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18 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

I was talking to Brisket. 

Re: Google Bard, sure keep "dunking" on me for that. I'll poke fun at myself for that one too. I was too trusting of the LLM's to dig up some research and didn't stress test it or even smell test it before posting. Bad on me and we can laugh and make fun of it, because it is legitimate.

What I can't abide is being mischaracterized as a musk fanboi when I don't think he's special or cool and don't particularly like him. That's illegitimate. But again, not directed to you but Brisket, so sorry for quoting my response to you.

1.) Then why did you quote me?
2.) If you meant that you were having an A-B comment on a public message board and I shouldn't have butt into the conversation (which is what I assume you meant here) then, well, buddy...hold on. I need a minute. Because I can't stop laughing. Ok, listen, then I think someone here needs to explain to you how public message boards work. PRO TIP: Don't ask Google Bard "how to message boards work." But if you do, have the balls to come back and post the answer here. 

I mean, laughing at you for that is all I'm doing. That and feeling the need to go to an AI to try and justify your staning of Musk in the first place. Which brings us back to your other point. You claim to be indifferent, but you went to an AI to try and find data to show everyone just how amazing his net worth has been this year, all while selecting a very narrow sample size window that would prove your point in the first place. Gosh, why would anyone here question your feelings on Musk?

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16 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You claim to be indifferent, but you went to an AI to try and find data to show everyone just how amazing his net worth has been this year, all while selecting a very narrow sample size window that would prove your point in the first place. Gosh, why would anyone here question your feelings on Musk?

I think you are a bit confused. Here is a breakdown for you, because you have the timeline and motives wrong:

  1. I posted the NYT quote about Tesla being up YTD $48bn because I read it in an email and thought it was interesting. I specifically thought it was interesting considering his boondoggle and mishandling of Twitter, and commented "wow must be nice to be a billionaire" insinuating you can fail and still succeed because you have such a resource privilege.
  2. However, another poster rightly said, "hey wait, YTD is a stupid metric. Here is why..."
  3. To which I said, "you know what, you are right! It would actually make more sense to look at how Tesla is doing since he bought Twitter (oct.) versus just YTD, like the headline did."
  4. So, because I don't care that much to waste actual real time, I went to AI to find a snapshot of data from a certain period of time (Oct-present).
  5. I did so to get an objective and value-neutral look at where he actually stood in response to Tesla and Twitter and how it impacted his net worth.
  6. I didn't fact-check it and just posted. Dumb. Bad. Haha. etc.
  7. You get confused, as you often do, and post a bunch of weird stuff because you are generally a weird person. Which is cool! I like it, it's your personality.

Ultimately I take blame for quoting you instead of brisket in my response because it was the beginning of your confusion. Hope that clears it up.

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Musk fanboi because I'm neutral to mildly disdainful, according to some

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2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

While we are talking about Musk’s wealth, I want to cross post a fun stat from a different thread. Elon could buy 14-15 Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carriers. (Please don’t start with “but he’s not liquid for that much,” this is illustrative).

I remain completely befuddled as to why we allow this type of thing when a dear family friend just stated a Go Fund Me to pay for treatment after their 23 year old daughter got a shock breast cancer diagnosis. 

That's a loaded weapon of a phrase. Good fodder and prompt for a whole 'nother discussion though on the American (Global?) Economy and Shareholder Capitalism.

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9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

While we are talking about Musk’s wealth, I want to cross post a fun stat from a different thread. Elon could buy 14-15 Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carriers. (Please don’t start with “but he’s not liquid for that much,” this is illustrative).

I remain completely befuddled as to why we allow this type of thing when a dear family friend just stated a Go Fund Me to pay for treatment after their 23 year old daughter got a shock breast cancer diagnosis. 

It's because we're afraid to call our oligarchs out as oligarchs.,

5 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

That's a loaded weapon of a phrase. Good fodder and prompt for a whole 'nother discussion though on the American (Global?) Economy and Shareholder Capitalism.

And because we're afraid of calling out our oligarchs for breaking the social contract and taking a greater and greater share of wealth from society for the last five fucking decades.

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16 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

1.) Then why did you quote me?
2.) If you meant that you were having an A-B comment on a public message board and I shouldn't have butt into the conversation (which is what I assume you meant here) then, well, buddy...hold on. I need a minute. Because I can't stop laughing. Ok, listen, then I think someone here needs to explain to you how public message boards work. PRO TIP: Don't ask Google Bard "how to message boards work." But if you do, have the balls to come back and post the answer here. 

I mean, laughing at you for that is all I'm doing. That and feeling the need to go to an AI to try and justify your staning of Musk in the first place. Which brings us back to your other point. You claim to be indifferent, but you went to an AI to try and find data to show everyone just how amazing his net worth has been this year, all while selecting a very narrow sample size window that would prove your point in the first place. Gosh, why would anyone here question your feelings on Musk?

it's a weird dynamic. every time i think i've nearly got my finger on it, it wriggles away.

there's something about bullies and powerful men going on with it. this weird hero worship of biff from back to the future as some paragon of mankind. it's got something to do with celebrating billy batts (a guy stomped and stabbed to death for saying it) saying "go get your shine box" or some weird infatuation and identification with the morals and worldview of colonel jessup, a worldclass fuckstain villain. there's mixed in some hearkening back to a time where date rape was kind of funny and women were slits and when the strong stuffing the weak into the locker was funny, i guess? being openly racist was funny, and fuck em if they can't take a joke, amiright?

there's more to it, but it's all fucking toxic. that's the glory. 

musk is just another in the list of powerful and/or wealthy men that wraparound oakley bald guy wants to be. i think that must be it.

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I’d rather start with “understanding big numbers” because most of the people who take the side of “we have to have billionaires” do not understand what one billion of anything really means. 

Very true.

But also, there are fundamental problems with how our system is designed (shareholder capitalism) in that, you cannot have a trillion dollar company (of which there are, what, six now with nvidia?) without creating billionaires. It's just not possible with how the system works and how management and ownership of companies in our flavor of free-markets work.

You'd literally need to change the foundations of which organizations are started, built, owned and managed, and the easy/shortest path to that is not palatable to most people because it looks like government intervention and socialism.

The longer term answer, whatever it is, will win a team of economists the Noble Prize and a household name for centuries to come.

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1 minute ago, HamsterHookah said:

Very true.

But also, there are fundamental problems with how our system is designed (shareholder capitalism) in that, you cannot have a trillion dollar company (of which there are, what, six now with nvidia?) without creating billionaires. It's just not possible with how the system works and how management and ownership of companies in our flavor of free-markets work.

You'd literally need to change the foundations of which organizations are started, built, owned and managed, and the easy/shortest path to that is not palatable to most people because it looks like government intervention and socialism.

The longer term answer, whatever it is, will win a team of economists the Noble Prize and a household name for centuries to come.

well, the first step is realizing that things only have value if we value them.

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1 minute ago, HamsterHookah said:

uh huh.

and the real rewards are the friends we make along the way?

um, kind of?

yeah, i'm thinking that's pretty much the biggest part of it.

but it's a fact. elon has billions of something that ony has value because we value it. elon has value as a person because people like you value him. it's not a difficult concept. you kind of come to represent the people with whom you surround yourself and for whom you stan.

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2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

um, kind of?

yeah, i'm thinking that's pretty much the biggest part of it.

but it's a fact. elon has billions of something that ony has value because we value it. elon has value as a person because people like you value him. it's not a difficult concept. you kind of come to represent the people with whom you surround yourself and for whom you stan.

I think you just described our entire monetary and banking system, thought right? It's a confidence game, which is why bank runs (as recently as SVB) happen.

Still not sure what your point is, other than just throwing out a platitude to dismiss, as a "oh well, not much we can do about it because we'd have to change the hearts and minds of men."

My only point was that just saying, "why are there billionaires in the world when people are hungry!" with an implication that it's just a few turns of the knob or a pull of a lever here or there and we can fix that, is childish. You almost literally HAVE to have billionaires for the type of free-market economy we run in America (and arguably, globally) due to shareholders and how ownership in organizations is fundamentally understood, managed and governed.

IMO, it would take a near-on revolution to change that. More likely it would take a full-on, bloody revolution to change that.

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4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

wHiCH iS WHy vIRtuAl cURrEnCy IS tHe oNLy SAfE iNvEStmEnT VEhiCLe. 

This.  It always comes back to this.  Which is also the song of one of the dominant constituencies on Twitter: crypto bros.  On every platform, I get pushed to, randomly followed by, etc., crypto bro after crypto bro.

At least the porn scammers try to entice me with pics of attractive women with impressive attributes (I'm listening....).  The crypto bros just offer explanations about how this time, the sca...I mean, "opportunity"...is different.

People who attack the financial system as "imaginary" with an argument that amounts to "but our imaginary system is better, because of the caliber and quality of the people who believe most fervently in that imaginary system" is fantastic, and is one of the most amusing parts of the new era.  And Elon is here for it (as he is for pretty much every crackpot take to be found out there these days)...and that's why they love him.

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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Did that last post where I attempted to help you understand where you were confused help? Just wanting to make sure to tie off and make sure we got on the same page.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  It always comes back to this.  Which is also the song of one of the dominant constituencies on Twitter: crypto bros.  On every platform, I get pushed to, randomly followed by, etc., crypto bro after crypto bro.

At least the porn scammers try to entice me with pics of attractive women with impressive attributes (I'm listening....).  The crypto bros just offer explanations about how this time, the sca...I mean, "opportunity"...is different.

People who attack the financial system as "imaginary" with an argument that amounts to "but our imaginary system is better, because of the caliber and quality of the people who believe most fervently in that imaginary system" is fantastic, and is one of the most amusing parts of the new era.  And Elon is here for it (as he is for pretty much every crackpot take to be found out there these days)...and that's why they love him.

Are you saying people who say things like "well, the first step is realizing that things only have value if we value them." are cryptobros? That's not the laziest thing you've said, but it's pretty close.

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13 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

Are you saying people who say things like "well, the first step is realizing that things only have value if we value them." are cryptobros? That's not the laziest thing you've said, but it's pretty close.

It's also accurate.  The only things with true, inherent value are the things necessary for survival/comfort: food, water, shelter, etc.  Add "and things that can be used to GET those things," like tools...or....guns and ammo.  On the "comfort" side, add in "a comfy chair and a mattress, a durable cooking pot" that sort of thing.  Again, utilitarian items that can actually be used to advance a base human interest.

Literally everything else has value only because of a collective agreement that it has value.  Don't even tell me that gold has that value - we've long since reached the point where we can make things as shiny and golden as real gold items without using much real gold, or any.  The inherent aesthetic value of gold can be obtained for much less than the price of gold.  Precious metals are fake.  Money is fake.  Crypto is fake.  Credit card points are fake.  Frequent flyer miles are fake.  What makes cryptobros uniquely pathetic is that they think that 1) they're the first guys who REALLY have that figured out, and 2) they have a blind spot that prevents them from seeing that crypto suffers from the same deficiencies as the things they hate.

And the venn diagram of crypto bros and Elon stans are two circles that very closely overlap.   But keep on keeping on.  Maybe you'll find some more suckers.  I'm actually sure you will.  That's the one thing there's never been a shortage of.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's also accurate.  The only things with true, inherent value are the things necessary for survival/comfort: food, water, shelter, etc.  Add "and things that can be used to GET those things," like tools...or....guns and ammo.  On the "comfort" side, add in "a comfy chair and a mattress, a durable cooking pot" that sort of thing.  Again, utilitarian items that can actually be used to advance a base human interest.

Literally everything else has value only because of a collective agreement that it has value.  Don't even tell me that gold has that value - we've long since reached the point where we can make things as shiny and golden as real gold items without using much real gold, or any.  The inherent aesthetic value of gold can be obtained for much less than the price of gold.  Precious metals are fake.  Money is fake.  Crypto is fake.  Credit card points are fake.  Frequent flyer miles are fake.  What makes cryptobros uniquely pathetic is that they think that 1) they're the first guys who REALLY have that figured out, and 2) they have a blind spot that prevents them from seeing that crypto suffers from the same deficiencies as the things they hate.

And the venn diagram of crypto bros and Elon stans are two circles that very closely overlap.   But keep on keeping on.  Maybe you'll find some more suckers.  I'm actually sure you will.  That's the one thing there's never been a shortage of.

Thanks for fleshing out your point, makes more sense. I agree with you by and large except I don't have a real opinion one way or another on cryptocurrency. That's a realm I am almost wholly ignorant of and stay out of because I'm sure I would somehow, in a world where everyone was making millions, lose money.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/twitter-management-idUSKBN2XN3WY

 

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Twitter’s head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin, told Reuters on Thursday that she has resigned from the social media company.

Irwin, who had joined Twitter in June 2022, took over as head of the trust and safety team in November when previous head Yoel Roth resigned. She oversaw content moderation.

Twitter has faced criticism for lax protections against harmful content since billionaire Elon Musk acquired it in October. Irwin’s departure comes as the platform has struggled to keep advertisers, with brands wary of appearing next to unsuitable content.

 

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Musk announced earlier this month that he hired Linda Yaccarino, former NBCUniversal advertising chief, to become Twitter’s new CEO.

An emailed request for comment to Twitter returned an automated reply with a poop emoji.

Fortune earlier reported that Irwin’s internal Slack account appeared to be deactivated.

 

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Since Musk’s acquisition, Twitter has cut costs dramatically and laid off thousands of employees, including many who had worked on efforts to prevent harmful and illegal content, protect election integrity and surface accurate information on the site.

Musk has promoted a feature called Community Notes, which lets users add context to tweets, as a way to combat misleading information on Twitter.

 

 

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22 hours ago, HamsterHookah said:

I was talking to Brisket. 

Re: Google Bard, sure keep "dunking" on me for that. I'll poke fun at myself for that one too. I was too trusting of the LLM's to dig up some research and didn't stress test it or even smell test it before posting. Bad on me and we can laugh and make fun of it, because it is legitimate.

What I can't abide is being mischaracterized as a musk fanboi when I don't think he's special or cool and don't particularly like him. That's illegitimate. But again, not directed to you but Brisket, so sorry for quoting my response to you.

You would think someone (you) that has been stanning TSLA’s stock price bounce for the last four months would have noticed the stock price in the AI response was about 3x higher than the actual price.

AI prompt:  Show me something I want to believe about TSLA stock price

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In other twitter-breaking-slowly news I've heard tweet translation is no longer working. Can't confirm for myself because I don't have an account.

Also just now I saw this. Not sure if it's part of twitter breaking (seems likely) or if something happened to his account.

any intel welcome

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2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

In other twitter-breaking-slowly news I've heard tweet translation is no longer working. Can't confirm for myself because I don't have an account.

Also just now I saw this. Not sure if it's part of twitter breaking (seems likely) or if something happened to his account.

any intel welcome

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He's a Dodger fan.  Whatever happened to him is too good for him.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He's a Dodger fan.  Whatever happened to him is too good for him.

Say what you will be about the Dodgers but Luppe wasn't out there cheating like hmmmm.... like Elron tried .... to get a grad degree from Stanford.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You would think someone (you) that has been stanning TSLA’s stock price bounce for the last four months would have noticed the stock price in the AI response was about 3x higher than the actual price.

AI prompt:  Show me something I want to believe about TSLA stock price

lulwut?

I don't follow the stock and don't own any and have never owned any (much to my detriment, apparently, compared to some of you who bought it a decade ago).

Is it that reporting a factual, topical headline from the likes of NYT, WSJ, etc. is "stanning" or is it something else?

I hope I won't be vilified for noting that I read yesterday that due to Louis Vuitton sales declining and slower growth, ELMO has taken over again as the world's richest man.

I thought that was interesting because whether you love him, like him, hate him or are neutral on him, he's the world's richest man and his maneuvers and antics and news related to him have to be covered if you are going to have a full-context conversation about certain things (World economics, American Capitalism, EV's, and now Social Media and apparently Brain implants?). You can do so without "stanning", is my position.

But for some of you, we live in a world where if you aren't actively against something that makes you fervently for something else.

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22 hours ago, HamsterHookah said:

I think you are a bit confused. Here is a breakdown for you, because you have the timeline and motives wrong:

  1. I posted the NYT quote about Tesla being up YTD $48bn because I read it in an email and thought it was interesting. I specifically thought it was interesting considering his boondoggle and mishandling of Twitter, and commented "wow must be nice to be a billionaire" insinuating you can fail and still succeed because you have such a resource privilege.
  2. However, another poster rightly said, "hey wait, YTD is a stupid metric. Here is why..."
  3. To which I said, "you know what, you are right! It would actually make more sense to look at how Tesla is doing since he bought Twitter (oct.) versus just YTD, like the headline did."
  4. So, because I don't care that much to waste actual real time, I went to AI to find a snapshot of data from a certain period of time (Oct-present).
  5. I did so to get an objective and value-neutral look at where he actually stood in response to Tesla and Twitter and how it impacted his net worth.
  6. I didn't fact-check it and just posted. Dumb. Bad. Haha. etc.
  7. You get confused, as you often do, and post a bunch of weird stuff because you are generally a weird person. Which is cool! I like it, it's your personality.

Ultimately I take blame for quoting you instead of brisket in my response because it was the beginning of your confusion. Hope that clears it up.

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Musk fanboi because I'm neutral to mildly disdainful, according to some

@SydneyCarton Just checking in to make sure you got brought up to speed and are all clear now. I know you were struggling a bit and were confused yesterday so hope this was helpful.

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Since it came up on the last page due to the google bard faux pas by @HamsterHookah I want to state for the record I'm not a "Champion of Capitalism." I used to be, much more so anyway. But watching how stupid fucking airheads such as elron and jack dorsey and thiel (and a few dozen others) got incredibly wealthy by doing nothing of value to society and now think they're geniuses who know everything and are able to buy off politicians left and right to rule the world has me feeling just a little bit down on our current economic system. Capitalism as practiced by the US seems closer to communism than it does the type of healthy capitalism I was taught that's supposed to lead to logical, legal and market-based outcomes.

edit and the only reason I mention it is because it seems to me that "Capitalism is majorly fucked up" is the subtext of this thread.

In other news I went car shopping yesterday and every dealer seems to have a couple of used teslas sitting there collecting dust and they can't give 'em away. I laughed.

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2 hours ago, HamsterHookah said:

@SydneyCarton Just checking in to make sure you got brought up to speed and are all clear now. I know you were struggling a bit and were confused yesterday so hope this was helpful.

Lol. I respect this pettiness Turkey Chew v.9, or whatever. That being said we all know who you, no matter what protestations you want to put forward, at any given moment, I never had any confusion at all about who you are as a poster. 

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4 hours ago, HamsterHookah said:

Is it that reporting a factual, topical headline from the likes of NYT, WSJ, etc. is "stanning" or is it something else?

When you do it after every pop and even better, take it way out of context by cherry picking start dates, then yes it’s stanning.  It’s not something else.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

When you do it after every pop and even better, take it way out of context by cherry picking start dates, then yes it’s stanning.  It’s not something else.

It is something else. It's the ultimate aggy move. First time I heard it when I was a sophomore in high school. I wore a UT shirt to school and was confronted by a teacher that I'd never spoken to before and it went something like this:

Teacher: I don't like your shirt. I went to the other school.

14 year old me: You went to OU?

Teacher: No! I was one of the first girls ever allowed into Texas A and M that wasn't someone's daughter and I'll have you know that we've beaten t.u. more times in your lifetime than they've beaten us!

She went on to say something about scholarship limits.  This was '89 or '90.

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3 hours ago, Bojack said:

It is something else. It's the ultimate aggy move. First time I heard it when I was a sophomore in high school. I wore a UT shirt to school and was confronted by a teacher that I'd never spoken to before and it went something like this:

Teacher: I don't like your shirt. I went to the other school.

14 year old me: You went to OU?

Teacher: No! I was one of the first girls ever allowed into Texas A and M that wasn't someone's daughter and I'll have you know that we've beaten t.u. more times in your lifetime than they've beaten us!

She went on to say something about scholarship limits.  This was '89 or '90.

Did you ask her if it was her safety school?

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