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It’s a lot to ask but Dems better be ready because we all see this coming:
 

This is the play.
We all see it.
And it will work. Because Trump voters are the dumbest, most malignant cultists who have ever walked this earth. That includes @RollLeft
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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Oh my fucking god. 

"Yeah, the thing they've been doing literally forever, the thing that's brought us to the brink of ruin, is how we'll get out of this." Stop this nonsense. When the other team is begging you to stop running the play that they can't stop, you keep running that fucking play

 

Greg Davis would like to have a word with you

 

34 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

And yet the overwhelming majority of Americans never knew most of it. That's a media failure and that's a failure of the opposing political party. 

I mean, just imagine if every fucking TV ad showing an immigrant minor forced to have gender surgery had been followed by a clip about Trump and Epstein and all of the shit that goes along with that. Who knows?

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6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I mean, just imagine if every fucking TV ad showing an immigrant minor forced to have gender surgery had been followed by a clip about Trump and Epstein and all of the shit that goes along with that. Who knows?

They weren't really into the whole "Let's draw attention to the fact that he is perhaps the worst person in the country" thing. I guess there was too much ammunition to use so they just really didn't use any of it.

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14 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

 

Greg Davis would like to have a word with you

 

I mean, just imagine if every fucking TV ad showing an immigrant minor forced to have gender surgery had been followed by a clip about Trump and Epstein and all of the shit that goes along with that. Who knows?

No, it was much more important to tell people that republicans are right that trans people are gross and trying to harm their kids.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, he can't really argue that it was wEaPoNizAtion.  This may be the pardon that Trump can't actually justify to himself or anyone else.

There is, however, "substantial assistance" under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 35.  https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_35

But, it requires the cooperation of her sentencing judge.

 

I understand the concept of a plea deal if a defendant agrees to cooperate to provide the DA or AG with information that can lead to the arrest or conviction of more or larger targets. However she had those chances and was ultimately convicted and sentenced. Now perhaps a couple of years incarceration has changed her mind in terms of cooperating for a deal, but that should go through the legal process not a pardon. At least not initially.

It will also be very sketchy, never unexpected with the Trump admin, if any deal is related to saying that Trump never did anything wrong. Why in the world should someone be freed for not implicating someone?

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

(Maxwell, reading from written remarks handed to her by Todd Blanch) "I actually only very recently became aware of the existence of Donald Trump. The people involved with all the child rape were Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Jill Biden, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, and screw it let's say Pete Buttigieg too, and Gavin Newsom." 

Also Nancy Pelosi and Dr. Anthony Fauci. 

Posted
1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

What are the grey areas Twice is missing?

What do you disagree with in his post that you quoted? 

 

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

We have a handful that have come forward and then mostly disappeared.  Paid off? Intimidated?  Who knows.

What we seem to lack are willing, credible witnesses.

And, if you believe that law enforcement was unwilling to prosecute for reasons unrelated to the evidence, what makes you think they'll be willing to prosecute now?

Why were Epstein and Maxwell prosecuted at all?

Again, we weren't really even trying to prosecute anyone. The first round we slapped Epstein on the wrist. A journalist had to go out and dig up witnesses for it to even get the attention of the nation. Only then were we even interested in pressing forward. Then people started getting suicided. 

We really do not even know how much effort was made to get anyone else or what witnesses really had to say. I am of the opinion that no effort was made past Epstein and then we quickly made sure we got rid of him. I personally think that just like with Epstein, if the people would put pressure on the administration, they would fold just like they did before. What the admin is banking on is a short attention span with the American people. 

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Posted (edited)

That pardon is going to break the internet.  It's also the kind of thing that causes people to have breaks with reality.

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This is going to be fascinating. "Well I voted for him because I thought he would expose all the democrats in the pedophile ring. But what he actually did was pardon the child sex trafficker. So, I guess (brain explodes)" 

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52 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 Maria Farmer wants to testify.

That's fine, but I don't know how she's providing anything new that's going to get anyone charged and convicted. She told her story back in the 90s that lead to the Epstein investigation and plea deal. 

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He is sooo gonna pardon her. Incredible.

It seems like a massive political gamble to pardon Maxwell. To even have the slightest chance of working in Trump’s favor, she would need to claim that Trump was never a part of the Epstein sex stuff while also offering up some names of offenders that could be prosecuted and satisfy the MAGA bloodlust. With just the first part, it would make no sense at all to let a known child sex trafficker go free.

Also, if Maxwell throws a few other people under the bus on Trump’s behalf, you have to worry about those people talking. They are currently quiet because they are still anonymous. It’s a mutually assured destruction situation.

All of that being said, never underestimate the ability of MAGA to be gaslighted by their orange god.
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10 minutes ago, Red Five said:

This is going to be fascinating. "Well I voted for him because I thought he would expose all the democrats in the pedophile ring. But what he actually did was pardon the child sex trafficker. So, I guess (brain explodes)" 

I'm feeling just the opposite.  This is only going to be an exercise in seeing how anti-Trumpers' brains continue to explode because they still can't fathom that he not only will get away with everything --  he will continue to laugh at them while he gets away with everything.

And he's not getting away with anything because we all knew he was a old freak nasty anyway.

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2 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

It seems like a massive political gamble to pardon Maxwell. To even have the slightest chance of working in Trump’s favor, she would need to claim that Trump was never a part of the Epstein sex stuff while also offering up some names of offenders that could be prosecuted and satisfy the MAGA bloodlust.

 

That's pretty much exactly what I'm expecting.  To get out of prison, she will say whatever she's told to say to corroborate whichever slivers of the Epstein file the bad guys want to release, while destroying the rest.

They're going to find a way to burn the Democrats with this while saving their cult leader.  And that horrific cunt is gonna lie her way out of prison, or at least into a much more comfortable one.

Why would it possibly turn out any other way?

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That's pretty much exactly what I'm expecting.  To get out of prison, she will say whatever she's told to say to corroborate whichever slivers of the Epstein file the bad guys want to release, while destroying the rest.
They're going to find a way to burn the Democrats with this while saving their cult leader.  And that horrific cunt is gonna lie her way out of prison, or at least into a much more comfortable one.
Why would it possibly turn out any other way?

That certainly could happen, and I’m not even disagreeing that it’s likely to happen, but there’s the huge risk of:
A) Everyone including MAGA being pissed that Maxwell was pardoned
B) The offenders she names suddenly want to tell all about Trump, and perhaps they have photos or other evidence
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I assume they will have her testify against anyone they can who isn't willing to send a few million in crypto to Donald's virtual slush fund. Some people with real deep pockets out there should expect a shakedown.

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Well, his base didn't give a shit when he pardoned a shitload of people who spent the better part of the day beating up cops, because they were protecting our Capitol. I'm probably giving them too much credit to think they'll care about this.

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That's pretty much exactly what I'm expecting.  To get out of prison, she will say whatever she's told to say to corroborate whichever slivers of the Epstein file the bad guys want to release, while destroying the rest.
They're going to find a way to burn the Democrats with this while saving their cult leader.  And that horrific cunt is gonna lie her way out of prison, or at least into a much more comfortable one.
Why would it possibly turn out any other way?

I think a straight out pardon following positive testimony seems a bridge too far even for the orange shitbird. It would be such an obvious maneuver even his retard base could see that, right? I mean right?
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7 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:


I think a straight out pardon following positive testimony seems a bridge too far even for the orange shitbird. It would be such an obvious maneuver even his retard base could see that, right? I mean right?

What have you seen in the past 10+ years that would give you the belief that the MAGA crowd can be reasoned with in any fashion?

They want two things: for Trump to inflict pain upon the people they don't like, and for Trump to lie about how awesome he--and by extension, America--is. 

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9 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

It would be such an obvious maneuver even his retard base could see that, right? I mean right?

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10 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:


I think a straight out pardon following positive testimony seems a bridge too far even for the orange shitbird. It would be such an obvious maneuver even his retard base could see that, right? I mean right?

No they can’t and they won’t.  He will get away with this just like everything else.  In fact, I fully expect him to sign an executive order that legalizes rape of underage girls when the President does it.  The Supreme Court will say that it is his right to do that and the Republican congress critters will say look over there at Joe Biden and his criminal enterprise and we have more important things to talk about like the economy.  It’s what this country has become.  Dumb and Evil.  

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Ghislane Maxwell is a monster. Everyone focused on Epstein's crimes understandably, but I think a lot of people (including MAGA) don't realize all the terrible things she did. 

In a fucked up way, I hope he pardons her. Either it's the ultimate backfire, or it speeds up the process of ending this country. Let's get on with it. 

 

 

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We're all getting a real up close and personal lesson on what it means to be a cult leader with millions of followers. Just in the last week "Biden and Hillary created the Epstein hoax and Obama committed treason and I might set the most famous living child sex trafficker free so that she can keep pedophilia charges away from me." 

Cult: "Yay!!!"

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Posted
4 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Has anything come out that wasn’t known before the election? Everyone that hasn’t been mainlining FOX has known Trump was a rapist for years. 

Hence why I used “blew up” and not “came out”.

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2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

 

Again, we weren't really even trying to prosecute anyone. The first round we slapped Epstein on the wrist. A journalist had to go out and dig up witnesses for it to even get the attention of the nation. Only then were we even interested in pressing forward. Then people started getting suicided. 

We really do not even know how much effort was made to get anyone else or what witnesses really had to say. I am of the opinion that no effort was made past Epstein and then we quickly made sure we got rid of him. I personally think that just like with Epstein, if the people would put pressure on the administration, they would fold just like they did before. What the admin is banking on is a short attention span with the American people. 

Do you think Epstein was murdered? Who ordered it done?

Posted
23 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

My four year old lies more convincingly than this.

Well, they have to - they are held to a higher standard and face more consequences than.....the fucking president of the United States.

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1 hour ago, Sbbruin said:


I think a straight out pardon following positive testimony seems a bridge too far even for the orange shitbird. It would be such an obvious maneuver even his retard base could see that, right? I mean right?

Nope



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