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8 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Yes. It was working. Then Trump tore it up. Your link to articles from 2024, long after Trump pulled us out of the deal, are completely irrelevant. 

@WhatTheBuck @Biff Tannen @wildcat09 - I was wrong. For some reason I thought I remembered that Iran was caught openly flaunting JCPOA but I just looked it up and was wrong-- all the IAEA and flagarant violations were right AFTER Trump pulled us out of the agreement (for reasons I'm still not able to understand) I had misremembered it being before. Or maybe I heard some misinformation at some point and took it as gospel. Either way-- sorry for the derail around JCPOA because you guys are correct.

So let's just go back to that, eh?

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9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

@WhatTheBuck @Biff Tannen @wildcat09 - I was wrong. For some reason I thought I remembered that Iran was caught openly flaunting JCPOA but I just looked it up and was wrong-- all the IAEA and flagarant violations were right AFTER Trump pulled us out of the agreement (for reasons I'm still not able to understand) I had misremembered it being before. Or maybe I heard some misinformation at some point and took it as gospel. Either way-- sorry for the derail around JCPOA because you guys are correct.

So let's just go back to that, eh?

Whoa whoa, I think admitting wrongness is against CR rules. You’re supposed to fight back no matter how irrational the argument. 
 

For real though, good on you. 

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The goal is growth and knowledge and, God willing, ultimately a modicum of wisdom. Even though I'm an ancient person.

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Just read some pundits who think there is a chance that maybe Iran will now do a deal for sanctions relief, now that it's got a shambles of a nuclear program left to protect or leverage. 

Talk about "never split the difference". oof.

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On 6/6/2025 at 12:40 PM, Vegas64 said:

@WhatTheBuck @Biff Tannen @wildcat09 - I was wrong. For some reason I thought I remembered that Iran was caught openly flaunting JCPOA but I just looked it up and was wrong-- all the IAEA and flagarant violations were right AFTER Trump pulled us out of the agreement (for reasons I'm still not able to understand) I had misremembered it being before. Or maybe I heard some misinformation at some point and took it as gospel. Either way-- sorry for the derail around JCPOA because you guys are correct.

So let's just go back to that, eh?

Trump pulled out of the agreement for no other reason than Obama did it.  Granted, it was a less-than-perfect deal, so subject to criticism, which gave Trump some cover.

 

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Trump pulled out of the agreement for no other reason than Obama did it.  Granted, it was a less-than-perfect deal, so subject to criticism, which gave Trump some cover.

 

It wasn't perfect, but at least Iran was abiding by it. We might be on the brink of a near global catastrophe because Trump's ego couldn't allow a black man to have the credit.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

It wasn't perfect, but at least Iran was abiding by it. We might be on the brink of a near global catastrophe because Trump's ego couldn't allow a black man to have the credit.

I saw you allude to the WWIII scenario in the other thread as well. What are you thinking as far as the cause-and-effect that could lead to a "near global catastrophe" as you say, because I'm not reading or hearing this from anyone who does these sorts of analysis for a living (yet, at least).

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4 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I saw you allude to the WWIII scenario in the other thread as well. What are you thinking as far as the cause-and-effect that could lead to a "near global catastrophe" as you say, because I'm not reading or hearing this from anyone who does these sorts of analysis for a living (yet, at least).

I'm not sure, I will have to do some more reading. I don't really have a coherent scenario in my mind, it just all feels really ominous.

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9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not sure, I will have to do some more reading. I don't really have a coherent scenario in my mind, it just all feels really ominous.

I'm not one to discount any probabilities or likely outcomes and concede you might be right, but as my therapist likes to remind me, feelings are facts.

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32 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I saw you allude to the WWIII scenario in the other thread as well. What are you thinking as far as the cause-and-effect that could lead to a "near global catastrophe" as you say, because I'm not reading or hearing this from anyone who does these sorts of analysis for a living (yet, at least).

I wouldn't put it past Israel to use nukes if Iran was able to do serious damage. But I don't think they'll be able to. 

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Y'all forget, the adults are now in charge.  The dipshit, mobster grifters got this, and as we all know, the only people dumber are their followers, and the people they put in charge of everything.

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55 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I saw you allude to the WWIII scenario in the other thread as well. What are you thinking as far as the cause-and-effect that could lead to a "near global catastrophe" as you say, because I'm not reading or hearing this from anyone who does these sorts of analysis for a living (yet, at least).

I don't know shit about fuck, just speculating. If America get's directly involved, we're all fucked, and I can see it being part of the crazy evangelical bring on the rapture bullshit. I'm convined these days though that most of them don't actually believe their religious bullshit and know it's all a pretext to be a supremecist asshole so they might not do it knowing goddamned well there ain't no rapture coming.

I also think a nuke is going to be used relatively soon and if its used in war anywhere it's MAD thereafter. I've previously suspected that if Putin is truly in danger of losing to Ukraine outright he might nuke Kyiv out of pure desperation or as an ultimate fuck you before putting a bullet in how own skull. Maybe Bibi does it to Iran for whatever whack job reason. 

 

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10 hours ago, 'stache said:

I don't know shit about fuck, just speculating. If America get's directly involved, we're all fucked, and I can see it being part of the crazy evangelical bring on the rapture bullshit. I'm convined these days though that most of them don't actually believe their religious bullshit and know it's all a pretext to be a supremecist asshole so they might not do it knowing goddamned well there ain't no rapture coming.

I also think a nuke is going to be used relatively soon and if its used in war anywhere it's MAD thereafter. I've previously suspected that if Putin is truly in danger of losing to Ukraine outright he might nuke Kyiv out of pure desperation or as an ultimate fuck you before putting a bullet in how own skull. Maybe Bibi does it to Iran for whatever whack job reason. 

 

Kids today get everything just handed to them. 

They already get to skip class to run school shooter drills.  

Now they get to skip even more class to practice the hide under your desk and kiss your ass goodbye drill. 

Plus, one lucky kid gets to skip even more class. It's straight to the principal's office for the first kid who points out hiding under your desk isn't going to shit if you are nuked and you'd probably wish you were dead if you somehow did manage to survive it.

I wouldn't know what that's like though. It's not like I did that in 4th grade and then again in 6th grade. 

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I do not know who first said something about what happens when the insane people get control of the asylum, but if the nutcases remain in control we will surely find out.



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