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Just now, TexasRenegade said:

Who the heck wants to go to Nashville for anything?  Seriously?

 

NOLA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville....which one is not like the others....

Have you been to Nashville?

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35 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

He has 2 Gs, sir.

I ran into Steve on 6th Street on Halloween night, 10/31/94. He literally bumped into me coming out of a bar and then I recognized him and we shook hands and bullshitted for a minute in the middle of the chaos. I was a freshman and he was super nice, loved Austin, girls were around in the crowd basically circling the guy and his buddies, it was fun and funny. And, hey, I'm guessing everybody got laid that night, as the whole town was fucking insane.

Is it still crazy on Halloween? I've always assumed so. There were over 100,000 people there that night, per the news. 

Also, dude was like 6'. Taller than you'd figure after seeing him in the movies, including the greatness that is Cocoon. 

 

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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

We've been discussing it on the left behind thread, but I think the current best option for the remaining 8 is:

  1. Add two schools that are at least equivalent TV draws to the remaining 8 (e.g., BYU, Houston, UCF). This keeps the games inventory quantity the same by staying at 10 teams.
  2. If as it's been widely reported Texas and OU bring half the conference eyeballs then the above could mean that during negotiations the new Big 12-2-2+2-2 can credibly and justifiably argue that the modified terms of their contract that goes through 2025 should be at least 62.5% of the value of the existing contract. That would mean each team would get about $12.5M from TV versus the current $20M.
  3. As that's a loss of only $7.5M per year they are covered for their losses if Texas and OU pay the roughly $160M total buyout amount. That's $20M per remaining 8 school versus the $21.5M they lose on the contract over the last three years of the GOR.
  4. The two new teams don't get a split of that, but they get higher revenues than they do in their current conference or independent TV deal.
  5. So now the remaining 8 are basically cash neutral through the 2024-25 school year. That gives them 4 years to figure out what in the hell they're going to do at that point while feeling out the new landscape and where things are headed.

This could work, but it would require cooperation and strong central leadership from the Big 12 office. They would need to all understand and openly communicate that this is in their best interests as a group, it is only through 2024-25, and that if they are going to bolt to another P5 conference it will be starting with the 2025-26 school year. I give it a 0.05% chance of happening and working because the Big 12 office sucks ass and that's exactly why they're in this situation.

 

Didn't ESPN and Fox admit that they gave more than the Big 12 was worth to try and keep it together during the last round? I thought I read Texas and OU finding out that this next round of money correcting course was the impetus for bailing. 

 

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

They won't draw only 800K if they're on ESPN. We have to be realistic, part of the reason that Texas and OU draw so much more is that they're so much more frequently on the main channels. But they're on the main channels because they draw so much more, so it's a chicken and egg thing to some extent. But an Iowa State/Oklahoma State matchup for the new Big 12 title on ESPN will draw well over a million viewers.

Why would the powers that be put a matchup between the remaining 8 on a main channel? I guess if two are ranked in the top 15 they could probably get a time slot, but there's about to be a ton of content in the secsecsec, and the ACC and Big 10 will come next in the pecking order. 

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27 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It was quite literally rated the best a few times.  PreCovid and over a decade ago.  But I did like it back then.  

It's built for pre-9/11, and there's still that aspect of not walking far for your flight, but a delay or arriving early at MCI is absolute purgatory. There is NOTHING to do in those little post-security pod sections. 

Luckily it's getting rebuilt: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/news/local/article250461491.html

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1 minute ago, texifornia said:

It's built for pre-9/11, and there's still that aspect of not walking far for your flight, but a delay or arriving early at MCI is absolute purgatory. There is NOTHING to do in those little post-security pod sections. 

Luckily it's getting rebuilt: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansascity.com/news/local/article250461491.html

MCI is a fucking beating. Aside from the security hell, it's far out in the middle of nowhere, damn near in Iowa and it looks like it was built by communists. 

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4 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

not sorry if already posted

https://streamable.com/dbjm7a

crap. Didn’t imbed.  Whatever. 

 

2 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

https://streamable.com/dbjm7a
 

damn this is hilarious

There nees to be an auto-neg function for specific pieces of text just baked into the site.

Like when I broke my company email by using the word "smorgasbord" which had apparently been used as some kind of trigger by the IT dept.

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1 minute ago, texifornia said:

 

There nees to be an auto-neg function for specific pieces of text just baked into the site.

Like when I broke my company email by using the word "smorgasbord" which had apparently been used as some kind of trigger by the IT dept.

You missed the joke

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1 minute ago, texifornia said:

 

There nees to be an auto-neg function for specific pieces of text just baked into the site.

Like when I broke my company email by using the word "smorgasbord" which had apparently been used as some kind of trigger by the IT dept.

And that’s fair…..

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19 minutes ago, cashman said:

Haven't really been following this closely, and sorry if this has already been discussed, but what is the actual timeline for Texas to get into the SEC? No way we wait until 2025 right?

Ask SouthAustin's mom.

I hear there's a line, though.

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18 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Have you been to Nashville?

Right. Just went there a few weeks ago for 4th of July weekend. If you don't like Nashville, he most likely fucking hates Austin too. I found them very similar. The women to men ratio was very favorable to the men. If I was single I could do some serious damage there.

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With the eating, drinking and smoking habits of the degenerates on this board, most of the people posting in this thread would never see a down of Texas football in the SEC if things get prolonged to 2025. Half of you won't make it to 2024. I am highly confident in our lawyers, and fully expect Texas to play a full SEC schedule next season. However, it is not a 100% lock. For that reason, most of you need to drop whatever you are doing at the moment, and get yourself frozen ASAP. There is an Episcopal Cryogenic Freezing facility in Port Lavaca that will give you a 5% discount if you are a Texas-Ex. 

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1 minute ago, Hookah Horns said:

Whole lotta process to go after that. 

very true, im talking more about the actual joining process.  after that there will be a 2 or 3 month legal process to determine when we start(itll be 2022 just a question of how much it costs us.)

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Just now, Gidnik said:

very true, im talking more about the actual joining process.  after that there will be a 2 or 3 month legal process to determine when we start(itll be 2022 just a question of how much it costs us.)

It'll be very interesting to see how long it takes. Lotta tension between (1) everyone wanting this to be resolved and their future secured (to the extent it's possible) asap and (2) everyone trying to get/pay as much/little as they can. 

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3 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't know, the TV ratings for those teams when not playing Texas or OU is abysmal. I think you may be severely overestimating their remaining viewership. I think they are going to struggle to get 10 mil per team even if they add two more teams. 

Big East with Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF, UConn, WVU and TCU had an ESPN offer for around $15 million a year 10 years ago.  Rates in general for sports have gone up dramatically since then.  Now that doesn't mean rates for mediocre content have gone up.

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Found some backstory about the SEC tv contract. I don't recall seeing this posted. Published yesterday. Spoilered.

If I'm understanding it right, when atm and mizzoo entered the conf in 2011, the rest of the conference took a bit of a hit on their pro rata share from CBS. (?)

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/sec-negotiating-paved-texas-oklahoma

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As the SEC finalized its blockbuster deal to take the CBS game of the week and move it to ESPN in December of 2019, one of the final issues tantalizing SEC commissioner Greg Sankey was this: now that ESPN would control all SEC games in the years ahead, what would happen if expansion opportunities arose again?

Back in 2011, the SEC’s leaders seethed with anger when CBS refused to pay the conference equal pro rata television shares for the additions of Missouri and Texas A&M. Indeed it was this anger more than anything else that would lead the SEC, a decade later, to spurn CBS’s attempts to extend their deal and move all of its games to ESPN.

Huddling with his lead advisors, Sankey sought a guarantee from ESPN that if the conference expanded in the future, he’d have the ability to pay the new teams the same amount of money, pro rata, that his 14 current teams were already guaranteed. But why would ESPN sign a deal that gave Sankey and the SEC equal money for all expansion candidates, regardless of their quality? The SEC and ESPN needed to define the field of potential expansion candidates in a way that made both sides comfortable with the expanded version of their deal.

That’s when the SEC’s negotiating team came up with a plan. What if they wrote into the contract that any A-list addition was automatically covered by the existing contract? But that raised another question: how to define an A list team? The crew bandied about the idea of labeling Texas as an A list school, but the concern was that limited the SEC to schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and USC, bona fide top brands without any question at all.

Everyone already knew Texas was an A list school.

They needed a school with a bit more broad appeal, an A-lister that gave them options to dip down closer to the B list if it made sense. Who knew what the future held? The SEC wanted a broad pool of candidates, an expansive list of targets that would eliminate doubt in the event of future expansion.

That’s when they hit on Oklahoma.

Who would the SEC and ESPN define as an A list school in their contract? The Sooners. That way, you got the big name schools like Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan and USC, but you could also have a strong argument for other schools a bit below Oklahoma, the UCLAs of the world, even.

Now as the SEC prepares to add Texas and Oklahoma to the conference, OutKick can report that the conference has a mandate that no other conference does, the biggest and most lucrative television deal in all of college sports is portable. The SEC can guarantee potential expansion candidates that they will enter as full share equals the moment they begin play in future years, a guaranteed opportunity no other conference has at the present moment.

Why does that matter?

Because some have advised Sankey to think even broader than just adding Texas and Oklahoma. If the NCAA is collapsing and the major conferences will have all the power, why stop at 16 teams? Heck, why even limit yourself to the existing SEC footprint at all? Why couldn’t, some ask, the South also be defined as Southern California? I’m not saying USC to the SEC is going to happen. I’m just saying, the Trojans would make way more money in the SEC than they will in the Pac-12, even in a new Pac-12 deal.

The opportunity is there, thanks to the master negotiation stroke back in December of 2019. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey wasn’t just negotiating for the deal in front of him. Like all good negotiators, he was thinking about the next deal too. And now the next deal is here.

And already paid for.

So when will Oklahoma and Texas begin play in the SEC? Right now, that’s partially determined by CBS, which controls the SEC’s game of the week until the end of the 2024 football season. But there’s already discussion that a deal might be made. What if ESPN got the SEC’s game of the week starting in 2022 and in exchange for that game coming to ESPN early, ESPN gave CBS the second best SEC game for several years? With Texas and Oklahoma now in the fold, the second best SEC game is a valuable proposition. The same thing could be true with Fox Sports and any claim they have on Texas and Oklahoma games going forward as a part of their Big 12 deal, might Fox want to air SEC games as well? In theory this could be an additional masterstroke for Sankey and the SEC. They’d have three networks promoting their games instead of one in the short term.

And in the long term?

Well, look out, the SEC is loaded with cash, and any A list candidate is probably guaranteed more money with the SEC than they can make anywhere else. That’s especially the case because the Pac-12, Big 12, and Big Ten all have TV contracts set to expire soon. And the ACC is locked into an inferior deal for years to come.

Right now, Texas and Oklahoma are the SEC targets.

But, buckle up, the A-list targets are all in play for the SEC, and they are loaded up and big game hunting.

 

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28 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

Who the heck wants to go to Nashville for anything?  Seriously?

 

NOLA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville....which one is not like the others....

Well three of those are large corporate hubs that also have some fun things to do, and two of those are major party centers and the non-Vegas bachelor/bachelorette capitals of the US.

So your question is a strange one.

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8 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

With the eating, drinking and smoking habits of the degenerates on this board, most of the people posting in this thread would never see a down of Texas football in the SEC if things get prolonged to 2025. Half of you won't make it to 2024. I am highly confident in our lawyers, and fully expect Texas to play a full SEC schedule next season. However, it is not a 100% lock. For that reason, most of you need to drop whatever you are doing at the moment, and get yourself frozen ASAP. There is an Episcopal Cryogenic Freezing facility in Port Lavaca that will give you a 5% discount if you are a Texas-Ex. 

It's a lock that Disney's god-level amount of cash gets this done for next season. If it wasn't in their best interest to iron this all out asap, I'd have some concern. 

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2 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

It'll be very interesting to see how long it takes. Lotta tension between (1) everyone wanting this to be resolved and their future secured (to the extent it's possible) asap and (2) everyone trying to get/pay as much/little as they can. 

yea its going to be tense as fuck for a while.  but i really think both sides are going to want it over as fast as possible.  there is nothing worse than a divorce that drags out for years. 

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What an embarrassment this whole thing is. The state of Texas got played like a fiddle by Bama and a northeastern sports broadcasting company.
Power conference based in Texas? Nope
Texas recruits leaving the state in droves? Yep
Any control over what is happening? Nope
Texas has been raped, pillaged and burned to the ground.  

WTF do you think the $ was for?

We’re you not entertained?

Heads up. This game of thrones has been going on for at least 30 years. Some might even say it all started with the OU law suit.

Partial credit to TCU though. Y’all got kicked to the curb and fought all the way back. But even with that, got left at the door step to the big game (one true champ, ha!).

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And fuck TCU.
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3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

We've been discussing it on the left behind thread, but I think the current best option for the remaining 8 is:

  1. Add two schools that are at least equivalent TV draws to the remaining 8 (e.g., BYU, Houston, UCF). This keeps the games inventory quantity the same by staying at 10 teams.
  2. If as it's been widely reported Texas and OU bring half the conference eyeballs then the above could mean that during negotiations the new Big 12-2-2+2-2 can credibly and justifiably argue that the modified terms of their contract that goes through 2025 should be at least 62.5% of the value of the existing contract. That would mean each team would get about $12.5M from TV versus the current $20M.
  3. As that's a loss of only $7.5M per year they are covered for their losses if Texas and OU pay the roughly $160M total buyout amount. That's $20M per remaining 8 school versus the $21.5M they lose on the contract over the last three years of the GOR.
  4. The two new teams don't get a split of that, but they get higher revenues than they do in their current conference or independent TV deal.
  5. So now the remaining 8 are basically cash neutral through the 2024-25 school year. That gives them 4 years to figure out what in the hell they're going to do at that point while feeling out the new landscape and where things are headed.

This could work, but it would require cooperation and strong central leadership from the Big 12 office. They would need to all understand and openly communicate that this is in their best interests as a group, it is only through 2024-25, and that if they are going to bolt to another P5 conference it will be starting with the 2025-26 school year. I give it a 0.05% chance of happening and working because the Big 12 office sucks ass and that's exactly why they're in this situation.

If the ACC quickly tells WVU and KU to lose their number and the Big 10 does the same to ISU and KU, then its only those schools with a Pac hope who wouldn't be for this.  I suspect Baylor and KSU already know they have no place else to go.  ISU and WVU will probably quickly figure that out.

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34 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

Who the heck wants to go to Nashville for anything?  Seriously?

 

NOLA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville....which one is not like the others....

Why are you dissin' Houston so bad?

 

6 minutes ago, Hanrahan said:

Are they actually going to have a vote or is some intern just going post a tweet that UT, OU and Sankey drafted sometime in June?

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17 minutes ago, Zhorn96 said:

Seriously.  Nashville is awesome

I was there last month.  There was a lot going on, but when it came to boozing, it was pretty obviously amateur hour downtown.  As in, I got the impression that everyone there had their respective "first drink ever" earlier that night.  A lot of bad drunks.  Dirty 6th at 2 a.m. seems like a well oiled machine by comparison.  Opryland is a total cheese fest.  As far as TN goes, Memphis and Knoxville seem to have a lot more chill.  Just my tree-fiddy.

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1 minute ago, General Specific said:


WTF do you think the $ was for?

We’re you not entertained?

Heads up. This game of thrones has been going on for at least 30 years. Some might even say it all started with the OU law suit.

Partial credit to TCU though. Y’all got kicked to the curb and fought all the way back. But even with that, got left at the door step to the big game (one true champ, ha!).

 

Conference realignment has been going on as long as there have been conferences.  Texas' first conference affiliation was with the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association (predecessor to the SEC), and OU's first conference association was the Southwest Conference.

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