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How is NWS at fault? They issued a warning 2-3 hours in advance?  Weather models as early as Wednesday showed 15 inches or more in the San Antonio / Austin / Hill Country corridor?   Everyone had been tracking a tropical storm remnant through Mexico into south Texas and the hill country?   

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4 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

This is all so funny!

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Remember how much Longhorn fans flipped out that time the players emerged for the second half looking happy as they were getting blown out by K State? Maga politicians, most especially Trump are held to the lowest standards of anyone. For the millionth time, if Democratic politicians were caught having a laugh at a time like this, there'd be national coverage and people howling that they should all resign.  

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5 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

But isn't that part of the Great we are in such a hurry to recapture?  

I'm still on this bandwagon.  While NWS is at fault, they don't have near the responsiblity in all this that the county does.  I am betting there will be lawsuits that flesh that out.  Unfortunately so many of these officials are protected from personal loss due to tort reform, leaving them with something akin to qualified immunity.  While it was put into place to protect sincere good samaritans, it's been bastardized to protect those who make shitty decisions about service to people based on re-election bids. 

I live in a community that used to have a wide variety of amenities and services.  Over the past two decades I have watched the bulk of those disappear.  The move was to first underfund the amenities and let them fall into such disrepair people could not use them.  Next obvious step was to do away with them all together, because no one is using them anymore, right?    And in doing so they could keep their maintenance fees low and everything went into the golf course and landing strip.    We have seen the same thing in our state govt.  And trump is doing the same with his dumbass DOGE stuff.  Musk is gone, but you don't see Trump scrambling to repair all the damage he did.  Nope. And too many sit there and cheer this on.   They have made the taxpayers of Kerrville or wherever seem like logical people when they refuse to pay for things of public safety.   

What they don't see is how many of their businesses rely on the tourist/camp visitors who will now be gunshy about coming to their county and choose to spend that money in a place that doesn't have such a deadly reputation.    

But in the end, those county commissioners are at fault here.  They should have done better.  

 

It's part of your energy bill every month.  I know mine is at least $50 more every month than before.  

 

Something else I bet happens.  Trump miraculously finds some FEMA money for Texas, due to the fact that if Texas goes blue, so does the rest of the country, electorally.  No FEMA for this will be huge...and we haven't even gotten into hurricane season properly yet. 

Trump could fly down Friday, take a piss in the Guad on live tv, put up two stubby middle fingers and fly back to dc… and he’d still take Tx by 10 pts in ‘28 as a write in. 

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't see NWS being at fault hardly at all, even with the cuts, they warned of "life-threatening flooding" about an hour before it took place.

Seems like everything downstream of NWS and local is at major fault for not seeing that NWS' message was distributed where it mattered and not reacting with sufficient urgency.

This is pretty much what I repping.

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10 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

While NWS is at fault,

What?  Forecasting at best is an inexact science, and they have been recently handcuffed in terms of personnel.  Issuing appropriate warnings but predicting rainfall on the low side is hardly "fault".  Jesus Christ.

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7 minutes ago, Bojack said:

Remember how much Longhorn fans flipped out that time the players emerged for the second half looking happy as they were getting blown out by K State? Maga politicians, most especially Trump are held to the lowest standards of anyone. For the millionth time, if Democratic politicians were caught having a laugh at a time like this, there'd be national coverage and people howling that they should all resign.  

And a book written by Jake Trapper. 

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10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't see NWS being at fault hardly at all, even with the cuts, they warned of "life-threatening flooding" about an hour before it took place.

Seems like everything downstream of NWS and local is at major fault for not seeing that NWS' message was distributed where it mattered and not reacting with sufficient urgency.

 

10 minutes ago, troph said:

How is NWS at fault? They issued a warning 2-3 hours in advance?  Weather models as early as Wednesday showed 15 inches or more in the San Antonio / Austin / Hill Country corridor?   Everyone had been tracking a tropical storm remnant through Mexico into south Texas and the hill country?   

Y'all are both (fuck now it's ALL of you) right.  The NWS and meteorologists did their jobs.  I misstated myself.  What I meant to say that NWS being short staffed could have been part of the problem.    But I have also seen that being short staffed alluded to for being maybe under estimating the magnitude of the event?  And all the talk about the 100 year events is based on data and analysis by the NWS and watershed authorities (corp of engineers, etc).  So defunding them, cutting staff could have been part of the initial problem.  Not defending myself, it was an error.  

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What?  Forecasting at best is an inexact science, and they have been recently handcuffed in terms of personnel.  Issuing appropriate warnings but predicting rainfall on the low side is hardly "fault".  Jesus Christ.

I give that poster a break, there's a lot of (mis)information floating about, including a narrative that the denuded NWS fucked the dog.

As much as I'd like to blame the whole mess on Trump, Elmo, and DOGE, NWS' performance is a testament to the civil servants that work there (present and past), who got their job done, despite adverse conditions.

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Yeah….  At the government level this lands pretty squarely on Kerr County with a hefty bit of complacency on the state.  And Kerr county majority will continue to vote for those that failed them because you know why.  

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Being short staffed and its technology underfunded and neglected makes NWS fuckups much more likely. And despite all that, this was not one of their fuckups

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4 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Yeah….  At the government level this lands pretty squarely on Kerr County with a hefty bit of complacency on the state.  And Kerr county majority will continue to vote for those that failed them because you know why.  

Reminds me of Uvalde

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5 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

But I have also seen that being short staffed alluded to for being maybe under estimating the magnitude of the event?

Well, I can only assume being short-staffed reduced forecast accuracy.  It sure wouldn't be expected to increase accuracy.  They're facing a monstrous problem, regardless, a confluence of all kinds of rare inputs and they're trying to make sense of it all.  Anyway, sorry for jumping on you about that.

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56 minutes ago, troph said:

Lost track but someone ask how much time… I cross checked … 1:14am NWS flash flood warning, a dad went to the camp to search for his daughter - there’s a fb post on DT - he shares he was talking with his daughter approx 4am when the phone went dead and the assumption is that’s when they were swept away. As many have suggested there were several hours between the NWS flash flood warning and the time the camp was hit. 

Dumb q probably - but do I understand, he went to the camp after the NWS warning, so probably close to 2 when he got there? Then he couldn't find her after 2 hours of searching, but somehow reached her on a cell phone? And she died in the flood. Jfc. 

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6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Reminds me of Uvalde

I didn’t want to say it, but, yeah.  Kerr County judge should commit career seppuku on behalf of him and, presumably, his predecessors.  

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26 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

 

I'm still on this bandwagon.  While NWS is at fault, they don't have near the responsiblity in all this that the county does. 

 

Say the fuck what?

The NWS has been cleared.  They did their job.   

 

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NWS probably has things they wish they'd done differently between the 1:14AM warning and 4:03AM emergency alerts, but it would be nitpicking.

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39 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Yeah….  At the government level this lands pretty squarely on Kerr County with a hefty bit of complacency on the state.  And Kerr county majority will continue to vote for those that failed them because you know why.  

except there are 2 dozen pissed-off rich/right/white dads that lost their girls

this is why the regime is scared and why the state resources didn't just flow they teleported in to place by 9am

it's just reality - i'm neither defending nor attacking their white privilege

will these po'ed dads take a knee for their orange god?

we'll know in 2 weeks

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44 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, I can only assume being short-staffed reduced forecast accuracy.  It sure wouldn't be expected to increase accuracy.  They're facing a monstrous problem, regardless, a confluence of all kinds of rare inputs and they're trying to make sense of it all.  Anyway, sorry for jumping on you about that.

the emergency alert coordinator job is empty

was that person terminated?

when the nws issues a biblical flood warning, that title sounds like the person that calls the county commissioner's cell at 114 am and says hey just a heads up you guys got this?

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I would hope it would be the moms who get up in arms.  I'm not keyed in to how MAGA dads perceive their daughters now, given this whole push towards traditional wives, mothers, homemakers.  It seems that if they won't stand up for their daughers' health care and all the other things 2025 is trying to push on society, do they value their daughters as much as their sons?    I mean we haven't seen any stand up for the victims in Santa Fe and other school shootings.  It's nearly like they are ok with having their daughters become sacrifices.

But then we are talking a different level of MAGA here.  These folks aren't living in trailers and probably have a pretty solid education.  Most I bet have some deep roots in different fraternities.  Watching the unfolding of things will be interesting indeed when it comes to those parents.  

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I recall no issue from the peanut gallery discussing causation in the fires of California thread

But, as mentioned, shutdown every talk of causation when one party is in power and you always avoid accountability.

 

 

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1 minute ago, pacman said:

I recall no issue from the peanut gallery discussing causation in the fires of California thread

But, as mentioned, shutdown every talk of causation when one party is power and you always avoid accountability.

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2 hours ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

You're surprised? Really?!?

In 2017 he said our military didn’t have any bullets because Obama & Biden didn't appropriate funds for ammunition.

There's nothing he won't blame on someone else.

Nothing bad. If it’s good then he did it but if it’s bad then it was someone else. Always. It’s pathological. 

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Although its a bit different, i will say this: Ive gotten alerts on my phone for flash floods maybe 200-300 times over the past two decades and never once have I thought “oh man, i better move immediately.

 

Now if I got a text saying “50 foot wall of water headed your way in 90 seconds,” that would elicit a different response

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2 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

how MAGA dads perceive their daughters

I'm not MAGA but the ethos of "traditional values" is that the man is the provider and the protector of the entire family, and the family members in greatest need of protection are his daughters. So they're gonna be pretty torn up about it and want their pounds of flesh. I ain't MAGA but I wouldn't blame 'em.

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2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

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Is there any universe where these fucking idiots get to "climate change is actually real" from "the weather has been weaponized"? Like, accidentally. Maybe they just stumble into it. 

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Ain’t an ounce of meaningful shit gonna result from all this in regards to the powers running the state. These same impacted rich folks also went a week without power and water in some cases with winter storm… not dick happened. 

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Someone on one of the many threads mentioned CNN coverage.  They have been nonstop in Kerrville with multiple reporters.  Now questioning the “what could be done differently”

worth a watch if interested

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1 minute ago, bluto said:

Ain’t an ounce of meaningful shit gonna result from all this in regards to the powers running the state. These same impacted rich folks also went a week without power and water in some cases with winter storm… not dick happened. 

We did get the 10 Commandments in classrooms. Have you said “thank you?”

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17 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Is there any universe where these fucking idiots get to "climate change is actually real" from "the weather has been weaponized"? Like, accidentally. Maybe they just stumble into it. 

no

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1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

Something else I bet happens.  Trump miraculously finds some FEMA money for Texas, due to the fact that if Texas goes blue, so does the rest of the country, electorally.  No FEMA for this will be huge...and we haven't even gotten into hurricane season properly yet. 

FEMA? Nah he will give Abbott the money directly via EO. How better to get all the red state governors in line then with largesse?

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Dumb q probably - but do I understand, he went to the camp after the NWS warning, so probably close to 2 when he got there? Then he couldn't find her after 2 hours of searching, but somehow reached her on a cell phone? And she died in the flood. Jfc. 

This is just completely made up. 

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Although its a bit different, i will say this: Ive gotten alerts on my phone for flash floods maybe 200-300 times over the past two decades and never once have I thought “oh man, i better move immediately.
 
Now if I got a text saying “50 foot wall of water headed your way in 90 seconds,” that would elicit a different response

I had a discussion with my wife last night. The confusion of watch vs warning is confusing enough. Let’s use something like the DEFCON system from WarGames. 5 is no big deal. 1 is get the fuck out, we’re all gonna die. Something like that. Americans are stupid. Make it easier.
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46 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Although its a bit different, i will say this: Ive gotten alerts on my phone for flash floods maybe 200-300 times over the past two decades and never once have I thought “oh man, i better move immediately.

 

Now if I got a text saying “50 foot wall of water headed your way in 90 seconds,” that would elicit a different response

Those flash flood warnings are usually not for you, they are for travelers and people who are living or staying in flood prone areas.  The banks of a CenTex river is certainly that.  There will need to be a serious post-mortem to discern how the camp administration was keeping track of the weather and alerts. Anyone at any time camping or staying along those rivers or hiking in canyons should have an NOAA weather radio where they can hear it basically all the time. 

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The whole Christian thing, besides a kind of nominal thing, seems to be a latter-day development.  Which pretty much makes sense.

Damn... We were looking for Jewish Space Lazers, but it was the Mormons behind weather control all along

 

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1 hour ago, pacman said:

I recall no issue from the peanut gallery discussing causation in the fires of California thread

But, as mentioned, shutdown every talk of causation when one party is in power and you always avoid accountability.

 

 

It's the same stupid idiots that complain every time and it's the same stupid idiots that enable them by appeasing them.

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I've been putting a lot of thought into this. If only we had a system of forecasting what the weather might be, maybe based on some type of modeling, and a communication channel to inform people of dangerous conditions, and perhaps a way to let them know what actions might need to be taken, then a lot of lives might be saved. I don't know what the costs for such a system may be, but think of the expected benefits. Now, I agree that in an ideal world we wouldn't need a system like this, and maybe a for-profit company could do a good job, but perhaps the public interest would be better served if the government was involved, at least partly. 

Thoughts?

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3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

They voted for more of the same at a higher rate after Uvalde. If that didn’t change minds, nothing will. This stupid state is a lost cause and is only getting worse with time. 

Nobody in the Texas Legislature gives a fuck about anyone from Uvalde. 

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39 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Those flash flood warnings are usually not for you, they are for travelers and people who are living or staying in flood prone areas.  The banks of a CenTex river is certainly that.  There will need to be a serious post-mortem to discern how the camp administration was keeping track of the weather and alerts. Anyone at any time camping or staying along those rivers or hiking in canyons should have an NOAA weather radio where they can hear it basically all the time. 

True most of the time, but I live 800 feet from white oak bayou

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2 hours ago, Chopper said:

Dumb q probably - but do I understand, he went to the camp after the NWS warning, so probably close to 2 when he got there? Then he couldn't find her after 2 hours of searching, but somehow reached her on a cell phone? And she died in the flood. Jfc. 

He want after the flood he spoke with her around 4am and the phone abruptly cut out.



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