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2 hours ago, Planet Houston said:

Not necessarily - I’m going to four services this week in Houston 😔

I'll be at two of them. Have several related events all week. Im exhausted. 

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1 minute ago, Paper_jam said:

I don't get this "in group" stuff. I went to UT and I don't remember a line on the application form asking what summer camp I went to.  How would an admissions officer or whoever is reviewing & approving freshman applications even find out this kind of information?

 

It’s to get in to certain sororities. 

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4 hours ago, C-Man said:


Seems like it is. Attending several funerals most likely means the Park Cities. I think there were six Mystic victims from the Park Cities — not sure another area had near as many.

I’m going to one of the funerals Wednesday. Would not shock me in the slightest if Rex is also there.

Memorial 

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6 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

I don't get this "in group" stuff. I went to UT and I don't remember a line on the application form asking what summer camp I went to.  How would an admissions officer or whoever is reviewing & approving freshman applications even find out this kind of information?

 

You work it into one of your essays.  Duh. 
 

I learned so much about leadership from my time as a camper and/or counselor at camp NameDrop.  

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On 7/12/2025 at 9:46 AM, Nicole44 said:

When is HEB running for office? They got my vote. 
 

“H-E-B has an emergency operations team that is working 365 days a year, not just when a disaster strikes,” Helfman said. “So, when a disaster strikes, we are ready to go with all the resources the community needs, and they change from disaster to disaster. So, we have eyes and ears on the ground, and we’re ready to go.”

https://www.kxan.com/independence-day-floods/why-texans-are-calling-h-e-b-the-fema-of-texas-after-devastating-floods/

HEB Emergency Operations director for next head of FEMA.

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On 7/12/2025 at 3:27 PM, texastough said:

Speculation from a seat close to the action -- I think that there will be a lawsuit that many but not all victim families will join, but those involved will have the discretion to settle for policy limits + the camp itself. Which then should be made into a memorial/park/swimming hole. 

the land is assessed at a metric fuckton, but proceeds from a sale would only net $200k for each mystic soul

if i'm a mystic father my daughter can't be priced

bulldoze it, put up a deer fence around the perimeter, and give it to the nature conservancy

as part of the settlement, no taxing entity ever takes another dime from the property

once a year on july 4th the survivors/families can enter the property for a memorial

 

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9 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

the land is assessed at a metric fuckton, but proceeds from a sale would only net $200k for each mystic soul

if i'm a mystic father my daughter can't be priced

bulldoze it, put up a deer fence around the perimeter, and give it to the nature conservancy

as part of the settlement, no taxing entity ever takes another dime from the property

once a year on july 4th the survivors/families can enter the property for a memorial

 

Memorial to the deceased, public park/swimming hole, but don't bulldoze anything.  Leave the cabins/camp as shrines for people to leaves notes and such for the departed. 

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Talked to multiple La Junta counselors. Pretty shocking stuff. They had somewhere between 50-60 kids up in the rafters of their cabins. Couldnt get out in time. They said it was impossible to see below the water line in the dark and with the deep brown color of the water. They were speaking very slow and in a serious tone, and said they thought that was it and told the kids to start praying. Exact same story I heard about the girls on the cat walk at the playhouse in Mystic. They said it was really looking bad and then the water stopped rising at the rafters, and maybe 20 minutes later it start going down. These dudes really went through something. I didn't think it got nearly that bad there. People way across the river could hear the kids crying for help. One of the cabins had multiple 6 year olds in it including one of my buddies kid from UT who showed me some insane videos of the cabins. Its actually super nice I didnt know any of this until now. 

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Also they were enthusiastic about saying if Heart of the Hills was in session it would've been way way worse. I've heard that many times now and am curious whats going to happen to that camp now that Jane has been lost. Sounds like it got it the worst. 

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Met up with some people today, including a very close friend whose son was down at La Junta the session before the flood. This isn’t shocking but they’ve been advised there will be no La Junta camps for at least the next two summers.

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The sheer scale of this tragedy in terms of lives lost is shocking. That grief obviously also all filters down through family and friends of those lost. But you can’t forget about the PTSD that many survivors are going to have to deal with. Hearing about what the kids and teens at La Junta went through sounds awful.  They are going to need resources to help them with what they experienced.

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39 minutes ago, Lidig8r said:

 I don't care if you're red, or blue, or purple 

I think you do, especially after reading that and how you described the covid situation. Which is fine, but no need to hide it. 

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As part of her “apology,” the doctor said that politics have never impacted her judgment or actions as a medical provider. But that’s not really true. After Texas Governor Greg Abbott issued a ban on school masking mandates, Dr. Propst stated the Governor was a direct threat to the health and well-being of the children of Texas. This despite the fact that children under 12 years of age were least susceptible to Covid19.

In 2020, the good doctor organized a letter which in essence blamed Congressman Dan Crenshaw for Houston’s COVID surge. This was based on Dr. Propst’s belief that Congressman Crenshaw unfairly pushed back on lockdown hysteria stating, “Dan Crenshaw, on the other hand, has spewed lies for the past four months – minimizing the threat we face and spreading dangerous disinformation for self-indulgent headlines.”

This blogger is reaching. Calling Abbott and Dan Crenshaw threats is free speech, not "actions as a medical provider." Yeah, her facebook post was ill-advised and of course she got fired over it, but I'm not going to pretend I'm more outraged at her than I am at the people who actually got those innocents killed.

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19 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

This blogger is reaching. Calling Abbott and Dan Crenshaw threats is free speech, not "actions as a medical provider." Yeah, her facebook post was ill-advised and of course she got fired over it, but I'm not going to pretend I'm more outraged at her than I am at the people who actually got those innocents killed.

Look at the totality of the circumstances. Her Abbott and Crenshaw comments. Her comments about MAGA. Her complete disregard for parents' fears. Her empty apology followed by no action on her part at all. Yes, it is a matter of free speech. But speech has consequences as well. 

One of the little girls who died was the granddaughter of a good friend of mine at UT. He and I played IM sports together, drank together, a great dude. The remains of his granddaughter was not found for 7 days.  Can you imagine the anguish that family went through? I know I certainly can. I had a daughter who died when she was 23 years old. Having a daughter or granddaughter ripped from life leaves a huge hole.

So, while this tragedy was in its first hours and we did not truly know the extent of the devastation, to have a pediatrician post something like that, and then issue a very empty apology struck a nerve.

I have been pushing back hard against the incompetent mental health/medical providers for years. This doctor though...

And yes, there absolutely must be an investigation into this. But, it is going to be turned into a political clownshow by both parties.

Oh.. and as to the dude who made a reply to the "red, blue, or purple" remark, I an a staunch independent. Did not vote for Trump or Harris, or Biden or Hillary. I tend to vote Republican for criminal court judges and Democrat for civil court judges.

By the way, I love the cantankerous, surly assholes on here! It's the Old West of the Internet with One Flew Over the Cuckold's Nest mixed in!

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yeah, let's be outraged about an online post instead of at the people who actually had power to prevent this tragedy. That makes total sense.

If Surly (or the Internet in general) required you to post under your real name/identity, we would have a lot more civil and productive society. 

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11 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

If Surly (or the Internet in general) required you to post under your real name/identity, we would have a lot more civil and productive society. 

First Amendment rights were literally borne from the ability to have anonymity. "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority." This thread and the posts the imbecile a couple posts upstream made are an example of that.

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38 minutes ago, Lidig8r said:

Look at the totality of the circumstances. Her Abbott and Crenshaw comments. Her comments about MAGA. Her complete disregard for parents' fears. Her empty apology followed by no action on her part at all. Yes, it is a matter of free speech. But speech has consequences as well. 

One of the little girls who died was the granddaughter of a good friend of mine at UT. He and I played IM sports together, drank together, a great dude. The remains of his granddaughter was not found for 7 days.  Can you imagine the anguish that family went through? I know I certainly can. I had a daughter who died when she was 23 years old. Having a daughter or granddaughter ripped from life leaves a huge hole.

So, while this tragedy was in its first hours and we did not truly know the extent of the devastation, to have a pediatrician post something like that, and then issue a very empty apology struck a nerve.

I have been pushing back hard against the incompetent mental health/medical providers for years. This doctor though...

And yes, there absolutely must be an investigation into this. But, it is going to be turned into a political clownshow by both parties.

Oh.. and as to the dude who made a reply to the "red, blue, or purple" remark, I an a staunch independent. Did not vote for Trump or Harris, or Biden or Hillary. I tend to vote Republican for criminal court judges and Democrat for civil court judges.

By the way, I love the cantankerous, surly assholes on here! It's the Old West of the Internet with One Flew Over the Cuckold's Nest mixed in!

The lady is an idiot and deserved to be fired. Say stupid shit, win stupid prizes. I'm sorry about your friend's granddaughter, a lot of us have been deeply affected by this tragedy and I understand your anger/frustration. 

That said, I'm not sure why this particular incident fires you up so much. Is it because she's a pediatrician, a job of stature and importance? That's understandable. Could it also be because she's a Democrat, and you expect more out of her? The reality is this type of trollish vitriol has been around for a while.

I hope you'd feel that same anger (or more?) for the people in actual power who use compassionless words to hurt others who are suffering as well. 

 

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11 hours ago, BlackCat said:

Also they were enthusiastic about saying if Heart of the Hills was in session it would've been way way worse. I've heard that many times now and am curious whats going to happen to that camp now that Jane has been lost. Sounds like it got it the worst. 

Thank God HOH was out of session. I don't know exactly what damage it sustained or where the waters got, but it did enough to kill Jane. 

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8 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Imagine being more upset about a woman voicing her opinion than the adults in charge whose negligence led to many deaths. Too many of you need a psychiatric examination. 

 

Was just coming to post this story.

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7 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Imagine being more upset about a woman voicing her opinion than the adults in charge whose negligence led to many deaths. Too many of you need a psychiatric examination. 

This true fact is what convinces me that our society is beyond saving.

We have glorified and sanctified a culture that doesn't just eschew any belief or action in furtherance of the common good: we have turned such things into hallmarks of pure evil.  See, e.g., Kerr County officials and their constituents not just refusing, but RAILING AGAINST, flood warning measures and funding because the funding arose under "treasonous, communist" administrations of Obama and Biden.  We do everything we can to AVOID taking measures that would help the public at large, and then....we suffer the consequences.

And we have seen what happens in the aftermath.  Stonewalling, denial of responsibility by those who directly acted (or failed to act) to prevent tragedy....and then nothing done to meaningfully change things to prevent future tragedy.

So, yeah....calling out our total and complete social and political failure is not just okay, it's fucking imperative.  If you care about a single one of the lives lost, then you should make it your mission to ensure that not another life, not a single one, is unnecessarily lost due to the same causes: demonization of the common good.

Instead, we know -- with 100% certainty -- we'll get more of the same.  And what is more of the same?  The political leadership that has set policy, and driven the tone of society and our policies, for over a generation....will deny and avoid ALL responsibility, will continue down the same path, and will ensure that we get another Uvalde, Mystic, Uri power failure, etc.....in the coming months/years.  So, none of y'all who are upset about that gal's comments need to worry your pretty little heads about it another second.  All will be well, there will be no true accountability, no true consequences for those who made choices that cost lives, and no meaningful changes on either the micro or macro level will happen.

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19 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Imagine being more upset about a woman voicing her opinion than the adults in charge whose negligence led to many deaths. Too many of you need a psychiatric examination. 

 

Well, that vindicates NWS, as apparently message received.  Although perhaps not timely enough, but I don't think you can ask for much more given the vicissitudes of weather.

Then it appears that Mystic/Eastland lollygagged a bit, perhaps belying the "disaster or evacuation" plan.

But it makes it pretty clear that Kerr County officials were almost completely asleep at the switch as far as reinforcing the warnings and providing assistance.

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29 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The lady is an idiot and deserved to be fired. Say stupid shit, win stupid prizes. I'm sorry about your friend's granddaughter, a lot of us have been deeply affected by this tragedy and I understand your anger/frustration. 

That said, I'm not sure why this particular incident fires you up so much. Is it because she's a pediatrician, a job of stature and importance? That's understandable. Could it also be because she's a Democrat, and you expect more out of her? The reality is this type of trollish vitriol has been around for a while.

I hope you'd feel that same anger (or more?) for the people in actual power who use compassionless words to hurt others who are suffering as well. 

 

I believe lidig8r has something of an axe to grind with this physician over eating disorder issues.

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32 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

will deny and avoid ALL responsibility, will continue down the same path, and will ensure that we get another Uvalde, Mystic, Uri power failure, etc.....in the coming months/years.  So, none of y'all who are upset about that gal's comments need to worry your pretty little heads about it another second.  All will be well, there will be no true accountability, no true consequences for those who made choices that cost lives, and no meaningful changes on either the micro or macro level will happen.

Or Katrina, Helene, California wildfires, Maui, etc... 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I believe lidig8r has something of an axe to grind with this physician over eating disorder issues.

No... she is not involved with eating disorders.

Quite frankly, I hope she takes some time away, finds a good therapist (that in itself is a chore), and comes back a better, more impassioned, open minded doctor.  Society needs better doctors, therapists. Right now, it is an incredible obstacle for her.  But, it can be an opportunity as well.

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Just now, 'stache said:

Shitty comment by the doctor. Wake me up though when the shit coming from actual people in power on the other side ever suffer any actual reprecussions for the dispicable things they say on a daily basis. Spare me the rage bait about some random doctor online, maybe call out that half our society has pushed us into this mindset, that being a shithead in public is a virtue. 

Fucking this.  And I can guarantee you that Doctor will face more consequences, and is more likely to change, than ANY of our leadership/power structures/culture.

We will continue to charge full speed-ahead down the "fuck the common good, always and all the time" path, against all evidence and reasoning to the contrary.  And we will not just not punish leadership for their decisions that lead to suffering and death, we'll REWARD them with re-election.

A doctor who made a shitty comment will suffer consequences (and she should).

Elected officials who decided not to install flood warning systems because "treasonous communism" will suffer zero consequences, and will actually be rewarded for their decision.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This true fact is what convinces me that our society is beyond saving.

We have glorified and sanctified a culture that doesn't just eschew any belief or action in furtherance of the common good: we have turned such things into hallmarks of pure evil.  See, e.g., Kerr County officials and their constituents not just refusing, but RAILING AGAINST, flood warning measures and funding because the funding arose under "treasonous, communist" administrations of Obama and Biden.  We do everything we can to AVOID taking measures that would help the public at large, and then....we suffer the consequences.

And we have seen what happens in the aftermath.  Stonewalling, denial of responsibility by those who directly acted (or failed to act) to prevent tragedy....and then nothing done to meaningfully change things to prevent future tragedy.

So, yeah....calling out our total and complete social and political failure is not just okay, it's fucking imperative.  If you care about a single one of the lives lost, then you should make it your mission to ensure that not another life, not a single one, is unnecessarily lost due to the same causes: demonization of the common good.

Instead, we know -- with 100% certainty -- we'll get more of the same.  And what is more of the same?  The political leadership that has set policy, and driven the tone of society and our policies, for over a generation....will deny and avoid ALL responsibility, will continue down the same path, and will ensure that we get another Uvalde, Mystic, Uri power failure, etc.....in the coming months/years.  So, none of y'all who are upset about that gal's comments need to worry your pretty little heads about it another second.  All will be well, there will be no true accountability, no true consequences for those who made choices that cost lives, and no meaningful changes on either the micro or macro level will happen.

Jane, you ignorant slut! (see, Dan Aykroyd).

I agree with much of your post.

Certainly, we should be able to all agree that the language used by this doctor was inappropriate.

The highly offensive part (to me) is that it appeared the doctor was using this horrific disaster as a platform to broadcast her political view at a time when hundreds of families in Texas were at the height of their fear. THAT is not acceptable. If this doctor knew about the flood (and she said she dead), and watched any news reports from the morning of July 4, that should have been a strong sign to keep your MAGA statements to yourself until we know so much more. Because she did not, the potential damaging impact on families was far greater.

Now, if she came out today, with an intelligent post (much like your post Brisket, only just toned down a bit to make it look like all people could get behind), it would have had a much stronger impact.

It was also questioned, why this doctor? Because I have been fighting back against medical and mental health incompetence for a number of years now. A doctor in Colorado came out with a theory on "Terminal Anorexia." it took me almost 2 years before I got that doctor to not just back away, but refute her initial opinion. Therapists and idiot doctors coming up with treatment protocols not backed by research or medical science. The eating disorder field being taken over by militant fat activists. It has been maddening.

We should expect and demand more from the brightest and best in our society.

Ok... rant over.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

If Surly (or the Internet in general) required you to post under your real name/identity, we would have a lot more civil and productive society. 

Now do this with the ICE gestapo....

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1 minute ago, Lidig8r said:

We should expect and demand more from the brightest and best in our society.

You used that term with respect to doctors.  Dude.  You and I both know that docs are often idiot savants with dunning kruger: smart about exactly one thing, but they then extrapolate that to believing they're geniuses about EVERYTHING: medical issues outside of their field of expertise and experience, issues entirely outside medical field, etc.

What do those assholes think they are, lawyers?

I respect and have genuine empathy for your experience, and yes, this doc's timing and language were shit.  But in the end, what makes me most ragey is 1) stacks of dead Texans created by a culture and governance that leads to body counts (El Paso, Uvalde, Uri, Kerrville) that either didn't need to happen at all or didn't need to be that large, and 2) the knowledge, with dead-solid certainty, that we're going to continue with more of the same.  We will demonize "the other," we will denigrate anything and everything that might help the common good as evil communism ripped from the pages of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate file, and more shit like this - and deaths - will follow.

"How dare we politicize" this from the exact same crowd that attacked California and its officials while an uncontrollable fire was still raging pisses me off (then, layer on the fact that the "failures" they tried to point to were nonsensical -- there was no massive spigot of magical water that could or would have gone to Pacific Palisades, for example).  Every disaster needs real, open, failure analysis after-the-fact.  What went wrong, what could have gone better.  Sometimes, the answer is "well, this thing here and there could have been done better, but in the end, this outcome was largely unavoidable."  Other times, the answer is "the flood/winter storm would have happened no matter what, but several things could have been done to reduce the hell out of the body count."  Not only will we not get that, we won't change our approach in general to, you know, maybe plan for such things in advance.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You used that term with respect to doctors.  Dude.  You and I both know that docs are often idiot savants with dunning kruger: smart about exactly one thing, but they then extrapolate that to believing they're geniuses about EVERYTHING: medical issues outside of their field of expertise and experience, issues entirely outside medical field, etc.

What do those assholes think they are, lawyers?

I respect and have genuine empathy for your experience, and yes, this doc's timing and language were shit.  But in the end, what makes me most ragey is 1) stacks of dead Texans created by a culture and governance that leads to body counts (El Paso, Uvalde, Uri, Kerrville) that either didn't need to happen at all or didn't need to be that large, and 2) the knowledge, with dead-solid certainty, that we're going to continue with more of the same.  We will demonize "the other," we will denigrate anything and everything that might help the common good as evil communism ripped from the pages of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate file, and more shit like this - and deaths - will follow.

"How dare we politicize" this from the exact same crowd that attacked California and its officials while an uncontrollable fire was still raging pisses me off (then, layer on the fact that the "failures" they tried to point to were nonsensical -- there was no massive spigot of magical water that could or would have gone to Pacific Palisades, for example).  Every disaster needs real, open, failure analysis after-the-fact.  What went wrong, what could have gone better.  Sometimes, the answer is "well, this thing here and there could have been done better, but in the end, this outcome was largely unavoidable."  Other times, the answer is "the flood/winter storm would have happened no matter what, but several things could have been done to reduce the hell out of the body count."  Not only will we not get that, we won't change our approach in general to, you know, maybe plan for such things in advance.

And that the California examples came not from random doctors, but politicians and officials, including POTUS.

And then lets not forget the less directly offensive, but equally inappropriate self-congratulatory press conferences from Kerr, Texas, and federal officials.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

If Surly (or the Internet in general) required you to post under your real name/identity, we would have a lot more civil and productive society. 

Hey fuck you, pal.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

You used that term with respect to doctors.  Dude.  You and I both know that docs are often idiot savants with dunning kruger: smart about exactly one thing, but they then extrapolate that to believing they're geniuses about EVERYTHING: medical issues outside of their field of expertise and experience, issues entirely outside medical field, etc.

What do those assholes think they are, lawyers?

I've worked for lawyers for a long time. They are just as bad as doctors in this regard. 

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3 minutes ago, Deej said:

I've worked for lawyers for a long time. They are just as bad as doctors in this regard. 

I've lived with women for a long time. . They are just as bad as doctors/lawyers/men in this regard. 

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10 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I've lived with women for a long time. . They are just as bad as doctors/lawyers/men in this regard. 

I've lived with relatively sentient beings who identified as women for a long time. They are just as bad as women/doctors/lawyers/men in this regard!

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15 hours ago, BlackCat said:

Talked to multiple La Junta counselors. Pretty shocking stuff. They had somewhere between 50-60 kids up in the rafters of their cabins. Couldnt get out in time. They said it was impossible to see below the water line in the dark and with the deep brown color of the water. They were speaking very slow and in a serious tone, and said they thought that was it and told the kids to start praying. Exact same story I heard about the girls on the cat walk at the playhouse in Mystic. They said it was really looking bad and then the water stopped rising at the rafters, and maybe 20 minutes later it start going down. These dudes really went through something. I didn't think it got nearly that bad there. People way across the river could hear the kids crying for help. One of the cabins had multiple 6 year olds in it including one of my buddies kid from UT who showed me some insane videos of the cabins. Its actually super nice I didnt know any of this until now. 

Same thing I heard from my buddy who had a kid at La Junta.  Kincaid family, he said the older couselors told the boys to "get to the fucking hill".  Not sure if that indicates they had more lead time.  He said his boy spent 4 hours in his underwear waiting, cold until evac occurred to a church.  We're on a 12 friend text thread, so we havent pressed for details beyond what he is sharing as his boy shares more.  He said the older male couselors in his La Junta cabin were great and the timing tells me they at least were positioned where they had time to get to higher ground.

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33 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I've lived with women for a long time. . They are just as bad as doctors/lawyers/men in this regard. 

Evelle: "Boy, you sure said something there, pardner."

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43 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

Same thing I heard from my buddy who had a kid at La Junta.  Kincaid family, he said the older couselors told the boys to "get to the fucking hill".  Not sure if that indicates they had more lead time.  He said his boy spent 4 hours in his underwear waiting, cold until evac occurred to a church.  We're on a 12 friend text thread, so we havent pressed for details beyond what he is sharing as his boy shares more.  He said the older male couselors in his La Junta cabin were great and the timing tells me they at least were positioned where they had time to get to higher ground.

It is several miles downstream of Mystic, so if they both received and acted on the 114AM NWS alert, CLJ had some more time.

What's interesting is HoH is across 39 and more than 100 yards from the bank of the Guad.

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