Horns Down

[Helobious 9465]

Seems to be a topic of much debate. It got flagged at least twice today when WVU players did it, and I know I've seen it flagged other times. Most of the time however it doesn't get flagged. Curious as to what people think about how it should be called. 

[Zavala 1384]

Like everything with unsportsmanlike it's a grey area. If they just throw it up it's no big deal, everybody loves to hate the big boys. 

If they wave it in Texas players, cheerleaders, cowboys/spurs faces, they deserve the unsportsmanlike. If they are taunting people with it they should get the penalty. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

How about just don’t act like a jack ass?

Edited November 4, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[TKthunder2 4973]

Didn’t we get called for something similar a few years ago when someone holstered finger guns against Tech?

[mulletpelini 5209]

If a Texas player horns up into an opponents face/fans/coaches is it a penalty?  If so, theres your answer.

[Neonmoon 38127]

It shouldn’t be a penalty. But neither should doing the thumbs down or guns down (which we’ve both been flagged for)

call it the same either way, don’t care which way

[Jersey Man10 3500]

Difference was they did it to the fans.

[dcar00 14002]

Just now, TKthunder2 said:

Didn’t we get called for something similar a few years ago when someone holstered finger guns against Tech?

Mike Davis to the crowd.  once that happened I was all in on flagging any horns down.  its a slippery slope.  if they get to do it then we get to do whatever the hell we want.

[Helobious 9465]

1 minute ago, Zavala said:

Like everything with unsportsmanlike it's a grey area. If they just throw it up it's no big deal, everybody loves to hate the big boys. 

If they wave it in Texas players, cheerleaders, cowboys/spurs faces, they deserve the unsportsmanlike. If they are taunting people with it they should get the penalty. 

I didn't agree with the call on Sills in the first quarter after he did it. But when multiple WVU players did it & were yelling at the crowd after Grier ran in the 2-pointer, I agreed with the flag on that. Classless hicks.

[El Hornarino 367]

Fuck em

[dcar00 14002]

1 minute ago, mulletpelini said:

If a Texas player horns up into an opponents face/fans/coaches is it a penalty?  If so, theres your answer.

really?  Its our hand sign.  if WVU wants to do their hand sign to our crowd fine.

[Rockethorn1978 6061]

How about acting like you’re sticking your thumb up your ass as you cross the goal line? You know just to watch aggy heads explode.

[Lhorn 4872]

Also one is a positive thing for yourself and the other is disrespecting the other team. Not saying I agree with flagging but to say cheerin for yourself should be treated the same as taunting the other team is silly 

[CBHorn 414]

I'd rather be flicked off than have the horns down thrown my way.

 

Why does everyone we play have a fucking chip on their shoulders?

[mulletpelini 5209]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

really?  Its our hand sign.  if WVU wants to do their hand sign to our crowd fine.

It's not the sign, it's how you apply it and to whom.  My point was the application, doesn't really matter if up or down.  If I give you the finger upside down its still the finger

[dcar00 14002]

Just now, mulletpelini said:

It's not the sign, it's how you apply it and to whom.  My point was the application, doesn't really matter if up or down.  If I give you the finger upside down its still the finger

um no.

[Gambrinus 51]

Horns down should be the exclusive domain of OU. They've done it forever. Nobody else has the right to disrespect us except maybe arky.  Unsportsmanlike conduct if done on the field.

[Huckleberry 32660]

The only point in doing it is to taunt the opposing team; it should absolutely be a penalty. As should thumbs down against A&M, guns down against Tech, sarcastic gator chomps against Florida, etc.

The only exception to doing an opponent's hand sign upside down being a penalty should be Texas doing horns up against Oklahoma.

[Chopper 17056]

I dgaf either way but if you are going to enforce taunting there should be a clear line and the only way to have a clear line is if you enforce taunts like 'horns down.'

[TexArcher 37414]

If it's pointed at our players or bench, absolutely that's taunting.

If it's pointed at the crowd after a score, that's not any different than the shhh gesture.  Flagging that is stupid.

[Tex Pete 20121]

22 minutes ago, mulletpelini said:

If a Texas player horns up into an opponents face/fans/coaches is it a penalty?  If so, theres your answer.

Are you a dumbass? Horns up is our hand sign and celebrating our team. Horns down is meant to mock us, which is textbook taunting. 

[Tex Pete 20121]

Taunt:

verb 1. provoke or challenge (someone) with insulting remarks.

[dcar00 14002]

8 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I dgaf either way but if you are going to enforce taunting there should be a clear line and the only way to have a clear line is if you enforce taunts like 'horns down.'

exactly.  its not our fault the NCAA opened up pandora's box.

[Pato del Muerto 52234]

A lot of stuff shouldn’t be taunting, including horns down. As long as a lot of stuff still is, the horns down should be. 

Like a few years ago when I think Poona caught one for taking a bow after a sack. 

[Armybrat 40648]

Taunting the fans, no flag.

taunting at the players or coaches, flag it.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

What if we do the OU hand sign?

 

[dcar00 14002]

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Taunting the fans, no flag.

taunting at the players or coaches, flag it.

roy williams got a flag once for slapping our own fans hands after a TD at HOME.  NCAA opened the box.  it took them about 15 years to apply it equally to us.  

[Armybrat 40648]

Yeah, that was bogus.

[Armybrat 40648]

6 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

What if we do the OU hand sign?

 

Wtf?

[n64ra 1073]

Call it every time. If someone can explain how Horns down is sportsman-like conduct, I'll change my mind.

[phdhorn 6224]

It's not a "special" taunting, but it's taunting.  Not because it's "worse" to UT fans than any other thing (finger pointing, throat slashing, etc.).  But it's one form of unsportsman like conduct.  So yes.

Hell I say on any type of score, there should be a  "flagrant" taunting and if you do it, the score is wiped off.  No fucking excuse for being an asshole.  Make the dickwad who taunts openly have to explain to the team how he just cost them that game.  Bet he don't taunt anymore.

[sidis 9686]

couple of years ago, i saw a tennessee player actually ejected for a doing the gator chomp to fans in the swamp after a td.

similarly, i saw a miami player get an unsportsmanlike at fsu for doing the tomahawk chop or whatever.

if they call that, call it.  horns down isn't a unique exception beyond the fact that every team we play seems to do it.

[UTEX_ME 4752]

42 minutes ago, CBHorn said:

I'd rather be flicked off than have the horns down thrown my way.

 

Why does everyone we play have a fucking chip on their shoulders?

I'll never get this. We've sucked for almost a decade. 

[Augustus 3061]

35 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

The only point in doing it is to taunt the opposing team; it should absolutely be a penalty. As should thumbs down against A&M, guns down against Tech, sarcastic gator chomps against Florida, etc.

The only exception to doing an opponent's hand sign upside down being a penalty should be Texas doing horns up against Oklahoma.

I'm trying to picture a sarcastic gator chomp.

[MillerEP 30311]

It’s taunting plain and simple, and everybody knows it, otherwise they wouldn’t do it.

 

The fact that it’s disrespectful is the entire reason they do it.

[Zavala 1384]

12 minutes ago, Augustus said:

I'm trying to picture a sarcastic gator chomp.

They do it. It doesn't get called. 

It would be like if a Gator player scored then did the semi-hole "chop", it's a shitty move.

[Knoxtnhorn 5923]

I'm not a snowflake; however, the rule is as the rule is.  If they know it can be called - i.e. taunting - then call it.  If it's not taunting, according to the rules, then do it.  

[TexasMan 10736]

I remember Mike Davis putting the guns back in the holster in Lubbock in 2013 and getting a 15 yard penalty for it.

So if that’s a penalty, then so is the horns down.

[TXSG8R 3325]

7 minutes ago, Zavala said:

They do it. It doesn't get called. 

It would be like if a Gator player scored then did the semi-hole "chop", it's a shitty move.

Yea, most teams that score against us in the swamp will do a chomp and then a throat slash to the end zone crowd, never gets called. Only time I’ve seen an opposing chomp called is when they have done it directly in a players face, and even that isn’t automatic unless the guy is over the top with it. 

[Zavala 1384]

2 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Yea, most teams that score against us in the swamp will do a chomp and then a throat slash to the end zone crowd, never gets called. Only time I’ve seen an opposing chomp called is when they have done it directly in a players face, and even that isn’t automatic unless the guy is over the top with it. 

Yup. I don't fuckin care though because the swamp is so fucking hostile, they are just begging to get it even worse. 

Not like DKR, full of weekend warrior fans and their families. 

I'm surprised they haven't' made a big push to change the "make em eat shit" part of our fight song lol

[texaslong 678]

Even if you don't believe it should be, WV deserved every flag they got for it. The fact that Holgorsen talked to the officials before the game about doing the horns down is mind blowing. He actually talked to the refs about disrespecting our team before the game. He's a piece of shit in my book. 

From ESPN

Mountaineers coach Dana Holgorsen said afterward that he was "disappointed" the penalty was called, saying he had "communicated with the refs" beforehand about whether the gesture would be flagged.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25168332/west-virginia-mountaineers-david-sills-v-draws-taunting-penalty-giving-double-horns-gesture-texas-longhorns

[David Dennison 18487]

1 hour ago, mulletpelini said:

It's not the sign, it's how you apply it and to whom.  My point was the application, doesn't really matter if up or down.  If I give you the finger upside down its still the finger

Your team sucks dick and we own you, therefore your opinion is invalid.

[Valmy77 13086]

If taunting is going to be a penalty than the horns down should be a penalty. But they need to be consistent on stuff like this so people know the rules, suddenly penalizing it when people have been doing it for years is shitty. But arbitrary bullshit is pretty common in football officiating (though not as common as it is in basketball officiating).

Edited November 4, 2018 by Valmy77

[fattyflattie 4636]

Yeah Holgo checking the legality of it beforehand is chickenshit. 

[dcar00 14002]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Yeah Holgo checking the legality of it beforehand is chickenshit. 

of course he is.  

[immortal13 4059]

It is sacred, so yes it should be a penalty. 

[Bobby Light 76]

Horns down is the definition of taunting IMO

 

I hope today sets a precedent

[0xdeadbeef 1617]

Some of you are fucking snowflakes.   Taunting is standing over a downed player and yelling at them, or running past the other sideline and yelling shit.   Making some hand sign as you score a touchdown is not taunting.  That was such a bullshit call, as was the call to toss the starting lineman.   I was embarrassed to be on the receiving end of that. 

 

[Tex Pete 20121]

5 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Some of you are fucking snowflakes.   Taunting is standing over a downed player and yelling at them, or running past the other sideline and yelling shit.   Making some hand sign as you score a touchdown is not taunting.  That was such a bullshit call, as was the call to toss the starting lineman.   I was embarrassed to be on the receiving end of that. 

 

If it’s not taunting, nothing is. It is taunting by definition. It is solely done to ridicule the opponent, no matter how dense you may be. 

[Your Mom 4774]

I love seeing it. It’s a foolproof indicator an inferiority complex, insecurity, and being more concerned about our status than their own. All of those behaviors detract from their focusness and let us know we are in their heads. It may not always give us enough advantage to pull off a win but it sure never hurts us.   It disgusting, disrespectful, and childish and I wish we saw it happen EVERY SINGLE GAME.