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4 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Whatever happened to the "You voted for this, so GOOD!" leopard eating faces energy? Was that just our Brat Summer? Time to get all sentimental with the leaves changing colors?

Dude you operate in bad faith.  I hadn’t put you on ignore but it’s clear you have no moral core.

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

I don't think Vegas is animal tobacco. 

Me neither.  Vegas is actually consistently center to center-right (in the traditional sense).  Animal Tobacco and Swam were nutjobs.

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1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:


From a game theory stance, the republicans have gone full defection, escalation, false signaling, and dominant strategy play, then any play by the democrats to ‘preserve the system’ or cooperation guarantees a loss.

There is no scenario with Republican tactics where democracy lives.

Our system is therefore dead no matter what. Democrats only play is to win at all costs and then hope to rebuild a system that closely resembles a system that you were previously trying to preserve. 
So there must be an escalating tit for tat with assured enforcement with a credible threat of retaliation.

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What I've been saying for a decade now.

Once someone has opted OUT of the Rule of Law and norms, there is no play -- none, not a single one -- within the Rule of Law and norms that is a winning play.  AND, once once side has opted out of the Rule of Law and norms, then those things are over.

Since we're living a wrestling kayfabe, once one side starts swinging chairs grabbed from ringside, any "legit wrestling" is over.  It's now a chair-swinging fight, completely outside all rules and norms. 

All that is left is to (1) win at all costs, (2) impose crippling punishment/sanctions to destroy the offenders once you have the power to do so, then (3) reconstruct the institutions of a democratic republic the best you can.  But with better guardrails and failsafes this time.  Knowing that nothing is perfect.

And at this point, all options are shitty.  But you best grab a fucking chair and start swinging if you want to survive.

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Posted
8 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I want American Nazis to have health care, because if they have health care we all have health care.

They can have access to prison healthcare. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

But you best grab a fucking chair and start swinging if you want to survive.

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if you move your pawn and your opponent shits in his hand and smears it on the board, you're not playing chess anymore.

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8 hours ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Well, for people who live in cities with populations under 100k, that complete collapse seems to be coming. It's going to be hard to have a baby when the hospital is 2 hours away.

MAGATs:

eggs are high solution is get some hens

vegetables are high: plant a garden

Pregnant and hospital closes: boil some water 

I knew they pined for the 50’s but I didn’t know it was the 1850’s

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They should just say “trumps mandate was to shut down the government. And he did in under a year. After failing to stop the Ukraine war, failing to stop rising prices, but hey his son make 200 million on a crypto scam and Trump got a free jumbo jet. I am sure republicans think this is worth it.”

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The dem party is most unpopular with…dems. Because they act like gaping vaginas. Fuck these republicans. Let them fucking choke on this and every mother fucking democratic member of congress needs to keep up the mantra that republicans can open up the government today by killing the filibuster why not done. 

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The Senate Republicans could nullify the filibuster and reopen the government tomorrow. They have the votes. Why won’t they? Because they’re unserious and incapable of governing.

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2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

The Senate Republicans could nullify the filibuster and reopen the government tomorrow. They have the votes. Why won’t they? Because they’re unserious and incapable of governing.

Well, the either don't have the senate votes or they're trying to stall Epstein shit. 

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33 minutes ago, Pasken said:

Well, the either don't have the senate votes or they're trying to stall Epstein shit. 

Of course they’re trying to stall Epstein. 

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

MAGATs:

eggs are high solution is get some hens

vegetables are high: plant a garden

Pregnant and hospital closes: boil some water 

I knew they pined for the 50’s but I didn’t know it was the 1850’s

 

What’s the solution to the lack of immigrant farm labor in the 1850’s? 

Didn’t think that through.
Once again, republicans don’t have solutions to …..

Ohhhhh.

NM.

They thought that one through.

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Posted
6 hours ago, Satchel said:

Of course they’re trying to stall Epstein. 

I wonder if this will actually stick, no matter how long we go on. Or will people just move on from it like they’ve moved on from every other one of his heinous acts. 

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I wonder if this will actually stick, no matter how long we go on. Or will people just move on from it like they’ve moved on from every other one of his heinous acts. 

I don’t think it’s gonna go away any time soon. The American attention span is basically that of my pup’s. For it to still be in the zeitgeist is surprising 

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2 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I don’t think it’s gonna go away any time soon. The American attention span is basically that of my pup’s. For it to still be in the zeitgeist is surprising 

There’s a reason that pedos have to be separated from the gen pop in prison. Almost everyone is deeply despises pedophilia

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I wonder if this will actually stick, no matter how long we go on. Or will people just move on from it like they’ve moved on from every other one of his heinous acts. 

they dont call him teflon don for nuthin.  

Posted
37 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yeah let planes crash, who cares at this point.

Speaking of plane crashes, anyone else notice the spate of plane crashes mysteriously slowed down / ended once Elmo and DOGE got kicked out?

Hmmmmmmmm.......

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On 10/20/2025 at 11:16 AM, Brisketexan said:

Oh, and while I am on one hand on the Dems' side on this (because they need to put up a fight on SOMETHING).....I do tend to agree that total, unbearable pain is the only thing that will change anything.  We need to make sure the messaging is out there, so that enough of the people know who to blame when they lose their healthcare, lose their jobs, can't afford a home or groceries or christmas presents, etc.  But let them get burned.  Badly.   Horrifically.  Because that's the only way most of us learn.

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And then, when they land, we will explain to them who was responsible for their being burned. 

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7 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I wonder if this will actually stick, no matter how long we go on. Or will people just move on from it like they’ve moved on from every other one of his heinous acts. 

 

7 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I don’t think it’s gonna go away any time soon. The American attention span is basically that of my pup’s. For it to still be in the zeitgeist is surprising 

It won't stick. The reason MAGATs haven't moved on is they haven't been forced to actually reckon with the idea that Trump is promintenly featured in the list. They still think it's going to confirm their warped view of the world that Dems and Dem-aligned folks are running a secret underground child smuggling operation. If/when they're left with nothing but vegetables on their plate, they'll throw a tantrum and get Fox to play the whiny titty baby hits. I'm a little curious as to the dog whistle they settle on. DEI and woke are about played out. I suppose they could try to refresh CRT, but I suspect their dialed-in marketing folks will have something shiny and built for distraction ready to go. I wonder if they're ready to abandon the facade and come right out with the 14 words as the mainstream rallying cry.

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Democrats need to make it clear that there's nothing stopping the Republicans from opening the government with the bill they want to force the Dems to accept.  They can remove the filibuster rule now and reopen government without a single Democratic vote.  That they haven't been shouting this from the rooftops is dumbfounding to me.

Republicans could also accept what the Democrats have presented and reopen the government, but that would require several senators to flip votes as well as a dozen or so House members.

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4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Democrats need to make it clear that there's nothing stopping the Republicans from opening the government with the bill they want to force the Dems to accept.  They can remove the filibuster rule now and reopen government without a single Democratic vote.  That they haven't been shouting this from the rooftops is dumbfounding to me.

Republicans could also accept what the Democrats have presented and reopen the government, but that would require several senators to flip votes as well as a dozen or so House members.

Dumbfounding is the perfect word. They don't even have to point to a previous year. Earlier in this freaking month the Republicans in the senate passed senate appointments with only 51 votes by changing senate rules to avoid the filibuster. I sort of get that Jeffries and Schumer are avoiding this because they are gutless and spineless pussies but where is literally any other Dem on this?

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The Republicans and this Trump Administration in 2025 have plunged our country into a significantly deeper deficit.  What's a few billion more in extending the ACA subsidies?  They could execute a perfect killshot to the Democratic hopes in the 2026 midterms by saying, "Sure, okay, we'll extend the ACA subsidies if you reopen the government and let us pay the military and other federal workers."  The voters in the red states who've grown to rely on this particular government assistance would go bonkers.

Is that a too simplistic view?

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

They only have to kill the filibuster for this one thing right?  Not entirely?

Correct. In a post earlier today I said the Republicans did this earlier this month but it was in September. They voted on party lines to change the rules for senate appointment confirmations. There is nothing stopping them from doing this for the budget, except of course not wanting to face any consequences from their fucked-over constituents.

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Correct. In a post earlier today I said the Republicans did this earlier this month but it was in September. They voted on party lines to change the rules for senate appointment confirmations. There is nothing stopping them from doing this for the budget, except of course not wanting to face any consequences from their fucked-over constituents.

This is my understanding as well, but I'm not by any stretch an expert on Senate rules.

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4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

This is my understanding as well, but I'm not by any stretch an expert on Senate rules.

Counterpoint: you're probably more of an expert on Senate Rules than all but 1-2 Republican senators.

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22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Counterpoint: you're probably more of an expert on Senate Rules than all but 1-2 Republican senators.

Grassley and McConnell were there when they were written with a quill pen. 

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The "nuclear option," which involves a majority overriding a precedent set by the presiding officer, has been used to change rules specifically for nominations, as was the case in September. While it can be, it has not been used for general legislation. I think Republicans are less concerned about crossing the Rubicon than they are about incurring the wrath of their voters who depend heavily on Obamacare.

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I think we weren't going to ever get serious on this as a country until after November 1st, when the real tires meet the road.

From what I can tell on November 1st we will see the higher health insurance premiums (functionally lapsing the Obama-era healthcare subsidies that Republicans shurt down the government to get rid of). From what I can tell the Democrats strategy is to let the full breadth of people who rely on ACA feel the pain in the short term and put pressure on lawmakers so that it isn't axed for the long term, coupled with the severe pain of everything else that goes on with a shutdown (e.g. SNAP benefits being turned off in red states, ATC's, military, etc.)

Also Nov. 1st is the first paycheck that will be missed for a lionshare of the fed workers, despite the shutdown being almost a month old.

I think we see movement on a deal in some way shape or form in the next 7-10 days.

 

Posted
9 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I think Republicans are less concerned about crossing the Rubicon than they are about incurring the wrath of their voters who depend heavily on Obamacare.

I’ve been traveling and checked out (thankfully) on 2025 political bullshit, but this gave me a thought…

What if the end game (and let’s be frank, there’s no grand architect for the Dems on this) isn’t to negotiate an extension, it’s to raise the profile of a FAILURE to negotiate an extension.  
 

This is basically about the 2026 campaign-Dem voters hate their representatives, largely for being losers, and those representatives can’t do anything about that, even collectively.  
 

What they can do is raise attention to GOP betrayals of their own voters (I.e., attempt to make those voters hate their party, too).  
 

Whether it’s a federal employees union or some other group calling for the end to the shutdown, at some point the Dems can throw up their hands, point to the pain their constituents are feeling and say “we tried.”  In other words, this gives the Dems cover and more importantly, doesn’t actually fix the problems the GOP created.  

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45 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I think Republicans are less concerned about crossing the Rubicon than they are about incurring the wrath of their voters who depend heavily on Obamacare.

Ya think



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