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Marc Cuban selling Mavs to Adelsons for 3.5B


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I didn't read that as vegas in the presser, I read that as a Casino/Resort location - vegas isn't the only place with those now especially with sports betting, but it may be one of the only ones that doesn't have an NBA team already. 

Dallas losing the mavs would be kind of insane, especially since they seem to be doing well there attendance wise

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Cuban is hedging that casinos and sports betting is coming to Texas. He keeps talking about the Mavericks next arena (sigh as we're already talking about that for a 20 year old arena) being in casino. I believe he owns land across 35 from the American Airlines Center that's next to the Trinity River. So it will be interesting to see the Adelson gambling interests going up against the Oklahoma gambling interests to keep things as they are. 

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7 minutes ago, royiv said:

Cuban must not pay attention to politics in Texas if he thinks casino gambling or sports betting have a chance of legalization in his lifetime.

He knows exactly, and this is how he hedges that option. Casino's and Sports betting in Texas he can benefit from his ownership position and land holdings, and if it doesn't pass he sold at a great price and can be a minority owner of the Vegas High Rollers.

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Between this and Cuban announcing that he's leaving Shark Tank, something is up. Not to flip this to CR but there has been rumors of a future Presidential run at some point. Feels late to be jumping into 2024 but then again who knows.

The only other aspect that I can think is that he has some huge tax loss to write off and selling his stake (most) offsets that loss. Otherwise I would guess he would be paying a fortune in capital gains on this sale.

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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Between this and Cuban announcing that he's leaving Shark Tank, something is up. Not to flip this to CR but there has been rumors of a future Presidential run at some point. Feels late to be jumping into 2024 but then again who knows.

The only other aspect that I can think is that he has some huge tax loss to write off and selling his stake (most) offsets that loss. Otherwise I would guess he would be paying a fortune in capital gains on this sale.

If he has aspirations of politics, getting into bed with a family as polarizing (to keep it non-CR) as the Adelsons are would be an interesting strategy.

2 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Texas House voted in May in favor of online sports betting. They voted on a casino proposal as well. Who was the biggest lobbyist for this? The Adelsons. 

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https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/10/texas-legislature-sports-betting-casinos/

 

 

Gotta get through the Senate and that’s not going to happen any time soon.

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28 minutes ago, royiv said:

Cuban must not pay attention to politics in Texas if he thinks casino gambling or sports betting have a chance of legalization in his lifetime.

Yee have little faith in the power of money and corruption to influence the religious right

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19 minutes ago, midtown said:

Yee have little faith in the power of money and corruption to influence the religious right

Tillman Fertitta has more money than Cuban, extensive casino interests and is as corrupt as they get yet hasn’t been able to do anything about it for the last 20 years that he’s been trying. 

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1 hour ago, TonyTexas said:

Tillman Fertitta has more money than Cuban, extensive casino interests and is as corrupt as they get yet hasn’t been able to do anything about it for the last 20 years that he’s been trying. 

Once Tillman put the Nugget in Lake Charles, he has limited interest in Texas casinos as it would destroy that business.

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5 minutes ago, mycox said:

Texas would see billions of extra tax revenue if Mark Cuban and Tilman Fertitta were allowed to open casinos. 

Oklahoma and Louisiana gaming interests have the Texas Senate/Patrick bought off though, so it ain't happening.

We've all seen the ads they've been running for years, both the Sands ads to bring gambling here, and the OK/LA-backed ads about how it would destroy Texas.

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23 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

Once Tillman put the Nugget in Lake Charles, he has limited interest in Texas casinos as it would destroy that business.

He would gladly destroy that business in exchange for getting sports gambling at the Toyota Center and a casino in downtown Houston.

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2 hours ago, royiv said:

Cuban must not pay attention to politics in Texas if he thinks casino gambling or sports betting have a chance of legalization in his lifetime.

Steve Wynn couldn't get it done with the casino on Buffalo Bayou, nor could the Pratt family and Caesar's. But gambling (sports gambling, at least) is much more ubiquitous/mainstream than it was then.

5 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

A Cuban for President; Florida will vote 100% for him.

Miami, but not Jacksonville

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You have to remember that Mark Cuban did about the best top tick ever when he cashed out on broadcast.com. Maybe he sees a similar bubble in sports franchises and wanted to get some liquidity out?

 

With streaming are TV revenues for sports topping? Idk. Just a thought. 

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3 hours ago, mycox said:

Texas would see billions of extra tax revenue if Mark Cuban and Tilman Fertitta were allowed to open casinos. Although congress would not have the mental ability to spend it wisely.

I have no idea how much extra tax revenue would be generated, although I don't see it doing much overall for New Jersey, Louisiana or Oklahoma, but putting that aside there's another problem with your statement.

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Tillman Fertitta has more money than Cuban, extensive casino interests and is as corrupt as they get yet hasn’t been able to do anything about it for the last 20 years that he’s been trying. 

Does Tillman really have more? I would have thought the opposite
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4 hours ago, mycox said:

Texas would see billions of extra tax revenue if Mark Cuban and Tilman Fertitta were allowed to open casinos. Although congress would not have the mental ability to spend it wisely.

Now imagine if those casinos sold weed. 

 

1 hour ago, Boss Hogg said:

Also I don’t read much into quitting shark tank. How many times do you have to watch amateur pitches and pretend to be impressed?

 

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5 hours ago, Boss Hogg said:

Also I don’t read much into quitting shark tank. How many times do you have to watch amateur pitches and pretend to be impressed?

We watch Shark Tank a lot because the kids like it. We like to google the companies that are interesting or where interesting deals are made. I read a stat that like 71% of the deals you see on TV actually never happen as told, if at all. Which makes sense because you are making a deal based on face value versus actually vetting that the numbers and traction is real that was told to you, but that still seemed high.

Also, this was interesting:

 

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21 hours ago, RPM said:

Casino Dallas. Flipping Texas to casino gambling > LV move. By a factor of kajillion.

I already semi-like Cuban.  I like how he challenges shit with the league and whatnot.  If he pulls the bolded part off/ or at least gets to influence it, God bless him.

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I don't believe any of the bullshit those Shark Tank clowns claim. Here's an example of why...

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The founders of The Comfy, brothers Brian and Michael Speciale, first appeared in season 9 of the show in 2017. They were originally seeking $50,000 for a 20% stake in the company.

In a Season 10 update episode the brothers shared that within five weeks of being on “Shark Tank,” they hit their first $1 million in sales and in less than a year they hit $15 million in sales.

“They made me $468 million in three years,” Corcoran said. “Nobody wanted it... I never anticipated.”

I seriously doubt that business ever generated $468M in sales, much less enough profit to return that much money to a minority investor. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2022/12/23/co-creator-of-the-comfy-a-shark-tank-hit-fights-to-keep-company-afloat/?sh=1505988c7894

But she has made that claim numerous times. Its entertainment, not reality. 

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3 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I don't believe any of the bullshit those Shark Tank clowns claim. Here's an example of why...

I seriously doubt that business ever generated $468M in sales, much less enough profit to return that much money to a minority investor. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2022/12/23/co-creator-of-the-comfy-a-shark-tank-hit-fights-to-keep-company-afloat/?sh=1505988c7894

But she has made that claim numerous times. Its entertainment, not reality. 

Also, I don't know if this is still the case, but for the first part of the run on Shark Tank, just by showing up and pitching to the Sharks you gave up some meaningful amount of % of equity, whether they did a deal or not. It was to curb the bump in free advertising and marketing for being on the show and to stop folks from being disingenuous with wanting to do a deal.

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