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Posted
8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This country needs to get election litigation under control.  First off, our elections are already too long, and we get delayed results due to legal challenges.  Secondly, every state has different ballot requirements, which invites legal challenges. And third, JUST GET ON WITH IT

I agree fuck lawyers

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14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This country needs to get election litigation under control.  First off, our elections are already too long, and we get delayed results due to legal challenges.  Secondly, every state has different ballot requirements, which invites legal challenges. And third, JUST GET ON WITH IT

I bet we don’t see an official winner (assuming Harris comes out on top on Election Day) until at least December because the Rs will scream fraud and file lawsuits in every blue state. 

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1 hour ago, SquishMitten said:

Curious as to what the republican talking point is re: tariffs and how they aren't anything more than a tax on Americans. It's obviously not a vehicle to change the amount of money spent by us as a whole. What was that dude trying to say about how it works with some countries? I understand there are benefits in certain industries to allow American producers to compete on a level playing field (that's irrelevant to the issue being discussed), but do they actually have some sort of nonsensical argument as to how increased tariffs will translate to better childcare options?

the strategy is not new - in politics, when you don’t have a good answer, you pivot to your talking points and your issues and policies. you basically make every answer a portion of your stump speech. 

the problem the gop/maga has is that they have no talking points, they have no issues or policies, and the trump stump speech is him complaining for 2-3 hours. 

hopefully he does these every day. his daily covid briefings helped him lose in 2020. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I bet we don’t see an official winner (assuming Harris comes out on top on Election Day) until at least December because the Rs will scream fraud and file lawsuits in every blue state. 

Harris should declare herself the winner on ejection night if it’s obvious.

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Posted
1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Paxton might shut down UT, if we did something similar here. 

Carrie Issac already tried.  Introduced a Bill last session to prohibit voting on campuses of higher education, HB 2390.  She claimed it was a security issue.  Never mind that k-12 wasn't included in her bill.  She did later submit a similar bill for K-12, but only after she was called out on it.

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42 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Sounds like they won…

 

 

If true, I really hope this backfires and they still lose the state.

They can now "accidently" mail the old ballots out and then discard the results because the voter used an invalid ballot.

 

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Posted
39 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Hmmmm Trump and Elon or Harris and Cuban….

Fuck Cuban. He’s in bed with the Trumpiest motherfuckin’ family in the country.

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Harris should declare herself the winner on ejection night if it’s obvious.

The Truth Social meltdown will be amazing.

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

He sold his business so he could focus on shit like rock bottom prescription drugs for people. What a monster. Yes, I fucking know who he sold it to, as well. 

Fuck him. He’s business partners with monsters. I’m sure he could have found another buyer to be partners with that doesn’t have Trump’s stench.

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Appeals court in Michigan also just reversed RFK Jr. staying on the ballot.  Emergency relief sought with SCOMI. 

It's fucking PATHETIC that any slapdick moron can run a vanity campaign for POTUS as an "independent", drop out less than 3 months before the election and then sue to get their name taken off the ballot, but only in some states and not others.

American elections are absolute ass, my dude.

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10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Appeals court in Michigan also just reversed RFK Jr. staying on the ballot.  Emergency relief sought with SCOMI. 

It's fucking PATHETIC that any slapdick moron can run a vanity campaign for POTUS as an "independent", drop out less than 3 months before the election and then sue to get their name taken off the ballot, but only in some states and not others.

American elections are absolute ass, my dude.

Everything you said is correct, but I cannot get over the fact that we have a system where the LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY might be determined by how many people in a handful of states decide to vote for a guy who has said he no longer is running for President.

An indictment on both the system and the citizens of this country.

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POD guys talking about how the race is a toss-up, and referencing Nate Silver as supporting evidence. Um, am I the only one who thinks if the election were held tomorrow, Harris might win every swing state? 

Maybe these are things we just shouldn't say out loud.

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12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

POD guys talking about how the race is a toss-up, and referencing Nate Silver as supporting evidence. Um, am I the only one who thinks if the election were held tomorrow, Harris might win every swing state? 

Maybe these are things we just shouldn't say out loud.

I fully expect Harris to win all the swing states and think Florida is close to 50/50.

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Posted
2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Paxton might shut down UT, if we did something similar here. 

Do it. No downside.

The Rs want to talk about election integrity. Expose the corrupt officials.

This is what democracy looks like.

20 minutes ago, Js1 said:

They’re unskewing polls again

 

High on their own supply.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

POD guys talking about how the race is a toss-up, and referencing Nate Silver as supporting evidence. Um, am I the only one who thinks if the election were held tomorrow, Harris might win every swing state? 

Maybe these are things we just shouldn't say out loud.

We shouldn't.

Look, I don't think there's any question that polling has moved slightly in Trump's direction in some of the swing states over the last few days, and that the Trump campaign has gotten off their back foot, and are driving the discourse in many places. That's to be expected and there's no need to sweat that. Harris has superior field organization in every swing state and at least equal enthusiasm, not to mention more positive (as opposed to negative) enthusiasm, and she can get it back with solid campaigning.
But the fact is that this is an extremely tight race in the places that matter and  right now there's 5-7% of potential wiggle in any given one of those places and we should expect it to show up that way in polling. 

I still maintain that that 5-7% who will decide this election, they will lock in as a group, as soon as the week following the debate and by the end of September at the latest, and they will harden from that point absent some kind of major exogenous event*. The debate could not be more important and will quite possibly decide the future of the Republic, not just the outcome of the election. So there's no use in talking about what would happen if the election were held today, because it isn't. 
 



* The Harris campaign and the DOJ should both be extremely vigilant about adversary state actors on this point. Surely someone is planning something. 

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Posted
34 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Appeals court in Michigan also just reversed RFK Jr. staying on the ballot.  Emergency relief sought with SCOMI. 

It's fucking PATHETIC that any slapdick moron can run a vanity campaign for POTUS as an "independent", drop out less than 3 months before the election and then sue to get their name taken off the ballot, but only in some states and not others.

American elections are absolute ass, my dude.

It sure doesn't seem to be consistent with the recent SCOTUS ruling in the Colorado ballot case.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Red Five said:

POD guys talking about how the race is a toss-up, and referencing Nate Silver as supporting evidence. Um, am I the only one who thinks if the election were held tomorrow, Harris might win every swing state? 

Maybe these are things we just shouldn't say out loud.

Yeah, you shoudn't say that shit outloud. Whether you're superstitious, or you don't want Democrats to get overconfident and stay home, it's a bad look. 

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

 

25 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

in what state? Wyoming?

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I think Dick Cheney is a war criminal, but some people view him as a rock-rib patriot (pains me to type this).

Cheney father and daughter need to cut an ad endorsing Harris with Kelly, McMaster, and Mattis walking into the frame in sequence.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


but what about raising taxes on the impoverished?  They don't have a lot of political clout. 

Harris is correctly pointing out that Trumps tariffs are indirect taxes which will impact poor people more.

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Posted
1 minute ago, quigley said:

Harris is correctly pointing out that Trumps tariffs are indirect taxes which will impact poor people more.

The campaign needs to figure out a way to really dumb down the talking points on tariffs. The average idiot has no grasp on how tariffs work. They just think “China bad, stick it to ‘em with tariffs” and magically none of the costs get passed along to consumers.

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17 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

Honestly what is there left to see? This shouldn’t be close.

"There's just nothing to be done about this hellscape we've inflicted upon the rest of the population except keep making it more hellacious"

--conservatives

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Posted
3 minutes ago, royiv said:

The campaign needs to figure out a way to really dumb down the talking points on tariffs. The average idiot has no grasp on how tariffs work. They just think “China bad, stick it to ‘em with tariffs” and magically none of the costs get passed along to consumers.

Just tell people to look at tags in their stuff and find out that half their shit is made in china.

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In a “great” America, Trump is not on the ballot.

In a “sane again” America, Harris wins 350+ EV.

In a “recovering” America, Harris wins 319+ EV.

In a “surviving” America, Harris wins 270+ EV.

In a “failing” America, Trump wins 270+ EV.

In a “failed” America, Trump wins 300+ EV.

 

It really sucks that our country is stuck somewhere between surviving and failing.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, royiv said:

The campaign needs to figure out a way to really dumb down the talking points on tariffs. The average idiot has no grasp on how tariffs work. They just think “China bad, stick it to ‘em with tariffs” and magically none of the costs get passed along to consumers.

They should frame them as a proposal to increase prices, because that's what they are. I think it would be awesome if China wants to manufacture vehicles in Mexico and put them on US car lots for $12,000. That actually helps people who are currently struggling with higher prices. Trump has openly stated that he would use tariffs to make those vehicles cost $36,000.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, royiv said:

The campaign needs to figure out a way to really dumb down the talking points on tariffs. The average idiot has no grasp on how tariffs work. They just think “China bad, stick it to ‘em with tariffs” and magically none of the costs get passed along to consumers.

It baffles me that it can't be simplified for our idiocracy.

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Posted
33 minutes ago, quigley said:

Do it. No downside.

The Rs want to talk about election integrity. Expose the corrupt officials.

This is what democracy looks like.

High on their own supply.

Yep. RCP, Nate Silver and unskewing CNN polls after they unskewed Fox polls a while Back 

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Posted
26 minutes ago, royiv said:

The campaign needs to figure out a way to really dumb down the talking points on tariffs. The average idiot has no grasp on how tariffs work. They just think “China bad, stick it to ‘em with tariffs” and magically none of the costs get passed along to consumers.

I think it’s easier to explain that the last time Trump fucked with tariffs we had to spend billions to bail out the farmers he screwed. 

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Posted (edited)

Semi-related.   TL;DR.  State of Michigan has a contest to select a new "I voted" election sticker.  

https://arstechnica.com/culture/2024/09/internet-picks-werewolf-clawing-off-its-own-shirt-as-new-michigan-i-voted-sticker/

 

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You can't just ask the Internet to vote on something and assume you'll get a "normal" result.

The town of Fort Wayne, Indiana, learned this the hard way in 2011, when an online vote to name a new government center in town went with "Harry Baals." Though Mr. Baals was in fact a respected former mayor of the town back in the 1930s, contemporary officials weren't convinced that his name was chosen out of merely historical interest.

 

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Or there was the time in 2015 when the British Columbia Ferry Service asked Internet users to name its newest ships and perhaps win a $500 prize. Contest entries included:

Spirit of The WalletSucker
The Floating Crapsickle
Royal Docksitter
The Coastal Corruption
HMS Cantafford
Queen of the Damned

 

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Or again—and perhaps most famously—there was the UK government's gloriously naive decision in 2016 to let the Internet pick a new name for a £200 million polar research vessel. And 124,109 members of the general public chose... Boaty McBoatface. (This was later overridden by the government, which named the ship the RRS Sir David Attenborough instead, but one of the boat's remotely operated underwater vehicles was named Boaty McBoatface as a consolation prize.)

Even the not-quite-bleeding-edge-of-tech New York Times recognized in its headline on the story that this is "What You Get When You Let the Internet Decide."

 

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So, despite many years of cautionary tales, the state of Michigan this year launched a contest to design some new "I Voted" sticker designs. (NB: For our non-American readers, these stickers are often given out when you vote in elections so that you can shame any nonvoting friends, family, and colleagues with your civic virtue.)

The state commissioned designs from local school kids, no doubt anticipating that said designs would feature things like heartwarming drawings of the Michigan mitten. And they let the Internet weigh in on the results.

More than 57,000 people did so—and that's why voters across the state, once they cast a ballot in this year's presidential election, might be handed a round sticker featuring a werewolf ripping its own shirt to shreds as it throws its head back and howls like a maniac in front of an American flag. And it is glorious.

Why not?
This piece of inspired artwork came from the mind and pen of 12-year-old Jane Hynous of Grosse Pointe Farms. Though the contest selected nine winners, Hynous' design beat every other entry by a wide margin. (See all winners here.)

The New York Times called Hynous to talk about the sticker and received this terrific quote:

"I didn't want to do something that usually you think of when you think of Michigan," she said. "I was like, 'Why not make a wolf pulling his shirt off?'"

Why not, indeed? Clearly, the Internet has delivered on this one.

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Michigan plans to print a million stickers, which will feature all nine winning designs, and local election clerks will need to order specific designs from the state. (They can also order the original, boring American flag "I Voted" stickers. But why would they?)

So if you live in Michigan, and if this November you want your shirt adorned with an insane werewolf celebrating the vote you just cast, now is the time to let your local clerk know.

Still, despite these great designs, I can't help but feel that an opportunity was lost. No "Votey McVoteface"? Perhaps in 2028.

 

 

 

 

 

And here's the NYT article:

 

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Plenty of the submissions in a statewide contest to design Michigan’s next “I Voted” sticker featured cherry blossoms or American flags fluttering in the wind.

Only one entry, however, depicted a werewolf clawing its shirt to tatters and howling at an unseen moon. A smattering of stars and stripes poke out from behind its brawny torso.

“I Voted,” reads a string of red, white and blue block letters floating above the creature’s open maw.

The illustration, which was created by Jane Hynous, a 12-year-old from Grosse Pointe Farms, Mich., was revealed on Wednesday as one of nine winning designs that the Michigan Department of State will offer local clerks to distribute to voters in the November election.

The werewolf sticker received more than 20,000 votes in the public contest, beating every other entry by a margin of nearly 2,000 votes, said Cheri Hardmon, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of State. The design gained traction on social media among those who found it fitting for an intense, and at times bewildering, moment in national politics.

“If there is ever a year to have an unhinged werewolf ripping its shirt off as the “I Voted” sticker … it’s 2024,” Derek Dobies, the chief of staff of the Michigan A.F.L.-C.I.O., wrote on X.

Jane, who is in seventh grade, seemed unfazed by her victory when reached by phone after school on Wednesday. She drew the demiclad werewolf in about an hour using a pencil case’s worth of felt-tip pens.

“It kind of just came to me,” she said.

She had not initially been enthusiastic when her social studies teacher told students about the contest. But inspiration struck when another teacher put on a movie during class. She said she nailed the design, which was based partially on a meme of a howling wolf, on her first try.

“I didn’t want to do something that usually you think of when you think of Michigan,” she said. “I was like, ‘Why not make a wolf pulling his shirt off?’”

Amy Hynous, Jane’s mother, added, “It’s a strong symbol, and Jane’s very passionate about art.”

Jane submitted her design in a category for elementary and middle school students, but it received more votes than any entry in the categories for older students and adults. Other winning stickers featured a rainbow trout, a buck wearing sunglasses and a cat in an Uncle Sam hat. One employed some Midwest slang, with the text “Ope, I Voted” over a colorful background.

Michigan’s secretary of state, Jocelyn Benson, said she was “overwhelmed by the enthusiasm and creativity from the people of our great state” in a news release announcing the winners.

The contest was suggested this spring by Michigan’s Collegiate Student Advisory Task Force, a group of 34 students who work with the Department of State to encourage civic engagement among young people.

Zena Aljilehawi, 23, the task force’s chair, said the group was inspired in part by the 2022 contest in Ulster County, N.Y., that yielded a viral urchinlike illustration by Hudson Rowan, 14. In a similar contest this year in Kentucky, a grinning humanoid lizard became a social media favorite, only to lose to a more traditional drawing of a horse.

“The margin, while close, is outside the recanvass threshold and Lizard Man has graciously conceded,” Kentucky’s secretary of state, Michael Adams, wrote on social media.

More than 480 designs were submitted to Michigan’s contest, which opened in May. The task force narrowed the pool to 25 options per age group that were put up to a public vote. The werewolf sticker stood out early in the process, Ms. Aljilehawi said.

“When we saw it, we were like, ‘We have a feeling this is going to be a hit,’” she said.

Several members of the task force thought the creature was the Michigan Dogman, a human-canine hybrid who figures in local legends, Ms. Aljilehawi added. That interpretation is not shared by Jane, the artist, who sees the muscular werewolf as a representation of the strength that each American can exercise by voting.

“It was just a random werewolf; it didn’t have anything to do with Michigan,” Jane said.

The Michigan Department of State ordered a total of one million stickers in the various winning designs, which will be free for the clerks at the city, township and county levels, Ms. Hardmon said. Clerks can also offer more standard “I Voted” stickers.

Christina Younes would much prefer the sticker designed by her 14-year-old daughter, Gabby Warner, which reads “I Voted yay” in simple red text. The letter E is scrawled backward, Gabby said, as a nod to her younger sisters who are still learning how to write.

Ms. Younes has heard that her precinct clerk in Rockford, Mich., has already ordered the winning stickers. Although she was “really surprised” her design was selected, Gabby said she looked forward to accompanying her mother to the polls in November.

“We can’t wait to see someone wearing it on Election Day,” she said.

 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, royiv said:

The campaign needs to figure out a way to really dumb down the talking points on tariffs. The average idiot has no grasp on how tariffs work. They just think “China bad, stick it to ‘em with tariffs” and magically none of the costs get passed along to consumers.

Taxes on people with unrealized brains?

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Posted
1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Just get rid of electoral college and this shit wouldn't matter.

Nope, this gambit would pay off in a popular vote scenario as well. Stay on the ballot in populous blue states to siphon votes from Harris and get off the ballot on solid red states. The specific states to sue to come off the ballot would be different but the strategy would still work. This is a separate issue that should be addressed. 

@Js1's campaign to compress the election calendar is a great idea. 

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