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5 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

A lot of very sensible people on this board who were GOPs still can't get over their intense dislike of Hillary Clinton. That's the power of the hate engine. She was its focus for decades as stated above.

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27 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Dang if my job was WFH, I would probably buy something like this and live there from May-September. I would rather live in a prettier part of the state though

1003 Quincy St, Parkersburg, WV 26101 | MLS #5067755 | Zillow

(and redecorate everything of course)

 

20 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/41724-SE-66th-St_Snoqualmie_WA_98065_M21606-30603?from=srp-list-card
 

As an example.  Since much of the homesite work has been done, you could drop a very nice 400k house there and be set for a million or less. 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/Route-1-Parsons-WV-26287/23108006_zpid/

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I don't even think her 2020 debate was all that and a bag of chips - it was good, but nothing epic - and she was seen as the winner by over 20 points (60-38). 

And I think she's gotten better since 2020 as a politician.  And Trump's brain has gotten worse.

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I don't even think her 2020 debate was all that and a bag of chips - it was good, but nothing epic - and she was seen as the winner by over 20 points (60-38). 

And I think she's gotten better since 2020 as a politician.  And Trump's brain has gotten worse.

My wife reminded me that Pence had a fucking fly on his face for like a 1/4 of the debate. 

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19 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I've long had my eyes on sleepier mountain towns in CA for retirement. Nevada City, for example. Wild fires could be a concern though:

Nevada City, California - Wikipedia

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https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/12590-Pasquale-Rd-Nevada-City-CA-95959/61305868_zpid/

sorry for the derail

 

11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

There are some gorgeous mountain towns, but one requirement I have is water access, either big lake or ocean. Which always circles me back to the Alps. There's like Coeur d'Alene, but it can't compete on the food and wine front.

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You know what WV actually NEEDS?  An influx of young, hardworking....brown people.  Ain't that a bitch?

Are you kidding? Just look at how they are ruining Dallas.

Key findings:
Immigrants in Dallas contributed billions in taxes and consumer spending. In 2022, immigrant households earned $10.7 billion in income, with $1.6 billion going to federal taxes and $900.6 million going to state and local taxes, leaving them with $8.2 billion in spending power that can be reinvested in local communities.

Immigrants are helping the city meet its labor force demands. In 2022, immigrants made up 23.2 percent of the city’s population, yet accounted for 28.9 percent of the working age population and 28.4 percent of its employed labor force.

Immigrants are working in fast-growing industries. Immigrants comprised 26.4 percent of STEM workers, 63.2 percent of construction workers, and 39.6 percent of manufacturing workers in 2022, contributing a wide array of skills in fast-growing industries.

Immigrants play a significant role in the city’s entrepreneurs. Immigrants represented 38.9 percent of business owners in the city in 2022 despite making up 23.2 percent of the population.

Immigrants support the federal safety net. In 2022, they contributed $1.1B to Social Security and $274.5M to Medicare.

Language diversity is flourishing in Dallas. In 2022, 41.8 percent of all Dallas residents spoke a language other than English at home. As the demand for multilingual and culturally competent workers grows in the city, immigrants can help fill those jobs.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/economic-impact-report-new-americans-dallas
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2 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

 

There are some gorgeous mountain towns, but one requirement I have is water access, either big lake or ocean. Which always circles me back to the Alps. There's like Coeur d'Alene, but it can't compete on the food and wine front.

The Alps......This fuckin guy!

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

The Alps......This fuckin guy!

Dude the property is crazy cheap. You could retire there easier than any of these places.

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4 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

 

There are some gorgeous mountain towns, but one requirement I have is water access, either big lake or ocean. Which always circles me back to the Alps. There's like Coeur d'Alene, but it can't compete on the food and wine front.

Settle down there, Spendarella. 

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7 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

 

There are some gorgeous mountain towns, but one requirement I have is water access, either big lake or ocean. Which always circles me back to the Alps. There's like Coeur d'Alene, but it can't compete on the food and wine front.

The property I posted is 60-90 minutes from Seattle and the Pacific Ocean.  

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2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Settle down there, Spendarella. 

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I've always felt Scrooge was an underutilized gif.

 

I'm actually closing on a house and moving in town in a week and a half, so my ass isn't going anywhere for quite some time unfortunately.

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The property I posted is 60-90 minutes from Seattle and the Pacific Ocean.  

I mean, on the water. With a dock and stuff.

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3 hours ago, Js1 said:

Depends who is writing Constitution 2.0. If they win out and write it, everyone is going to be given an F-350 to drive. No bike lanes, no EVs, just gas guzzlers for life 

But that highway system...

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

And California is completely outside of my price range for anywhere I'd wave to live there. Just give me some place with a great view and a few acres that doesn't cost 2 million plus. Becuase that's the shit I see now anywhere else I'd want to live. And that's basically Texas Hill Country. 

I remember back when I first started working and I was up in Marin County I told a friend who lived there that as soon as I made some money I'd move there and he indicated it would never get better than then and I should just dive in.

I like the coastal area but with flooding and the fire hazard, doesn't seem like a great bet.  But I'm getting so old my risk horizon is pretty narrow. 

I do wish the Texas Hill Country had taken a page from Marin and created trails in the hills and limited development on the higher elevation of said hills. 

San Antonio and Austin and the Texas Hill Country?  Lot of land rape there.  It doesn't sting so bad here in Dallas because most of the area isn't very pretty.

 

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2 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I remember back when I first started working and I was up in Marin County I told a friend who lived there that as soon as I made some money I'd move there and he indicated it would never get better than then and I should just dive in.

I like the coastal area but with flooding and the fire hazard, doesn't seem like a great bet.  But I'm getting so old my risk horizon is pretty narrow. 

I do wish the Texas Hill Country had taken a page from Marin and created trails in the hills and limited development on the higher elevation of said hills. 

San Antonio and Austin and the Texas Hill Country?  Lot of land rape there.  It doesn't sting so bad here in Dallas because most of the area isn't very pretty.

 

I don't know about SA but it does seem like there is more activity in the Austin area to try to save land.  Glad to see bond money and the Nature Conservancy trying to save what they can.  

This is a derail

I really hope Donald says something so utterly absurd that the small % of undecided voters snap out of it.  What is that?  I don't know... it seems like it is different for each person.  All his craziness somehow is not a trigger point until ONE thing happens.  Like Arlington National Cemetery.  Or the "child care" answer and that one person who asked it.  May there be many ONE things tonight. 

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4 minutes ago, texasdago said:

I don't know about SA but it does seem like there is more activity in the Austin area to try to save land.  Glad to see bond money and the Nature Conservancy trying to save what they can.  

This is a derail

I really hope Donald says something so utterly absurd that the small % of undecided voters snap out of it.  What is that?  I don't know... it seems like it is different for each person.  All his craziness somehow is not a trigger point until ONE thing happens.  Like Arlington National Cemetery.  Or the "child care" answer and that one person who asked it.  May there be many ONE things tonight. 

Re: the childhood care thing. That blew up on X but it’s such a small percentage of people even on X.  I would say most people have no idea that happened. 

A lot of people watch the debates. Way way more than who is following things on social media 

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2 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Donald says something

There's nothing he can say that will actually matter. What needs to happen is a McConnell freeze up, or maybe a stumble, or a collapse. He needs to look frail, unfit, and decaying. That's the only way you get the narrative to shift to his fitness for office, because everything else (fascism, racism, idiocy) is no longer newsworthy. We already know and are numb to that.

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11 minutes ago, G650 said:

Dude the property is crazy cheap. You could retire there easier than any of these places.

To be honest we've been looking abroad. There are a lot of places that will basically give you property if you base your business there. Italy is one of them. However, my daughter is a type 1 diabetic or we would be out of here. My wife loves the idea of moving abroad but is terrified to go that far away in case of complications. After the kid got a D1 scholly for vball the wife started looking in the area. Looks like we will be buying property in the NE. We may buy something and hang out for the 1st couple years. Then bounce when she is a Jr and leave her the house.

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1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

WSJ had a great story some time back about the demographic collapse in the state of West Virginia, due to everyone moving away, low birth rate, and no one moving there.  The state is all olds at this point to the point they can't keep some businesses open five days a week because they don't have young workers.

However, their state ledge was obsessed with immigration at the border.  No ideas about how to get people to move to WV but just keep certain people out.  Meanwhile, the local restaurants can't stay open for dinner anymore.

As part of bringing in Puerto Rico into the US, have Virginia take back West Virginia.

We call it a cost saving measure so we don’t have to make any new flags.

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Just now, Dnaguy said:

As part of bringing in Puerto Rico into the US, have Virginia take back West Virginia.

We call it a cost saving measure so we don’t have to make any new flags.

Then merge the Dakotas and add DC. 

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

To be honest we've been looking abroad. There are a lot of places that will basically give you property if you base your business there. Italy is one of them. However, my daughter is a type 1 diabetic or we would be out of here. My wife loves the idea of moving abroad but is terrified to go that far away in case of complications. After the kid got a D1 scholly for vball the wife started looking in the area. Looks like we will be buying property in the NE. We may buy something and hang out for the 1st couple years. Then bounce when she is a Jr and leave her the house.

Yeah, similar here, until my son is grown we are pretty anchored. Though I hope to start laying the groundwork for eventual emigration at some point.

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13 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

There's nothing he can say that will actually matter. What needs to happen is a McConnell freeze up, or maybe a stumble, or a collapse. He needs to look frail, unfit, and decaying. That's the only way you get the narrative to shift to his fitness for office, because everything else (fascism, racism, idiocy) is no longer newsworthy. We already know and are numb to that.

Sadly true.  There is so much footage of him getting the craziest most insane stuff and the news will pick the one sane clip.  Baffling.  

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1 minute ago, texasdago said:

Sadly true.  There is so much footage of him getting the crazier most insane stuff and the news will pick the one sane clip.  Baffling.  

Yup. They're calling it sanewashing and it's exactly what NYT and CNN have been doing for nearly 10 years.

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Yup. They're calling it sanewashing and it's exactly what NYT and CNN have been doing for nearly 10 years.

The horse race shit they pull to drive ratings is the part I hate the most

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23 minutes ago, G650 said:

I've always felt Scrooge was an underutilized gif.

 

I'm actually closing on a house and moving in town in a week and a half, so my ass isn't going anywhere for quite some time unfortunately.

I mean, on the water. With a dock and stuff.

Croatan? 

Or somewhere on Broad/Linkhorn bay?

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

You know what WV actually NEEDS?  An influx of young, hardworking....brown people.  Ain't that a bitch?

 When the ex and I were first married (early 2000's), we went up to Hartley for Christmas to visit her grandparents. Her Aunt was the school secretary (K-12 in one building) and was lamenting that they would probably be closing down the school district soon, and all the remaining kids in Hartley would have to bus to Dalhart. She was upset because she and her husband were nowhere near ready for retirement, and she would have to find a new job in Dalhart. The grocery store and all the other mom & pop business were in the same boat. Just hanging on by a thread. Then "Big Dairy" moved in. (Farmers die and their kids sell out because they don't want to farm in a dying town) Fast forward 15 years, and the last time I saw her Aunt before my divorce, the school was busting at the seams and they were talking about adding portables. They couldn't hire teachers fast enough, and all the local businesses were doing well. There were even a few new restaurants in town. Was she happy about keeping her job and the town getting a new lease on life? Of course not. She was lamenting how it was "ruined" because she had to hear Spanish at the grocery store.

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15 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Sweet! Got my drinking game laid out...

Good luck with that. Go with the big bottle

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12 hours ago, bluto said:

Winning for Kamala is as simple as during her opening remarks telling the viewers every time Trump lies I’ll touch my ear or some other tell. It’ll be so over the top and come Wednesday most of America will be using that tell among friends family and office mates when calling bullsh on something. 

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Awhile back I saw a video that argued with the death of coal mining West Virginia had too many geographical limitations to ever recover economically. They basically said the entire state should be a national park.

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6 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

 When the ex and I were first married (early 2000's), we went up to Hartley for Christmas to visit her grandparents. Her Aunt was the school secretary (K-12 in one building) and was lamenting that they would probably be closing down the school district soon, and all the remaining kids in Hartley would have to bus to Dalhart. She was upset because she and her husband were nowhere near ready for retirement, and she would have to find a new job in Dalhart. The grocery store and all the other mom & pop business were in the same boat. Just hanging on by a thread. Then "Big Dairy" moved in. (Farmers die and their kids sell out because they don't want to farm in a dying town) Fast forward 15 years, and the last time I saw her Aunt before my divorce, the school was busting at the seams and they were talking about adding portables. They couldn't hire teachers fast enough, and all the local businesses were doing well. There were even a few new restaurants in town. Was she happy about keeping her job and the town getting a new lease on life? Of course not. She was lamenting how it was "ruined" because she had to hear Spanish at the grocery store.

self interest and all that

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4 minutes ago, locodos said:

Croatan? 

Or somewhere on Broad/Linkhorn bay?

Directly across the lake from Croatan, the street I grew up on from age 7 onward actually.

 

I honestly had gotten to the point where I am too old and crotchety to move, but I always told my wife that if we moved, it would be to this street because it's the only place in Virginia Beach you can get a sailboat. Everything else is blocked by bridges, either Rudee Bridge or Lesner. And a house came up. There's only 14 on the street, and with the Croatan lots, only like 37 total on the lake. So they never show up, and when they do they go instantly. I was still kinda torn for several reasons, I like our neighbors, our neighborhood (Shadowlawn) has more kids for my son to hang with, it was more working class but that shit has kinda gone out the window so not as much a factor as before. But the investment is way too good to pass up, and the wife and kid are pretty excited about it. I'm generally a small house person, but it will be nice to have more space as my son gets older, my house now is only 1900 SF.

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Sadly, the election is close enough that tonight’s debate could be a determining factor.

Trump’s winning strategy: his advantage is that the bar for his performance is extremely low.  Winning for him means clearing that low bar (I.e. don’t pull a McConnell freeze moment and don’t say the n word) while hoping Kamala doesn’t clear her much high bar (or goading her into doing something that turns off moderates/never-Trumpers/swing voters, or quells her base’s energy).

Harris’ winning strategy: her advantage is that she is clearly the more qualified candidate and has all of the momentum.  She needs to use the opportunity to highlight that disparity between her and Trump while destroying any notion that she is an extremist.  Her message needs to be one of stability, moderation, and hope.  Any progressive ideas need to be presented as complete common sense and highlight that any objection to them is evil/wierd.  She must avoid misspeaking or losing her train of thought at any point.  A Rick Perry “oops” moment would be fucked.

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6 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Awhile back I saw a video that argued with the death of coal mining West Virginia had too many geographical limitations to ever recover economically. They basically said the entire state should be a national park.

Yeah, you'll see towns that are 20 miles away but two hours apart.  It's all VERY rural except maybe Charleston but if you're a WFH type, need to be somewhat tethered to the NE, and you're outdoorsy, Charleston is a solid option.  Instead, those types all went to Asheville.

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I've come around to thinking this debate won't move the needle at all. Whatever mistakes Trump makes, it will need to be something DRASTIC like shitting his pants on stage or  shockingly racist or misogynistic comments that can't be ignored.

Even if Kamala pastes him, Fox will say Trump won. And so will all the far right personalities, "journalists", and podcasters. And all the people voting or leaning towards Trump will hold the rope.

 

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

America outside of cities has mostly failed. It's wild. 

I can’t tell you how wrong you are, but I love living in a small town on the coast.  Yes small town in Texas or Midwest U.S. is pretty bad, but on either coast and in mountains they can be awesome.  

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4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I've come around to thinking this debate won't move the needle at all. Whatever mistakes Trump makes, it will need to be something DRASTIC like shitting his pants on stage or  shockingly racist or misogynistic comments that can't be ignored.

Even if Kamala pastes him, Fox will say Trump won. And so will all the far right personalities, "journalists", and podcasters. And all the people voting or leaning towards Trump will hold the rope.

 

"Fiery Trump calls Harris a racial slur. Will she be able to fire back before November?" 

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Just now, Hefeweizen said:

I can’t tell you how wrong you are, but I love living in a small town on the coast.  Yes small town in Texas or Midwest U.S. is pretty bad, but on either coast and in mountains they can be awesome.  

This

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9 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Yeah, you'll see towns that are 20 miles away but two hours apart.  It's all VERY rural except maybe Charleston but if you're a WFH type, need to be somewhat tethered to the NE, and you're outdoorsy, Charleston is a solid option.  Instead, those types all went to Asheville.

It's all fun and games until you realize you can't go to Target, Panera, or Whole Foods.

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I've come around to thinking this debate won't move the needle at all. Whatever mistakes Trump makes, it will need to be something DRASTIC like shitting his pants on stage or  shockingly racist or misogynistic comments that can't be ignored.
Even if Kamala pastes him, Fox will say Trump won. And so will all the far right personalities, "journalists", and podcasters. And all the people voting or leaning towards Trump will hold the rope.
 

Fuck everyone in your second paragraph. They’re lost, make no attempt to target them.

But there are a LOT of people who still don’t really know who Kamala is. People who would never in a million years think to tune into a political convention, people who have never heard of Tim Walz or JD Vance, but will make an effort to watch tonight and will be presented with their two voting options side-by-side for the first time. First impressions matter, and it will be Kamala’s one chance to convince the normies that she could be President.

Also, this will be the first time in 8 years that Trump will be debating against someone clearly mentally sharper than he is. None of us have any idea what that will look like, or what the ramifications in general perception might be.

I’d pretty passionately argue that tonight is the single most important night between now and November.
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1 minute ago, Hefeweizen said:

I can’t tell you how wrong you are, but I love living in a small town on the coast.  Yes small town in Texas or Midwest U.S. is pretty bad, but on either coast and in mountains they can be awesome.  

yeah, but that's probably not what he's talking about. there are countless little cities across america whose sole economy is welfare checks. once you leave urban areas and head interior the landscape is pretty bleak. even little towns like Lockhart and others like it cannot survive on their own - they rely on Austin and surrounding large metros to prop up their economy. we haven't done a good job of finding niche economies for those communities once the industry that founded them in the first place has left.

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24 minutes ago, G650 said:

Yeah, similar here, until my son is grown we are pretty anchored. Though I hope to start laying the groundwork for eventual emigration at some point.

We were looking on zillow and you can buy a whole house in the town where my daughter is headed for school for under 100k and it isn't in terrible shape. Wild! Pay cash. Fix it up. Have her rent out a couple rooms to pay the utilities. She can rent it out through graduate school, sell, then use that as a DP for her real house. Generational wealth and all that. I am banking on 2 years of snow/cold and my wife will be ready to go.

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