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15 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

He stops Chubb the way all authoritarians control private enterprises in their countries.  To stop them from executing on his $90 million in assets, he threatens them with executive action that will seize/damage/reduce the value of Chubb's portfolio by a few billion.  Chubb then falls in line, example eleventy billion of a private enterprise bending the knee to a head of gov't using the power of the state for his personal benefit.  This isn't hard or complicated.  Damn near every third world shithole of the past several centuries had it down to a science.  On the flip side, if Chubb steps up and does him a solid, he'll use that same government power to do something favorable for Chubb that enriches their portfolio by a few billion.

Those in the know call this approach "plata o plomo."  Again, it's criminal gangster 101 shit.

One of the funniest things about this thread is people not realizing how heads of corporations and members of Congress bowed down to this criminal jerk off for 4 years while he was president and in position to make them richer. Then after he tried to overthrow the government they've done nothing but continue bowing at his feet just on the chance he could get elected again. 

There's zero backbone in corporate America and American politics. If someone has control of a political party like this they will be untouchable as no one will risk losing money or favor to oppose them. We've seen it play out in full since 2016 and yet so many people want to put their heads in the sand and act like this third world country dictator shit isn't already happening here. 

The last step is the courts. Right now he's under indictment but is being allowed to delay criminal trials and is allowed to continue to threaten people without being locked up pending trial. The courts are bending but as of this moment haven't broken yet. If they do break then it'll all be over. We're hanging on by a thread here. 

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6 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

One of the funniest things about this thread is people not realizing how heads of corporations and members of Congress bowed down to this criminal jerk off for 4 years while he was president and in position to make them richer. Then after he tried to overthrow the government they've done nothing but continue bowing at his feet just on the chance he could get elected again. 

There's zero backbone in corporate America and American politics. If someone has control of a political party like this they will be untouchable as no one will risk losing money or favor to oppose them. We've seen it play out in full since 2016 and yet so many people want to put their heads in the sand and act like this third world country dictator shit isn't already happening here. 

The last step is the courts. Right now he's under indictment but is being allowed to delay criminal trials and is allowed to continue to threaten people without being locked up pending trial. The courts are bending but as of this moment haven't broken yet. If they do break then it'll all be over. We're hanging on by a thread here. 

Who doesn’t understand this? Seems like to me in reading this thread and every other Trump related thread everyone understands this. 

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6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Who doesn’t understand this? Seems like to me in reading this thread and every other Trump related thread everyone understands this. 

About 55-65% of the country. 

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Posted
20 hours ago, BamaATL said:

It's not at all surprising to me, his whole life is a game of three card monty, and when you do that he's constantly robbing peter to pay paul, which means you never actually have anything that isn't going right back out to keep the scheme going.  When it's all said and done, I think we are going to find out that he's upside down several billion dollars.  The good news, in a couple of weeks the State of New York is going to start that process.  

Aka Ponzi Scheme

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Who doesn’t understand this? Seems like to me in reading this thread and every other Trump related thread everyone understands this. 

Rough estimates:

40% of voters understand it and are actively fighting against it.

15% of voters understand it and are actively working to make it happen.

30% of voters are rubes getting duped into supporting it.

15% of voters are uninformed or apathetic or undecided.  The voters in this section in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan are going to decide the outcome.
 

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How so on the first part? The Clinton case established that there is no presidential immunity for civil cases. The appeal can proceed and when he loses she'll get paid from the bond and Chubb will use its extraordinary resources to ensure the fat fuck pays up. I suspect they took some security interest in some of his shit that still has value. 
He doesn't play by the rules. He'll put Chubb out of business before he let's them collect if he's President.
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17 hours ago, Underdog said:

Guess Chico's had more important clients to serve than Trump... 

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In all seriousness, think about how much Eric Trump looks like Lupus. 

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Is collection or forfeiture of collection on a bond necessarily public information?  Why wouldn't Chubb just waive the bond, and in return Trump would create more industry-favorable policy from the White House (if elected)?  Sure, if he loses, they might try to collect, or they might just see it as an acceptable business risk.

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2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Who doesn’t understand this? Seems like to me in reading this thread and every other Trump related thread everyone understands this. 

 

18 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah because the government has almost zero role in civil litigation besides providing the forum and the judge, it is not immediately apparent to me how he would stop Chubb.   But I am sure he would try. 

 

19 hours ago, dcbc said:

I don't think he can unring the bond bell, but I wholeheartedly agree with your second sentence.

 

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I don’t know how he will have done it, and maybe I’m not giving Chubb enough credit for due diligence, but I think they will be paying out that bond and when it comes time to recoup he will stuff them- and that’s when they will discover that they are subordinate to 150% of FMV on the assets he secured the bond with. 
 

or something like that. 

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5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I don’t know how he will have done it, and maybe I’m not giving Chubb enough credit for due diligence, but I think they will be paying out that bond and when it comes time to recoup he will stuff them- and that’s when they will discover that they are subordinate to 150% of FMV on the assets he secured the bond with. 
 

or something like that. 


100% he’s stiffing chubb

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Okay, but are just not going to acknowledge the coincidence of “Stiffed Chubb”?  Honestly, this place is getting lazy

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Posted
18 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

He stops Chubb the way all authoritarians control private enterprises in their countries.  To stop them from executing on his $90 million in assets, he threatens them with executive action that will seize/damage/reduce the value of Chubb's portfolio by a few billion.  Chubb then falls in line, example eleventy billion of a private enterprise bending the knee to a head of gov't using the power of the state for his personal benefit.  This isn't hard or complicated.  Damn near every third world shithole of the past several centuries had it down to a science.  On the flip side, if Chubb steps up and does him a solid, he'll use that same government power to do something favorable for Chubb that enriches their portfolio by a few billion.

Those in the know call this approach "plata o plomo."  Again, it's criminal gangster 101 shit.

 

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19 hours ago, 'stache said:
How so on the first part? The Clinton case established that there is no presidential immunity for civil cases. The appeal can proceed and when he loses she'll get paid from the bond and Chubb will use its extraordinary resources to ensure the fat fuck pays up. I suspect they took some security interest in some of his shit that still has value. 

He doesn't play by the rules. He'll put Chubb out of business before he lets them collect if he's President.

Chubb is a conglomerate with stakeholders across the world. They don’t need any favors from an American president, a laughable one at that if he is somehow elected. They wield the same corporate influence as the other oligarchs in the legislature where the real favors happen. They aren’t messing around for some minor executive influence. If they don’t collect it’ll be because $90 million is change they find in the couch cushions and it’ll be for favors from republicans in Congress.

Also, for all his fascist rhetoric, he’s not smart enough or motivated enough to actually pull off a takeover of one of the biggest corporations in the fucking world. They’re headquartered in Zurich, little donnie trump is at most a toy for them, and if the stakeholders say collect, they gonna collect. Those stakeholders aren’t gonna let the CEO play maga unless there is a benefit, and if there is one, it’s with Congress. “If you really love that dumbass cut our taxes again or we gonna make your boy look silly and broke.”
 

But more than likely they took the plane as collateral as probably his last unencumbered asset of real value and if they can get a few things out of it here and there again it’s pocket change.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

Chubb is a conglomerate with stakeholders across the world. They don’t need any favors from an American president, a laughable one at that if he is somehow elected. They wield the same corporate influence as the other oligarchs in the legislature where the real favors happen. They aren’t messing around for some minor executive influence. If they don’t collect it’ll be because $90 million is change they find in the couch cushions and it’ll be for favors from republicans in Congress.

Also, for all his fascist rhetoric, he’s not smart enough or motivated enough to actually pull off a takeover of one of the biggest corporations in the fucking world. They’re headquartered in Zurich, little donnie trump is at most a toy for them, and if the stakeholders say collect, they gonna collect. Those stakeholders aren’t gonna let the CEO play maga unless there is a benefit, and if there is one, it’s with Congress. “If you really love that dumbass cut our taxes again or we gonna make your boy look silly and broke.”
 

But more than likely they took the plane as collateral as probably his last unencumbered asset of real value and if they can get a few things out of it here and there again it’s pocket change.

Trump controls half of the legislature as well as long as he's in power or threatens to be. They've had 10 years to stand up to him and refuse to be a part of it but they have not done it once. They've bowed to him at every possible opportunity to get rid of him. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I'm glad I'm a white male. Even if the worst happens, I should be okay. Oh, wait .. I'm also Catholic.  Am I fucked? 

Are you insanely rich? If not you're fucked too

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Posted
4 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

About 55-65% of the country. 

 

3 hours ago, Snake Diggity said:

Rough estimates:

40% of voters understand it and are actively fighting against it.

15% of voters understand it and are actively working to make it happen.

30% of voters are rubes getting duped into supporting it.

15% of voters are uninformed or apathetic or undecided.  The voters in this section in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan are going to decide the outcome.
 

He wasn’t talking about American voters. He was talking about this thread. Which is ridiculous. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Trump controls half of the legislature as well as long as he's in power or threatens to be. They've had 10 years to stand up to him and refuse to be a part of it but they have not done it once. They've bowed to him at every possible opportunity to get rid of him. 

They ain't gonna shut down or fuck with Chubb for him, even if they wanted too, lol.

Posted
11 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They ain't gonna shut down or fuck with Chubb for him, even if they wanted too, lol.

The CEO of Chubb is part of "them". He isn't going to collect on Trump if doing so would jeopardize his standing with him and potentially cost him favor. 

That's exactly what just about all of these corporate America billionaires have been doing for the last 10 years. It's the entire reason why Trump is even in the position he's in now and not in a prison or cast away as an after thought. If they wanted him gone they would have leaned on republicans in Congress, who take bribes "campaign contributions" from them all the time, to impeach him the first time around. 

They profit from Trump's evil ways. They enable him and have this entire time. It's why the only defense against him is the American people routing the republicans and trump in November. 

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I guess the first question regarding Chubb is whether they protected themselves in writing the bond. 

In anything approaching an arms-length transaction, I might expect they actually got deeds and aren't relying on much or any further legal process to collect their collateral. 

But I suppose anything can happen. From a loosey goosey bond deal to some kind of interference from Trump when the bond gets liquidated. 

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Posted
They ain't gonna shut down or fuck with Chubb for him, even if they wanted too, lol.
They are on board to make him President for life. You think they won't fuck with a company on his behalf?
Posted
8 hours ago, 'stache said:

 

Chubb is a conglomerate with stakeholders across the world. They don’t need any favors from an American president, a laughable one at that if he is somehow elected. They wield the same corporate influence as the other oligarchs in the legislature where the real favors happen. They aren’t messing around for some minor executive influence. If they don’t collect it’ll be because $90 million is change they find in the couch cushions and it’ll be for favors from republicans in Congress.

Also, for all his fascist rhetoric, he’s not smart enough or motivated enough to actually pull off a takeover of one of the biggest corporations in the fucking world. They’re headquartered in Zurich, little donnie trump is at most a toy for them, and if the stakeholders say collect, they gonna collect. Those stakeholders aren’t gonna let the CEO play maga unless there is a benefit, and if there is one, it’s with Congress. “If you really love that dumbass cut our taxes again or we gonna make your boy look silly and broke.”
 

But more than likely they took the plane as collateral as probably his last unencumbered asset of real value and if they can get a few things out of it here and there again it’s pocket change.

They are just a funnel for money laundering around the world. My bet is they are part of a syndicate  and the face of a group that underwrote the bond. There is dirty money somewhere in there.  Trump is owned by someone. 

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Posted
14 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh please baby Jeebus, let E Jean sue him AGAIN.

 

11 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Yeah he gonna get sued again.

His plan has to be to win the election and somehow make this all go away right?  Why would he keep doing this over and over?

Posted
12 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

His plan has to be to win the election and somehow make this all go away right?  Why would he keep doing this over and over?


he’s lived his entire life free of consequences, why should he be worried now ?

also, any man dumb enough to marry a hooker is one dumb mother fucker 

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19 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

His plan has to be to win the election and somehow make this all go away right?  Why would he keep doing this over and over?

In case you have not figured it out, he is not a smart man.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

His plan has to be to win the election and somehow make this all go away right?  Why would he keep doing this over and over?

I don't know that there's a plan of any kind. He's just accustomed to dodging trouble. He likely has confidence that he will work his same voodoo on all of these problems. He thinks he deserves absolute immunity right now. He likely fully believes he will be in the White House again where he will certainly claim that.

But plan? I don't hear a great strategist when I listen to Trump's rambling from the podium. I don't even get a sense of a particularly keen sense of reality. Just a shameless blowfish using deception to intimidate and fleece.

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22 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

His plan has to be to win the election and somehow make this all go away right?  Why would he keep doing this over and over?


i don’t think this works for the ny state cases

his worry is jack smith. smith has said (in a round about way) secrets were sold snd he has the receipts 

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34 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

His plan has to be to win the election and somehow make this all go away right?  Why would he keep doing this over and over?

Like @RomaVicta said, he has no plan, outside of maybe playing with RNC finances now that he controls it.  That was a genius move, because it gives him access to actual cash.

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I don't know that there's a plan of any kind. He's just accustomed to dodging trouble. He likely has confidence that the will work his same voodoo on all of these problems. He thinks he deserves absolute immunity right now. He likely fully believes he will be in the White House again where he will certainly claim that.
But plan? I don't hear a great strategist when I listen to Trump's rambling from the podium. I don't even get a sense of a particularly keen sense of reality. Just a shameless blowfish using deception to intimidate and fleece.

I don’t think y’all are paying attention. His plan is to become Putin. Get “elected” forever, steal money from the economy, pure power for power’s sake because he thinks he can/deserves it/whatever.

And we’re probably about to let him.

These. That’s the plan. He’s not a complex thinker. His plan is to be elected president again. But this time, not make the mistake of accepting limitations on his power - in reality, he is a king. An absolute monarch, with absolute power. And not just any power, the power of God himself (see “the divine right of kings”).
And that’s exactly what a combination of 1) his rabid base and 2) most of the spineless GQP elected officials nationwide are working towards.
Stop attributing any complex thought to him. It’s as simple as “seize all power, so I can do whatever I want that pleases me.”
And we’re about to say “sure, let’s give that a try, what could go wrong? I mean, we have to try it, because Biden is old and socialism and stuff.”
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47 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

we’re probably about to let him.

I have a lot of bad things to say about America. It was built on genocide and slavery. It has never not been racist, beginning with the 3/5th compromise, continuing through the Civil War, through the Chinese Exclusion Act, through Japenese internment camps, through Jim Crow, through the assassination of MLK and other civil rights leaders, through the Southern Strategy and "state's rights," through the Islamophobic "war on terror," through the Birther movement, into the election of Donald Trump and his Muslim Ban, family separations, Remain in Mexico, and the Great Replacement theory.

Our cherished institutions are bullshit. The Supreme Court is and always has been a tool for political operatives to achieve what they could never achieve through a popular vote. Congress is broken seemingly by design. The Electoral College did not make sense at the time of the founding and makes even less sense today.

Meritocracy is a myth. The idea that a person's accumulation of wealth corresponds to their contributions to society is a joke. American exceptionalism is unsubstantiated propaganda. And don't get me started on all of our unwarranted interference with the affairs of other countries.

That is my take on America, and although I'm incredibly jaded about America and disinclined to believe anything positive about it, one of the few attributes about America that I can't deny is that for better or for worse (usually for worse) the people are very attached to individualism and the principles of limited power. Moreso than the Russian people. Sure, we haven't been tested much in that respect since FDR, but I just don't see an overwhelmingly Millennial and Gen Z workforce going along with an autocracy.

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22 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Should you wear a condom for civil rape ?

 

Christ...he got walked over. 

To be clear she's clearly deflecting and gaslighting. I just hate how he kept letting her talk over him. 

But she used her experience as a shield and that was a tough spot for George. 

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I have a lot of bad things to say about America. It was built on genocide and slavery. It has never not been racist, beginning with the 3/5th compromise, continuing through the Civil War, through the Chinese Exclusion Act, through Japenese internment camps, through Jim Crow, through the assassination of MLK and other civil rights leaders, through the Southern Strategy and "state's rights," through the Islamophobic "war on terror," through the Birther movement, into the election of Donald Trump and his Muslim Ban, family separations, Remain in Mexico, and the Great Replacement theory.
Our cherished institutions are bullshit. The Supreme Court is and always has been a tool for political operatives to achieve what they could never achieve through a popular vote. Congress is broken seemingly by design. The Electoral College did not make sense at the time of the founding and makes even less sense today.
Meritocracy is a myth. The idea that a person's accumulation of wealth corresponds to their contributions to society is a joke. American exceptionalism is unsubstantiated propaganda. And don't get me started on all of our unwarranted interference with the affairs of other countries.
That is my take on America, and although I'm incredibly jaded about America and disinclined to believe anything positive about it, one of the few attributes about America that I can't deny is that for better or for worse (usually for worse) the people are very attached to individualism and the principles of limited power. Moreso than the Russian people. Sure, we haven't been tested much in that respect since FDR, but I just don't see an overwhelmingly Millennial and Gen Z workforce going along with an autocracy.

They don’t have a fucking say. The older voters will impose an autocracy on them, and that’s the point of autocracy, there’s not a fucking thing they can do about it once it’s in place.
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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


They don’t have a fucking say. The older voters will impose an autocracy on them, and that’s the point of autocracy, there’s not a fucking thing they can do about it once it’s in place.

Older voters won't be enough of a factor in 4 years, and I'm specifically talking about efforts to keep power through antidemocratic means. They won't only have to contend with Capitol Police. Even if they were to succeed on Jan 6, they won't be able to hold onto power on Jan 7 or later unless enough of the workforce goes along with their plan.

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17 minutes ago, horngrad03 said:

But she used her experience as a shield and that was a tough spot for George. 

That is what's so fucking odious

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