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57 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Just got this this AM from our building. The syphilitic Felon of the United States should stay the fuck out of NYC. 

 

My uncle used to live at 59th and Sutton Place.  CSB.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yep. But not the last part. Maybe not the end of my days. 

Many of the condemnations have described Kirk’s assassination as “senseless.”  It’s an interesting word. I’m assuming they either mean it serves no purpose or that it could not have been anticipated. 

The words I would use to describe the assassination are words like devastating, or tragic. Charlie Kirk’s death is tragic on two levels- the private human tragedy of a wife and children who lose a husband and father in the most shattering possible way, and the tragedy for American Democracy.

I brought up the Reichstag fire earlier. This ain’t that, but what they have in common is that it doesn’t really matter who did it or even what their motive was. What matters is that it provided power and energy to drive historical forces in a certain direction, to drive Europe to war. It “made sense” in the context of its moment. 
Assassinations are like that and in some ways that’s what separates them from murders.  The Minnesota lawmakers were assassinated because their murders fit into “the way things are going,” as people say. They fit into the de-civilizing shift from politics to other means.

Frank Ferdinand was assassinated. So were Lincoln, Anwar Sadat, Ghandi, Allende, Yitzhak Rabin, and so on.  Marinus Lubbe may have set the Reichstag fire but he’s not a major character. He just played the role of “arsonist”. Even though  Gavrilo Princip set events in motion that took 100 million lives, he’s not widely seen as a major villain. In Serbia he’s a national hero, but mostly he’s just the guy who happened to play the role of inevitable spark that sets the world on fire and if it wasn’t him it would have been somebody else. Did Lubbe set the fire? Did Jefferson Davis orchestrate the conspiracy to kill Lincoln? Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? Does it *aftually* matter?

When Princip pulls the trigger all the pieces are in place for World War. When Lincoln died the pieces are in place to roll back reconstruction.  When Kennedy goes to Dallas the pieces are in place in Vietnam, big business is eyeing Vegas, and the largest generation in history is already starting to think out loud about whether the whole structure of society is a meat grinder.

My point is that until we know who did it, we won’t know the specifics of why Kirk died. But we intuitively understand why, because it sadly, tragically fits into the way things are going. We don’t know how this chapter of history ends (it will end, but we don’t know how or when), but it feels like we’re in the climax, the moment when things get really bad. 

But they don’t have to! There have been other times when it felt this way. There’s always another chapter. The farmer’s son falls from his horse and is injured. People console the farmer. “We’ll see,” he says. War breaks out and the army doesn’t take his son. People are happy for the farmer. “We’ll see.” 

You know my point of view and my posture here remains the same. It goes bad a long, long time: I walk in the sunshine, I try to be a good neighbor, I buy Green Tips, and pray to never need them. My priorities are to do good, work hard and have a good time. With any luck my grandchildren will tell their kids about their silly old grandfather, a jolly old soul with malice towards none who armed himself for reasons which, in retrospect, made no sense. 

One thing that's really gnawing at me today is the response from notable liberals to Kirk's murder. It's not that it's bad for public officials and other notable liberals whose voices carry weight to speak out against political violence. But there was an immediate rush for them to get statements out yesterday like we've never seen before. I'm pretty sure Obama never even made a public statement about Melissa Hortman's assassination, but he had a statement out within like 30 minutes yesterday. Hortman was an elected representative and literally someone Obama had met and hosted at the White House.  But her assassination and the attempted assassination of another elected representative by a right winger with a hit list with like 70 more liberals on it (including Obama) didn't merit anything. That was just a fucking Tuesday, or whatever. And look at Ezra Klein's opinion today, just straight up lying to his audience that Kirk did politics "the right way." And I'm sure there's plenty of other similar statements/articles from liberal commentators pretending that Charlie Kirk was a great guy with whom they just had normal political disagreements.

There's only two explanations I can think of for this, neither of them good. First, it could just be conscious or even subconscious pre-emptive surrender on their part. Maybe they just think the fight has already been lost and they've resigned themselves to fascism dominion over America and don't want to endanger themselves. But if that's the case, I find it absolutely ridiculous. Yeah things are bad and everyone here knows I've been saying this shit is going to get very bad for a long time. But like I said yesterday, I don't know that this really gives them any ammunition to ratchet their propaganda up further because their reaction to this is virtually identical to their reaction to a million trivial things. There's already a fire raging, and this doesn't help, but I don't know that it really pours any substantial amount of gas on the fire and I still think there is a chance the fire can be contained, if not quickly extinguished. Just look at how incompetent they've been at so much of their attempt to consolidate power. Look at how fucking old and worthless Trump looks. Look at Republicans begging Pritzker to let them invade Chicago a little bit just as a treat. They are not a vigorous, unstoppable movement, and for liberals with real platforms to treat them as if they are is fucking embarrassing.  

The alternative, and I don't know if it's worse or better, is that they simply view Kirk as one of "them" in a way that a lowly state representative isn't, and that they just fundamentally think people of their social status matter more than a lowly state representative, much less us normal people.  That they just see it all as a game and think the players on the other side are as Good as they are, regardless of what they say or do.

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2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

I don't think I agree with you here. The only reason I know the name Charlie Kirk is because of this messageboard. After his death like 3 friends talked about it. I was on a call with peers at work and someone asked outloud "Who is this Kirk guy that died? just got an alert" from a team of people who watch CNBC daily. I think if you are super active online it probably feels the way you bolded, but I'm not seeing it in real life.

The markets have been shrugging off everything. Tariffs, for the most part. Bombing Qatar (Hamas) was a huge deal with huge implications-- barely registered on mainstream media fronts. All anyone cares about in the world I see everyday has been a) Oracle's out of the blue story b) "did you see the new iphone air? when are airbuds 3.0 coming?", and most importantly and the bullhorn in every room c) AI bubble/boom. And that seems to be all the market cares about as well right now.

tl;dr Long way to say, I don't agree it feels like a climax. Kirk is not a Lincoln or Franz Ferdinand or anyone else of widespread fame/infamy. He seems to be known, loved or hated, by the chronicaly online and vocal minority.

These are the shit-bags who don't pay attention to current events and just blindly pull the lever for whatever turrible Republican candidate is on the ballot. They don't bother educating themselves or paying attention to the building burning down around them. I'm guessing they're older, probably white male Boomers that have it pretty well locked down. Nice house, kids off doing their own things, several nice vacations per year, country club membership, etc. You know, "winning."

 

30 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

One thing that's really gnawing at me today is the response from notable liberals to Kirk's murder. It's not that it's bad for public officials and other notable liberals whose voices carry weight to speak out against political violence. But there was an immediate rush for them to get statements out yesterday like we've never seen before. I'm pretty sure Obama never even made a public statement about Melissa Hortman's assassination, but he had a statement out within like 30 minutes yesterday. Hortman was an elected representative and literally someone Obama had met and hosted at the White House.  But her assassination and the attempted assassination of another elected representative by a right winger with a hit list with like 70 more liberals on it (including Obama) didn't merit anything. That was just a fucking Tuesday, or whatever. And look at Ezra Klein's opinion today, just straight up lying to his audience that Kirk did politics "the right way." And I'm sure there's plenty of other similar statements/articles from liberal commentators pretending that Charlie Kirk was a great guy with whom they just had normal political disagreements.

There's only two explanations I can think of for this, neither of them good. First, it could just be conscious or even subconscious pre-emptive surrender on their part. Maybe they just think the fight has already been lost and they've resigned themselves to fascism dominion over America and don't want to endanger themselves. But if that's the case, I find it absolutely ridiculous. Yeah things are bad and everyone here knows I've been saying this shit is going to get very bad for a long time. But like I said yesterday, I don't know that this really gives them any ammunition to ratchet their propaganda up further because their reaction to this is virtually identical to their reaction to a million trivial things. There's already a fire raging, and this doesn't help, but I don't know that it really pours any substantial amount of gas on the fire and I still think there is a chance the fire can be contained, if not quickly extinguished. Just look at how incompetent they've been at so much of their attempt to consolidate power. Look at how fucking old and worthless Trump looks. Look at Republicans begging Pritzker to let them invade Chicago a little bit just as a treat. They are not a vigorous, unstoppable movement, and for liberals with real platforms to treat them as if they are is fucking embarrassing.  

The alternative, and I don't know if it's worse or better, is that they simply view Kirk as one of "them" in a way that a lowly state representative isn't, and that they just fundamentally think people of their social status matter more than a lowly state representative, much less us normal people.  That they just see it all as a game and think the players on the other side are as Good as they are, regardless of what they say or do.

Or it could simply be plain old self-preservation. Rightly or not, the right wingers who want an eye for an eye for Kirk are going to see some of these folks as just like him but on the other team. They could become targets themselves.

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56 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

One thing that's really gnawing at me today is the response from notable liberals to Kirk's murder. It's not that it's bad for public officials and other notable liberals whose voices carry weight to speak out against political violence. But there was an immediate rush for them to get statements out yesterday like we've never seen before. I'm pretty sure Obama never even made a public statement about Melissa Hortman's assassination, but he had a statement out within like 30 minutes yesterday. Hortman was an elected representative and literally someone Obama had met and hosted at the White House.  But her assassination and the attempted assassination of another elected representative by a right winger with a hit list with like 70 more liberals on it (including Obama) didn't merit anything. That was just a fucking Tuesday, or whatever. And look at Ezra Klein's opinion today, just straight up lying to his audience that Kirk did politics "the right way." And I'm sure there's plenty of other similar statements/articles from liberal commentators pretending that Charlie Kirk was a great guy with whom they just had normal political disagreements.

There's only two explanations I can think of for this, neither of them good. First, it could just be conscious or even subconscious pre-emptive surrender on their part. Maybe they just think the fight has already been lost and they've resigned themselves to fascism dominion over America and don't want to endanger themselves. But if that's the case, I find it absolutely ridiculous. Yeah things are bad and everyone here knows I've been saying this shit is going to get very bad for a long time. But like I said yesterday, I don't know that this really gives them any ammunition to ratchet their propaganda up further because their reaction to this is virtually identical to their reaction to a million trivial things. There's already a fire raging, and this doesn't help, but I don't know that it really pours any substantial amount of gas on the fire and I still think there is a chance the fire can be contained, if not quickly extinguished. Just look at how incompetent they've been at so much of their attempt to consolidate power. Look at how fucking old and worthless Trump looks. Look at Republicans begging Pritzker to let them invade Chicago a little bit just as a treat. They are not a vigorous, unstoppable movement, and for liberals with real platforms to treat them as if they are is fucking embarrassing.  

The alternative, and I don't know if it's worse or better, is that they simply view Kirk as one of "them" in a way that a lowly state representative isn't, and that they just fundamentally think people of their social status matter more than a lowly state representative, much less us normal people.  That they just see it all as a game and think the players on the other side are as Good as they are, regardless of what they say or do.

Too lazy to look it up but Obama had to have made a statement about the Hortman murder.

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10 minutes ago, LonghornSean said:

Too lazy to look it up but Obama had to have made a statement about the Hortman murder.

I didn’t look for long but I did google it and I couldn’t find anything.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

The alternative, and I don't know if it's worse or better, is that they simply view Kirk as one of "them" in a way that a lowly state representative isn't, and that they just fundamentally think people of their social status matter more than a lowly state representative, much less us normal people.  That they just see it all as a game and think the players on the other side are as Good as they are, regardless of what they say or do.

Interesting idea. I wouldn’t agree that it’s a class thing per se, but Ezra Klein directly called Charlie Kirk one of “us,” in a list that included Ben Shapiro, and said he wanted Kirk to be safe for his project for the sake of his (Klein’s) own project.

For the record I found Charlie Kirk‘s politics appalling (no surprise) and even dangerous on basically every level. But I agree with Ezra Klein about how he conducted them: in the open, transparently, with words. In a healthy Republic you don’t die for that. 

in any case there’s no getting around the fact that he’s a martyr now and the convergent narrative on the right is that they tried to reason with the rest of America, and his murder  is just another sign that the time for civil disagreement is coming to an end.

And if I’m being honest it’s hard to disagree, which is why this feels like a pretty big deal. Going back to my previous point- it doesn’t really matter if the assassin was a “ radical leftist” who wanted to shut up Charlie Kirk, or if it was a right winger who wanted him to be a martyr, or a rogue element who wanted to accelerate chaos as a pretext for authoritarian crackdown, or even just a lone nut. The direction of travel is the same. 

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The direction of travel is the same. 

Especially when those in charge are drunk on hooch and high on adderall.

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9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And if I’m being honest it’s hard to disagree, which is why this feels like a pretty big deal. Going back to my previous point- it doesn’t really matter if the assassin was a “ radical leftist” who wanted to shut up Charlie Kirk, or if it was a right winger who wanted him to be a martyr, or a rogue element who wanted to accelerate chaos as a pretext for authoritarian crackdown, or even just a lone nut. The direction of travel is the same.

I'd disagree with you here. If the dude turns out to be some podcast obsessed MAGA loon who thought Kirk wasn't Trumpy enough anymore or wanted to incite the civil war or whatever, is obviously changes things substantially. Maybe you're right and the end point is the same, but it at least lowers the temperature way the fuck down.

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17 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Interesting idea. I wouldn’t agree that it’s a class thing per se, but Ezra Klein directly called Charlie Kirk one of “us,” in a list that included Ben Shapiro, and said he wanted Kirk to be safe for his project for the sake of his (Klein’s) own project.

For the record I found Charlie Kirk‘s politics appalling (no surprise) and even dangerous on basically every level. But I agree with Ezra Klein about how he conducted them: in the open, transparently, with words. In a healthy Republic you don’t die for that

in any case there’s no getting around the fact that he’s a martyr now and the convergent narrative on the right is that they tried to reason with the rest of America, and his murder  is just another sign that the time for civil disagreement is coming to an end.

And if I’m being honest it’s hard to disagree, which is why this feels like a pretty big deal. Going back to my previous point- it doesn’t really matter if the assassin was a “ radical leftist” who wanted to shut up Charlie Kirk, or if it was a right winger who wanted him to be a martyr, or a rogue element who wanted to accelerate chaos as a pretext for authoritarian crackdown, or even just a lone nut. The direction of travel is the same. 

I agree with this. I don't agree that that's an accurate characterization of what Kirk actually did though. He wasn't a right wing Ezra Klein, he was much closer to Joseph Goebbels. He actively encouraged harassment and threats against his political opponents and even helped organize transportation for insurrections to the capitol on January 6th. To see guys like Klein pretend otherwise is fucking bizarre. 

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4 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Lieutenant Dan: They gave you the Congressional Medal of Honor
Charlie, from the grave: [with dirt covering his lifeless body, from hearing his voice] now, that's Lt. Dan
Forrest Gump: [climbs out, excitingly] Lt. Dan!
Lieutenant Dan: They gave you the Congressional Medal of Honor
Charlie, from the grave: yes sir, they surely did
Lieutenant Dan: they gave you, an imbecile, a moron who goes on television and makes a fool out of himself in front of the whole damn country, the Congressional Medal of Honor

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Trump having presentation consistent with stroke or TIA at the 9/11 memorial not getting any discussion here? 

I always assume everything is fake and AI. Do we know this video is real?

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2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I always assume everything is fake and AI. Do we know this video is real?

Consistent with the pics I saw from AP. 

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8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

The reasonable among us have already accepted that his body has been occupied by a succubus, and he'll never die.

Sorry had to do it: 

 

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53 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Wouldn’t it be something if on top of all that’s transpired over the last day, Fat Boy dies over the weekend. 
 

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Ironically this would make me, and many others, believe in God again and the Christianity will enjoy the renaissance it has craved for decades.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Wouldn’t it be something if on top of all that’s transpired over the last day, Fat Boy dies over the weekend. 
 

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that would be absolutely a vibe at the tailgate

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1 hour ago, Goofyboy said:

He’s melting.

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It’s a 911 memorial, so he’s probably thinking about the beautiful foot wedges that led to his club championship. 

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6 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Just got this this AM from our building. The syphilitic Felon of the United States should stay the fuck out of NYC. 

 

That was supposed to be the couch fucker but he decided the kirk memorial was more important than the 911 memorial

 

41 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

It’s a 911 memorial, so he’s probably thinking about the beautiful foot wedges that led to his club championship. 

from a different angle - he also reportedly fell asleep during the ceremony

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2 hours ago, Pancho said:

Wouldn’t it be something if on top of all that’s transpired over the last day, Fat Boy dies over the weekend. 
 

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why wait? there's still two days left in the week! he could give us something to make today suck a little less forever

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59 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I'm also guessing that Newsom takes a hiatus from his Trump mocking? Because, of course, it's always on the left to be respectful.

He might want to lay low for a few weeks.  I put the odds of at least an attempt on him soon at about 50/50

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3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Trump having presentation consistent with stroke or TIA at the 9/11 memorial not getting any discussion here? 

 

3 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

He’s melting.

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3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

 

3 hours ago, Pancho said:

Wouldn’t it be something if on top of all that’s transpired over the last day, Fat Boy dies over the weekend. 
 

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