the Bahamas), and international law would apply. Would the US still get pissed off at them? Absolutely. Would the US attack them outright, maybe. But most importantly, those ships were already under the legal protection of a nation, and as such, attacking them would then be seen as an attack on that nation itself. My guess would be the US would intervene on Panama's behalf and bomb the hell out of them anyway because Panama most likely could not.

There is a reason why almost all open ocean-going vessels are flagged. It provides them with legal status in international waters. Many ships are convenience-flagged for various reasons (taxes, safety regulations, passage rights, etc.) in a variety of countries that are not their company/industry/crew's home port. This is also why unflagged vessels are pursued, boarded, and even sunk, as they are stateless and therefore can be treated with suspicion and subject to forcible interdiction. Also, all flagged vessels are then subject to the standard customs, forms, required documentation, and inspections when entering a port of call from international waters.

Cool. Today I learned an attack on an American cruise line, specifically on a ship that originated in the US and full of Americans, would not be considered a crime under US law, only "international law." Nice job, Counselor.

5 minutes ago, Jameslaw121 said:

I stopped reading after this. Because you're an idiot.

The Lusitania tells me that

I ignored the post that led you to ask him a q because I couldn't get past the first sentence -- it was so dumb. But I had to read the answer to your follow-up q. Too funny.

3 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

lol Trump hates those people

Where are the ICE agents?

16 minutes ago, Chopper said:

US military might keeps China out of Taiwan? But they're going to take it anyway because they do whatever they want? Can you at least try to be consistent?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? More than one thing can be true at the same time:

  • China doesn't invade Taiwan (yet) due to it's military's inability to actually do it, AND

  • Because of the U.S. military backstop of Taiwan, AND

  • China is still doing whatever the fuck they want in the SCS like militarizing islands, ramming Philippine boats, and illegally claiming huge swaths of territory for resource extraction in violation of UN charter and International laws - as well as many other areas that concern the U.S. like hacking our infrastructure, committing genocide, illegally claiming territory and more.

14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It fucking boggles the mind that anyone could look at this and not be deeply embarrassed. These are the masterminds executing this brilliant tactical incursion.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska is realizing what will happen, when the US get control over Venezuela's oil reserves: "If our American "partners" get to the oil fields of Venezuela (and they have already reached the fields of Guyana), they will control more than half of the world's oil reserves. And, apparently, their plan is to ensure that the price of our oil does not rise above $50 per barrel."

Hence, Cody Campbell and TTU NIL in shambles.

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

I know little about the oil business but isn't Venezuela's oil considered very low quality to the point where it makes no sense to extract it at current prices? Makes me think this is more about creating a diversion from the Epstein files and for fascism to flex its muscles for domestic purposes.

Our Gulf Coast refineries are specifically built to refine it.

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Fascinating how folks dive into the weeds, while the neon signs blink these messages: turnip is risking some of our son’s and daughter’s lives towards his goal of lining his own pockets, and, once again, Republicans are taking this country into costly hostilities, after cutting taxes for the rich, thus exploding the deficit, towards the goal of dismantling the safety net, because deficit. And that screws all our sons and daughters.

Fuck the shiteaters.

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1 minute ago, Chopper said:

That's basically where we're at: the supreme court will rubber stamp anything trump does, so is anything ACTUALLY illegal? I don't think so, as long as der Furher does it

The Presidents of Mexico and Colombia are both democratically elected, not dictators.

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I am so tired of this imperial shit man.

All this shit about right wing populism America first bringing back isolationism was just more bullshit. More lies. And all the supposed peace people like Tulsi don't give a shit. More grifters and bullshitters.

Trump never ceases to disappoint me, no matter how low my opinion of him is. It is truly amazing.

fwiw, it doesn't sound like the oil industry is even particularly keen on oil in Venezuela

But people in the industry said the administration’s message has left them still leery about the difficulty of rebuilding decayed oil fields in a country where it’s not even clear who will lead the country for the foreseeable future.

“They’re saying, ‘you gotta go in if you want to play and get reimbursed,’” said one industry official familiar with the conversations.

The offer has been on the table for the last 10 days, the person said. “But the infrastructure currently there is so dilapidated that no one at these companies can adequately assess what is needed to make it operable.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/03/trump-venezuela-oil-us-companies-return-00709782

But dotard has committed the US taxpayer to paying for the oil infra in VE anyway.

“In preparation for regime change, there had been engagement. But it’s been sporadic and relatively flatly received by the industry,” this person said. “It feels very much a shoot-ready-aim exercise.”


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Russian foreign ministry reaction to the Venezuela operation:

“We firmly call on the U.S. leadership to reconsider this position and release the lawfully elected president of a sovereign country and his wife. Venezuela must be guaranteed the right to determine its own future without destructive external interference, particularly of a military nature.

Really??

From The Atlantic:

The Chinese, too, are absolutely shocked that a great power is menacing a small neighbor and inflicting regime change by military force. China, the foreign ministry in Beijing said, “is deeply shocked”—at least it wasn’t shocked and stunned—“and strongly condemns the use of force by the U.S. against a sovereign country and the use of force against the president of a country.”

Noble words. And then, like the Russians, the Chinese dared the world to laugh out loud: “China firmly opposes such hegemonic behavior by the U.S., which seriously violates international law, violates Venezuela’s sovereignty, and threatens peace and security in Latin America and the Caribbean. We urge the U.S. to abide by international law and the purposes and principles of the UN Charter and stop violating the sovereignty and security of other countries.”

Only two days ago, however, China engaged in military exercises that included surrounding Taiwan and then firing missiles in the waters around the island. A giant nation regularly running war games aimed at invading its tiny neighbor—and threatening Japan, for good measure—counts as “hegemonic behavior” that threatens the “peace and security” of a region, and China knows it.

2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I am so tired of this imperial shit man.

All this shit about right wing populism America first bringing back isolationism was just more bullshit. More lies. And all the supposed peace people like Tulsi don't give a shit. More grifters and bullshitters.

Trump never ceases to disappoint me, no matter how low my opinion of him is. It is truly amazing.

A right-wing, pseudo-Christian, nationalist government that demonizes immigrants and has a taste for imperialism. Why does that sound familiar?

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

not fake - caveats with "contrary to int'l law"

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Intentionally or not, Farage is making a cigar pun with his last sentence. "Maduro" is a type of cigar featuring a dark, mature type of tobacco leaf.

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Citgo is not low quality

Wait, haven’t you been gone for a long time?

I have like many of you so many questions few answers for how any of this will play out…and I sincerely hope better for Venezuela than this played out for Panama but…

Does anyone have pics of the amphibious vessel we employed in our military op? Are they costly? Like if previously used could you buy them online? Are they good for night fishing? Asking for a friend, could they be used in lakes?

All kidding aside, so Russia would be cool with the USA capturing Cuba? 🇨🇺 Greenland is a sitting duck. I mean if Greenland is CLEARLY a goal of ours aren’t we advertising by our Marduro snatch and grab that the first country to invade Greenland wins? Head is spinning with all this shit. I can only just hope for the best because what’s been done cannot be undone. Damn.

1 hour ago, Jameslaw121 said:

Just want to be clear. If a country bombs a carnival cruise line in international waters, it's not an attack on Americans because "international waters?"

Is this on the table? Because a few less floating Wal-Marts might be a good thing.

It’s increasingly clear the admin doesn’t have a plan for what happens after they kidnapped Maduro, this is going to be a shit show

20 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

The Presidents of Mexico and Colombia are both democratically elected, not dictators.

Can you prove that? How can we even know?

Asking for a friend.

6 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Is this on the table? Because a few less floating Wal-Marts might be a good thing.

Would definitely be a big hit to MAGAs voting pool.

I banged a chick with a Honda emblem tattoo on the back of her neck on a Carnival cruise /csb

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3 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I banged a chick with a Honda emblem tattoo on the back of her neck on a Carnival cruise /csb

Now THIS, gentlemen, is how you humblebrag.

13 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Russian foreign ministry reaction to the Venezuela operation:

Really??

From The Atlantic:

Well, the Chinese insist that invading Taiwan would be totally legal under international law and spend a lot of time trying to diplomatically trick other countries into agreeing. Then they say “no backsies.”

This really isn’t an exaggeration.

6 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

I banged a chick with a Honda emblem tattoo on the back of her neck on a Carnival cruise /csb

I’d like for you start a thread that gives more detail on the decisions you made in life that led you to this moment.

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

I’d like for you start a thread that gives more detail on the decisions you made in life that led you to this moment.

College. Poorish. $650 all inclusive 5 days. Piano bar. Fin.

16 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Would definitely be a big hit to MAGAs voting pool.

I banged a chick with a Honda emblem tattoo on the back of her neck on a Carnival cruise /csb

How was the penicillin in a random Mexican port?

5 hours ago, elguapo said:

What exactly about this current admin makes you think they are capable of pulling off something as complex as a peaceful regime change?

You’re probably right, but I’m not rooting for our failure, those citizens deserve a shot. Frankly ours too. Many millions of our citizens are from there or related in some way.

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska is realizing what will happen, when the US get control over Venezuela's oil reserves: "If our American "partners" get to the oil fields of Venezuela (and they have already reached the fields of Guyana), they will control more than half of the world's oil reserves. And, apparently, their plan is to ensure that the price of our oil does not rise above $50 per barrel."

I have zero doubt that 70% of the country will forget about the Epstein Files if gas drops below $1/gallon.

49 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

The Presidents of Mexico and Colombia are both democratically elected, not dictators.

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11 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

You’re probably right, but I’m not rooting for our failure, those citizens deserve a shot. Frankly ours too. Many millions of our citizens are from there or related in some way.

There are less than one million Venezuelan immigrants in the U.S.

20 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

College. Poorish. $650 all inclusive 5 days. Piano bar. Fin.

Cruise was 5 days but the herpes is for life

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5 hours ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

Some of you having zero ability to admit this potentially is a good thing for US interest are as bad as the right wingers who tried to spin the Obama admin taking out UBL in Pakistan as a bad thing. With Trump we gotta take an occasional good with the bad. Devil is in the details for sure though.

Some of us judge Al Capone by his murders and rackets, not the soup kitchens that he also funded. "Taking the good with the bad" will not include me supporting trump's illegal and immoral actions, no matter what benefits might come from them.

2 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Some of us judge Al Capone by his murders and rackets, not the soup kitchens that he also funded. "Taking the good with the bad" will not include me supporting trump's illegal and immoral actions, no matter what benefits might come from them.

Especially when this is just another abuse of executive power.

5 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

This is nothing like taking out bin Ladin

Where did all these paint eaters come from JFC

Why do you believe that? I consider many cartel leaders as equals to Bin Laden in world suffering. This one actually ran a whole country too. Maybe this turns out to be a disaster, who the fuck knows, but I know Maduro was a terrible human being. If we could do the same to Putin without causing the destruction of society I’d support that too. Taking out murderous dictators use to be a goal of the world. Now it’s wag your finger but do nothing. I think it’s because it’s Trump nobody can say it just might be the right thing to do. Trump completely fucking up Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Gaza doesn’t mean I want this to fail too. Just means the track record ain’t great.

2 minutes ago, Hook'Em0608 said:

I consider many cartel leaders as equals to Bin Laden in world suffering

Then you are a moron

5 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

There are less than one million Venezuelan immigrants in the U.S.

Okay, but one is Jose Altuve. He’s a tiny little saint!

Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska is realizing what will happen, when the US get control over Venezuela's oil reserves: "If our American "partners" get to the oil fields of Venezuela (and they have already reached the fields of Guyana), they will control more than half of the world's oil reserves. And, apparently, their plan is to ensure that the price of our oil does not rise above $50 per barrel."

American producers can't make money at $50 per barrel, but bankrupting 400 mom and pop o and g companies worked so well for fat boy in 2018. Let's try it again.
2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Then you are a moron

No, I don’t have my head in my ass. Killers are killers. Motivation is irrelevant to their victims. Whether it’s to please their sky daddy or to suppress a populace it’s evil.

Laxtono sounds like a kid who just made a 1 on the AP World History Exam.

Just now, Hook'Em0608 said:

No, I don’t have my head in my ass. Killers are killers. Motivation is irrelevant to their victims. Whether it’s to please their sky daddy or to suppress a populace it’s evil.

We have a pedophile,convicted felon, fascist at our helm. What should happen there?

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