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I could attribute this same quote, word for word, to you lawyers on this site that keep saying the same bullshit over and over about how it’s just working as designed. Literally every word. 

Maybe.
The problem is, you think that evaluation is a blanket enforcement, not an indictment, of the system.
The core thing we’re pointing out is that ANY system of justice, because it is an imperfect human institution created and run by humans, will have an Achilles heel. Want it to have decent accommodation for due process and fairness? Exceptionally bad actors will be able to game it. Want it to be so draconian that it quashes those bad actors? Accept that you’re going to lose a shitload of due process and fairness.
The problem is worst when we the people enable and reward the bad actor. Like we’ve done with Trump. The problem is tens of millions of your fellow Americans who masturbate furiously to the idea of being ruled by a criminal dictator.
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As long as Hope is in the news; she's off the market fellas:

 

https://pagesix.com/2024/05/03/gossip/hope-hicks-engaged-to-goldman-sachs-exec-jim-donovan/?_gl=1*dffzon*_ga*MjA5Njc1NDM3OC4xNzA2MjkxMTk2*_ga_0DZ7LHF5PZ*MTcxNDgyMTkyMS4zMjkuMS4xNzE0ODIyMDE5LjAuMC4w&_ga=2.155409144.2139244855.1714745308-2096754378.1706291196

 

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Donald Trump’s former communications director Hope Hicks, 35, is engaged to Goldman Sachs boss Jim Donovan, 58, Page Six reported. The site reported that they started dating in 2019 and became engaged months ago while on a hike in Italy. Hicks previously dated former top Trump aide, Rob Porter, who resigned amid allegations of abuse from his two ex-wives. She was also previously said to have been in an on-off relationship with former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, according to Michael Wolff’s book, Fire and Fury. Donovan was previously married to his wife, Christi, 52, with whom he shares four children. Like Hicks, he has close ties to the former Trump administration, having served on the former president’s Intelligence Advisory Board. Hicks took the stand Friday in the hush money trial of her former boss breaking down in tears and refusing to make eye contact with him as she delivered her testimony.

 

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lol 35 and 58. Good move for her financially I guess. 
Meanwhile, since leaving the White House, Hicks has been building her own corporate consulting firm, splitting her time with clients between New York and Washington, DC.
Put another way, Hope is using her entrée to Trump and Company to get corporations to pay her money for that access should he win again. Thinking about it a bit, she was likely crying on the stand because she realized not only was she torpedoing Trump, she was torpedoing her business model.
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12 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I could attribute this same quote, word for word, to you lawyers on this site that keep saying the same bullshit over and over about how it’s just working as designed. Literally every word. 

I have no doubt you could. Just the last couple of weeks Trump has lost hearing after hearing after hearing at appellate courts and in this court.   He has lost crucial issues on motions in limine that allowed all kinds of damaging exhibits to be introduced.    Doddard tried his bullshit about the gag order preventing him from testifying, and he had to listen to the judge shove it down his throat in open court - and Trump admit that he understood what he was saying to his cultists was not true. Trump even mouthed “thank you” to the court after being whacked on the ass with that paddle. 

See video of Judge Merchan and Trump

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Hope Hicks did a tremendous amount of damage to Trump and supported most of the key elements of the criminal charge.   And this damage came from a witness correctly seen as being a Trump fan, which makes her testimony and evidence all the more compelling and favorable to the prosecution. While the law dogs are celebrating that glorious day, you are still bitching about the system.

There are literally dozens of motions that have been going on - any of which could be a tremendous problem for the prosecutors.  Yet Trump’s bullshit is not prevailing.   it is true that one Trump fan juror can stop the prosecution, you can’t place that on the judicial system treating Trump differently.   The system was literally set up so that one person could derail an unfair conviction.   You will tear your hair out at the thought of a MAGA letting him go, but would rightfully cheer if a single juror stopped some racist unfair conviction against a black man in some Podunk rural County railroad trial.  You cannot have one without the other.

And you make a truly shitty comparison when you compare our long and wordy explanations of why things are happening with your never changing ‘Trump gets away with everything’ rant. 

And it just never seems to hit your brain pan that the reason other defendants don’t bring up bullshit presidential immunity and free speech while campaigning defenses is that we’ve never had another fucking president in a criminal trial.   And more importantly, we have never had a politician, let alone a former president in a criminal trial - where a third of the country and almost all of one political party supports the accused and his horrific actions. 

Your average drug dealer will not potentially bring mouth breathers from Idaho and Alabama and Texas to DC to harass witnesses and jurors and court staff, with Fox News nightly telling the world that the things the mouth breathers are mad about are true.  Saying that Trump is like every other defendant - and being astonished that his trial is different - makes me shake my head at your inability to consider some of the things that brisket and twice and many others have told you. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

You will tear your hair out at the thought of a MAGA letting him go, but would rightfully cheer if a single juror stopped some racist unfair conviction against a black man in some Podunk rural County railroad trial.  You cannot have one without the other.

I am but a simple layman, but the thought of any juror who has a personal agenda they will act on in deliberations getting through voir dire makes my blood boil.  I know it happens, though.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I am but a simple layman, but the thought of any juror who has a personal agenda they will act on in deliberations getting through voir dire makes my blood boil.  I know it happens, though.

I was on a collin county jury in the late 90’s. Neither the prosecution, defense attorney or judge asked me any questions. I was something like prospective juror #30 out of 50. Maybe both attorneys had used all their dismissals by that point but I found it surprising that no questions were asked of me.

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13 minutes ago, GenXer said:

I was on a collin county jury in the late 90’s. Neither the prosecution, defense attorney or judge asked me any questions. I was something like prospective juror #30 out of 50. Maybe both attorneys had used all their dismissals by that point but I found it surprising that no questions were asked of me.

You were so ugly no one wanted to have to look at your face three days in a row?

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6 hours ago, achooloco said:

Nah. Anyone who willingly didn't abandon him after he called all Mexicans rapists, made fun of disabled people, called veterans losers, and said he could grab women by the pussies is a fucking piece of shit. Fuck them all.

After all his bullshit no one gets the benefit of the doubt just because they don’t tolerate treason. A non-ghoul would have been out way before. 

Now, see, I'm the other way around. I know that the only way we survive this is by getting more people to vote for Biden than the other guy, especially in battleground states, but generally everywhere.

So in my eyes, ANYONE who turns away from Trump should be embraced. Welcome back to the family, kill the fatted calf, welcome back prodigal son!

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21 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This reinforces the fact that his followers are the dumbest people.  He commits crimes right out in the open.  He commits non-criminal, but deplorable acts right out in the open.  Yet these people are not smart enough to see it when it is in front of their face.  


Many of them are smart enough but are like my sister, who claims she doesn't care. 

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If this was the obese, pimply assistant salon manager of a Supercuts who looked the other way when the franchiser stole stylists tips and was a party after the fact to using business funds to pay off a harassment victim I don’t see you or anybody else sighing about how young she was or her feelings towards the Trump and inner conflict about her testimony.

Oddly specific.  (Older daughter used to cut hair at Supercuts.)

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59 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


Many of them are smart enough but are like my sister, who claims she doesn't care. 

JFC. So your sister is just a horrible person?  Pics?

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Pardon me but give me a fucking break. You don’t know this woman. You’ve got no reason to give her the benefit of the doubt. If this was the obese, pimply assistant salon manager of a Supercuts who looked the other way when the franchiser stole stylists tips and was a party after the fact to using business funds to pay off a harassment victim I don’t see you or anybody else sighing about how young she was or her feelings towards the Trump and inner conflict about her testimony. You wouldn’t care at all.
Just because shes hot doesn’t make her a good person, trick. 
 

She must really agitate you.  I don't care about her one way or another, but from my view she doesn't fit the mold of the Star Wars bar of embarrassing characters in MAGA world. Granted I didn't know some of the unseemly details listed above, so maybe she is a cunt and I wasn't paying close enough attention.

The "hot" comment was a dumb throwaway in response to the ghoul reference.  Calm down Francis.

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"Even when a mob boss is under indictment and goes to see Roy Cohn, Roy Cohn says, 'All right, shut up and listen to me now, I know what needs to happen. We're going to go there and say maybe you haven't lived an exemplary life, but this charge and that charge,' they can't do that with Trump," Litman said.

"Can everyone be lying here? Imagine the cross examination they're going to have to do on Stormy Daniels," Litman added. "They're just going to have to call her a flaming liar...It's a terrible strategy."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-defense-hush-money-trial-litman-1895597

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18 minutes ago, Red Five said:

That was my question from before the trial started. Are they going to call Daniels and McDougal extortionists? I mean they have to right?

I wonder if they will essentially call no defense witnesses and just try to argue at close that the State simply hasn't made it's case.  Hicks testimony completely torpedoes the notion that Trump didn't know and that Cohen was acting alone, so to me that angle is out.  

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45 minutes ago, Red Five said:

That was my question from before the trial started. Are they going to call Daniels and McDougal extortionists? I mean they have to right?

I really hope they try that.  I would love to see Stormy call him Mushroom Man on the stand.

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22 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I wonder if they will essentially call no defense witnesses and just try to argue at close that the State simply hasn't made it's case.  Hicks testimony completely torpedoes the notion that Trump didn't know and that Cohen was acting alone, so to me that angle is out.  

 

I'm guessing they are going to essentially concede this, appeal it and hope to get it overturned on appeal down the road, because even though it is a state case, assuming he wins this November, who will give a shit after that?  Right? 

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46 minutes ago, Red Five said:

That was my question from before the trial started. Are they going to call Daniels and McDougal extortionists? I mean they have to right?

I don’t know how they do that without tacit admission that he did have sex with them. And if he did, then clearly the money he paid (or that was paid on his behalf and then reimbursed through his business as “legal fees”) was to keep them quiet ie campaign donation. That ties the prosecution’s argument up with a nice bow imo 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I don’t know how they do that without tacit admission that he did have sex with them. And if he did, then clearly the money he paid (or that was paid on his behalf and then reimbursed through his business as “legal fees”) was to keep them quiet ie campaign donation. That ties the prosecution’s argument up with a nice bow imo 

 

 

 

To quote Mitt Romney, "You don't pay someone $130k to not have sex with you." 

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If Trump claims under oath he never had sex with either woman, and one or both can prove otherwise, that puts him on the hook for perjury, doesn't it?

I'm not sure how one would "prove" it without video or maybe a 3rd party witness (a mental image so gross I'm going to go make a Bloody Mary to hopefully wash it out of my brain).

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Don’t extortionists typically attempt to extort the entity of which they have information?  These women didn’t go to Trump and say pay me to keep quiet. They shopped their stories to tabloids and newspapers to be told- and it was the enquirer that bought them and kept them out of the public. 
 

 

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On 5/3/2024 at 5:40 PM, Biff Tannen said:

This reinforces the fact that his followers are the dumbest people.  He commits crimes right out in the open.  He commits non-criminal, but deplorable acts right out in the open.  Yet these people are not smart enough to see it when it is in front of their face.  

I don't think its that they don't see his crimes, I think its that they see "the system" as a rigged sham.  Crimes are just violations of rules.  Rules that they feel are unjust and capricious and designed to keep them down.  In that worldview, the crime is that rules exist in the first place.

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