2021 Hurricane & Cyclone Thread

[Jim Ed Love 93]

Just now, GringoSalado said:

the 3 prong on the genset might be 240

I don't think so.....the light bulb in the lamp would be bright as hell for a second or so then go out cause the filament burnt up and the smoke would get let out of the fan. 

[Blotto 23227]

38 minutes ago, justhookit said:

So…. Port A is sending a trailer of supplies, and money to Houma and anywhere else they can help. It leaves Wednesday. Thank you Zarsky lumber and the other people here that made that happen.

Having gone through this before,  they need clothes. Seriously if you can give just a few T-shirt’s or shorts it will help. And pots and pans and  almost anything you can think of that would help if you lost everything. They also need moral support and beer and cigs. Seriously. The moral support is as important as the other stuff, and the beer at the end of the day helps. Especially if it’s cold beer.

@immamac you ok if I start a thread for donations? Maybe we can do a Gofundme from Surly. I’m going to wait out and see where the needs are, but in a week or 2 there will be people there that really need help. I’ll be driving over in an SUV so can’t take much, but might be able to arrange some things.

I'll donate. Was planning on finding a local  charity site online, but if you're putting shit together and heading that way, so much the better. Bonus points if some of my cash can be used to get some cold beers in the hands of volunteers busting their ass. 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Blotto

[Nicole44 21941]

36 minutes ago, justhookit said:

So…. Port A is sending a trailer of supplies, and money to Houma and anywhere else they can help. It leaves Wednesday. Thank you Zarsky lumber and the other people here that made that happen.

Having gone through this before,  they need clothes. Seriously if you can give just a few T-shirt’s or shorts it will help. And pots and pans and  almost anything you can think of that would help if you lost everything. They also need moral support and beer and cigs. Seriously. The moral support is as important as the other stuff, and the beer at the end of the day helps. Especially if it’s cold beer.

@immamac you ok if I start a thread for donations? Maybe we can do a Gofundme from Surly. I’m going to wait out and see where the needs are, but in a week or 2 there will be people there that really need help. I’ll be driving over in an SUV so can’t take much, but might be able to arrange some things.

I will help. I don't have much to give but will be glad to help. 

[Blotto 23227]

55 minutes ago, UTexasFight said:

Very rude

surly, even...

[justhookit 4159]

25 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I will help. I don't have much to give but will be glad to help. 

 

28 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I'll donate. Was planning on finding a local  charity site online, but if you're putting shit together and heading that way, so much the better. Bonus points if some of my cash can be used to get some cold beers in the hands of volunteers busting their ass. 

We are working on it. Should be a thread up tomorrow. Thanks y’all, and again it won’t be about what we do tomorrow, it’s next week or next month when they will really need help. Right now as much as I’d like to head there, I’m not much help and I’d be taking away a hotel room from someone that is homeless or someone that’s an electric linesman that really, really needs to be there. Again, if you want to help right now, it’s clothes. They will have plenty of drinkable water and food from FEMA and other sources.

[justhookit 4159]

1 hour ago, Jim Ed Love said:

I don't think so.....the light bulb in the lamp would be bright as hell for a second or so then go out cause the filament burnt up and the smoke would get let out of the fan. 

Some gensets are 240 only, I think. Don’t take it from me I’m only familiar with boats and I don’t know shit about fuck with them either.

[elfenix 34000]

jesus christ

 

[InkaUtexas 24820]

2 hours ago, justhookit said:

 

We are working on it. Should be a thread up tomorrow. Thanks y’all, and again it won’t be about what we do tomorrow, it’s next week or next month when they will really need help. Right now as much as I’d like to head there, I’m not much help and I’d be taking away a hotel room from someone that is homeless or someone that’s an electric linesman that really, really needs to be there. Again, if you want to help right now, it’s clothes. They will have plenty of drinkable water and food from FEMA and other sources.

I am in. I like how you think. Post it baby. Happy you are doing what you are doing. How would we get the clothes to you? I can run down a supply from San Marcos this week. 

Love it. Bunch of kids in Louisiana wearing Longhorn shit. Bring it on SEC. 

UT- We Rule This System.  

Edited August 31, 2021 by InkaUtexas

[justhookit 4159]

13 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I am in. I like how you think. Post it baby. Happy you are doing what you are doing. How would we get the clothes to you? I can run down a supply from San Marcos this week. 

Love it. Bunch of kids in Louisiana wearing Longhorn shit. Bring it on SEC. 

UT- We Rule This System.  

Clothes are going to have to get there from someone locally right now that can get them there. Trust me I’m working on it going forward. After Harvey, we were giving away water and cleaning supplies because we had way too much. Clothes and straight up money was gold. And ice, and fuel, but without knowing the exact damage there it’s hard to say what they are going to need. Volunteers to help with the debris removal will be my guess for their biggest need. No offense to LA, but I don’t think they will have the outpouring of support that Texas saw.  Now, it’s still a bit of a question as to how and where we can get in. Grand Isle and Port Fourchon are out for a bit, Houma is doable, we hope. If not the Port A care package is going to try to get to New Orleans or the western parts of N.O. that need it the most. I doubt they will be able to get close to the coast but they won’t arrive till Thursday so maybe. I’ll know a lot more tomorrow.

[justhookit 4159]

And hot food. That was the greatest thing ever. As soon as I hear anything about volunteer groups setting that up I’ll post it. That, and a cold beer after a long day’s work is where any money I can raise will go. I haven’t talked to him yet, but I’m betting that the Camp David guy from Harvey will set up shop there, or at least provide support/advice. Or we can pick a few families that lost everything and help them out.  We will see. Let’s give them another day or 2 to get in and see what they are dealing with.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18303]

It is really amazing how little news is coming out on the damage.  Had a morning meeting this AM where we were summarizing the damage to the oil and gas facilities, but there really are not a lot of answers as of yet. 

Know the river is a mess, but not a real idea on the refineries and terminals.

[justhookit 4159]

27 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

It is really amazing how little news is coming out on the damage.  Had a morning meeting this AM where we were summarizing the damage to the oil and gas facilities, but there really are not a lot of answers as of yet. 

Know the river is a mess, but not a real idea on the refineries and terminals.

Ok, 4 hours of sleep I’m good to go. Yes, but it’s always slow when it comes to hurricanes. We weren’t able to get back into Port A for almost 4 days days after Harvey. Their focus right now is power and frankly they don’t really care about the other damage yet. But I suspect you’ll start hearing about the oil and gas infrastructure today…. That’s a  little different. No news on the LOOP yet so good, I think?

Im headed over to Zarsky Lumber when they open this morning and will be able to talk to the guy coordinating tomorrow’s shipment of supplies.

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18303]

Yeah, pretty sure LOOP was ok.  Also, I believe all those rigs that allegedly got loose might have just been rumors.  They are expecting crews to maybe make it out there tomorrow, so would know more then.

 

[justhookit 4159]

Ok, so they are leaving Thursday morning and have been told they can only go as far as Baton Rouge to drop off. From there other trucks will take the supplies further south. So my original thought was good, we’ve got some time to figure out how to help later. Will start a separate thread for that after I’ve talked to immamac.

[justhookit 4159]

7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Yeah, pretty sure LOOP was ok.  Also, I believe all those rigs that allegedly got loose might have just been rumors.  They are expecting crews to maybe make it out there tomorrow, so would know more then.

 

I think that was all rumors, and even if Mars or similar got loose it shouldn’t be a big deal. The bigger boats should be able to get out there today, it’s 6 foot seas at 6 secs which isn’t fun, but not horrible. The problem is going to be getting the people to the boats. Friend of mine that owns a crew boat based here started running up that way about an hour ago. It’s ummm, not pretty down there.

[justhookit 4159]

16 minutes ago, justhookit said:

Ok, so they are leaving Thursday morning and have been told they can only go as far as Baton Rouge to drop off. From there other trucks will take the supplies further south. So my original thought was good, we’ve got some time to figure out how to help later. Will start a separate thread for that after I’ve talked to immamac.

Also after they return he is going to give me a quote for another run based on time, fuel, etc. I don’t think that’s the way we want to go here. They will get plenty of supplies and if it’s like Port A they will get too much. They will need money, clothes, decent food, and beer.

[FartingMonk 3603]

I got buddies out there at the Marathon plant in Garyville.  They say Everyone is pretty tight lipped about everything right now.  That's usually not a good sign.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18303]

3 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

I got buddies out there at the Marathon plant in Garyville.  They say Everyone is pretty tight lipped about everything right now.  That's usually not a good sign.

Yep.  When I was at Motiva, if something went down at the plant, it was a massive secret and only a very small group knew.

[Storm the Field 5239]

Well crap, my wife's uncle was able to swing by her parents' house in Livingston Parish yesterday and it looks like a tree limb decided to take up residence in my wife's old bedroom. God knows how long it will take for their house to get fixed. BIL's house in BR is fine according to neighbors but no idea when their neighborhood will have power restored. Everybody is supposedly heading back east tomorrow to go check out the damage, but it's probably gonna be quite a while until things are back to normal. Fortunately (for all of our sanity) my wife's parents are gonna be able to stay at a family friend's place in BR who lives in Colorado most of the year and doesn't get back until mid-October. 

[MissingInAction 24262]

10 hours ago, elfenix said:

jesus christ

 

Is she in need of evacuation? 

[CooterBrown 17695]

Is she in need of evacuation? 

I’d evacuate all over those titties.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13269]

12 hours ago, Xian said:

Speaking of gators 

The St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's office reported that a man in his 70s was attacked by a gator Monday while wading through floodwaters in his home.

 

Sad and horrific story. However if I was the police I would be checking to see if the guy had a life insurance policy. Could be a convenient way to fake a death. 

[Brisketexan 103148]

8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Sad and horrific story. However if I was the police I would be checking to see if the guy had a life insurance policy. Could be a convenient way to fake a death. 

"Yeah, I done saw it!  He was eaten whole by a gator!  But don't bother lookin' for that gator....right after, I saw a shark swim up and eat dat gator whole, den swim out ta sea!  He gone!"

[Nice Guy Eddie 13269]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

"Yeah, I done saw it!  He was eaten whole by a gator!  But don't bother lookin' for that gator....right after, I saw a shark swim up and eat dat gator whole, den swim out ta sea!  He gone!"

And there's no reasen to look at our shed out in da swamp. That shark and gator done went no where near it.

[Fudge Nuggets 18825]

3 hours ago, justhookit said:

I think that was all rumors, and even if Mars or similar got loose it shouldn’t be a big deal.

It would be a pretty big deal to Shell since it would probably capsize. There shouldn’t be any environmental issues related to producing wells but ask BP how Thunderhorse tipping over wasn’t any big deal.

Thankfully it was a bullshit rumor.

[Fudge Nuggets 18825]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, I done saw seen it! 

Corrected…

[gsoda3 3187]

4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

It would be a pretty big deal to Shell since it would probably capsize. There shouldn’t be any environmental issues related to producing wells but ask BP how Thunderhorse tipping over wasn’t any big deal.

Thankfully it was a bullshit rumor.

that thing's tethered, it's not going to capsize.

[RPM 26073]

12 hours ago, Xian said:

Speaking of gators 

The St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's office reported that a man in his 70s was attacked by a gator Monday while wading through floodwaters in his home.

 

 

[Fudge Nuggets 18825]

18 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

that thing's tethered, it's not going to capsize.

The rumor was it became unmoored.  If’n it’s unmoored then it ain’t tethered no more.

[justhookit 4159]

But still wouldn’t capsize. Thunderhorse had a structural failure.

[Bevo 13417]

18 minutes ago, justhookit said:

But still wouldn’t capsize. Thunderhorse had a structural failure.

Same with the Edmund Fitzgerald

[GringoSalado 1639]

19 minutes ago, justhookit said:

But still wouldn’t capsize. Thunderhorse had a structural failure.

Had to google this and google says a check valve was installed backwards? BP gon BP.

[The Ace of Aces 4946]

This damn storm is gonna give me love 8” rain and major flooding tomorrow. 

[justhookit 4159]

4 minutes ago, GringoSalado said:

Had to google this and google says a check valve was installed backwards? BP gon BP.

I mean yeah he’s right it could happen I guess. Rita had like 50 foot waves and multiple floaters broke loose. I think one did capsize. But this storm didn’t have nearly that amount of punch.

[WBT 20131]

15 minutes ago, GringoSalado said:

Had to google this and google says a check valve was installed backwards? BP gon BP.

Maybe it was one of those reversible check valves

[Homercles 10162]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

"Yeah, I done saw it!  He was eaten whole by a gator!  But don't bother lookin' for that gator....right after, I saw a shark swim up and eat dat gator whole, den swim out ta sea!  He gone!"

[jdhorn92 1524]

7 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said:

This damn storm is gonna give me love 8” rain and major flooding tomorrow. 

Better than getting 8" the other way

 

[atomheartbevo 88750]

22 hours ago, Xian said:

Speaking of gators 

The St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's office reported that a man in his 70s was attacked by a gator Monday while wading through floodwaters in his home.

[UT_OB1 2193]

10 hours ago, GringoSalado said:

Had to google this and google says a check valve was installed backwards? BP gon BP.

Hey, it can be really tough to figure out which way those go without an advanced degree. Not like there are instructions right there on the part

Edited September 1, 2021 by UT_OB1

[FartingMonk 3603]

16 minutes ago, UT_OB1 said:

Hey, it can be really tough to figure out which way those go without an advanced degree. Not like there are instructions right there on the part

You'd be surprised.  

[Hmbre97 6252]

30 minutes of drone footage from Grand Isle. Looks like a lot of the nicer homes with metal roofs escaped relatively unharmed. Big sections of homes completely gone, then sections with minimal damage. I wonder if the building density helps with that. 

I was expecting bolivar peninsula post-ike where 90% of everything was washed into the bay. Bolivar also had a bunch of old shitty beach houses too. Our family cabin a couple of blocks from rollover was built in the 60's. I don't even think the pylons were left after Ike. 

[UT_OB1 2193]

1 hour ago, FartingMonk said:

You'd be surprised.  

Nope. I was in agreement with you. I’ve seen it too. 

Edited September 1, 2021 by UT_OB1

[justhookit 4159]

4 hours ago, Hmbre97 said:

30 minutes of drone footage from Grand Isle. Looks like a lot of the nicer homes with metal roofs escaped relatively unharmed. Big sections of homes completely gone, then sections with minimal damage. I wonder if the building density helps with that. 

I was expecting bolivar peninsula post-ike where 90% of everything was washed into the bay. Bolivar also had a bunch of old shitty beach houses too. Our family cabin a couple of blocks from rollover was built in the 60's. I don't even think the pylons were left after Ike. 

They didn’t have the surge. I know the weather channel,was saying possible 12 foot or more but this storm was fairly small and didn’t sit out in the gulf as a cat5. Got really, really lucky. On the other hand I know a bunch of those houses that look ok actually are very fucked up.

[justhookit 4159]

Damn. The more I watch that the more amazing it is. You don’t want your neighbors roof blowing off and landing on your roof and you don’t want their whole house breaking loose and running into yours. There was almost none of that.

the sections or blocks that got obliterated are maybe small tornadoes. At least that’s what we decided after Harvey. Hall my block was blown to pieces. 2 houses had standing back walls but the front was literally gone. The other houses on the street only had flood damage, or damage from the debris flying off a neighbors house. My house was fine until the neighbors roof decided to say fuck it I’m outta here.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4956]

7 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:

Hey, it can be really tough to figure out which way those go without an advanced degree. Not like there are instructions right there on the part

 

7 hours ago, FartingMonk said:

You'd be surprised.  

 

5 hours ago, UT_OB1 said:

Nope. I was in agreement with you. I’ve seen it too. 

You can't assume the maintenance contractor knows which way the process is supposed to flow, although sometimes operations just assumes it should be self evident.

[Fudge Nuggets 18825]

48 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

 

 

You can't assume the maintenance contractor knows which way the process is supposed to flow, although sometimes operations just assumes it should be self evident.

Sounds like something a maintenance contractor would say.

[Pescado_Rojo 19192]

NOAA images of Cocoderie to Dulac and up into Houma up hwy 56. You can zoom and move the stitched together images with your mouse. Looks pretty bad. 

https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/ida/index.html#17/29.27216/-90.64848

[Francisco 2.0 31567]

But wait, it gets better.  From 2017:

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2017/08/cleveland_man_drilled_holes_in.html

 

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A Wooster man faces criminal charges after he broke into an electroplating company he once owned and drilled holes in tanks of dangerous chemicals, Cleveland police investigators said.

The incident sent one employee to the hospital for exposure to toxic chemicals, and risked a potential environmental disaster, according to a Cleveland police report.

Benjamin Dagley, 50, is charged with breaking and entering in the Aug. 22 incident at Cleveland Plating on East 134th Street in the South Collinwood neighborhood.

 

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Dagley was identified in police reports as a former co-owner of the business, but court records indicate he owned a similar electroplating company at the same location before Cleveland Plating took over, and he still owns the property itself.

Employees called police around 8 p.m. Aug. 22 after a security guard discovered gas escaping in one of the facility's chemical rooms.

Surveillance footage later revealed Dagley drilled into tanks of sodium cyanide, hydrochloric acid, yellow chromate, ferrous chloride, and sulfuric acid, according to a current owner, Ed Cochran.

 

Spoiler

"If you mix the (cyanide and hydrochloric acid), you basically have the cyanide gas of World War I," Cochran said. "It certainly would produce a toxic vapor that could kill."

Employees told police that the released chemicals "are severe enough to cause a large scale catastrophe, and Dagley knew what he was doing," the report says.

Potential cyanide poisoning is the reason why the 27-year-old security guard who found the leaks was taken to University Hospitals, according to Cochran and the report.

Her injuries and current condition were not immediately available, but Cochran believes she has been released from the hospital.

Firefighters and a hazmat specialist went to the building the night of the break-in, and Cleveland police and firefighters also notified the Environmental Protection Agency and U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the report says.

Cochran told cleveland.com that the business hired a hazmat firm to oversee clean-up. Within 36 hours, that process was complete and the Ohio EPA determined all chemicals were contained inside the building, with no exposure to the neighborhood, according to an EPA spokesman.

The police report does not say how Dagley managed to break into the building. Surveillance showed him walking into the property around 6 p.m., drilling holes into the containers, then leaving about 15 minutes later, the report says.

"Thank god we have security guards there 24/7," Cochran said. "Otherwise, it wouldn't have been discovered until (the next morning), and it would've been late."

A warrant was issued for Dagley last week, but he hasn't been arrested, court records show.

Police didn't outline a possible motive and Cochran declined to share details due to a pending civil case in Wayne County.

Court records there and in Cuyahoga County indicate that Dagley and his companies are locked in a financial dispute over the property, its mortgage, and Cleveland Plating's lease, among other things.

"He wants us to settle and we won't pay, that's why I think he's done all this," Cochran said.

Cleveland Plating's current owners asked a judge for a temporary restraining order against Dagley earlier this year, saying that he entered the building April 8 and put locks on almost all the doors, court records show. The judge denied that request.

About two months later, Dagley was charged with misdemeanor assault after he returned to the property with two other people and broke into the business through a roll door, the reports and court documents say.

A security guard told police that an irate Dagley yelled at him through a crack in an office door, then slammed the door into his knee and punched him in the mouth, the report says.

One of the other men said he rode to the business with Dagley that day to "help him lock the building up," the report says.

The assault case is still pending in Cleveland Municipal Court, court records show. Dagley's next court appearance is scheduled for Sept. 7.

 

[RPM 26073]

On 8/30/2021 at 11:29 PM, GringoSalado said:

the 3 prong on the genset might be 240

[UT_OB1 2193]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

But wait, it gets better.  From 2017:

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2017/08/cleveland_man_drilled_holes_in.html

 

 

 

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"If you mix the (cyanide and hydrochloric acid), you basically have the cyanide gas of World War I," Cochran said. "It certainly would produce a toxic vapor that could kill."

Employees told police that the released chemicals "are severe enough to cause a large scale catastrophe, and Dagley knew what he was doing," the report says.

Potential cyanide poisoning is the reason why the 27-year-old security guard who found the leaks was taken to University Hospitals, according to Cochran and the report.

Her injuries and current condition were not immediately available, but Cochran believes she has been released from the hospital.

Firefighters and a hazmat specialist went to the building the night of the break-in, and Cleveland police and firefighters also notified the Environmental Protection Agency and U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the report says.

Cochran told cleveland.com that the business hired a hazmat firm to oversee clean-up. Within 36 hours, that process was complete and the Ohio EPA determined all chemicals were contained inside the building, with no exposure to the neighborhood, according to an EPA spokesman.

The police report does not say how Dagley managed to break into the building. Surveillance showed him walking into the property around 6 p.m., drilling holes into the containers, then leaving about 15 minutes later, the report says.

"Thank god we have security guards there 24/7," Cochran said. "Otherwise, it wouldn't have been discovered until (the next morning), and it would've been late."

A warrant was issued for Dagley last week, but he hasn't been arrested, court records show.

Police didn't outline a possible motive and Cochran declined to share details due to a pending civil case in Wayne County.

Court records there and in Cuyahoga County indicate that Dagley and his companies are locked in a financial dispute over the property, its mortgage, and Cleveland Plating's lease, among other things.

"He wants us to settle and we won't pay, that's why I think he's done all this," Cochran said.

Cleveland Plating's current owners asked a judge for a temporary restraining order against Dagley earlier this year, saying that he entered the building April 8 and put locks on almost all the doors, court records show. The judge denied that request.

About two months later, Dagley was charged with misdemeanor assault after he returned to the property with two other people and broke into the business through a roll door, the reports and court documents say.

A security guard told police that an irate Dagley yelled at him through a crack in an office door, then slammed the door into his knee and punched him in the mouth, the report says.

One of the other men said he rode to the business with Dagley that day to "help him lock the building up," the report says.

The assault case is still pending in Cleveland Municipal Court, court records show. Dagley's next court appearance is scheduled for Sept. 7.

 

He should still be in jail from the 2017 thing. Don’t know why they let people like that out.