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4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Staubach?

Great guess but I don't think so. According to Wiki, he was a 10th round, 'future' draft pick, but was pretty much forgotten about until he joined the Cowboys in 1969. Even then, he was forgotten until he played in 1970.

My, how the game has changed. This Heisman trophy winner had 18 passing TD's and 19 ints in his college career.  

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On 5/5/2025 at 4:28 PM, immamac said:

I would be very surprised if Deion was under the illusion that Shadeur would be able to walk into the NFL and not have a super high football IQ and not have a matching work ethic. 

Shadeur's been on camera for the better part of the last 4 years, with his dad as the producer, and nothing they have put out there paints him as having a super high work ethic.  You'd think if his work ethic showed him in a positive light, it would have been front and center, instead of all the sideshow nonsense.  Are there instagram clips of him being the first in, last out in the weight room?  Breaking down film for hours?  I ask that rhetorically, as I scroll his IG and don't see anything like that.  

 

On 5/5/2025 at 4:28 PM, immamac said:

That doesn't mean that Deion and Shadeur don't actually take shit seriously.

They certainly didn't take the draft process seriously, and here we are.

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17 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Great guess but I don't think so. According to Wiki, he was a 10th round, 'future' draft pick, but was pretty much forgotten about until he joined the Cowboys in 1969. Even then, he was forgotten until he played in 1970.

My, how the game has changed. This Heisman trophy winner had 18 passing TD's and 19 ints in his college career.  

Different world back then as newspaper was the dominant coverage for sports at the time,  you did have television coverage, but the networks weren't one 24-7 let alone a network solely of sports coverage.

Roger did 5-years in the Navy upon graduation from the Academy, part of which was in South Vietnam, and he played on some service teams during that time.  If I remember correctly he would try to time up his leave with Cowboy camps, but it wasn't until 1969 and he left the Navy that he truly went to the NFL and no one had an idea what the Cowboys were getting in Roger 5 years after he played college ball.

Sanders on the other hand has been part of a media flying circus that once again proves life is stranger than fiction.  

One other different world story and easily my favorite Roger story.

Almost all NFL players at that time had off season jobs because the money wasn't enough for them to be able to not work when they finally stopped playing.  Roger started in the NFL in 1969 and he started in real estate in 1970.  As good as Roger was as a quarterback he was better early on in real estate. Good enough that he didn't consider football his primary source of income.

The only problem with this was Tex Schram knew Roger was doing well and wasn't depending upon that money so they would agree on what they both considered a fair salary. That number was well below what other NFL players were getting paid which frustrated some of the other Cowboy players. When they would go ask Tex for money in the offseason he would tell them he wasn't going to pay them more than he was paying the quarterback of the team.  

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6 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Different world back then as newspaper was the dominant coverage for sports at the time,  you did have television coverage, but the networks weren't one 24-7 let alone a network solely of sports coverage.

Roger did 5-years in the Navy upon graduation from the Academy, part of which was in South Vietnam, and he played on some service teams during that time.  If I remember correctly he would try to time up his leave with Cowboy camps, but it wasn't until 1969 and he left the Navy that he truly went to the NFL and no one had an idea what the Cowboys were getting in Roger 5 years after he played college ball.

Sanders on the other hand has been part of a media flying circus that once again proves life is stranger than fiction.  

One other different world story and easily my favorite Roger story.

Almost all NFL players at that time had off season jobs because the money wasn't enough for them to be able to not work when they finally stopped playing.  Roger started in the NFL in 1969 and he started in real estate in 1970.  As good as Roger was as a quarterback he was better early on in real estate. Good enough that he didn't consider football his primary source of income.

The only problem with this was Tex Schram knew Roger was doing well and wasn't depending upon that money so they would agree on what they both considered a fair salary. That number was well below what other NFL players were getting paid which frustrated some of the other Cowboy players. When they would go ask Tex for money in the offseason he would tell them he wasn't going to pay them more than he was paying the quarterback of the team.  

Tex Schram was a legendary cheapskate. In 1970, when Duane Thomas played for the Dallas Cowboys, his salary was $20,000. No wonder he was pissed off.  

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Tex Schram was a legendary cheapskate. In 1970, when Duane Thomas played for the Dallas Cowboys, his salary was $20,000. No wonder he was pissed off.  

Thats like $150k in 2025
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1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:


Thats like $150k in 2025

That's a good salary today for a normal person, but if we are using today's metrics, the 2025 average NFL salary is $3.2 million, so $150K is far below that number. 

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That's a good salary today for a normal person, but if we are using today's metrics, the 2025 average NFL salary is $3.2 million, so $150K is far below that number. 

$20k was about the average salary back then before free agency and collective bargaining was a thing.

So, if a player bitched about only getting $20k a year for playing a game, the fans would not have much sympathy as that was more than double the median income.
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2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:


$20k was about the average salary back then before free agency and collective bargaining was a thing.

So, if a player bitched about only getting $20k a year for playing a game, the fans would not have much sympathy as that was more than double the median income.

Just crazy how things have changed. A comedian does a very funny rant about his parents saying they owned a house at his age and asked why he doesn't buy a house today. His answer was, 'cause your downpayment will get me a Wendy's at the airport today.'  

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12 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

That's a good salary today for a normal person, but if we are using today's metrics, the 2025 average NFL salary is $3.2 million, so $150K is far below that number. 

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The average NFL salary is close to $2 million, but players were not always so well compensated. In fact, for much of football's history, players often worked secondary jobs in steel mills, on ranches or as salesmen to make ends meet. The only time a player takes a "second" job now is on TV in the hopes of getting a career once he has hung up his cleats. The high salaries were won through decades of battles with owners as well as due to football's ascension to the status of America's favorite sport.

 

Red Grange

While paid players predate the formation of the NFL in 1920 by several decades, most players were paid on a per-game basis. In 1926, Red Grange changed that when he signed a 19-game deal with the Chicago Bears that earned him roughly $100,000. That was the first large NFL contract.

Changing Times

During the next few decades, player salaries depended on their star quality and the teams they played for. Some teams were stingy with money, while others paid in other ways--in the late 1950s, Baltimore Colts often got free beer after games. Starting around the late 1950s, players demanded a league minimum, but that fell on deaf ears. The average player at the time was getting less than $6,000 per season.

 

The Financial Breakthrough

The Players Association finally won recognition in 1970, and the owners agreed to a $9,000 minimum salary for rookies and $10,000 for veterans. The minimum salary crept higher through the 1970s.

Salary Wars

Rival leagues often helped escalate salaries. In the 1960s, it was the AFL, followed by the WFL in the 1970s and the USFL in the 1980s. Salaries jumped due to bidding, including the famous John Brodie case where he was offered close to $750,000 to go to the AFL. He had been making $35,000 in the NFL.

The Big Money

The NFL strikes in 1982 and 1987 led to an explosion in salaries because the players won the rights to get more team revenues as well as the ability to bargain collectively. That helped average salaries go from $198,000 in 1986 to almost $800,000 by the start of the 1993 season.

 

 
Tuesday, March 4
Updated: March 24, 12:36 PM ET
 
USFL made an impact in three-year run
By Greg Garber
ESPN.com
 

 

"Every NFL player that's getting paid right now ought to thank the USFL," said Irv Eatman, an offensive tackle for the Philadelphia Stars and today a Kansas City Chiefs assistant coach. "That's where it started to proliferate."

Bart Oates, a Stars teammate of Eatman's and later a Pro Bowl center for the New York Giants, agreed. "Track the league's average salary and see what happens in 1984," Oates said. "Put it on a chart and watch it spike."

Done.

The NFL's average salary in 1983 was $152,800. A year later, after the USFL began paying fat salaries and creating a bidding war with the NFL, the average salary was $225,600, an increase of 47.6 percent -- the largest jump in the league's history.

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56 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

This question and follow up question is why you didn’t want to draft Shedeur. 

The dumb reporters will only accelerate. Stefanski handled that really well. It'll be 3 months of this kind of idiocy and will crescendo once the season starts. The fundamental reality is that it's likely Shedeur will move the chains a little more efficiently than Gabriel. And, for now, none of that will mean anything except you'll have to discuss every meaningless nuance with a moron like this reporter. 

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5 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:


 

Go ahead and have your agent call other teams Gabriel.  You’re done

I didn't know Lucci had a cousin work in the media in Cleveland.

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On 5/5/2025 at 4:28 PM, immamac said:

maybe he did do that.

I get that Deion and his spawn are polarizing male entertainers. That doesn't mean that Deion and Shadeur don't actually take shit seriously. I would be very surprised if Deion was under the illusion that Shadeur would be able to walk into the NFL and not have a super high football IQ and not have a matching work ethic. 

We will see what happens through camp, but I don't think it'll be weird when it comes out that Shadeur isn't actually that shitty of a teammate and helps at minimum bring up the level of competition that is going on for QB1.

Assuming Watson is out he is by far the most physically talented qb in Cleveland. 

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12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Assuming Watson is out he is by far the most physically talented qb in Cleveland. 

Watson is being cut. 

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They both look like wasted draft picks.  Shedeur holds the ball too low and always does that clutch/pump before he throws.  I'm here for the entertainment...

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7 minutes ago, boilerhorn said:

They both look like wasted draft picks.  Shedeur holds the ball too low and always does that clutch/pump before he throws.  I'm here for the entertainment...

Welcome to the Surly - Sanders Telenova Fans page! We're here for the drama including race baiting, tons of misguided narcissistic social media efforts, soy boy media supporters, inevitable crashes and dumpster fires. 

Its been a fun ride so far and I fully anticipate its going to amp up now that the Game Master grifter commonly know as Deion is no longer in control of the day to day narrative.

Bulk up!

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47 minutes ago, Chooky said:

I look forward to your thorough assessment of pre game warmups.

What about half time locker room chat? Who's covering those aspects. 

In fun amusement, I wonder if Deion is going to become upset with the Bill and his um... PR manager's shannigans drawning all the spot lights to Raleigh. The Telenovela grows!!!

 

And yeah, Hunter seems like a genuinely good human that's also an amazing athlete. Glad he found a place to just do his thing without the tomfoolery.

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