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4 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I ran into him in a diner in Bixby a few months ago and was caught off guard by how small he is.  

Him and Jim Jordan should be Vincent Adultman for Halloween.

 

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Prosecute Trump and Clinton, put them in one cell in an otherwise empty Alcatraz, and film a reality show. Boom, problem solved. 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

If this is true we're dumber than I thought and I already think we're pathetically stupid. 

Go look at most college football message boards. Texags for example keeps running the trope of “weird that they only care about this when trump is in power” and “Biden could have released them.” 

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Posted
15 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

Muh, Fentanyl!  Killing millions of Americans daily!

 

Not enough.

11 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

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She is nuts.

44 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Interview is from a decade ago

 

 

When Uncle Luke is like, "I'm out," you know it's bad. 

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Posted
19 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

No.

Well, let me revise that.  State prosecutors in relevant jurisdictions could bring state charges.  However, state prosecutors would actually have access to the federal evidence, including unredacted grand jury testimony, without this being made public.

Any notion that making any of this public is going to bring further legal consequences for those implicated is pretty far fetched.

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34 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Any notion that making any of this public is going to bring further legal consequences for those implicated is pretty far fetched.

The Miami Herald had to shame the FBI into doing their job. I can see a scenario where there's lack of indictable evidence due to scant, almost willfully reluctant investigation into unanswered questions that only creates more public pressure for more investigation. 

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58 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, let me revise that.  State prosecutors in relevant jurisdictions could bring state charges.  However, state prosecutors would actually have access to the federal evidence, including unredacted grand jury testimony, without this being made public.

Any notion that making any of this public is going to bring further legal consequences for those implicated is pretty far fetched.

Twice man, sometimes I don't get you. Your lack of ability to see the grey areas in issues like this is confusing to me. 

Epstein was able to conduct business and amass ridiculous wealth all over the globe to the point of being able to afford a 22,000 sq ft mansion in Manhattan, a 14,000 sq ft mansion in Palm Beach, TWO Virgin Islands, a 10,000 acre Ranch in Mexico, a 7,900 sq ft apt in Paris, and a couple properties in Ohio that he got from Les Wexner. 

Epstein paid 150 victims with law enforcement saying there were over 1,000 victims. Yet not a single assaulter was prosecuted? No one? Nada? Why is that Twice? We have the victims right? 1000 of them.

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49 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

The Miami Herald had to shame the FBI into doing their job. I can see a scenario where there's lack of indictable evidence due to scant, almost willfully reluctant investigation into unanswered questions that only creates more public pressure for more investigation. 

This is almost definitely it. On top of that remember Epstein hired Mossad goons to personally bully and intimidate FBI agents working the case. All cops, regardless which agency they're from, had every incentive in the world to leave it alone and every disincentive to pry further.

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The one good thing about pathological liars is it's easy to see when they are actually telling the truth. He's definitely been to the island, but he had someone write the letter that he doodled/signed. He's involuntarily admitting it here. 

 

 

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Posted
26 minutes ago, austingirl said:

He just wanted to be able to flee to the Cleve and club-hop down at the Flats and have lunch with Little Richard.

How do you know about the flats? lol

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20 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

No, she needs to take the pardon deal.  But she ALSO needs to tell Trump that she has 10 copies of the exact same detailed story of what REALLY happened (with videos), that she told a lie in exchange for the pardon, and if she's dead, it's because he had her killed.  Those packages are in the hands of multiple attorneys who I've paid, and who have a standing order to mail them to every media outlet if I die.  When negotiating with a mobster, do mob shit.

Welcome Ghislaine. The president waiting for you.

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

Welcome Ghislaine. The president waiting for you.

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100%.

That's why you build failsafes inside of failsafes, and you let them know beforehand.  My life insurance policy is a video of you fucking a child, motherfucker.  I die, and that policy gets cashed in.  Understood?

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18 hours ago, Bojack said:

I'm going to play Nostradamus for a second and guess that Trump didn't pay Epstein what he owed him for trafficking all those underage girls his way.

It's like the drug world - when you get stiffed on payment for your product, you can't exactly go to the police.  The only leverage in such disputes is thuggery, leverage that neither Trump nor Epstein had in the 1990s and early 2000s.  Only more recently did Trump gain the ability to kill his problems away.  I expect Ghislaine understands her current options.

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20 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Democrat-aligned interests should already be flooding the zone with posts saying that he's going to pardon or make a deal with a child molester so she'll lie to cover up his own misdeeds. That this is what conspirators do.  And that he's going to do it because he thinks his supporters are stupid enough to fall for it. 

They probably still will but the ONLY chance to beat this play in their minds is to call it out as part of the conspiracy before it happens. 

The world does not recognize nor reward victories of inaction. I questioned HW Bush's refusal to finish off Iraq. The instrument is in place, excise the malignancy. There was a rare occurence to test HW's decision when W decided to brind down Saddam. What a fucking disaster.

In this case, the Dems best move may be to play it cool. The chosen defense of the would-be empire is to accuse the Dems of conspiracy. As long as this story remains a big story pursued by the press, the victims, Q-anon, the decent, and the people, the Dems need not go shrill and give any more weight to the absurd accusation that they are the bad guys here.

Only Dems are listening to the Democratic Party. What was once politics is now a war zone. Think of it as Ukraine having a movement to oust Selenskyy. Does a Russian ad campaign help this? No.

In politics, you would think (correctly) that ousting a GOP president for the most odious of crimes would lead to people leaving that party or, more importantly, the idiot undecideds being moved to switch their votes. Think Nixon.

In war-politics, you just replace the general. You don't even consider going over to the side of or voting for the enemy. The GOPs created the hate engine that put them in power, not Trump. It will still be there waiting for the next slimeball. 

Destroy Trump, yes! Thinking the Dems can do it? No.

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3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

In this case, the Dems best move may be to play it cool. The chosen defense of the would-be empire is to accuse the Dems of conspiracy. As long as this story remains a big story pursued by the press, the victims, Q-anon, the decent, and the people, the Dems need not go shrill and give any more weight to the absurd accusation that they are the bad guys here.

Exactly. This has taken on a life of it's own. Just say "release anything else you have" whenever asked or just reply with #releasethefiles whenever Trump/GOP tries to misdirect.

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6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The world does not recognize nor reward victories of inaction. I questioned HW Bush's refusal to finish off Iraq. The instrument is in place, excise the malignancy. There was a rare occurence to test HW's decision when W decided to brind down Saddam. What a fucking disaster.

In this case, the Dems best move may be to play it cool. The chosen defense of the would-be empire is to accuse the Dems of conspiracy. As long as this story remains a big story pursued by the press, the victims, Q-anon, the decent, and the people, the Dems need not go shrill and give any more weight to the absurd accusation that they are the bad guys here.

Only Dems are listening to the Democratic Party. What was once politics is now a war zone. Think of it as Ukraine having a movement to oust Selenskyy. Does a Russian ad campaign help this? No.

In politics, you would think (correctly) that ousting a GOP president for the most odious of crimes would lead to people leaving that party or, more importantly, the idiot undecideds being moved to switch their votes. Think Nixon.

In war-politics, you just replace the general. You don't even consider going over to the side of or voting for the enemy. The GOPs created the hate engine that put them in power, not Trump. It will still be there waiting for the next slimeball. 

Destroy Trump, yes! Thinking the Dems can do it? No.

Oh my fucking god. 

"Yeah, the thing they've been doing literally forever, the thing that's brought us to the brink of ruin, is how we'll get out of this." Stop this nonsense. When the other team is begging you to stop running the play that they can't stop, you keep running that fucking play

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11 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The world does not recognize nor reward victories of inaction. I questioned HW Bush's refusal to finish off Iraq. The instrument is in place, excise the malignancy. There was a rare occurence to test HW's decision when W decided to brind down Saddam. What a fucking disaster.

 

What a paragraph. Bravo, seriously. 

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4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Oh my fucking god. 

"Yeah, the thing they've been doing literally forever, the thing that's brought us to the brink of ruin, is how we'll get out of this." Stop this nonsense. When the other team is begging you to stop running the play that they can't stop, you keep running that fucking play

But this situation is a total own goal by Trump and his minions. Dems didn't bring this to the forefront, and that's probably why it's actually sticking with people in his base. 

The minute Dems try to take control of this scandal is when pissed Trumpers decide to let it go. 

 

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(Maxwell, reading from written remarks handed to her by Todd Blanch) "I actually only very recently became aware of the existence of Donald Trump. The people involved with all the child rape were Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Jill Biden, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, and screw it let's say Pete Buttigieg too, and Gavin Newsom." 

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Twice man, sometimes I don't get you. Your lack of ability to see the grey areas in issues like this is confusing to me. 

Epstein was able to conduct business and amass ridiculous wealth all over the globe to the point of being able to afford a 22,000 sq ft mansion in Manhattan, a 14,000 sq ft mansion in Palm Beach, TWO Virgin Islands, a 10,000 acre Ranch in Mexico, a 7,900 sq ft apt in Paris, and a couple properties in Ohio that he got from Les Wexner. 

Epstein paid 150 victims with law enforcement saying there were over 1,000 victims. Yet not a single assaulter was prosecuted? No one? Nada? Why is that Twice? We have the victims right? 1000 of them.

What are the grey areas Twice is missing?

What do you disagree with in his post that you quoted? 

Posted
1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

Why would there be any reason to pardon a sex trafficker outside of her ability to exonerate Trump. Which we all know is the only reason he would consider pardoning her.

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37 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

But this situation is a total own goal by Trump and his minions. Dems didn't bring this to the forefront, and that's probably why it's actually sticking with people in his base. 

The minute Dems try to take control of this scandal is when pissed Trumpers decide to let it go. 

 

It's not about taking control of the scandal. It's about making sure they're out there stoking the fire, because if they're not Trump and his allies in the media will douse it. We've seen this happen with literally dozens of scandals and every time smart and sophisticated Democrats go "don't interfere when the enemy is making a mistake!" and then it all fucking goes away because Dems don't know how modern media or political rhetoric work. It's an entire fucking political party of George McClellans, going "maybe if we play prevent defense and run Greg Davis-designed wide receiver screens against OU it'll work this time!" 

Doing nothing has never been the winning move in politics. It's not the winning move now. The Dems need to stop trying to be fucking clever and just need to constantly attack Trump and the entire GOP for being pedophiles. It wouldn't even be a lie, there's an endless fucking volume of supporting evidence that pedocon theory is a theory like gravity is a theory. 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Would have been cool if all this shit blew up two years ago instead of after asshole got re-elected (allegedly).

Has anything come out that wasn’t known before the election? Everyone that hasn’t been mainlining FOX has known Trump was a rapist for years. 

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2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Twice man, sometimes I don't get you. Your lack of ability to see the grey areas in issues like this is confusing to me. 

Epstein was able to conduct business and amass ridiculous wealth all over the globe to the point of being able to afford a 22,000 sq ft mansion in Manhattan, a 14,000 sq ft mansion in Palm Beach, TWO Virgin Islands, a 10,000 acre Ranch in Mexico, a 7,900 sq ft apt in Paris, and a couple properties in Ohio that he got from Les Wexner. 

Epstein paid 150 victims with law enforcement saying there were over 1,000 victims. Yet not a single assaulter was prosecuted? No one? Nada? Why is that Twice? We have the victims right? 1000 of them.

We have a handful that have come forward and then mostly disappeared.  Paid off? Intimidated?  Who knows.

What we seem to lack are willing, credible witnesses.

And, if you believe that law enforcement was unwilling to prosecute for reasons unrelated to the evidence, what makes you think they'll be willing to prosecute now?

Why were Epstein and Maxwell prosecuted at all?

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Has anything come out that wasn’t known before the election? Everyone that hasn’t been mainlining FOX has known Trump was a rapist for years. 

Nope.  It's all been out there for years like you said.

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1 minute ago, kevwun said:

Nope.  It's all been out there for years like you said.

And yet the overwhelming majority of Americans never knew most of it. That's a media failure and that's a failure of the opposing political party. 

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Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Why would there be any reason to pardon a sex trafficker outside of her ability to exonerate Trump. Which we all know is the only reason he would consider pardoning her.

Yeah, he can't really argue that it was wEaPoNizAtion.  This may be the pardon that Trump can't actually justify to himself or anyone else.

There is, however, "substantial assistance" under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 35.  https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_35

But, it requires the cooperation of her sentencing judge.

 

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

The world does not recognize nor reward victories of inaction. I questioned HW Bush's refusal to finish off Iraq. The instrument is in place, excise the malignancy. There was a rare occurence to test HW's decision when W decided to brind down Saddam. What a fucking disaster.

In this case, the Dems best move may be to play it cool. The chosen defense of the would-be empire is to accuse the Dems of conspiracy. As long as this story remains a big story pursued by the press, the victims, Q-anon, the decent, and the people, the Dems need not go shrill and give any more weight to the absurd accusation that they are the bad guys here.

Only Dems are listening to the Democratic Party. What was once politics is now a war zone. Think of it as Ukraine having a movement to oust Selenskyy. Does a Russian ad campaign help this? No.

In politics, you would think (correctly) that ousting a GOP president for the most odious of crimes would lead to people leaving that party or, more importantly, the idiot undecideds being moved to switch their votes. Think Nixon.

In war-politics, you just replace the general. You don't even consider going over to the side of or voting for the enemy. The GOPs created the hate engine that put them in power, not Trump. It will still be there waiting for the next slimeball. 

Destroy Trump, yes! Thinking the Dems can do it? No.

 

50 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

But this situation is a total own goal by Trump and his minions. Dems didn't bring this to the forefront, and that's probably why it's actually sticking with people in his base. 

The minute Dems try to take control of this scandal is when pissed Trumpers decide to let it go. 

 

I said aligned interests should do it, not Democrats themselves. That was very intentional. 

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I don't think aligned interests will be able to keep the media from helping Trump change the story like Democratic officials calling him a pedophile would. The Pod Save bros can't drive mainstream media coverage like Hakeem Jeffries or AOC can.

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33 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It's not about taking control of the scandal. It's about making sure they're out there stoking the fire, because if they're not Trump and his allies in the media will douse it. We've seen this happen with literally dozens of scandals and every time smart and sophisticated Democrats go "don't interfere when the enemy is making a mistake!" and then it all fucking goes away because Dems don't know how modern media or political rhetoric work. It's an entire fucking political party of George McClellans, going "maybe if we play prevent defense and run Greg Davis-designed wide receiver screens against OU it'll work this time!" 

Doing nothing has never been the winning move in politics. It's not the winning move now. The Dems need to stop trying to be fucking clever and just need to constantly attack Trump and the entire GOP for being pedophiles. It wouldn't even be a lie, there's an endless fucking volume of supporting evidence that pedocon theory is a theory like gravity is a theory. 

I share your disdain for the Democratic Party. But they are doing what you're asking above. They're stoking the fire and attacking Trump and his administration regarding Epstein. Most of it is on social media, but that's the avenue these days. 

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