Jump to content

Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty Guilty


Recommended Posts

Posted

Dang, I was about to make a porn app joke too, beat me too it. Just more proof that "religion" for conservatives is just a farce. They don't actually believe any of it.

Posted
41 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Wait, that actually happened? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/14/michael-cohen-trump-testimony-transcript/

 

Cohen: I said to him: And how’s things going to go with upstairs?

Susan Hoffinger, prosecution attorney: Were you concerned about that?

Cohen: I was.

Hoffinger: And what, if anything, did he say to you about that?

Cohen: “Don’t worry,” he goes. He goes: “How long do you think I will be on the market for? Not long.”

Hoffinger: What did you understand that to mean?

Cohen: He wasn’t thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign.

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted
1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Super religious conservative Mike Johnson supports cheating on your wife with a porn star and paying her to shut up and then covering it up and lying about all of it.

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It's the Christian way.  

I may have been the last to hear of the word "conspirituality." It's a cult, but you have to believe that the government deep stated dotard's penis, and that it could happen to any of us.  Dotard's mushroom penis is taking the hit so that ours won't have to.  

Posted
18 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/14/michael-cohen-trump-testimony-transcript/

 

Cohen: I said to him: And how’s things going to go with upstairs?

Susan Hoffinger, prosecution attorney: Were you concerned about that?

Cohen: I was.

Hoffinger: And what, if anything, did he say to you about that?

Cohen: “Don’t worry,” he goes. He goes: “How long do you think I will be on the market for? Not long.”

Hoffinger: What did you understand that to mean?

Cohen: He wasn’t thinking about Melania. This was all about the campaign.

Wow.  Is it wrong I'm kind of enjoying the notion that his family is going to put a smile on after this is over, but right now they are just brutally dying inside hearing/reading this stuff.  Fuck Melania for empowering this guy, but whoo--------this one has got to sting.  If she has a shred of decency left in her, she'll do the one thing that literally nobody else on this planet can do.  Get to her husband.  

  • Hook 'Em 2
Posted
On 5/13/2024 at 9:32 AM, jimmyjazz said:

That guy always looks like he just sharted, and he's happy about it.

We need to get Eric posting in the shart thread. Having an actual shart provide subject matter expertise would be useful as the Surly demographic ages towards an uncertain future. It would be like having the Ricktator posting in the RIck Barnes thread. 

Posted

Remarkable how the pattern keeps continuing: when there's nothing to gain, these fuckers want nothing to do with Trump.  When it became apparent that showing support for Trump in court was smart politically, they ALL crawl out of the woodwork.  Pathetic

  • Hook 'Em 4
  • Rage+1 1
Posted
2 hours ago, Red Five said:

Super religious conservative Mike Johnson supports cheating on your wife with a porn star and paying her to shut up and then covering it up and lying about all of it.

I mean you cant be a sinner seeking forgiveness if you don't sin first, amirite?

  • Rage+1 1
Posted
5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

MAGA: "Cohen is lying, DT loves Melania and would never stray."

What's Melania doing these days?  Hope she gets her appearance payments up front.  

Posted
5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Remarkable how the pattern keeps continuing: when there's nothing to gain, these fuckers want nothing to do with Trump.  When it became apparent that showing support for Trump in court was smart politically, they ALL crawl out of the woodwork.  Pathetic

What's their to gain now? Vance wants VP and will probably get it I suppose. Johnson is likely just trying to head off the MTG cabal with an "I love trump more"-off to save his position. Otherwise, what does he offer?

Posted
2 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

I mean you cant be a sinner seeking forgiveness if you don't sin first, amirite?

So the guy who got elected Speaker of the House because of his high virtue best displayed by his pornographic-monitoring agreement with his son and virginity contract signing ceremony with his daughter, dropped his leadership responsibilities to the nation this week and showed up in  person to support a guy on trial for stealing money to bribe a pornstar to not talk about their sexual encounter during his wife's postpartum recovery while the defendant's son was watching a video starring said porn star and totally not talking to his dad about it?  

And we don't live inside a simulation?  Got it.  

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted (edited)

 

Tuesday morning, Cohen continued:

We’re nearly at the end of Michael Cohen’s direct testimony here and he’s asked to reflect on his time with Trump. “I don’t regret working at the Trump Organization,” Cohen says. But, he says, in order to stay in Trump’s good graces and obey his orders, “I violated my moral compass, and I suffer the penalty.”

We're breaking for lunch. Cohen will be cross-examined when we return.

Susan Hoffinger, the prosecutor, is now detailing a lawsuit that Trump filed against Michael Cohen in Florida, well after the presidency. Ultimately Trump decided not to be deposed and the case was dismissed. But that suit was widely seen as an attempt at intimidation.

Trump writes a note and hands it to his lead lawyer, Todd Blanche. Blanche reads the note and smiles.

Michael Cohen says that he now works in media and entertainment and started a podcast while he was on home confinement. He says he discusses news of the day as well as Trump and makes money as a result of his podcasts.

Susan Hoffinger is speed-walking him through this portion, where he decribes how he has made money from his story of Trump’s betrayal.

He continues that he wrote a memoir in prison, called “Disloyal,” about his life and experiences working for the Trump Organization. He says his next book, “Revenge,” was a “forensic dissection” of the corrupt prosecution against him.

Cohen then addresses the fact that he invited Stormy Daniels onto his podcast. He said he thought it would be a good time to apologize to her.

Again and again, the prosecutor Susan Hoffinger is asking Michael Cohen to explain why he lied to this person or that person. She’s doing it to prepare the jury for what will likely be a brutal cross-examination. But it is a lot of lying for the jury to hear about.

The risk for Trump remains that the jury has heard how happy Trump was with Cohen at various points and how he couldn’t have been unaware of who Cohen was and what he was doing.

Susan Hoffinger is going through a lengthy list of all that Michael Cohen has lost financially. This is similar to something Stormy Daniels said, when pushed on cross-examination about whether she had money to gain by coming forward. She said that she had also lost a lot.

Cohen also acknowledges that he has been disbarred.

We are hearing testimony that is confusing, but we understand what it stems from: In 2023, during Michael Cohen’s testimony at Trump’s civil fraud trial, the defense was able to trip him up while asking him about one of his federal guilty pleas. There, he seemed to suggest that he wasn’t actually guilty of one of the crimes he had pleaded guilty to. Ever since, Trump’s lawyers have accused him of perjury.

Susan Hoffinger is now seeking to air that out, by asking Cohen about it here today. He says now he did not dispute the underlying facts of the case, but believed — and still does — that he should not have been criminally prosecuted for that specific offense.

Susan Hoffinger, preparing for the defense's cross-examination, which feels as if it is right around the corner, is asking Cohen about the cell phones from which much of their evidence was pulled. The defense has sought to raise questions about when those phones were obtained and whether the evidence on them may have been manipulated.

Hoffinger appears to be trying to head them off by making the chain of custody as clear as she can. Hoffinger asks if Cohen altered or modified the recording he made of Trump. He responds, as he has so many times: “No, ma’am.”

Michael Cohen is now testifying about having met with various law enforcement agencies, including the Manhattan district attorney’s office. His story is coming full circle and becoming a bit meta, as he talks about cooperating with these prosecutors.

Susan Hoffinger, the prosecutor, takes him all the way to March 2023, when Cohen testified in the grand jury. Trump was indicted late that month.

Hoffinger goes to a slightly surprising place, but again, one seemingly aimed at thwarting Todd Blanche on cross-examination: she asks if Michael Cohen has sought a reduction for his sentence, and if he asked the district attorney’s office for help.

The answer to both questions is yes. Hoffinger makes clear that the Manhattan district attorney’s office was willing to provide a letter to help him in 2021, if federal prosecutors at the Southern District of New York would accept it as a reason to reduce his sentence. But the federal prosecutors — who deeply dislike Cohen — wouldn’t accept it, so no letter was provided.

Hoffinger makes clear that Cohen continued to testify and help the case despite not getting what he wanted.

The answer to both questions is yes. Hoffinger makes clear that the Manhattan district attorney’s office was willing to provide a letter to help him, but the Southern District's prosecutors — who deeply dislike Cohen — wouldn’t accept it.

Alina Habba, a Trump lawyer who is not working on this case but who is sitting in court nonetheless to lend moral support, passed a note through an intermediary up to Susan Necheles at the defense table. Necheles then passed Habba’s note to Emil Bove, who then passed it on to Todd Blanche.

Habba led the cross-examination of Cohen during Trump's civil fraud trial down the street, which prosecutors in this case warily watched.

Michael Cohen is being asked, over an objection by the defense, about how he was sent home on furlough from federal prison in 2020, during the height of the coronavirus pandemic.

He was ultimately thrown back in prison because he was planning to publish a book later that year and refused to sign a letter saying he would decline to publish anything. A judge later called the move “retaliatory” by the federal government, and he was freed.

Cohen, for only the second time I can remember on the stand, is getting angry as he remembers what he clearly sees as an injustice. He testified that not only was he sent back to prison, he was put in solitary confinement.

Michael Cohen is now discussing his meetings with Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating the Trump campaign's possible ties to Russia. There is a divide between how Mueller’s office viewed Cohen and how the federal prosecutors at the Southern District of New York, who charged him initially, did. Mueller’s office declared him helpful. The S.D.N.Y. team, not so much.

Michael Cohen is now talking about his 2019 testimony before the House of Representatives, one hearing of which was televised. It was extremely dramatic. During that hearing, he sealed his split with Trump, calling him a racist and a con man who was unfit for office.

Cohen is now recapping his apology to the public during that testimony. His break from Trump was remarkable, and fairly rare. Cohen is one of the only Trump allies or advisers who actually served time in prison.

His testimony at that hearing is certain to come up during cross-examination, including his assertion that he didn’t want a job in the White House.

As Susan Hoffinger, the prosecutor, asked Michael Cohen about committing federal crimes, she also emphasized the key themes of the prosecution's case, asking him to testify that he committed them on Trump’s behalf.

There was no world in which prosecutors would not have asked Cohen to speak about his own crimes — if the defense had brought them up first, it could have looked as if prosecutors had been trying to hide them. But Hoffinger used that portion of the testimony to reassert her own case, seeking not only to inoculate jurors but also remind them of why they’re here today: To assess Trump’s guilt or lack thereof, not Cohen’s.

Michael Cohen is now reading aloud the tweets Trump put out when Cohen pleaded guilty, saying that he felt “very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family” and praising Manafort for refusing to “break.” “Such respect for a brave man.” It is absolutely remarkable that the sitting president was tweeting these things.

We also see Trump's tweets attacking Cohen. He says that if anyone is looking for a good lawyer, he doesn’t recommend Cohen. He contrasts Cohen with Manafort, a loyal ally, and criticizes Cohen again for “breaking.”

Cohen, seeing those tweets, says they “caused a lot of angst and anxiety.”

Susan Hoffinger, the prosecutor, just asked Michael Cohen why he paid the money to Stormy Daniels. Cohen says he did so to influence the election, and that he did so at Trump’s direction. This is a summary of the key themes and may signal that direct examination is coming to an end soon.

Trump’s lawyers seem on edge through this part of Cohen’s testimony. Todd Blanche and Emil Bove appear to pass a note.

Trump, however, is very much not on edge. His eyes are closed and he appears to be dozing peacefully.

As Cohen repeats that he worked with David Pecker and others at his company to do so, he again repeats that he took action at Trump’s direction. The prosecutors use that testimony to lead into Cohen’s guilty pleas in the federal case against him in 2018. Some of the charges against him were related to the hush-money payment.

Michael Cohen looks down and takes a beat before turning to the jury and talking about his family. He says he discussed with his family what he should do and they said: “Why are you holding onto this loyalty? What are you doing? We’re supposed to be your first loyalty.”

Cohen looks like he’s struggling to hold it together here as he recalls talking to his family about whether to stay loyal to Trump or to cooperate with investigators.

Michael Cohen was in the midst of testimony about weighing whether to retain loyalty to Trump, painting it as a very difficult decision, as he considered whether he would be loyal to his family, his country or Trump.

As he was speaking, Vivek Ramaswamy and a number of the other politicians here supporting Trump today walked back in the room. It was a remarkable moment, but Cohen seemed mostly unfazed. He kept testifying.

Justice Merchan didn’t take note of what took place, but he might have if Cohen had been disrupted. We have almost never seen a display like that during the proceedings — several officials marching in during testimony — and it was disruptive in the room, if not to the witness.

Michael Cohen is testifying, with emails on the screen, that Robert Costello, his new lawyer, was continuing a fierce pressure campaign to keep Cohen loyal to Trump. Cohen says he understood Costello to be telling him not to cooperate with law enforcement in the wake of the F.B.I. raid.

As Cohen talks about how the message was “stay in the fold, don’t flip, don’t speak,” it’s easy to forget it’s a former president of the United States on trial. This type of language is more common in the trials of mobsters.

It’s striking to me how many of Michael Cohen's interactions had to do with emotions, and more specficially, insecurities. He has testified about trying to please Trump and wanting to make sure he felt “loved” by Trump. Other witnesses have described him as manic, explosive, crude and a “pants-on-fire” individual. Yet, for all of that, he’s shown little to no emotion on the stand, in what has now been about nine hours of testimony.

On the one hand, we still haven’t had anything directly tying Trump to the structure of the false business records outside of Michael Cohen’s words on the stand, which the defense will aggressively challenge. But the risk for the defense is that the jury holds Trump accountable for all of the various mucky conduct that is being described here, and has been described throughout the trial.

The synchronization of the Trump tweets and Robert Costello's outreach to Michael Cohen was a really interesting touch. It helps to reinforce the idea that prosecutors are selling, that Trump was no longer communicating with Cohen directly, but he was still trying to make sure that his embattled fixer was under his thumb.

The Times wrote an article in 2019 about the awkward role Robert Costello served here. He had intended to be Michael Cohen’s lawyer, and spent countless hours on the phone with him, but was never formally retained.

These emails we're seeing from Robert Costello go a long way toward supporting Michael Cohen’s description of their meeting. Cohen had said that Costello recommended he hire him as a lawyer because his relationship with Rudy Giuliani would help him maintain access to Trump.

In one email, Costello tells Cohen that his relationship with Giuliani could be useful to him. In another, he talks about a “back channel” for communication. And in a third, the not-so-subtle message: “Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places.”

Cohen just testified that the Costello emails came in perfect synchrony with Trump tweeting his support for Cohen, tweets the courtroom has already seen.

Robert Costello offered to act as a backchannel between Michael Cohen and Trump, Cohen says. In the middle of this channel was Rudy Giuliani.

Cohen testifies that Costello told him not to reach out to Trump directly. So while Costello and Giuliani formed a link between Trump and Cohen, they also acted as a buffer, which may have grated on Cohen, particularly given that he used to report to Trump directly — and loved it.

We are seeing an email from Costello to Cohen from April 2018, in which Costello informs Cohen that Giuliani has just joined the Trump legal team.

Michael Cohen is speaking slowly and deliberately as he describes an emotional crisis in his life. He is sometimes speaking directly to the jury.

Michael Cohen is testifying again after the courtroom took a short break. “Distraught, nervous, concerned” are the emotions he describes having felt as he met at the Loews Regency on Park Avenue with a new lawyer, Robert Costello, a criminal defense lawyer who Cohen had been told was very close with Rudy Giuliani. This was immediately after the F.B.I. raided his hotel room there, and so Cohen’s emotions were in tumult.

Costello has told us that Cohen appeared suicidal at this meeting.

Cohen says he was told Costello had worked for Giuliani at the Southern District of New York. By this time, Giuliani was about to become a lawyer for Trump on the Mueller investigation. Cohen testifies that Costello told him this would be a way to have a “backchannel” to Trump.

The testimony prompts Trump to write a note, which he passes to his lead lawyer, Todd Blanche, who is expected to cross-examine Cohen.

Edited by Francisco 2.0
  • Hook 'Em 3
Posted
2 hours ago, Red Five said:

Super religious conservative Mike Johnson supports cheating on your wife with a porn star and paying her to shut up and then covering it up and lying about all of it.

 

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It's the Christian way.  

When you understand that for modern American "Christians," the list of the holiest of sacraments just has one item on it -- "be a complete fucking hypocrite" -- it all clicks and falls into place.

Modern American Christians have managed to be, literally, everything the ACTUAL Christ warned and spoke against.  It's amazing to watch.  Up is down, black is white, lies are truth.....all of it.  One of the most fascinating sociological phenomena I've ever seen.

  • Hook 'Em 2
Posted
13 minutes ago, 'stache said:

What's their to gain now? Vance wants VP and will probably get it I suppose. Johnson is likely just trying to head off the MTG cabal with an "I love trump more"-off to save his position. Otherwise, what does he offer?

Vance is nutty (Christian) enough to help drive away voters, so good for him.

I think Johnson is doing this because of the RNC issue.  He has put MTG and her group in their place.  Johnson needs to try and get some money from Trump’s RNC for down-ballot races.

  • Like 1
Posted
3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Vance is nutty (Christian) enough to help drive away voters, so good for him.

I think Johnson is doing this because of the RNC issue.  He has put MTG and her group in their place.  Johnson needs to try and get some money from Trump’s RNC for down-ballot races.

Yeah, I think he's finally wising up and taking a page from the McCarthy playbook.  Whatever you think of former speaking Kevin, he was as good a fundraiser as almost any other Speaker in U.S. history.  And Mike's a fucking weirdo, but he's smart enough to realize his ability to control the House and keep his job come the end of the year, is wildly dependent on money.  Kevin laid out the blueprint, and Mike has been fumbling around.  But to be fair to Mike, Kevin didn't have to deal with what's happening right now and that is that so much more RNC/PAC money is being siphoned off to the Trump family.  Kevin could tactically raise and allocate it as he knew best.  But Mike is stuck juggling the batshit crazy wing of his party/MAGA nation, the Trump Family's massive skim, and then actually trying to do his job and keep some toss-up seats Red.  It's enough to make a man wanna watch some porn to relax, but alas...that damn monitoring app.  

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted
24 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

It should be worth noting that Moscow Marge has not been summoned to comfort Trump in the courtroom.  Yet Big Mike is there bending the knee. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted
37 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

It should be worth noting that Moscow Marge has not been summoned to comfort Trump in the courtroom.  Yet Big Mike is there bending the knee. 

 

The prosecutor needs to do some reverse psychology and make Cohen state how much he think Biden sucks so MAGA can stop pushing the line that we shouldn’t “believe a word he says.”

  • Like 1
Posted

I had forgotten, but I have a prior engagement this afternoon with some local Special Olympians from 1-3, so I'm not going to be able to do the play by play of the cross on Cohen.   @bolverk, are you able to take the wheel?

 

 

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted
37 minutes ago, Underdog said:

image.jpeg.701f60d294a36d2d53d0d5916270e137.jpeg
 

That's the old Christian way.  They no longer bother with confession or shame, and repentance left the building a long time ago.  Deny, deflect, accuse, and then move on.  

Infuriating. 

  • Rage+1 1
Posted
55 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

It should be worth noting that Moscow Marge has not been summoned to comfort Trump in the courtroom.  Yet Big Mike is there bending the knee. 

 

Looks like Stormy isn’t the only “whore” to visit the courthouse. 

  • Hook 'Em 5
  • Haha 3
Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

That's the old Christian way.  They no longer bother with confession or shame, and repentance left the building a long time ago.  Deny, deflect, accuse, and then move on.  

Infuriating. 

Repent?

I answer to 3 folks and 3 folks alone.

The father, son, and the holy spirit.

Answering or repenting to anyone else is sacrilege and a sure fire way to hell.

I'm born again each day in the blood of the lamb when I wake up and thank Jesus for another glorious sunrise.

Heavenly father knows my heart.

Let us pray.......

Happy Well Done GIF

Edited by Dnaguy
  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted

Perhaps I've missed it, but has any bootlicker actually attempted to explain WHY they think this is all a sham? I know Johnson said the other day that "Trump has done nothing wrong", which is just, wow. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Perhaps I've missed it, but has any bootlicker actually attempted to explain WHY they think this is all a sham? I know Johnson said the other day that "Trump has done nothing wrong", which is just, wow. 

because drumpf told them to say it. it's fucking infuriating this worthless cretin has so many people bending the knee to him. if I knew a better word than pathetic I'd use it here.

  • Hook 'Em 3
  • Rage+1 1
Posted
29 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

I have a prior engagement this afternoon with some local Special Olympians from 1-3

Good luck. Hope you make it to the medal stand.

  • Hook 'Em 1
  • Like 2
  • Haha 3
  • Drool 1
Posted
On 11/13/2023 at 9:19 AM, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, sue me, i haven't had enough coffee yet.

Haberman has been in their pocket for years.

 

 

  • Rage+1 4
Posted
23 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Perhaps I've missed it, but has any bootlicker actually attempted to explain WHY they think this is all a sham? I know Johnson said the other day that "Trump has done nothing wrong", which is just, wow. 

 

They just have to say it. Repeating it creates the belief that it's true. Just like CJK5H...

 

3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

guess we know what the new fascist costumes will look like going forward

 

Was thinking the same thing.

1 minute ago, pacman said:

 

 

fuck Maggie Haberman

  • Hook 'Em 7
  • Like 1
Posted

I imagine that all of republicans in attendance are being ordered there by Trump.

My bet is that it's a hung jury. There has to be one Trumpist on the jury that will refuse to budge regardless of the facts presented to them. I hope that I'm wrong.

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted
6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I imagine that all of republicans in attendance are being ordered there by Trump.

My bet is that it's a hung jury. There has to be one Trumpist on the jury that will refuse to budge regardless of the facts presented to them. I hope that I'm wrong.

Yeah just like what happened with the E Jean Carroll defamation cases. MAGA stopped those so surely there will be one who won't go along with this one.

Right?

  • Hook 'Em 1
  • Haha 1
Posted
I imagine that all of republicans in attendance are being ordered there by Trump.
My bet is that it's a hung jury. There has to be one Trumpist on the jury that will refuse to budge regardless of the facts presented to them. I hope that I'm wrong.

The juror who said he gets his news from Truth Social is no longer on the jury, is that correct?
  • Hook 'Em 3
Posted
1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

I had forgotten, but I have a prior engagement this afternoon with some local Special Olympians from 1-3

 

 

Thanks for all you do on this thread.  And good luck on your meeting with Caitlyn Jenner and Mary Lou Retton.

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted
6 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Yeah just like what happened with the E Jean Carroll defamation cases. MAGA stopped those so surely there will be one who won't go along with this one.

Right?

No one ever knows what a jury will do. Preponderance of the evidence with a nine person jury in a civil trial versus beyond a reasonable doubt with a twelve person jury in a criminal trial isn't really comparable. O.J. was found liable in one and not guilty in another. 

  • Hook 'Em 1
Posted
4 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

No one ever knows what a jury will do. Preponderance of the evidence with a nine person jury in a civil trial versus beyond a reasonable doubt with a twelve person jury in a criminal trial isn't really comparable. O.J. was found liable in one and not guilty in another. 

you are correct - it was the tone of inevitability that I was addressing.

  • Hook 'Em 2
Posted
13 minutes ago, Red Five said:


The juror who said he gets his news from Truth Social is no longer on the jury, is that correct?

No, I think he replaced the woman they pulled after her friends started asking her if she was on the jury.

Posted
1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

That's the old Christian way. 

Hot Christianity, cool Christianity, even if it's old Christianity 
It's still Christianity to me

  • Hook 'Em 1


×
×
  • Create New...