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9 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Did they change the definition of the word “immediately” and I missed the memo? They spent months begging him to please be a good boy and give them back.

As soon as they had good evidence of criminal intent and violation of the grand jury subpoena, they indicted.

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9 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

100% bullshit. The fucking Supreme Court had already given him immunity for all the shit he had done in the past. You say Biden wanted to uphold the integrity of the DOJ and legal at large when everyone knew we were already 95% of the way to a banana republic and I’m absolutely not buying it.
 

There are names in those files his administration and the Democratic Party have as much interest in keeping out of the public’s eyes as Trump has in keeping his name out and that’s why nothing was done.
 

You’re going to go down with the sinking ship your beloved legal system has become. I get it. But it’s ludicrous to the rest of us. 

What do you think is going to happen If this material is released?  What difference is it going to make to anything?

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This South Park thing seems to be all over the place today, I honestly didn’t know it was still relevant. I thought it was like the Simpsons or the last 15 years of Johnny Carson; sort of a grand old media institute that everyone knows but not very important anymore.
was my impression wrong? Do a lot of people still pay attention to SP or did this go viral overnight and draw the attention?

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Funniest part of this is Cartman's voice for Trump.  Like Trump is just an older Cartman.

It’s the same voice Trey and Matt used for Saddam Hussein in the movie and a couple of regular episodes.
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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This South Park thing seems to be all over the place today, I honestly didn’t know it was still relevant. I thought it was like the Simpsons or the last 15 years of Johnny Carson; sort of a grand old media institute that everyone knows but not very important anymore.
was my impression wrong? Do a lot of people still pay attention to SP or did this go viral overnight and draw the attention?

This is going to go viral overnight. It effectively already has.

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12 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Funniest part of this is Cartman's voice for Trump.  Like Trump is just an older Cartman.

I dunno, the tiny, shriveled penis as Donald Trump approving the political message was pretty fucking brilliant.

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22 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Also, Merrick Garland is a bowl of room temperature pudding. 

Also this.

My guess as to what's in the Epstein files is a lot of shit implicating some people who are dead or are so old they might as well be dead in crimes, and embarrassing many more who were friends with Epstein and very likely knew he was a pedo but didn't care, and both of those groups of people were/are wealthy and connected people so I'm sure there's plenty of people on both sides of the political aisle who would prefer they not be released because their associations with them would be embarrassing. There's probably also a lot of evidence of overseas financial transactions with Epstein's foreign collaborators that the DOJ didn't really care enough to chase down once Epstein killed himself, especially after they had to pivot to focus on prosecuting 1/6 assholes.

Garland and most of Biden's administration thought Trump would slink away quietly after he lost (this is well documented and I'm not going to re-litigate this if anyone has the urge to argue), their norms and rules didn't permit releasing the Epstein files, and they would've been concerned about the impact releasing the files could've had on their own friends and associates. I could even believe that they were never even consciously thinking about potential impact on friends and associates, and just were being "good" little rules followers, because that's who Merrick Garland is and that's who most mainstream Democratic public officials are, especially those who are lawyers. I don't believe that, I expect there were at least some people high up on Biden's DOJ who were worried about that, but that wasn't even necessary for Biden's DOJ not to release the files.

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23 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This South Park thing seems to be all over the place today, I honestly didn’t know it was still relevant. I thought it was like the Simpsons or the last 15 years of Johnny Carson; sort of a grand old media institute that everyone knows but not very important anymore.
was my impression wrong? Do a lot of people still pay attention to SP or did this go viral overnight and draw the attention?

For all I know, South Park has been off the air for 10 years.  If that's really the case, and Trey and Matt brought it out of retirement just for this lone dig at Donald Trump, I applaud them as true patriots.

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25 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This South Park thing seems to be all over the place today, I honestly didn’t know it was still relevant. I thought it was like the Simpsons or the last 15 years of Johnny Carson; sort of a grand old media institute that everyone knows but not very important anymore.
was my impression wrong? Do a lot of people still pay attention to SP or did this go viral overnight and draw the attention?

It's more popular with GenX/Millenial men and we're some of the assholes that need to see it the most.

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6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

For all I know, South Park has been off the air for 10 years.  If that's really the case, and Trey and Matt brought it out of retirement just for this lone dig at Donald Trump, I applaud them as true patriots.

It's still been going. Paramount just gave them an enormous new contract. It just lost all cultural relevance the past few years, particularly beginning with covid. It became a huge fucking bummer then and I think most people quit watching. 

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Goddam, conservatives just have the worst media literacy

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It's still been going. Paramount just gave them an enormous new contract. It just lost all cultural relevance the past few years, particularly beginning with covid. It became a huge fucking bummer then and I think most people quit watching. 

I loved it when I was a teenage nihilist, but grew up and realized that it's actually cool to care about things a lot, not even just a little. I've read in a few places that the last couple of seasons have improved a lot and that Matt/Trey realized that their stupid "both sides"  and "I hate conservatives but I really fucking hate liberals" philosophies maybe weren't actually all that great. Haven't cared enough to see for myself, but after that episode I may check out at least one or two

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Regarding the names in the files that each political party wishes to keep out of the public eye, what do you think is going to be seen in the files? Does anyone think there will be a memo that says "Jim Smith, CEO of Whatever, is on video engaging in sex with what appears to be a minor, named XXX XXXXXXX, who was then located and interviewed and we confirmed she was 16 and there against her will. Jim Smith donated $$$$$ to these 15 Senators and these 3 Presidents over the last two decades." Do you think that's what's in the files and nothing was done?

What if it's "Jim Smith, CEO of Whatever, is shown in a photograph with Epstein on his island and is on the flight logs on this date." What's being done now because "we all know if you're on the island you're a pedophile?" Beyond a reasonable doubt is a pretty high burden of proof with no witnesses testifying Jim Smith did anything inappropriate. If the report continues "Jim Smith was interviewed and advised Whatever was working on a deal with Epstein, who invited him to the island and the Whatever Board recommended Jim Smith make the trip in an effort to close the deal." Do you think Jim Smith is getting prosecuted for anything? 

How many names are in the files of just people who attended a party at Epstein's because it's big wig NYC scene? Bill Robinson who was the Junior VP of Lending was sent to the party by his higher ups and he never actually met Epstein, but now Bill Robinson is a child predator? Has anyone read the "files released" by the administration that proves beyond doubt that Obama committed treason? Did you read that and think, "yep, that's treason" or maybe more likely "wtf, that doesn't prove anything." If somehow the complete Epstein files are released people will see what they want, as always. Their team's guy is named in the files so he's a child rapist, but my team's guy named in there has a reasonable explanation and isn't a child rapist.

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46 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This South Park thing seems to be all over the place today, I honestly didn’t know it was still relevant. I thought it was like the Simpsons or the last 15 years of Johnny Carson; sort of a grand old media institute that everyone knows but not very important anymore.
was my impression wrong? Do a lot of people still pay attention to SP or did this go viral overnight and draw the attention?

I think being so close to the Colbert cancelation re-upped it's relevance, at least for this episode. 

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42 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Also this.

My guess as to what's in the Epstein files is a lot of shit implicating some people who are dead or are so old they might as well be dead in crimes, and embarrassing many more who were friends with Epstein and very likely knew he was a pedo but didn't care, and both of those groups of people were/are wealthy and connected people so I'm sure there's plenty of people on both sides of the political aisle who would prefer they not be released because their associations with them would be embarrassing. There's probably also a lot of evidence of overseas financial transactions with Epstein's foreign collaborators that the DOJ didn't really care enough to chase down once Epstein killed himself, especially after they had to pivot to focus on prosecuting 1/6 assholes.

Garland and most of Biden's administration thought Trump would slink away quietly after he lost (this is well documented and I'm not going to re-litigate this if anyone has the urge to argue), their norms and rules didn't permit releasing the Epstein files, and they would've been concerned about the impact releasing the files could've had on their own friends and associates. I could even believe that they were never even consciously thinking about potential impact on friends and associates, and just were being "good" little rules followers, because that's who Merrick Garland is and that's who most mainstream Democratic public officials are, especially those who are lawyers. I don't believe that, I expect there were at least some people high up on Biden's DOJ who were worried about that, but that wasn't even necessary for Biden's DOJ not to release the files.

Yeah, I think that about covers it.  Not some grand conspiracy.

I'm all for turning the right's tactics on them in the public sphere, which includes feeding them conspiracy theories that hurt Trump and lying "our" collective asses off.

But when it comes to conversation and discussion amongst the rationals, I think we should avoid disinformation and conspiracy theories as much as possible, if not completely.

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57 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This South Park thing seems to be all over the place today, I honestly didn’t know it was still relevant. I thought it was like the Simpsons or the last 15 years of Johnny Carson; sort of a grand old media institute that everyone knows but not very important anymore.
was my impression wrong? Do a lot of people still pay attention to SP or did this go viral overnight and draw the attention?

Bouncing around the streaming world with mini-seasons and multi-episode specials made it almost impossible to figure out when/where to watch the new stuff and if there even were going to be traditional "seasons" moving forward. Then the world because exceedingly difficult/depressing to satire.

But releasing this essentially the day after signing a massive contract from the network that's most notably bending over for Trump is definitely going to garner some cultural relevance.

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, I think that about covers it.  Not some grand conspiracy.

I'm all for turning the right's tactics on them in the public sphere, which includes feeding them conspiracy theories that hurt Trump and lying "our" collective asses off.

But when it comes to conversation and discussion amongst the rationals, I think we should avoid disinformation and conspiracy theories as much as possible, if not completely.

I mean, technically speaking there is some sort of conspiracy. Epstein had European connections who found young girls in Europe for him and he was paying them and many girls in Europe (presumably girls he’d abused or exploited until they got too old for him). It sure seems like a couple other rich assholes in the NY beauty pageant/model scene may have been criminally involved with him as well, including Trump. 
 

I also don’t entirely discount the theory that Epstein used his parties with these girls to develop blackmail material on a bunch of his associates, who didn’t know the girls were underage (but should’ve known). I doubt he was doing it as a mossad agent as some of the more antisemitic theories posit, more likely he would’ve doing it for his own ends. But that’s still a radically different conspiracy theory than theories about huge pedophile cabals.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I mean, technically speaking there is some sort of conspiracy. Epstein had European connections who found young girls in Europe for him and he was paying them and many girls in Europe (presumably girls he’d abused or exploited until they got too old for him). It sure seems like a couple other rich assholes in the NY beauty pageant/model scene may have been criminally involved with him as well, including Trump. 
 

I also don’t entirely discount the theory that Epstein used his parties with these girls to develop blackmail material on a bunch of his associates, who didn’t know the girls were underage (but should’ve known). I doubt he was doing it as a mossad agent as some of the more antisemitic theories posit, more likely he would’ve doing it for his own ends. But that’s still a radically different conspiracy theory than theories about huge pedophile cabals.

Do you think any of this would be revealed by the Epstein files?

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Copied and pasted from several tweets:

Think about the timeline.

Before Trump was named:
"We’ll release the full list."
"Justice for the victims."
"The people deserve transparency."

After:
"There is no list. Case closed."
"Nothing credible left to release."
"Move on. It's old news."

He's trying to bury the truth.

The FBI wasn’t protecting children. 
The DOJ wasn’t protecting privacy.
They were protecting Trump.

And they used the full weight of the federal government to do it.

If you ever wondered what a major cover-up looks like, this is it.

So now they keep screaming about Obama.
About Russia. About anything but Epstein.

It’s not just misdirection—it’s desperation.
Because the truth is incriminating.
And they’re doing everything they can to keep it buried.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s a cover-up. 
And it implicates the president, the DOJ, and the FBI.

A massive effort to protect a global child trafficking network—and the powerful men entangled in it, including Trump.

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Do you think any of this would be revealed by the Epstein files?

Yeah? I would expect they include much of the same information on financial transactions that Ron Wyden has been investigating, and probably evidence and case notes regarding his associates and potential accomplices. There was a pretty substantial case compiled around his first arrest, and after he served his sentence he basically went right back to doing the same shit. A lot of his financial activity between his first and second arrests is already known thanks to a New York Department of Financial Services investigation into Deutsche Bank:

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With respect to the case of Jeffrey Epstein, the Bank failed to properly monitor account activity conducted on behalf of the registered sex offender despite ample information that was publicly available concerning the circumstances surrounding Mr. Epstein’s earlier criminal misconduct. The result was that the Bank processed hundreds of transactions totaling millions of dollars that, at the very least, should have prompted additional scrutiny in light of Mr. Epstein’s history, including:

payments to individuals who were publicly alleged to have been Mr. Epstein’s co-conspirators in sexually abusing young women;
settlement payments totaling over $7 million, as well as dozens of payments to law firms totaling over $6 million for what appear to have been the legal expenses of Mr. Epstein and his co-conspirators;
payments to Russian models, payments for women’s school tuition, hotel and rent expenses, and (consistent with public allegations of prior wrongdoing) payments directly to numerous women with Eastern European surnames; and
periodic suspicious cash withdrawals — in total, more than $800,000 over approximately four years.


This substantive failure was compounded by a series of procedural failures, mistakes, and sloppiness in how the Bank managed and oversaw the Epstein accounts. For example, certain conditions imposed upon the Epstein accounts by a Bank reputational risk committee — conditions that, if followed, might have detected and prevented many subsequent suspicious transactions — (a) were not transmitted to the majority of the account relationship team; and (b) were misinterpreted by a compliance officer in a way that resulted in very little actual change in how the monitoring of the accounts occurred. Throughout the relationship, very few problematic transactions were ever questioned, and even when they were, they were usually cleared without satisfactory explanation.

 It's possible the FBI doesn't have anything more on the financial side, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did have more.  

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It will never happen, but it would be a perfect Idiocracy 2 plot to have South Park be the thing to finally take down the Trump Presidency. Not Congress. Not the Supreme Court. Not the DoJ.  Not the American voters. Not the FBI. A silly cartoon of Trump dick pics. The movie script almost writes itself. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

What do you think is going to happen If this material is released?  What difference is it going to make to anything?

Do you mean what do I think would’ve happened if it were released 18 to 24 months ago? I guess we’ll never know.

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Do you mean what do I think would’ve happened if it were released 18 to 24 months ago? I guess we’ll never know.

You think the taint would have cost Trump the election?  

Information that is, for the most part, already out there?

It's just more fuel for inconclusive shit-slinging that's not going to change anyone's mind.  And some actually innocent people might get burned in the process.

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It's now moved beyond the Epstein files and into coverup stage, which we all know is often worse than the actual crime. 

Trump had 1000 FBI agents tasked with reading through the documents, searching for HIS name? Who paid for this?  Why weren't these FBI agents doing their jobs of figthing crime and defending the U.S. against enemies? 

Holy FUCK! 

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Just now, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

It's now moved beyond the Epstein files and into coverup stage, which we all know is often worse than the actual crime. 

Trump had 1000 FBI agents tasked with reading through the documents, searching for HIS name? Who paid for this?  Why weren't these FBI agents doing their jobs of figthing crime and defending the U.S. against enemies? 

Holy FUCK! 

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3 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

It's now moved beyond the Epstein files and into coverup stage, which we all know is often worse than the actual crime. 

Trump had 1000 FBI agents tasked with reading through the documents, searching for HIS name? Who paid for this?  Why weren't these FBI agents doing their jobs of figthing crime and defending the U.S. against enemies? 

Holy FUCK! 

But is there anyone, anywhere still left with the power to investigate those questions and actually do something useful with the answers?

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You think the taint would have cost Trump the election?  

Information that is, for the most part, already out there?

It's just more fuel for inconclusive shit-slinging that's not going to change anyone's mind.  And some actually innocent people might get burned in the process.

Yeah, I actually do think it would’ve made a big difference and it probably would’ve made it poison for RFK Jr  to throw in with him.

 

Of course, the biggest difference would’ve been if Biden had announced at the end of his first year in office that he wasn’t seeking reelection and there have been a real primary season

And it would’ve made a big difference Had Merrick Garland thrown everything  including the kitchen sink at him from a DOJ. Take a page out of the Trump playbook. Even if it was just to tie him up trying to play defense without any possibility of any of it taking.

 

 But as usual, the attempts brought a bread knife to a Thermonuclear war

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

You think the taint would have cost Trump the election?  

Information that is, for the most part, already out there?

It's just more fuel for inconclusive shit-slinging that's not going to change anyone's mind.  And some actually innocent people might get burned in the process.


I disagree with not changing anybody's mind. I just asked two people who I know voted for Trump if it comes out that he used taxpayer dollars to pay for 1000 FBI agents to scour the files if that would be acceptable and BOTH of them said it would not. 

It's quite easily understood that these are the actions of a guilty man. 

Also, I think they are ready to jettison Trump and put Vance in. They realize that Vance has no baggage, would be more effective at carrying out their agenda, and would not have a giant layer of stank all over him that would weigh on the 2026 election.  

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I don’t think you can overstate how challenging this is to the worldview they’ve cultivated in their base and how shook they are at an individual level. This was posted by elderly friend who is former Texas GOP officer on FB a 10 days ago. There’s a lot of textual anxiety here. He usually posts something political 3-4X/week and hasn’t posted a thing about Trump or anything directly partisan since. 
I think it’s possible that the only lie they  won’t accept under any circumstances is that there is no conspiracy. 


“OPINION.....EPSTEIN'S DEATH....i don't for a second believe he committed suicide. Dr, Baden a very respected medical examiner said the hyiod bone was not broken. every cop in cop 101 is taught that a broken hyoid bone is evidence of a suicide by hanging or strangulation. the fact that the two guards were not observing a high profile prisoner and the tape of his cell mysteriously malfunctioned suggests coverup. a prisoner interviewed that was in that cell stated there was no possibility of anything that could have been used to do a suicide by hanging. in all likelihood he was smothered to death. Epstein had nothing to lose, even if he got life, he would have been housed in a prime federal facility and could have written an expose. and do you think for one minute the names on the list and people in those tapes would have not gotten him the best of the best, chances are he would have been out on parole in 18 months. rermember, he killed no one.  now the fact that Trump, Kash and Bongino, all highly respected for truth bearers suddenly are claiming suicide leads me to believe that the list and tapes contained in addition to reputation damage information and maybe pedophile charges highly valuable leverage, against some future adversary, there could be no other reason for such an obvious coverup other than an intelligent chess move. the fact that Epstein's woman is still alive just suggests that she was smart enough to put the word out that three client list and sets of tapes exists, all given to unnamed parties to be given to the media upon her having any sudden and suspicious death, another intelligent chess move. who do you believe?

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It's now moved beyond the Epstein files and into coverup stage, which we all know is often worse than the actual crime. 

Trump had 1000 FBI agents tasked with reading through the documents, searching for HIS name? Who paid for this?  Why weren't these FBI agents doing their jobs of figthing crime and defending the U.S. against enemies? 

Holy FUCK! 

Not so fast my friend. With Watergate, for example, the coverup was 100x worse than the actual crime.

If Trump fucked underage girls with Jeff Epstein (or course he did), no coverup short of murder will be worse than the actual crime(s) in this instance.
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