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26 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

If you go back to the night of January 6th, there was no doubt from anyone that what we had just witnessed was historic and terrible.  You had some Republicans, like Lindsay Graham, throw their hands in the air and declare that they were through with Trump.  Others tried to blame Antifa/BLM.  But nobody tried to say what happened was no big deal.

The fact that "it was basically a tourist visit" and "nobody was actually in danger" is the apparent line of defense at this point is one of the most infuriating (and predictable) developments in recent political history.  Traitors, all around.

 Kevin McCarthy is perhaps the example I prefer to Lindsey. Flipping from calling Trump the day of the attack asking him to call off the mob  (the "who the fuck do you think you're talking to" call) to refusing to support the bipartisan commission.

That is some serious power hunger and fear.

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5 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

“... my lawyer said WHAT about me?”
 

For anyone who basically walked into the Capitol and did nothing else but stand there this is the best defense there is and this lawyer knows what he’s doing if that’s really all his client did. I have no idea if that’s the case.

 If they smashed windows, hit cops, yelled out “where’s pence or Nancy,” etc. it won’t work. Also you actually have to be that way for it to work. 

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2 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Not really, you charge them all.  Let the psychiatrists figure out the rest during a trial - maybe 1% of these are truly determined to be incompetent.  The rest are slow but not so slow as to justify these actions. 

Why do we even have to identify the 1%? 

In Texas we try to execute the mentally handicapped, why should these assholes be treated differently?

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48 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Why do we even have to identify the 1%? 

In Texas we try to execute the mentally handicapped, why should these assholes be treated differently?

I don’t think we have to - their defense attorneys will be the ones doing that...

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3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The issue is discovering which ones are among that group and which ones were using that group as cover when they entered, isn't it?

No, there is no issue here.  Every damn one of them should have hanged within a week of their stunt.

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On 5/14/2021 at 5:13 AM, HenryJames said:

 

From the LA Times this weekend. A lengthy story on Nordean and how a small community has dealt with him and his family.

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DES MOINES, Wash. — 

Dozens of merchants here on the shore of Puget Sound received a letter in August of 2019 decrying the rise of far-right extremism in America — and its arrival in their town.

“Here in our own community, a prominent seafood restaurant on Marine View Drive has a connection with the Proud Boys,” it said.

The organizers of the mailing — who left out their names and the name of the restaurant because they feared retribution — enclosed a sign that read “Hate has no business here” for businesses to post in their windows.

Few did, but word was spreading in Des Moines.

 

Ethan Nordean, an on-and-off assistant manager at his father’s restaurant, Wally’s Chowder House, was a rising star in the violent, far-right hate group that made its name brawling with left-wing activists. The issue divided the town.

Some residents were calling for a boycott or at least for Ethan’s father — who billed his restaurant as a place where “you’ll be treated like family” — to denounce his son and white supremacy.

“Even if the owners don’t share the beliefs, they need to address it,” Byron Viles, an auto parts store manager, wrote in a post on a community Facebook page that attracted more than 500 comments last June. “Silence is part of what brought Hitler to power.”

 

A restaurant decorated in lights advertises on a signboard that its dining room is open.

Wally’s Chowder House, owned by Mike Nordean, became the focus of controversy in Des Moines, Wash., when his adult son and sometimes employee, Ethan, became prominent in the far-right Proud Boys.
(Richard Read / Los Angeles Times)

 

Others defended Ethan’s parents, Mike and Judy Nordean, saying they should not be held responsible for the activities of their adult son.

“Boycotting them for something out of their control is silly without proof they are involved themselves,” wrote Marcus Emery, a fellow restaurant owner.

After reaching a fever pitch last summer, the controversy receded, and for a few months it seemed that Wally’s might simply go back to being good old Wally’s.

Then on Jan. 6, the Proud Boys took the lead in the march on the U.S. Capitol, reaching the steps ahead of the larger mob that stormed the building to try to block the certification of Joe Biden’s election as president.

Front and center was a 30-year-old dressed in black with sunglasses and a tactical vest: Ethan Nordean.

Wally’s was a pillar of Des Moines, a marina town of 30,000 whose popularity among retirees made it more conservative than Seattle, 15 miles north.

Locals came to celebrate birthdays and anniversaries. Tourists came for fresh Northwest salmon and Dungeness crab.

Greeting customers at the door was Mike Nordean, who had dedicated his life to the restaurant business. He got his start in high school busing tables at a local DoubleTree Inn, quickly working his way up to bartender and catering manager.

He was fresh out of college in 1979 when his first wife died in a car accident. Even after he remarried, he remained close to his first wife’s parents, and in 1991 he joined them to buy a drive-in restaurant in Buckley, Wash., a logging town southeast of Seattle. Two years later they opened Wally’s.

The restaurants flourished, affording Mike and Judy a grand house in the Seattle suburb of Auburn and a vacation home in Arizona, where at 65 he now spends much of his time.

 

Mike and a younger Ethan Nordean outside.

Mike Nordean, left, and his son, Ethan, as a young man at a family gathering.
(Nordean family)

He described himself as moderately conservative — while supporting gay rights and diversity among his staff — but kept his politics out of banter with customers and shunned social media. She frequently broadcast her pro-gun, anti-Muslim and anti-gay views on Twitter.

Ethan Nordean grew up around the restaurants. His father called him “Dude Man” and taught him to ski, wakeboard and drive ATVs.

Trying out for Little League when he was around 9, Ethan swung and missed repeatedly until bursting into tears, his father recalled.

“I think he was upset not because of the coach, but because he felt he was disappointing me,” he said. “I thought, ‘Oh, man, I’m putting too much pressure on him.’”

After Mike Nordean bought out the partnership, Ethan and his stepsister — Judy’s daughter from a previous marriage — stood to take over the family business one day.

When Gavin McInnes, a founder of Vice Media, launched the Proud Boys during the 2016 presidential election, he described it as an all-male group of “Western chauvinists” who opposed political correctness and white guilt.

It attracted men with misogynistic and anti-Muslim views and ties to white supremacists. Experts on extremism have labeled it a hate group.

Joining the group was “one of the best decisions I’ve ever made,” Ethan Nordean told Alex Jones, the right-wing conspiracy theorist.

In a 2018 interview on Jones’ internet show, he said he had attended his first right-wing rally in May 2017 in Seattle.

“That’s where I was introduced to the Proud Boys, who allowed me to network with like-minded men,” he said, telling Jones that the group defended 1st Amendment rights that police, controlled by liberal politicians, failed to uphold.

 

“You start to kind of develop this feeling that these are no longer people who are necessarily Americans per se, but they’re kind of anti-America,” he said.

Mike Nordean said that his son had floundered since joining the Navy out of high school in hopes of becoming a SEAL, only to wash out of basic training. A bodybuilder, he worked in a gym and sold fitness supplements until his father hired him as a dishwasher, then as an assistant manager.

The Proud Boys appeared to offer the sort of camaraderie and acceptance that he longed for, Mike Nordean said.

 

Mike and Ethan Nordean

Mike Nordean, left, on vacation in Cannon Beach, Ore., with his son during Ethan’s high school years.
(Nordean family)

 

When Ethan and another employee at Wally’s told him they had joined a patriotic organization that protected antiabortion protesters and others from violent leftists, Nordean strongly disapproved, he said.

“I just looked at them and I said, ‘Guys, this is a really bad idea.... If this gets in the way of your jobs, you’ll both be fired,’” he recalled. “I was so against it, and so angry.”

It took a year, but Nordean said that on May 5, 2018, he fired his son.

Ethan Nordean’s rising profile in the Proud Boys “really started to affect the business and the employees,” his father said. “I could sense it in the community.”

Jessi Bird, a waitress at the time, said that staff members who answered the phone were routinely accused by callers of being racists. Regulars at the restaurant were asking questions too.

“I didn’t know what to say,” Bird recalled. “Because if you’re spending money here, you are maybe in some way supporting what Ethan’s doing, flying all over the country attending rallies.”

Tension grew that June when video of Ethan knocking out an antifa, or anti-fascist, activist at a rally in Portland went viral, making him something of a folk hero on the extreme right.

“It’s beautiful,” Jones said of Ethan’s sweeping right hook during their interview the next week. “How good did it feel, at least later, once you saw his head hit the pavement?”

“Well, like Gavin McInnes says, violence isn’t great, but justified violence is amazing,” Nordean said with a chuckle.

Bird said that Ethan and fellow Proud Boys gathered at the restaurant at least three times after rallies that summer and enjoyed food and drink on the house.

 

She said she and Ethan had often debated politics but that she demurred after he took the nom de guerre Rufio Panman — a reference to a character in “Hook,” a movie about Peter Pan and his Lost Boys — and began getting in street fights.

In her view, Ethan’s beliefs came from a lack of exposure to people of other backgrounds, and the influence of his mother — who declined to comment for this story.

On Aug. 3, 2018, Judy Nordean tweeted: “Antifa is another word for ISIS. They dress the same. They behave the same and [they] have no accountability. America is watching!”

In another tweet that day, she expressed admiration for President Trump and asked whether he could do anything about Portland, Ore., Mayor Ted Wheeler giving antifa “a pass” to attack citizens.

The next day, Ethan brawled with antifa activists in Portland.

Ethan Nordean was becoming a pariah in Des Moines and beyond.

That fall, he and his new wife, Cory Dryden, a longtime waitress at Wally’s, had to cancel their wedding celebration after managers at Kiana Lodge in Poulsbo, Wash., learned he was in the Proud Boys and told them they were not welcome.

 

Mike Nordean

Mike Nordean, owner of Wally’s Chowder House, thought son Ethan would never leave the Proud Boys without a job in the family restaurant business — but the affiliation was taking a toll.
(Richard Read / Los Angeles Times)

Employees at Wally’s began to fear for their safety after their photographs showed up on social media next to threats against Ethan, according to a recently settled lawsuit that Rose-Ann “Roxi” Wills — a waitress and Bird’s sister — filed last year against the business and its owners, alleging a hostile work environment and wrongful termination.

Trying to help his son, Mike Nordean eventually hired him back.

The lawsuit said that Ethan Nordean returned in November 2018. Mike Nordean disputed that, saying he didn’t employ Ethan again until January of 2020 — and not at Wally’s but as an assistant manager at his other restaurant.

The manager there, Kimarie Johnson, said Mike Nordean told her that it was their best hope for getting Ethan out of the Proud Boys.

“I felt like it could almost kill Mike, like he’d have a heart attack or stroke out,” she said. “He said, ‘I’ve just got to get him away from these people.’”

But Ethan was no less willing to leave the group than his family’s opponents in Des Moines were willing to give up their fight.

“We owe a boycott of Wally’s to future Des Moines citizens,” Brian Hansen, an Army veteran, wrote last June on a community Facebook page. “We do not want it to become a bigger Proud Boy hangout.”

 

Heather Caputo, a grocery store worker, wrote: “This is hard for me because I have always had such positive experiences there, but I also don’t want my money to support any hate groups.”

Others made note of Judy Nordean’s tweets — and of a 2019 post that appeared on the Wally’s Chowder House Facebook account promoting a far-right rally in support of a man accused of trying to run down left-wing protesters with his pickup while flying a Confederate flag.

The post had quickly disappeared, but not before Julie VanSanten, a home-schooling mom in town, captured a screenshot, which she posted as the online debate amped up last year.

“Great catch Julie,” wrote Jayme Quinn Wagner, a Des Moines homemaker, on the Facebook forum.

 

A group of men marching to the U.S. Capitol

Proud Boys members including Ethan Nordean, right, help lead the march to the U.S. Capitol before overrunning it on Jan. 6.
(Carolyn Kaster / Associated Press)

Other Facebook commenters came to the Nordeans’ defense.

“Every time I see something about this I go buy a couple hundred in gift cards from Wally’s,” wrote Carri Litowitz, a Trump supporter who worked at her husband’s construction company.:

Mike Nordean said he realized last spring that the uproar was endangering his business.
“It started to catch fire, the onslaught online,” he said. “We had almost a five-star rating on Yelp, and those people went after that.”

He decided that he had no choice but to fire Ethan again. He also persuaded his wife to take down her Twitter account, and he hired a crisis communications consultant to launch a damage-control campaign.

“Let me say right off the bat that I love my son,” he wrote in a public statement on June 19 last year. “That said, I admit that I was slow to recognize how radical and violent that group is.”

“Until very recently, my wife and I were blind to the ideology that our son supports,” the statement said. “We were told by our son that this group was a ‘patriotic’ group that were ‘protectors’ who stood up for freedom of speech and traditional values. We regretfully believed him.”

Nordean wrote that Ethan no longer worked for the restaurants. He said he had also fired Dryden, his son’s wife.

Townspeople had mixed reactions.

Pat Glaze, a commenter on a local news blog, criticized Nordean for publicly condemning Ethan, asking: “What kind of a loser throws his own child under the bus to appease violent anti-American leftists?”

 

Other residents welcomed the statement, although many found it implausible that the couple didn’t know about the group’s extremism much earlier.

The next month, Des Moines citizens learned that the city had given Wally’s $2,500 in pandemic relief funding to cook meals for veterans and senior citizens. Several residents demanded to know why their taxes were indirectly helping a hate group.

Samantha Scown, a teacher, asked the City Council at a meeting in July to take some action to show that Des Moines did not support racists.

“It’s just kind of a stain on our city,” she said.

Anthony Martinelli, a city councilman who favored removing Wally’s from the meal program, received a cease-and-desist letter from Nordean’s lawyer threatening to sue him for defamation.

“He is saying that he doesn’t support what his son supported,” Martinelli said in an interview. “I hope that he’s not doing that just for public relations.”

The council let the program stand.::

As Trump spoke at the Ellipse outside the White House on Jan. 6, Ethan Nordean marched along the National Mall from the Washington Monument.

More than 100 Proud Boys members followed as he barked commands through a bullhorn.

 

A man with a megaphone leads a large group of men

Ethan Nordean, right, followed by the mob that attacked the Capitol in an effort to block the certification of Joe Biden’s election as president.
(Carolyn Kaster / Associated Press)

One member, Eddie Block, rolled up to Ethan in an electric wheelchair to livestream the scene. “The girls want to see Rufio,” he said.

“Right side, slow down a little bit,” Ethan said. “Looking sharp, boys.”

The Proud Boys shouted “Uhuru,” their battle cry, which means “freedom” in Swahili.

They were among the first insurgents to reach the base of the Capitol. In court filings, federal prosecutors described Nordean as a major figure in the attack.

“We stormed the capital. It was great,” he allegedly wrote afterward on the encrypted app Telegram. “The cops started shooting us with pepper balls and boom bombs and we stormed them and busted down the doors. Thousands and thousands of people it was insane.”

 

He was arrested a month later. FBI agents who raided his home — he lived down the street from his parents in a house they owned — let his father say goodbye.

“I love you, son,” Mike Nordean said before Ethan was led away in handcuffs.

He is now in federal detention facing conspiracy charges on allegations of planning to “obstruct, influence and impede” the certification of the presidential election.

He has pleaded not guilty and his lawyers have told him not to speak to reporters.

Mike Nordean said that his son was misguided but not the “very violent, angry, right-wing, racist Nazi type of person” that the media had made him out to be.

Residents of Des Moines have closely followed the aftermath, still marveling that their own brush with extremism was a prelude to a monumental piece of U.S. history that continues to divide the country.

“I hope that justice is served and he spends as much time as possible in prison,” said Bryana Sayavong, a 26-year-old glass company project manager who grew up eating at Wally’s. “This has taught me that I live in a conservative town, where as a young Asian woman I don’t know if I feel totally safe.”

As the pandemic has subsided, Wally’s has returned to doing brisk business. But the controversy lingers.

In a post Tuesday in the community Facebook group, one resident said she was looking for “a good fish and chips place.”

Minutes later, someone recommended Wally’s, setting off a new barrage of criticism.

“Wallys food is awful not to mention the owners are racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, and support domestic terrorism,” one woman wrote, posting screenshots of old tweets by Judy Nordean.

“Yeah sure if domestic terrorism is your bag,” wrote another.

The jabs and alternative restaurant recommendations piled up until a group administrator shut down commenting.

 

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11 hours ago, Foosters said:

From the LA Times this weekend. A lengthy story on Nordean and how a small community has dealt with him and his family.

 

His dad sounds like GRU, a coward who won't own up to the fact that he's a racist, traitorous, piece of shit but is one; and his mom sounds like an unapologetic complete piece of shit.  Ol Ethan was fucked from the get go; now he's gonna find out.

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My dad was way too young to have been a part of the Public Works projects, he was born after that program was implemented. But the works were all over the place and he loved to point them out. Besides the tangible benefit they brought to communities, he was a strong believer in the intangible benefit of them making a man pleased with having something to show for his effort and tiring him out to the point that he would rather rest and relax than argue.

Sounds like Nordean needed something along those lines.

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52 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

His dad sounds like GRU, a coward who won't own up to the fact that he's a racist, traitorous, piece of shit but is one; and his mom sounds like an unapologetic complete piece of shit.  Ol Ethan was fucked from the get go; now he's gonna find out.

This seems yeah to me. As someone who has a young kid, believe me worrying he will go down a wrong path despite your best efforts is the keep you up at night shit. Kids are easily influenced well into their 20s and 30s. His dad seems pretty sympathetic to me. Granted it’s hard to explain his wife, and hard to think he didn’t tacitly share some shitty views with someone he is married to who posts that shit on FB, but it seems like dad actively wanted his son to not be in the Proud Boys and tried to get his son out. 
 

Maybe you’re right, but like I said that shit keeps me up at night as a father. 

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Less than a week after the failed insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a patient at a dentist’s office in western New York couldn’t believe what was being said nearby. During a routine checkup on Jan. 12, a patient listened in as an alleged rioter who was getting his teeth cleaned bragged about his breach of the building, according to federal authorities.

Daniel Warmus, of Alden, N.Y., talked of smoking marijuana inside the Capitol and refusing a police officer’s order to leave the building, and even proudly played a video from Jan. 6, a federal complaint states.

After the patient “overheard Warmus talking about his experience while at a dentist’s office,” the person, who authorities said wished to remain anonymous, alerted the FBI and passed along Warmus’s phone number and home address. That mundane trip to the dentist’s office led to an investigation that concluded this week with Warmus, 37, in police custody.


Warmus was arrested Tuesday in Buffalo for his role in the Capitol riot, the Justice Department announced, joining more than 410 people who’ve been arrested since Jan. 6. He’s been charged with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building without lawful authority and knowingly and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of government business.

What we know so far about the Capitol riot suspects

Warmus did not immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday, and it is unclear whether he has an attorney.

His arrest is the latest in what has become a familiar trend in the past four months of the FBI getting information from just about anyone connected to boastful members of the pro-Trump mob — family members, friends, work colleagues and ex-girlfriends. On May 5, Robert Lee Petrosh was arrested after his mother shared the news of his presence at the Capitol with a friend of hers, which eventually resulted in the FBI’s involvement.


The Justice Department’s announcement came the same day that Albert Watkins, a lawyer for Jacob Anthony Chansley, often referred to as the “QAnon Shaman,” said his client and many of the other accused Capitol rioters were vulnerable to believing the false claims about election fraud from President Donald Trump. “These are people with brain damage,” Watkins told Talking Points Memo. “These aren’t bad people.”

Warmus is among more than 30 New Yorkers who have been arrested in connection with the riot, according to an analysis by The Washington Post. He purportedly owns Worm-A-Fix Automotive Repair in nearby Orchard Park, N.Y., business records show. A message left for the business was not immediately returned.

Warmus, who made the nearly 300-mile journey from western New York apparently in hopes of overturning the election results, was seen wearing a Trump 2020 hat and sweatshirt that read, “CNN is fake news,” and waving a large flag with an expletive directed toward the far-left movement antifa, according to a nine-page statement of facts. Security footage shows that Warmus entered the Capitol at 2:17 p.m. on Jan. 6, authorities say, just minutes after rioters overwhelmed police officers trying to prevent them from entering the building.


Security images shared by the Justice Department show Warmus entering the Capitol Rotunda and joining the rioters in taking photos and filming video of the scene. An officer is captured on video grabbing Warmus by his backpack before the 37-year-old “pulled away and retreated from the officer,” federal court documents say. Warmus was in the building for 16 minutes before he was seen exiting the building with other rioters at 2:33 p.m., according to authorities.

At the dentist’s office six days later, the tipster told authorities, Warmus talked about his trip to Washington, claiming to have smoked weed inside the Capitol. Investigators noted that security footage did not show him smoking in or around the building.

He also allegedly boasted at the dentist’s office about not heeding an officer’s command to exit the Capitol as the mob ran amok.

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“Specifically, the tipster reported that a police officer told Warmus to leave the building, but Warmus refused to leave,” the complaint states.

The tipster also reported hearing — but not actually seeing — Warmus play a video he took when he was inside the Capitol.

 

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

Des Moines, WA is one of those places that, even though it's so close to Seattle, it's actually much closer to Alabama.  

Its somewhat shocking how retrograde big chunks of the PNW are.

I suppose logging attracts or attracted a lot of redneck types, kind of like the automotive industry attracted a lot of em to Detroit area.

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Watkins, the “Q Shaman” Jacob Chansley’s attorney, said his client had Asperger’s syndrome and indicated that Chansley’s mental state — and the impact of Trump’s “propaganda” efforts — would play a role in his case. 

“A lot of these defendants — and I’m going to use this colloquial term, perhaps disrespectfully — but they’re all fucking short-bus people,” Watkins told TPM. “These are people with brain damage, they’re fucking retarded, they’re on the goddamn spectrum.”


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https://www.mediaite.com/news/qanon-shaman-attorney-defends-his-client-and-alleged-capitol-rioters-as-short-bus-people-in-wild-interview/

 

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Its somewhat shocking how retrograde big chunks of the PNW are.

I suppose logging attracts or attracted a lot of redneck types, kind of like the automotive industry attracted a lot of em to Detroit area.

Yeah, a couple of years ago, we were going to Victoria BC.  It was much easier to fly to Seattle, rent a car, and then drive to Port Angeles for the ferry than it was to fly into Victoria and get a car.  Holy shit, I saw so many confederate flags once we got out of Seattle...  It was Alabama with evergreen trees.

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4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

GOP leadership going from "this commission is a vote of conscience" to actively whipping against it in 48 hours is the surest sign yet that this shit needs to be investigated.

I find it interesting that Trump apparently decamped to Bedminster, and all of the sudden the Republicans in Congress are ratcheting up their rhetoric.

Granted, going from a thousand miles away from D.C. to 215 miles, it's still a few hours to D.C. from NJ, but still, find it interesting.

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24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I find it interesting that Trump apparently decamped to Bedminster, and all of the sudden the Republicans in Congress are ratcheting up their rhetoric.

Granted, going from a thousand miles away from D.C. to 215 miles, it's still a few hours to D.C. from NJ, but still, find it interesting.

If he steps into NYC, I imagine there would be MASSIVE protests.  Fuck that guy. Stay the fuck out of here.

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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5169937001?__twitter_impression=true

Tips to the FBI came from five people about Bauer's and Blauser's alleged involvement on Jan. 6. One of the witnesses frequents a restaurant owned by Bauer and her husband in the Kane area, saying Bauer "became more political over the past year, and began losing business because people were uncomfortable about her constant political rhetoric," according to the FBI's arresting document.

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Have you had that shit? Totally understandable...
CSB- High school buddy and I decided to sneak some booze in 9th grade over at his place- we did pilfered shots of various liquors.. Next morning his pop clearly knew what's up and woke us bright and early with some Scrapple, eggs and yard work. I haven't tried it before or since. It may taste like angelic snatch for all I know, but choking that shit down then trying to play it cool ruined it for me and I like me some funky ass meats. Hot dog in Matamoros at 3 am sign me up! Scrapple? Naw dawg
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22 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Its somewhat shocking how retrograde big chunks of the PNW are.

I suppose logging attracts or attracted a lot of redneck types, kind of like the automotive industry attracted a lot of em to Detroit area.

Oregon legally banned black people from settling there before it was even a state.

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31 minutes ago, Born to Run said:
34 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:
 

But they were basically just tourist....

That checks out.  That is EXACTLY how I packed when we road tripped to hike the Painted Desert and the Grand Canyon this January.  Man, I can remember as we pulled out of the driveway, my wife asking me "and you remembered to pack the Molotov Cocktails, right?"  I got irritated as hell, snapping "do you think I'm some sort of fucking rookie who doesn't know how to pack for a tourist trip?"

Man, still pisses me off just thinking about it.

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On 5/19/2021 at 6:55 AM, SydneyCarton said:

This seems yeah to me. As someone who has a young kid, believe me worrying he will go down a wrong path despite your best efforts is the keep you up at night shit. Kids are easily influenced well into their 20s and 30s. His dad seems pretty sympathetic to me. Granted it’s hard to explain his wife, and hard to think he didn’t tacitly share some shitty views with someone he is married to who posts that shit on FB, but it seems like dad actively wanted his son to not be in the Proud Boys and tried to get his son out. 
 

Maybe you’re right, but like I said that shit keeps me up at night as a father. 

I'd have sympathy for pops if his wife wasn't an epically bilious cunt. He clearly sanctions those beliefs, if not holds them himself under a veneer of moderation. 

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Charging papers identified Daniel Lyons Scott, 28, of Bradenton, Fla., as the Proud Boys member nicknamed “Milkshake,” who after allegedly yelling about taking the Capitol was admonished, “Let’s not f---ing yell that, okay?” by a Proud Boys leader on a video live-streamed by the group that day. In the same moments, court documents allege, accused leader Ethan Nordean was recorded saying, “It was Milkshake, man, you know . . . idiot!”

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Also arrested Thursday was James Breheny, 61, an alleged Bergen County, N.J., coordinator for the Oath Keepers, whose leadership had called on Trump to use military force to stay in office to avert a “bloody civil war and revolution” against “Communist Chinese puppets,” referring to President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala D. Harris.

Breheny is charged with violent entry and disorderly conduct, entering and remaining in a restricted building with intent to disrupt government, obstruction of an official proceeding, and corruptly altering, destroying or concealing evidence.

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Separately, Arizona resident Micajah Joel Jackson, 25, was arrested Tuesday after turning himself in to the FBI in Phoenix on charges of trespassing and disorderly conduct at the Capitol.

Charging papers filed Friday and unsealed Tuesday alleged Jackson was recorded marching with the Proud Boys group led by Nordean, wearing an orange armband he said he was given by Proud Boys members from Arizona, although he denied knowing or being associated with any members before that day.

 

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