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16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is where I think the psychological part of this shit show is so fascinating. They know he doesn’t look like this. But they project it because it is a projection of their own weakness. I’m not even sure they view him as a real human being that exists. It’s more of an idea that he represents to them. These broken humans conjure what they think a “strong” person is, which is 180 degrees from reality for sane people, and they convince themselves that is who he is. In the end, this is a damning example of how bad America has fucked up over the past 50 years or so. 

Stalin's favorite actor, who portrayed him was this naturally tall, broad shouldered man, something like 6'2 and 200lbs.  Meanwhile, Stalin himself was a short little ugly man.  This is straight out the narcissistic dictator playbook.  

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20 minutes ago, Js1 said:

42k for Georgia today - 36k of that coming from blue counties

Just shy of 30% of 2020

Just for reference, in 2020 there were just over 4.9 million votes cast in Georgia.  Of that 4.9 million, approximately 2.3 million voted early.  If Js1 is correct, absolutely no reason to believe he isn't, that would place over 1.4 million votes cast in 2024.  Early voting closes on November 1 here, so in order to cross that number, in the next 11 days, we would need a bit less than 100k per day.  

On Friday, the last full day of polls being opened across the state, over 300k voted. Saturday polls were only open in major cities and today was only a couple of counties.  I would personally feel more comfortable if we blow by the 2.3 million figure, as the early voting skew is towards the Democratic vote.  However, there are ample indicators that Republicans are not shunning the early vote this year.  

I wish all of you well beginning to vote tomorrow in Texas.  

 

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7 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

 I would personally feel more comfortable if we blow by the 2.3 million figure, as the early voting skew is towards the Democratic vote.  However, there are ample indicators that Republicans are not shunning the early vote this year.  

Important point.   Even Squidward Miller is telling people they can vote early, which was directly opposite what they told people previously.  

My hope is that Maga, being so stupid, doesn’t quite know what to think about that - and defaults to Democrats vote early and Democrats vote by mail. I’m sure not all of them, but as many of them as can wait till election day, the better it is.  Some might die, some might get sick with flu and Covid season- or their spouse will - or be afraid of all the Black people in line on election day (older white people know the black women carry razor blades in their bras). Who knows what the hell the reasons will be.

Getting the vote in the bank is the deal.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

What is with the “supposed” turnaround of The Villages to voting for Kamala?  That’s bullshit right?

It’s weird,  could be AARP/Social Security/Medicare stuff.

Could be nobody paid attention to them because so many of the Trumpers made so much noise.

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4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But he doesn’t. He literally says “I will fix it.” Democrats don’t say either. Instead they rarely say anything and when they do it’s policy this and program that.

Such bullshit. Dems have actual plans to help the working and middle classes. And they talk about them all of the time. Trump says I will fix everything. He doesn't ever speak directly to anyone other than rich people. Get out of here with this tired bullshit. 

 

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Why am I so internally pessimistic about this election?

I get it.  I read this thread and it's comforting, not trying to harsh a good time but I think there is a fair bit of wish-casting going on.  Hope I'm wrong

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48 minutes ago, locodos said:

I get it.  I read this thread and it's comforting, not trying to harsh a good time but I think there is a fair bit of wish-casting going on.  Hope I'm wrong

Read this when you have 15 minutes.  It will make you sober, make you vomit or make you drive to a battleground state and go door to door for Harris and Walz.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/us/politics/trump-scandals.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&tgrp=ctr&pvid=E65CE658-FDE0-4E8E-BD5F-7F72157E46BB
 

This immoral, arrogant, dishonest stack of smegma must be deposited in the dustbin of history where he belongs.

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1 minute ago, Bama Llama said:

Read this when you have 15 minutes.  It will make you sober, make you vomit or make you drive to a battleground state and go door to door for Harris and Walz.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/us/politics/trump-scandals.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&tgrp=ctr&pvid=E65CE658-FDE0-4E8E-BD5F-7F72157E46BB
 

This immoral, arrogant, dishonest stack of smegma must be deposited in the dustbin of history where he belongs.

I don't need ANY additional motivation.  I've been working on friends and family in swing states.  My point was just that people view the world through their lens.  Those of us that can't imagine even 30% of voters pulling the lever for Trump will tend to view events and data from that perspective. 

apropos of nothing...  I'm in S. Florida and there's a corner near my house that Trumpkins gather waive flags, signs, and I assume shoot puppies.  They've been doing it off and on for YEARS.   Yesterday I was driving by and saw the Trumpkins up ahead at the corner. It seemed like a pretty big group and I was thinking what I always think fuck these assholes and I need to install a hailer on my truck.   When I got closer I could see the flags and they were for Harris / Waltz.  Felt good to see.  But I don't think any Trumpkins will be dissuaded or converted in the same way the Trumpkins only pissed me off.  I'll feel better if there's a fucking blue wave... and whole rafts of Trump enablers and fuckbois are ostracized and mocked openly.

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Longhorn94 said:

Such bullshit. Dems have actual plans to help the working and middle classes1. And they talk about them all of the time2. Trump says I will fix everything3. He doesn't ever speak directly to anyone other than rich people4. Get out of here with this tired bullshit5

@Longhorn94 you seem to hold two views that I don’t think hold up- the first being that the inherent falsity of what Donald Trump says is relevant to his appeal or why it works, and the fact that Democrats have most substantial policy ideas and are relatively far more sincere in their desire for improved conditions makes their call to action more effective for their audience. I disagree with both of those ideas. 

1 -  the middle class standard of living is  now what we used to associate with the working class, and Democrats aren’t addressing that directly. 

2- Democrats talk about their “actual plans” to “help” all the time. It’s policy this and program that. It’s complicated and hard to follow, but if you put in the effort and pay attention you realize that none of it would restore the standard of living to the middle class that it used to have. Instead, they offer “help.” The middle class doesn’t want help or handouts. They want the economy to work for them and put them in a position to save money and go on vacations without taking on a mountain of debt.
 

3- yes, Trump says “I will fix it.” That’s simple,  uncomplicated language. It’s clear, immediate and certain which true or not (obviously not in this case) is the kind of language that enlists people.

4- the people at his rallies are not rich people, but you and I both know that Democrats do small group fundraising dinners and events, and the people who get those invites aren’t managing the fabric store. 

5 I shan’t. 

 

 

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The middle class doesn’t want help or handouts. They want the economy to work for them and put them in a position to save money and go on vacations without taking on a mountain of debt.

Disagree. The middle class is not interested in saving anything and programs and policies don't work because the middle class has a culture problem. Plenty in the middle class could save and build wealth like years past, but they would rather get the giant truck they don't need, the 5000 square foot house they don't need, 3 kids all on travel youth sports teams, etc.

Why save money when that doesn't get any engagement on Instagram?

The middle class struggles because they are stupid with their money. Not because of a lack of opportunities.

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Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@Longhorn94 you seem to hold two views that I don’t think hold up- the first being that the inherent falsity of what Donald Trump says is relevant to his appeal or why it works, and the fact that Democrats have most substantial policy ideas and are relatively far more sincere in their desire for improved conditions makes their call to action more effective for their audience. I disagree with both of those ideas. 

1 -  the middle class standard of living is  now what we used to associate with the working class, and Democrats aren’t addressing that directly. 

2- Democrats talk about their “actual plans” to “help” all the time. It’s policy this and program that. It’s complicated and hard to follow, but if you put in the effort and pay attention you realize that none of it would restore the standard of living to the middle class that it used to have. Instead, they offer “help.” The middle class doesn’t want help or handouts. They want the economy to work for them and put them in a position to save money and go on vacations without taking on a mountain of debt.
 

3- yes, Trump says “I will fix it.” That’s simple,  uncomplicated language. It’s clear, immediate and certain which true or not (obviously not in this case) is the kind of language that enlists people.

4- the people at his rallies are not rich people, but you and I both know that Democrats do small group fundraising dinners and events, and the people who get those invites aren’t managing the fabric store. 

5 I shan’t. 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

Disagree. The middle class is not interested in saving anything and programs and policies don't work because the middle class has a culture problem. Plenty in the middle class could save and build wealth like years past, but they would rather get the giant truck they don't need, the 5000 square foot house they don't need, 3 kids all on travel youth sports teams, etc.

Why save money when that doesn't get any engagement on Instagram?

The middle class struggles because they are stupid with their money. Not because of a lack of opportunities.

There’s a perception issue, for sure. And I don’t k ow whose fault that is, to be honest. My wife and I are probably too 1-2% of America for combined household income. But it FEELS about like the middle class life we grew up experiencing. Now, I absolutely know it isn’t. But we don’t feel wealthy. A Subaru and a used ford explorer and a 2k square foot house built in the 1960s zoned to a neighborhood where schools get real dicey after elementary doesn’t feel like top 1% of America” to me. 
 

also, both things can be true. People can be stupid with their money and still not want handouts. 

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I think I might add that some or a lot of Dem policies really are just band-aids for the economy/middle class.

And maybe they look like handouts, but I think more than handouts, they just feel like stopgaps, even to people who don't understand what is the problem.

To really work for the middle class, Dem programs would need to be more structural, things like Wyden-Bennett and Liz Warren's proposals.

Because it was structural things like repealing Glass-Steagall that got us here.

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

Disagree. The middle class is not interested in saving anything and programs and policies don't work because the middle class has a culture problem

So much this

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Posted
11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

People can be stupid with their money and still not want handouts.

I borrow $1500 from you ONCE for a diamond studded buttplug and I never hear the fucking end of it. 

I feel attacked. 

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10 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

I borrow $1500 from you ONCE for a diamond studded buttplug and I never hear the fucking end of it. 

I feel attacked. 

I feel like me loaning you that money speaks more to my poor financial judgement than the actual purchase does to your financial judgement. 

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10 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

I borrow $1500 from you ONCE for a diamond studded buttplug and I never hear the fucking end of it. 

I feel attacked. 

In Philadelphia it’s worth $50 bucks. 

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Women outnumbering dudes 1.5x at my polling place. I don’t take anything from it since the vast majority are your typical Montgomery county blue hairs. I don’t think they are sympathetic to the cause. 

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19 minutes ago, Js1 said:

WaPo

GA: Harris +4

Wi: Harris +3

MI/PA: Harris +2

NV: tie

AZ/NC: Trump +3

There isn’t a 7 point spread between GA and NC unless the entire UGA roster got busted on 6th street and Mack Brown died. 

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47 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

Disagree. The middle class is not interested in saving anything and programs and policies don't work because the middle class has a culture problem. Plenty in the middle class could save and build wealth like years past, but they would rather get the giant truck they don't need, the 5000 square foot house they don't need, 3 kids all on travel youth sports teams, etc.

Why save money when that doesn't get any engagement on Instagram?

The middle class struggles because they are stupid with their money. Not because of a lack of opportunities.

You're not talking about the middle class. 

Anyone household with < $170k income isn't buying big SUVs while paying a mortgage/tax/insurance on a 5,000sqft house and travel league for 3 kids, and if they are, I'd think of them more as a financial genius than a slacker.  Yesterday, I walked by a SUV Costco was displaying for their car buying program.  Sticker was $52K  ...  for a fucking Kia!

In 2022, the national middle-income range was about $56,600 to $169,800 annually for a household of three 

source: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/16/are-you-in-the-american-middle-class/

 

 

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Posted
53 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The middle class doesn’t want help or handouts.

Expecting, rightfully so, a return on investment of taxes paid and their vote in the form of policies that promote the general welfare, one of the stated purposes of the Constitution, isn't a handout. I'm no expert on messaging or salesmanship, but adopting and validating this conservative, class-selective definition seems like terrible messaging. 

Plus, it's not true. The middle class will gladly accept help from Medicare, SS, FEMA, pandemic payouts, child tax credits, etc... it's just that they don't want to acknowledge they rightfully receive government assistance that the wealthy and corporations openly spend millions lobbying for.

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