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1 minute ago, ClubWhatever said:

Give him 7.5M through 2029.  That's 5 years to get it done in the SEC.  If he gets it done in that league, then Kirby his ass.  

Yes.  I want to reiterate that I’m not against a raise or an extension but I think we need another year or two similar to this before giving stupid money

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27 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes, your initial premise is accurate.  But, some of the thinking changes that accompany getting sober might not be compatible with the coaching of Division 1 football.  So many (successful and otherwise) coaches are such fringe personalities these days, you kind of wonder if it doesn't require a personality disorder to succeed.  And, even if it doesn't require a personality disorder, reconciling past job behavior or traits with sober behavior or traits can be a challenge, including a challenge to sobriety so I was a bit worried for Steve.  But I'm glad he's having this success and I hope it continues.

Man, I went back and looked at some of those presser videos from recently that people have been rec'ing.

The humility and authenticity of that guy just oozes.  I can't think of another coach like that.  That, I am relatively certain, is a by-product of sobriety:  you can talk about tough stuff, answer hard questions without bluster, without resorting to cliches and deflections.  It's remarkable.

And, I bet that it is so unconventional that it takes players some time to adjust to it and respond to it.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


How many guys on the OL and DL will be replaced then?

Plenty but I think the recruiting machine is going to just rake. Unstoppable.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Man, I went back and looked at some of those presser videos from recently that people have been rec'ing.

The humility and authenticity of that guy just oozes.  I can't think of another coach like that.  That, I am relatively certain, is a by-product of sobriety:  you can talk about tough stuff, answer hard questions without bluster, without resorting to cliches and deflections.  It's remarkable.

And, I bet that it is so unconventional that it takes players some time to adjust to it and respond to it.

This is what I’m talking about. I was going to actually say if he’s got a depression streak then vulnerability is the answer but in the end fuck all of that he’s a sober guy that does it right, it’s not shocking he’s killing it and you know exactly what I’m talking about. It’s not just a sober guy, sobriety isn’t the end all be all. It’s self awareness and self reflective folks that have a major leg up on others. He’s got it. It’s incredible. 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh, and in the same way I don't get the feeling Sark "needs" to be the highest paid dude out there, I get the feeling he'd probably like to see some substantial reward for his staff.  Spreading a couple mil around (plus a bit for Sark) could make several really valuable guys very, very happy.

cough*Tashard Choice*cough

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33 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes, your initial premise is accurate.  But, some of the thinking changes that accompany getting sober might not be compatible with the coaching of Division 1 football.  So many (successful and otherwise) coaches are such fringe personalities these days, you kind of wonder if it doesn't require a personality disorder to succeed.  And, even if it doesn't require a personality disorder, reconciling past job behavior or traits with sober behavior or traits can be a challenge, including a challenge to sobriety so I was a bit worried for Steve.  But I'm glad he's having this success and I hope it continues.

When Bobby Ross was HC of the Chargers, he slept in his office 3 or 4 nights a week during the season.  His wife would bring him dinner and he'd spend 30 minutes or so with her. 

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2 minutes ago, troph said:

This is what I’m talking about. I was going to actually say if he’s got a depression streak then vulnerability is the answer but in the end fuck all of that he’s a sober guy that does it right, it’s not shocking he’s killing it and you know exactly what I’m talking about. It’s not just a sober guy, sobriety isn’t the end all be all. It’s self awareness and self reflective folks that have a major leg up on others. He’s got it. It’s incredible. 

I'm sure all of that plays into his success.  Beyond that, he's smart as hell and creative to boot.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm sure all of that plays into his success.  Beyond that, he's smart as hell and creative to boot.

I started with he’s talented. I so fucking happy!

funny tho my wife and I have been together for 8 years she’s never seen me glued to Saturday football like this. I said, “babe, our Alma mater is gooooood!!” Fucking A this is so bad ass!

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21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Oh, and in the same way I don't get the feeling Sark "needs" to be the highest paid dude out there, I get the feeling he'd probably like to see some substantial reward for his staff.  Spreading a couple mil around (plus a bit for Sark) could make several really valuable guys very, very happy.

This is where I am at. There are some pretty essential guys in the assistant ranks that I wouldn't want to lose. I think they might even be more important than making sure Sark gets his money.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

If he wins the title pay him all the money and all the years. 

and be sure to make an otherwise identical, but completely filled in plaque and present to him on behalf of Jimbo

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In his Monday press conference recently, he said he does a post-mortem of the season and that they evaluate everyone on staff starting with himself. I would love to know how fair and complete of a job the evaluation looks and use that as a guide to how we should look at his compensation.
 

Given his past, I was very concerned when we hired him because of the amount of stress that comes with the UTHFC position. I thought it would be one of the most difficult challenges to his sobriety imaginable. I love that he's been successful and the growth that he's obviously had over the years, including his time on the 40. At this point he does look like our long-term guy. It's so damn nice to have this feeling again.

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Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, immamac said:

Exactly. I think this is the way. He’s due more money, but let’s not get stupid about it until sustained success. 

Sark's 6yr contract details started early 2021

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  • 2021 - $5.2 million
  • 2022 - $5.4 million
  • 2023 - $5.6 million
  • 2024 - $5.8 million
  • 2025 - $6 million
  • 2026 - $6.2 million

 

Sark #30   $5.6 million   (Oct. 2023)

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https://footballscoop.com/news/usa-today-list-highest-paid-college-football-coaches-salaries-2023-nick-saban-dabo-swinney 

 

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Posted
35 minutes ago, immamac said:

I do think he should get a one time bonus or an accelerated contract amount and a renewal but I think it’s too early to say give this guy a top 5 contract in college football for 5+ years with most of it being guaranteed. 

It’s about winning of course but if you seen his interviews he’s a keeper for reasons beyond just winning, if that’s possible.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Deej said:

Says the guy who brings along a sex tent on big road games. 

If anyone knows when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em in terms of dick-sucking, it’s a dude who travels with a sex tent…

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Oh, and in the same way I don't get the feeling Sark "needs" to be the highest paid dude out there, I get the feeling he'd probably like to see some substantial reward for his staff.  Spreading a couple mil around (plus a bit for Sark) could make several really valuable guys very, very happy.
Two we must hang on to are Tashard Choice and Bo Davis, but that won't be easy if either are offered a coordinator or HC job. Of course in the event of the latter you just gotta thank them for their service and wish them the best. The price of success is having your staff raided...we've been fortunate so far but it won't last.
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Posted
22 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

Inexcusable not to call timeout before the delay penalty.  

Watching live in my mind he was too stunned by the audacity of it and was thinking

"There is no way he is going to stand over the ball until the play clock runs out. Is there?

Holy shit! They are really going to do doing that? Now? In front of everybody? FUUUCK!"

(they do in fact stand over the ball and let OSU run players on as the clock runs out)

"Wow"

(out loud now) "That was my fault."

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Posted

He's getting a big extension. I could see it being an additional 3-5 years at $9mil annually.

His agent will want to strike while the iron's hot and we shouldn't do anything to make him feel slighted.

The way Michigan treated Harbaugh before he started going crazy these last 3 years (post new contract) was not a good look for them. He's still underpaid.

 

We're better than that. Doesn't need to be a long contract, but he needs to get paid. 

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12 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Whether Sark is or isn't the guy long term and regardless of how much extra compensation he gets after this season, what's more important I think is that he has proven that you can still win at Texas. He has proven that the location, brand, culture, boosters, campus leadership etc. is not incompatible with winning and that Texas is still a blueblood of the game. Which makes sense given the national success that so many sports at Texas have enjoyed since 2009 - but Texas football was never going to be back until it was back. 

Now that it is - it's easy to feel better about the future whether Sark is here 5, 10, 15 more years. The guy after Sark doesn't have to suck like the two guys between him and Mack did. He's reminded everyone what the standard should be and that it is attainable. 

Solid fucking post. I like off the sauce Ztejas

Posted
19 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Whether Sark is or isn't the guy long term and regardless of how much extra compensation he gets after this season, what's more important I think is that he has proven that you can still win at Texas. He has proven that the location, brand, culture, boosters, campus leadership etc. is not incompatible with winning and that Texas is still a blueblood of the game. Which makes sense given the national success that so many sports at Texas have enjoyed since 2009 - but Texas football was never going to be back until it was back. 

Now that it is - it's easy to feel better about the future whether Sark is here 5, 10, 15 more years. The guy after Sark doesn't have to suck like the two guys between him and Mack did. He's reminded everyone what the standard should be and that it is attainable. 

You can win at Texas if you hire competence, culture and work ethic over flashy. The “sexy” hires either flamed out by not producing results or got themselves fired for being shitty people. 

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23 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Whether Sark is or isn't the guy long term and regardless of how much extra compensation he gets after this season, what's more important I think is that he has proven that you can still win at Texas. He has proven that the location, brand, culture, boosters, campus leadership etc. is not incompatible with winning and that Texas is still a blueblood of the game. Which makes sense given the national success that so many sports at Texas have enjoyed since 2009 - but Texas football was never going to be back until it was back. 

Now that it is - it's easy to feel better about the future whether Sark is here 5, 10, 15 more years. The guy after Sark doesn't have to suck like the two guys between him and Mack did. He's reminded everyone what the standard should be and that it is attainable. 

Great post.  Quoted for a really level headed opinion on this.

Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Although depression is often co-morbid with alcoholism (alcohol is one of the finest CNS depressants known to man, to boot), that vulnerability and humility is an express teaching and goal of AA and most recovery psychology.  

You hear a lot of talk about honesty in AA and recovery.  At the first pass, that is quit lying to cover up your drinking and misbehavior.  At the second pass, it's quit lying about anything so as to avoid guilt.  At the third or fourth pass, it's quit lying to yourself and to other people about who you are and what are your character defects, it becomes all about humility and authenticity and the integrity is just along for the ride at that point.

And, as a result of that, you come to understand that you are really no better and no worse than your fellow man, even when in your cups (to think otherwise, even negatively, is just vanity), and that you can be honest, open and accountable and acceptable to yourself and to anyone else who matters.  And then, then you have it mostly knocked.

100% and quite frankly that was analogous to my journey which is why I relate hard to sark and to my sober brothers and sisters.

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Yeah, I don’t think sark’s agent is gonna waste the keystrokes asking for 7.  If they push for something, I assume it would be closer to 10 than 7.   Does Sark have interest in going back to nfl at some point?   

Agreed. I was being conservative with the hypothetical.
Posted
2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Sark's 6yr contract details started early 2021

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  • 2021 - $5.2 million
  • 2022 - $5.4 million
  • 2023 - $5.6 million
  • 2024 - $5.8 million
  • 2025 - $6 million
  • 2026 - $6.2 million

 

Sark #30   $5.6 million   (Oct. 2023)

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View the full list here.

 

https://footballscoop.com/news/usa-today-list-highest-paid-college-football-coaches-salaries-2023-nick-saban-dabo-swinney 

 

You look at that list over there and you noice that Joey Fucking Freshwater and Josh Heupelare pulling down $ 9 million vs $5.7 and it’s kinda shity and scares you to death. Sark and Co deserve a decent raise.

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Posted
Just now, El Squared said:

You look at that list over there and you noice that Joey Fucking Freshwater and Josh Heupelare pulling down $ 9 million vs $5.7 and it’s kinda shity and scares you to death. Sark and Co deserve a decent raise.

Mel Tucker and Jimbo make you think twice.

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No one knows what drives a coach, but ego certainly plays a role. I don’t mean this is a bad or pathological thing, but sober Steve might have something to prove to drunk Steve, in terms of succeeding in his profession.  
 

Yes money is a great thing too,  and he deserves some kind of raise, but wonder how much Longhorn football success is about validating him to himself. Whatever it is, if it isn’t self destructive, I hope he is able to sustain it.

 

And yes it’s so refreshing to have a sincere person at the podium and at a microphone instead of a political , ducking sleaze bag.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Mel Tucker and Jimbo make you think twice.

It’s about the terms , and not going agge, but something needs to be done , at least for the staff, but doing nothing after winning the conference, and getting a berth in the CFP deserves something better than  a “certificate of merit”. Likely his original contract had some incentives built in, and maybe that’s good enough but #30 seems a bit off.

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On 1/4/2023 at 5:37 PM, Nicole44 said:

I don’t think I am a weirdo for wanting Sark to get an OC. He is part of a dying breed or diminishing group of HCs that are still the main play caller. There is a damn good reason for this. He’s never had one. As a HC he has not won a MNC or a CCG. He did it his way albeit (not sober) at USC and Washington. As an OC he was part of MNC teams. Big success there. He can’t be both. He won’t win dick doing things the same way he always done things. He’ll get what he’s always got. But in two years this conversation will be more clear when he’s GOT ALL HIS guys…and y’all will be making excuses cuz we are in the SEC. 

 

On 1/4/2023 at 4:10 PM, jw4381 said:

And back to the topic, Sark will continue to be a middling coach until he stops calling the offense. He needs to manage the game and yell at the refs, and then we'll be rolling.

 

On 1/4/2023 at 4:19 PM, JFKFC said:

I think Josh Heupel makes around $5 million a year. He has 5 season as a head coach. Three of those seasons he has had double digit win totals. Is that better than Sark? 

Lots of gold from this thread haha

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17 minutes ago, El Squared said:

No one knows what drives a coach, but ego certainly plays a role. I don’t mean this is a bad or pathological thing, but sober Steve might have something to prove to drunk Steve, in terms of succeeding in his profession.  
 

Yes money is a great thing too,  and he deserves some kind of raise, but wonder how much Longhorn football success is about validating him to himself. Whatever it is, if it isn’t self destructive, I hope he is able to sustain it.

 

And yes it’s so refreshing to have a sincere person at the podium and at a microphone instead of a political , ducking sleaze bag.

There’s a ton to the idea of proving it to himself I guarantee it. 

1 minute ago, ATXbronco said:

Double everyone's salary

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Cept Terry and Blake tbqh. 

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1 minute ago, ATXbronco said:

Double everyone's salary

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I don't think we need to double anyone that is working with the secondary just yet ... unless by double you mean pay someone else to do it. Hopefully the teaching zone and communication will happen before Jan 1st.

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19 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

 

 

Lots of gold from this thread haha

I’m happy to eat crow. When we win the MNC. Happy as hell to have a final Big 12 trophy and I admit didn’t think we’d get there. But we did. I like Sark and I have a very healthy respect for him as a man and a coach. There is a very short list of people who can HC and be an OC and win championships. That’s not a criticism it’s a fact. I hope he defies the odds. It’s not just because I’m a Longhorn. It would be special for him to do it. Being sober since 4/24/22 I also appreciate his sobriety and how hard it can be and he’s also under tremendous pressure as the HC of the Longhorns. I admire this about him. I hope he can do both. And early in the season there were legit questions as to whether or not he can. I will be happy to be wrong. I’ve also learned in many many years of watching Longhorn football never to count my chickens before they hatch.

 

Let’s just be happy with where we are today and remember how hard it was to get to this spot. Celebrate we are here. Because it feels great! It’s been a long damn time and I think the team and coaches and most of all Sark for taking us on this wild ride this season. So thanks! It was sorely needed. 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

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So I eat crow. I also want to apologize to anyone I have offended by being frustrated and snarky on this thread in particular. Like many of you football is my escape. That and this forum. 
I lost my cousin to suicide last March. I lost my uncle to a heart attack (totally unexpected) who was like a surrogate father to me on May 7, 2023. His wife, my mom’s sister, was diagnosed with early onset dementia in her early 60’s, four years ago,  and she passed away horribly in an Alzheimer’s home on September 28, 2023. I was with her when she passed away and took her last breath. 
UT football mostly stunk throughout my childhood but my dad a UT grad was a super fan. He died in 2005 during the MNC season right before OU weekend.

a lot of you bleed orange like I do. With the losses I have had the past year and 9 months though I have been harder on Sark and the team than I should have. I’ve been beyond frustrated with the past 13 plus years of UT football. Even before those few great years of VY and Colt which I cherish. I want Sark to succeed. It’s great for him and us. It’s great for the players. 
I’ve been around long enough though to realize that criticism is sometimes warranted and it doesn’t mean we want the person fired. Sometimes we are wrong. I am often wrong. But when you’ve experienced the past two years I have you learn to NOT get your hopes up always waiting for the other shoe to drop. 
 

Hookem! Proud of the team and Sark and coaches! What a hell of a year! 🤘🏼🤘🏼

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4 hours ago, ztejas said:

Whether Sark is or isn't the guy long term and regardless of how much extra compensation he gets after this season, what's more important I think is that he has proven that you can still win at Texas. He has proven that the location, brand, culture, boosters, campus leadership etc. is not incompatible with winning and that Texas is still a blueblood of the game. Which makes sense given the national success that so many sports at Texas have enjoyed since 2009 - but Texas football was never going to be back until it was back. 

Now that it is - it's easy to feel better about the future whether Sark is here 5, 10, 15 more years. The guy after Sark doesn't have to suck like the two guys between him and Mack did. He's reminded everyone what the standard should be and that it is attainable. 

 

Texas decision makers have hired some damn shitty coaches. Zero accountability for them

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

So I eat crow. I also want to apologize to anyone I have offended by being frustrated and snarky on this thread in particular. Like many of you football is my escape. That and this forum. 
I lost my cousin to suicide last March. I lost my uncle to a heart attack (totally unexpected) who was like a surrogate father to me on May 7, 2023. His wife, my mom’s sister, was diagnosed with early onset dementia in her early 60’s, four years ago,  and she passed away horribly in an Alzheimer’s home on September 28, 2023. I was with her when she passed away and took her last breath. 
UT football mostly stunk throughout my childhood but my dad a UT grad was a super fan. He died in 2005 during the MNC season right before OU weekend.

a lot of you bleed orange like I do. With the losses I have had the past year and 9 months though I have been harder on Sark and the team than I should have. I’ve been beyond frustrated with the past 13 plus years of UT football. Even before those few great years of VY and Colt which I cherish. I want Sark to succeed. It’s great for him and us. It’s great for the players. 
I’ve been around long enough though to realize that criticism is sometimes warranted and it doesn’t mean we want the person fired. Sometimes we are wrong. I am often wrong. But when you’ve experienced the past two years I have you learn to NOT get your hopes up always waiting for the other shoe to drop. 
 

Hookem! Proud of the team and Sark and coaches! What a hell of a year! 🤘🏼🤘🏼

I just don't know if I can ever look at you the same after some of the things you said in this thread. Compensation may be required...

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9 hours ago, jw4381 said:

Already claimed my crow. But I'll gladly take another helping here and now.

 

Haha my bad, I was just looking at the beginning of this year and those stood out. There isn’t a single person on here who hasn’t said something they regret or were horribly wrong about. Hell I compared our roster to Kansas’s that first season sark took over in my quest to fight for the corches haha. Bad take then and it still is today. I think we can all agree that winning feels good no matter who was right about it though. Hook em 

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8 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

So I eat crow. I also want to apologize to anyone I have offended by being frustrated and snarky on this thread in particular. Like many of you football is my escape. That and this forum. 
I lost my cousin to suicide last March. I lost my uncle to a heart attack (totally unexpected) who was like a surrogate father to me on May 7, 2023. His wife, my mom’s sister, was diagnosed with early onset dementia in her early 60’s, four years ago,  and she passed away horribly in an Alzheimer’s home on September 28, 2023. I was with her when she passed away and took her last breath. 
UT football mostly stunk throughout my childhood but my dad a UT grad was a super fan. He died in 2005 during the MNC season right before OU weekend.

a lot of you bleed orange like I do. With the losses I have had the past year and 9 months though I have been harder on Sark and the team than I should have. I’ve been beyond frustrated with the past 13 plus years of UT football. Even before those few great years of VY and Colt which I cherish. I want Sark to succeed. It’s great for him and us. It’s great for the players. 
I’ve been around long enough though to realize that criticism is sometimes warranted and it doesn’t mean we want the person fired. Sometimes we are wrong. I am often wrong. But when you’ve experienced the past two years I have you learn to NOT get your hopes up always waiting for the other shoe to drop. 
 

Hookem! Proud of the team and Sark and coaches! What a hell of a year! 🤘🏼🤘🏼

Dammit, I'm sorry for all that you've been through recently. I am glad that you're here and a member of this board so don't ever take any of my shit talking the wrong way please. It's never meant as anything but my opinion. The back and forth banter we have is what makes this place special. I hope we beat the hell out of washington then give michigan a fight for their life because fuck bama and having to play them again lol. I hope your dad is smiling at the thought of us winning the last conference title we will ever play in the big 12. 

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12 hours ago, Atticus said:

He's getting a big extension. I could see it being an additional 3-5 years at $9mil annually.

His agent will want to strike while the iron's hot and we shouldn't do anything to make him feel slighted.

The way Michigan treated Harbaugh before he started going crazy these last 3 years (post new contract) was not a good look for them. He's still underpaid.

 

We're better than that. Doesn't need to be a long contract, but he needs to get paid. 

It's coming this offseason and it is going to hurt.  How many more years does Saban have left?  That threat alone is going to put Sark in the Top 5.  And his assistants will get paid if they stay.

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