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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And all the fucking moron Trump supporters will never have a problem with him taking their donations and using them for other stuff, because he makes them feel good.

I love it, because that’s a lot of money that will never be used to help other Republicans win elections, and I am starting to encourage any MAGA I know that if they’re gonna donate, donate directly to him because the RNC is a bunch of losers.

I wonder how much of what he has raised would not have been raised by the RNC to begin with.  Would be an interesting study to see how many of his contributors were regular RNC donors, or are they mainly rubes who've fallen for his schtick.  

Either way, when he fails to win in 2024, they will blame the RNC, and in a way they won't understand, they'd be right.  

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21 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I wonder how much of what he has raised would not have been raised by the RNC to begin with.  Would be an interesting study to see how many of his contributors were regular RNC donors, or are they mainly rubes who've fallen for his schtick. 

I'm sure plenty were not regular RNC donors (or even voters), but the flipside is that they (the RNC) are probably spending money in races that they might not otherwise have had to spend it on, because Trump made the Democrats competitive (see the battlegrounds states).

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7 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Agreed that it is remarkable how little social engagement that the Biden tweet had.

Just your typical holiday fare from a normal, decent president and human being. It's been two years but it's still nice to see again. 

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The best part is they’ll start a legal fund to combat these allegations of campaign fund fraud and the stupids will pour millions into it.  Only to find out years later that halF if that was stolen too

The dumbest shit you ever came up with friends at a bar, and it’s sanctified policy for 35% of our country.  

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10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm sure plenty were not regular RNC donors (or even voters), but the flipside is that they (the RNC) are probably spending money in races that they might not otherwise have had to spend it on, because Trump made the Democrats competitive (see the battlegrounds states).

I would guess the RNC money is down too, due to people not liking the way the party was transformed and eventually compromised by Trump and his con.  So they've lost money to TFG and because of him.  

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4 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

How low can you go?

Doesn't matter.

His approval rating among motivated GQP primary voters is 300%.  We all know he wins the GQP nomination in a cakewalk.  And then, we all know that the GQP strategy in battleground states is not to win votes.  It is to 1) repress as many Dem votes as possible, 2) start making noise about "corruption and election irregularities" early and often (with zero regard for the fact that there will be zero evidence of same), and then 3) have GQP-controlled state legislatures declare Trump the winner because the election was hopelessly flawed.

A candidate who is despised by 2/3 of the country is not even a speed bump for the GQP's authoritarian plans.

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

The best part is they’ll start a legal fund to combat these allegations of campaign fund fraud and the stupids will pour millions into it.  Only to find out years later that halF if that was stolen too

The dumbest shit you ever came up with friends at a bar, and it’s sanctified policy for 35% of our country.  

And as someone who has come up with some of the dumbest shit OF ALL TIME at a bar.....yeah.  Concur.  Which, again, makes me think that the DUMBEST thing I've ever done is skip out on any opportunity to part these morons from a shitload of their well-earned disability checks, SS payments, etc.  I mean, not only can we rip them off blind, we have a goddamned moral obligation to do so.

I mean, I would be MORTIFIED if someone who would have been protected by my MS-13 insurance ends up victimized by one of the MS-13 roving hoards that terrorize all white people.  That would be AWFUL, and I don't know how I could sleep at night.

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10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And as someone who has come up with some of the dumbest shit OF ALL TIME at a bar.....yeah.  Concur.  Which, again, makes me think that the DUMBEST thing I've ever done is skip out on any opportunity to part these morons from a shitload of their well-earned disability checks, SS payments, etc.  I mean, not only can we rip them off blind, we have a goddamned moral obligation to do so.

I mean, I would be MORTIFIED if someone who would have been protected by my MS-13 insurance ends up victimized by one of the MS-13 roving hoards that terrorize all white people.  That would be AWFUL, and I don't know how I could sleep at night.

Along those lines:

 

 

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Seriously, this fucking simulation.  

He's trying to exert "executive privilege" to keep a guy from adhering to a legitimate investigation with the argument that "You can't talk to them Mike, about that time I threatened to have you hanged because I might have you hanged."  What a fucking bizarro abusive relationship Trump supporters are in, "Sorry sweetheart, but if you go to the cops to talk about how I keep beating you, I may have to beat you again."

I am not remotely fucking kidding, somewhere in his testimony, Pence is still gonna revert back to old relationship paradigms and tell the lawyers/judges, "But having said that, you don't know what it was like when we were alone.  Just the two of us.  He was capable of great love and compassion."  

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7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

And then, we all know that the GQP strategy in battleground states is not to win votes.  It is to 1) repress as many Dem votes as possible, 2) start making noise about "corruption and election irregularities" early and often (with zero regard for the fact that there will be zero evidence of same), and then 3) have GQP-controlled state legislatures declare Trump the winner because the election was hopelessly flawed.

They couldn't do it in 2020 with a DOJ and White House controlled by Trump, and he's managed to shift the battleground states farther to the left, to the point where they may not even  be battleground states next year.

While there are plenty of MAGA shitheads floating around the various states and their legislatures, as well as Congress, who would gladly and illegally try to overturn an election, as evidenced by their actions in 2020, there are also plenty who realize that Trump has been dragging the GQP down, and that Trump risks completely knocking the GQP out of power for many years to come.

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8 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Since the other dotard thread has been hijacked by Hillary Hour, here's dotard, again, attempting to keep Pence from testifying.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-lawyers-appeal-order-pence-testify-special-counsels/story?id=98476888

 

 

The only thing really interesting about that is going to be how fast the DC Circuit plows through it.

I think it took em 36 or 48 hours to blow through the Corcoran appeal.

From what I can glean from the interesting aspect of Pence's subpoena, the Speech and Debate argument, he cannot be asked about things that people said to him or vice versa on January 6, while presiding over the Senate, except at his option.  Because the only time VP acts as a legislator with regard to the electoral count is when he sits on the chair.

Apparently everything Trump and anyone else said to him leading up to 1/6 is fair game.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-latest-accounting-gambit-just-failed?ref=home

 

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Already drowning in legal trouble from his recent arrest and two other potential criminal indictments on the horizon, former President Donald Trump continues to delay the New York attorney general’s attempt to bankrupt him—this time, by finding Republican-friendly accountants in Texas.

His family company, the Trump Organization, was forced to scramble and find new accountants early last year amid accusations it regularly faked business records to inflate assets. The shunned Trumps settled on Whitley Penn, a relatively unknown accounting firm that doesn’t even rank among the “Big Four”—not even among the big four in North Texas.

 

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But a potential reason Trump selected Whitley Penn became obvious to AG Letitia James’ investigators last month, when the small firm made clear it wouldn’t simply comply with her team’s subpoenas in New York seeking information about the Trump Organization’s latest finances.

In a March 23 letter, Whitley Penn’s lawyer cited “constraints imposed by confidentiality obligations” and explained how Texas law shields clients from undue intrusions of privacy.

 

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Claiming that it “takes no position on the outcome here,” the Texas accounting firm serving as the Trumps’ “independent auditor” said it would only turn over records “if the Trump Organization consents” or if a judge steps in.

Luckily for James, a judge just did that.

New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur F. Engoron—a judge who has grown exasperated at Trump’s delay tactics and had to intervene half a dozen times to force the former American president to comply with the most basic legal processes—issued an order Friday compelling Whitley Penn to turn over the relevant documents.

 

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In a single year, Engoron has ordered Trump to show up to his deposition at the AG’s office, slapped him with a $110,000 fine for not turning over records, forced him to share documents, and repeatedly batted down attempts to get him replaced as judge.

And so on April 7, Engoron weighed in yet again—this time signing off on an agreement between the AG’s office and Trump’s lawyers that permits the accounting firm to turn over records—and get a certified public accountant to answer investigators’ questions.

The AG’s Office now expects Whitley Penn to hand over what it requested in its Feb. 14 subpoena: any agreement it has with the Trumps, as well as copies of any internal Trump Organization documents it has inspected to prepare the company’s financial statements. Investigators also want any communications Whitley Penn had with the accountants it replaced over at MazarsUSA.

Those communications could prove pivotal, after MazarsUSA ditched the Trump Organization once it became clear that Trump’s financial statements were based, at times, on nothing more than his own self-aggrandizing bluster.

While respectable accountants normally stand by their assessments and number crunching, MazarsUSA placed an alarming disclaimer on Trump’s financial documents, saying its CPAs “have not audited or reviewed the accompanying financial statement,” leaving a gaping hole for accountability. AG investigators may soon discover if Trump’s new outside auditors have the same conveniently cozy and lazy arrangement.

Whitley Penn’s lawyer in New York City, Christopher E. Duffy, did not respond to a request for comment. Neither did the Trump Organization nor the AG’s Office.

But these documents could be pivotal for investigators to see whether the Trumps continue to overstate the value—and even the physical size—of the properties they own across the country.

In September, James sued Trump for $250 million for “persistent and repeated fraud” in a lawsuit that seeks to kill off his company and bar its executives from running businesses in New York. Her civil lawsuit is a mirror image of a criminal investigation that was originally led by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, though prosecutors there have opted instead to pursue separate charges over the way he allegedly faked business records to hide a hush money payment to a porn star to keep quiet about his extramarital affair.

James’ case against Trump is scheduled to go to trial in October, one of the many trials he faces between now and the general election in 2024. Trump launched a presidential bid last year to return to the White House for a second term, though he’ll go through several rounds of legal hell on the way toward the finish line. James’ lawsuit threatens to siphon nearly $1 billion from the real estate tycoon, which would severely harm his reputation and spending power in the coming months.

Although it’s civil in nature, James’ fraud investigation might still uncover evidence that could be handed over to Manhattan criminal prosecutors. Trump is scheduled to be deposed by AG investigators in New York on Thursday, which would mark the second time this former head of state would have to answer the AG’s questions under oath. Last time, he tried to pull a power move and shift the meeting at the last minute away from the AG’s offices in Lower Manhattan over to his more comfortable digs at Trump Tower—something The Daily Beast exposed last September.

In their recent subpoena, investigators expressed an interest in interviewing Camron Harris, a CPA and “audit partner” at Whitley Penn. Harris did not respond to questions on Monday.

The small Texas firm’s co-founder and chief financial officer, Jim Penn, has a long history of giving to Republican political campaigns and has contributed more than $53,000 to the GOP since just 2020. He was the first person at his firm to donate to Trump’s 2016 campaign, and he did it again the next time around.

 

 

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1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

so if the plaintiff's attorneys don't know the juror's names, then they can't research their social media history.

Sounds like a good way for a magat to get past voir dire.

 

 

Even if the parties get jury sheets on the day of selection, there are jury research vendors who can produce almost instant results of campaign contributions and some social media activity. Yes, more time makes things easier, but it’s not impossible 

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3 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

so if the plaintiff's attorneys don't know the juror's names, then they can't research their social media history.

Sounds like a good way for a magat to get past voir dire.

 

 

I'm becoming a firm believer in "Was Barack Obama a Muslim?" as the maga voir dire litmus test. They'll answer "no" but the body language says otherwise.

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5 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-latest-accounting-gambit-just-failed?ref=home

 

 

 

 

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In a single year, Engoron has ordered Trump to show up to his deposition at the AG’s office, slapped him with a $110,000 fine for not turning over records, forced him to share documents, and repeatedly batted down attempts to get him replaced as judge.

And so on April 7, Engoron weighed in yet again—this time signing off on an agreement between the AG’s office and Trump’s lawyers that permits the accounting firm to turn over records—and get a certified public accountant to answer investigators’ questions.

The AG’s Office now expects Whitley Penn to hand over what it requested in its Feb. 14 subpoena: any agreement it has with the Trumps, as well as copies of any internal Trump Organization documents it has inspected to prepare the company’s financial statements. Investigators also want any communications Whitley Penn had with the accountants it replaced over at MazarsUSA.

Those communications could prove pivotal, after MazarsUSA ditched the Trump Organization once it became clear that Trump’s financial statements were based, at times, on nothing more than his own self-aggrandizing bluster.

While respectable accountants normally stand by their assessments and number crunching, MazarsUSA placed an alarming disclaimer on Trump’s financial documents, saying its CPAs “have not audited or reviewed the accompanying financial statement,” leaving a gaping hole for accountability. AG investigators may soon discover if Trump’s new outside auditors have the same conveniently cozy and lazy arrangement.

Whitley Penn’s lawyer in New York City, Christopher E. Duffy, did not respond to a request for comment. Neither did the Trump Organization nor the AG’s Office.

But these documents could be pivotal for investigators to see whether the Trumps continue to overstate the value—and even the physical size—of the properties they own across the country.

In September, James sued Trump for $250 million for “persistent and repeated fraud” in a lawsuit that seeks to kill off his company and bar its executives from running businesses in New York. Her civil lawsuit is a mirror image of a criminal investigation that was originally led by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, though prosecutors there have opted instead to pursue separate charges over the way he allegedly faked business records to hide a hush money payment to a porn star to keep quiet about his extramarital affair.

James’ case against Trump is scheduled to go to trial in October, one of the many trials he faces between now and the general election in 2024. Trump launched a presidential bid last year to return to the White House for a second term, though he’ll go through several rounds of legal hell on the way toward the finish line. James’ lawsuit threatens to siphon nearly $1 billion from the real estate tycoon, which would severely harm his reputation and spending power in the coming months.

Although it’s civil in nature, James’ fraud investigation might still uncover evidence that could be handed over to Manhattan criminal prosecutors. Trump is scheduled to be deposed by AG investigators in New York on Thursday, which would mark the second time this former head of state would have to answer the AG’s questions under oath. Last time, he tried to pull a power move and shift the meeting at the last minute away from the AG’s offices in Lower Manhattan over to his more comfortable digs at Trump Tower—something The Daily Beast exposed last September.

In their recent subpoena, investigators expressed an interest in interviewing Camron Harris, a CPA and “audit partner” at Whitley Penn. Harris did not respond to questions on Monday.

The small Texas firm’s co-founder and chief financial officer, Jim Penn, has a long history of giving to Republican political campaigns and has contributed more than $53,000 to the GOP since just 2020. He was the first person at his firm to donate to Trump’s 2016 campaign, and he did it again the next time around.

 

 

Perhaps you’re not aware, but all trump financial documents have a disclaimer that math should be double checked. So he’s good 

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23 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Seriously, this fucking simulation.  

He's trying to exert "executive privilege" to keep a guy from adhering to a legitimate investigation with the argument that "You can't talk to them Mike, about that time I threatened to have you hanged because I might have you hanged."  What a fucking bizarro abusive relationship Trump supporters are in, "Sorry sweetheart, but if you go to the cops to talk about how I keep beating you, I may have to beat you again."

I am not remotely fucking kidding, somewhere in his testimony, Pence is still gonna revert back to old relationship paradigms and tell the lawyers/judges, "But having said that, you don't know what it was like when we were alone.  Just the two of us.  He was capable of great love and compassion."  

Watching all of the spineless GQP hacks on the debate stage kissing dotards fat ass is gonna be a hoot. "Don't vote for Trump.....vote for me! Because I was early on the Trump train, I had Trump's back every time the evil dems tried to take down our lord and savior, and I will do everything Trump will do. Also Trump is the  bestest president of all time. But seriously.....vote for me!" 

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12 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Sure, but Trump won't participate in them.  He has no need to.  2016 primaries was a trial run (how many did he miss that cycle?) and it still didn't matter.

 

You think Trump has the discipline to pass up  the opportunity to embarrass DeSantis and the rest of the 3rd stringers on the debate stage in front of a sycophant moderator on prime time television?

Respectfully agree to disagree.

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2 hours ago, Stilicho said:

I'm becoming a firm believer in "Was Barack Obama a Muslim?" as the maga voir dire litmus test. They'll answer "no" but the body language says otherwise.

"Who is the current President of the United States of America?" would be undefeated.

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I remember in high school AP Government class, we had to produce a statistically accurate poll and see how many people could name the current President and then Vice President.  and we just assumed it'd be 99%.  And we did at some mall and then in front of a grocery store.  And it ended up being like only 80% could name the President at the time and less than half could name the Vice President.  Our of a few hundred people, with margin of error and all that.  

Years later after law school and dabbling in politics, I realized "Yeah, people can't name a supreme court justice or a cabinet member because they're just busy with their own lives and it doesn't really matter."  But now in middle age, I realize people are happy and proud of themselves for not knowing.  And they won't say who the President is because they think it's either a plane crash victim who never ran for office anyway or an indicted game show host. And they could swell up with more pride if they tried.  

Our prize mistake.  A stunning lack of imagination.  

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7 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-latest-accounting-gambit-just-failed?ref=home

 

 

 

 

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In a single year, Engoron has ordered Trump to show up to his deposition at the AG’s office, slapped him with a $110,000 fine for not turning over records, forced him to share documents, and repeatedly batted down attempts to get him replaced as judge.

And so on April 7, Engoron weighed in yet again—this time signing off on an agreement between the AG’s office and Trump’s lawyers that permits the accounting firm to turn over records—and get a certified public accountant to answer investigators’ questions.

The AG’s Office now expects Whitley Penn to hand over what it requested in its Feb. 14 subpoena: any agreement it has with the Trumps, as well as copies of any internal Trump Organization documents it has inspected to prepare the company’s financial statements. Investigators also want any communications Whitley Penn had with the accountants it replaced over at MazarsUSA.

Those communications could prove pivotal, after MazarsUSA ditched the Trump Organization once it became clear that Trump’s financial statements were based, at times, on nothing more than his own self-aggrandizing bluster.

While respectable accountants normally stand by their assessments and number crunching, MazarsUSA placed an alarming disclaimer on Trump’s financial documents, saying its CPAs “have not audited or reviewed the accompanying financial statement,” leaving a gaping hole for accountability. AG investigators may soon discover if Trump’s new outside auditors have the same conveniently cozy and lazy arrangement.

Whitley Penn’s lawyer in New York City, Christopher E. Duffy, did not respond to a request for comment. Neither did the Trump Organization nor the AG’s Office.

But these documents could be pivotal for investigators to see whether the Trumps continue to overstate the value—and even the physical size—of the properties they own across the country.

In September, James sued Trump for $250 million for “persistent and repeated fraud” in a lawsuit that seeks to kill off his company and bar its executives from running businesses in New York. Her civil lawsuit is a mirror image of a criminal investigation that was originally led by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, though prosecutors there have opted instead to pursue separate charges over the way he allegedly faked business records to hide a hush money payment to a porn star to keep quiet about his extramarital affair.

James’ case against Trump is scheduled to go to trial in October, one of the many trials he faces between now and the general election in 2024. Trump launched a presidential bid last year to return to the White House for a second term, though he’ll go through several rounds of legal hell on the way toward the finish line. James’ lawsuit threatens to siphon nearly $1 billion from the real estate tycoon, which would severely harm his reputation and spending power in the coming months.

Although it’s civil in nature, James’ fraud investigation might still uncover evidence that could be handed over to Manhattan criminal prosecutors. Trump is scheduled to be deposed by AG investigators in New York on Thursday, which would mark the second time this former head of state would have to answer the AG’s questions under oath. Last time, he tried to pull a power move and shift the meeting at the last minute away from the AG’s offices in Lower Manhattan over to his more comfortable digs at Trump Tower—something The Daily Beast exposed last September.

In their recent subpoena, investigators expressed an interest in interviewing Camron Harris, a CPA and “audit partner” at Whitley Penn. Harris did not respond to questions on Monday.

The small Texas firm’s co-founder and chief financial officer, Jim Penn, has a long history of giving to Republican political campaigns and has contributed more than $53,000 to the GOP since just 2020. He was the first person at his firm to donate to Trump’s 2016 campaign, and he did it again the next time around.

 

 

Think that dipshit was smart enough to get payment up front?

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7 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

so if the plaintiff's attorneys don't know the juror's names, then they can't research their social media history.

Sounds like a good way for a magat to get past voir dire.

 

 

Given that this is a federal civil case, the jury selection under any circumstances would be among the most abbreviated one could find.  This just makes it moreso.

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2 hours ago, Horndog said:

That will play well in his attempt to change venue because he can't get a fair trial.

How did Tucker obtain absolution so quickly for 

"We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights, I truly can't wait. I hate him passionately,"

Who did the Cruz here?

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6 hours ago, Red Five said:

Will there even be republican primary debates?

50% chance it's just Nikki Haley and DeSantis

6 hours ago, Genco said:

You think Trump has the discipline to pass up  the opportunity to embarrass DeSantis and the rest of the 3rd stringers on the debate stage in front of a sycophant moderator on prime time television?

Respectfully agree to disagree.

50% chance Trump won't let anybody get between him and a camera for a live nation-wide event (how many of his recent rallies have been carried live, nation-wide?  0?).

However, if Atlanta and DOJ indictments go down this year and they are even half-as-bad as they could be, he has to be careful who is on the stage, because somebody with half-a-spine could easily lure him offsides and get him raging in a way that's not very flattering, in a way that we haven't seen him raging in public.

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