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Just now, G650 said:

Man, I'm not remotely trying to pick a fight with you. I 100% agree with this statement and have never argued otherwise. Can we get back to calling Vance weird.

100%. I edited that post to say pretty much the same. 

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6 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I think some (not all) of this is a consequence of gerrymandering. Take the old Tx31 for example. That district went from the North Austin WilCo neighborhoods all the way up to Ft Hood and parts of Milam county. The Democratic part of that district was heavily weighted to N Austin, CP, and Round Rock, so in a D primary "Jim" the Pediatrician or Lawyer or whatever from Bertram would get trounced by "Mary" the tech worker from Cedar Park...even though "Jim" had a better message to appeal to the rest of the district. I saw it happen time and time again.

Now, I guess you could put some of that on the TDP for not suggesting to Mary she would get more party support  if she ran for a county commissioners court seat or school board or something. 

You're right, and I do. 

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3 minutes ago, sidis said:

so...who here is quickly reminded of another eugène ionesco's play "la cantatrice chauve" when reading this back and forth between ltbear and g650??

(last one i promise)

Au contraire, mon frere. La Comédie humaine clearly.

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39 minutes ago, sidis said:

damn, i'd hoped to log in this morning to see that my injection of the french lit threadjack would have caught a jd vance fucks couches wave and that people would be threatening each others' livelihoods over whether or not samuel beckett should be considered under the umbrella but alas, a discussion over the meaningfulness and validation of people's life choices/circumstances vis-a-vis having offspring and whether that choice/circumstance makes life more or less valuable will always win out.

wait, has anyone here ever read "les enfants terribles" by cocteau or "chéri" by colette?

Is this where Brisket talks about how much he digs the French, especially French women?  Because I really would enjoy that threadjack tangent.....

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Not a fan of preaching politics from the pulpit. We criticize it when guys like Jeffress and Young do it so we should hold the other side to the same standard. Keep politics out of religion and keep religion out of politics.

Can I get an Amen?!?
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Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Vance looks and sounds like a vice presidential candidate of some political party started on line from somebody's basement.

4 hours ago, mchookem said:

preach. i've said it here before... having children is a special experience for the parent. but there's nothing exceptional about it... it's literally been done billions and billions of times. congratulations. 😐

Hear hear. 

4 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Yes it's fine, but it avoids the reality that decades of the policies they think are good is what led their party to where it is now. Announcing that it took the glaring and unrepentant shittiness of Donald Trump AFTER his time in office to realize that the Republican Party didn't actually stand for true conservative (i.e., classic liberalism) ideals isn't nearly as worthy of the self-congratulatory tweet as he thinks it is. 

I disagree.

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This thread isn't the place to debate it, but I strongly disagree that normie Republican policy orthodoxy on taxes and guns (insofar as I find the former ridiculous and the latter hypocritical and amoral in the extreme) is what brought their party to this point. What led their party to this point is decades of pandering to people they used to reject in order to acquire and consolidate power, and a shocking lack of personal integrity among elected Republicans once they did. 

I agree, but I would add that they stopped running on policy during the Reagan years. Their policies were shit when it came to controlling spending and reducing the size of government. They started running purely on hate for the illusory liberals determined to destroy Holy America. It was surely part pandering, but the emotion that drove the votes was hate. The gun thing fits in with the hate fear that you won't be able to protect yourself from the lib government that will move against you.

Their policies for what they say they stand for never work. They run on hate, and, when elected, claim they were elected for love of policies that serve only the rich and their own will to power. Their voters never caught on about the poicy and were addicted to the hate anyway.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Is this where Brisket talks about how much he digs the French, especially French women?  Because I really would enjoy that threadjack tangent.....

You're one horny motherfucker these days, my friend.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Interesting to see Luke Wilson getting 7% of the vote in Pennsylvania.

 

 

Jill Stein

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Dear Democrats: Many Americans (myself included) will be voting Democrat for the first time in our lives this November. We’re not doing this because we agree with Democrats on policy; we’re doing it because we understand the need to stop Trump from destroying our Constitution. If you see us non-Democrat Kamala supporters on Twitter espousing beliefs you disagree with, like on taxes or guns or whatever, try to let it go. Don’t be jerks. Don’t disparage and argue, expecting us to toe the Democrat line, because we won’t. We’re not Democrats. Being hostile to us will backfire and endanger our alliance. We’ve made common cause with you in this election because our democracy faces an existential threat. We agree Trump is dangerous and we want to work with you to defeat him. Let’s be grateful for this mutual cooperation. We can go back to arguing and being opponents after November. Until then, we have a country to save.

This makes a lot of sense to me.

I’m pretty sure there are a whole bunch of people who have finally and maybe reluctantly come to the conclusion that Trump is a jackass and is not good for the county but still deep down believe that the “liberal left agenda” is not good for the country either. Seems to me these people are the key to the election. They are there for taking if she comes out and leans moderate vs just trying to lean harder left.

I’ve never understood why the parties seem to decided leaning harder to the extremes is the way to go. Maga certainly sees it that way - see project 2025 or whatever it’s called.

The hardcores are going to vote Trump or Harris no matter what. The first group that figures there are a bunch of people in the middle and how to speak to them wins in a big way imo. I hope it’s her.
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This makes a good point

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They can only turn to help from weirdos like Graham, Vivek, Desantis, Ron Johnson, Bannon, Kirk, the demented Kennedy from Louisiana because they've all become the same fuckin imbecile, made in the image that Trump wants. 

 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 

Trump getting 25% support among blacks with Harris at only 67% in this poll. lol OK
Mark Penn's outfit, the 161st ranked pollster according to 538. 

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22 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 

LOL, an online poll that has Trump winning the 18-24 age group, losing women only 44%-48%, winning independents 46-41, and getting 25% of AA vote, Sure. 

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Trump getting 25% support among blacks with Harris at only 67% in this poll. lol OK
Mark Penn's outfit, the 161st ranked pollster according to 538. 

Harvard-Harris ain’t a good pollster. Throw it on the pile 

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Posted
53 minutes ago, sidis said:

wait, has anyone here ever read "les enfants terribles" by cocteau or "chéri" by colette?

No, but I'm very familiar with Metal Gear Solid

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14 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


This makes a lot of sense to me.

I’m pretty sure there are a whole bunch of people who have finally and maybe reluctantly come to the conclusion that Trump is a jackass and is not good for the county but still deep down believe that the “liberal left agenda” is not good for the country either. Seems to me these people are the key to the election. They are there for taking if she comes out and leans moderate vs just trying to lean harder left.

I’ve never understood why the parties seem to decided leaning harder to the extremes is the way to go. Maga certainly sees it that way - see project 2025 or whatever it’s called.

The hardcores are going to vote Trump or Harris no matter what. The first group that figures there are a bunch of people in the middle and how to speak to them wins in a big way imo. I hope it’s her.

Bullshit. The dems have catered to the center for a good while now and it hasn't gotten them anywhere. The right just keeps shifting so far right the very concept of the "middle" has also shifted to the right. People complaining about the "liberal left agenda" have no idea what the fuck that means. The dems need to message better, but they don't actually need to shift their policies away from what is actually popular. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's incredible how the word weird is just destroying the GQP's collective minds.

i mean...

 

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I read the other day (not here, I don't believe) is part of the power of weird is that it actually stops Ds from making arguments that Rs benefit from.  Part of the allure of Trump is the danger of it. "oooh, he says dictator for a day!" "oooh, he says you won't have to vote again, i'll fix it!" "ooh, he says he'll pardon jan 6ers!"  All of that is energizing to the right because of the strongman punisher logo 'no more bullshit' bumpersticker undercurrent.  The left can't help but feed into that messaging.  We switch to saying 'a buncha fucking incels' and there is no free advertising in it.

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4 minutes ago, sidis said:

i mean...

 

That's....I have no words. Incredible.

Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I read the other day (not here, I don't believe) is part of the power of weird is that it actually stops Ds from making arguments that Rs benefit from.  Part of the allure of Trump is the danger of it. "oooh, he says dictator for a day!" "oooh, he says you won't have to vote again, i'll fix it!" "ooh, he says he'll pardon jan 6ers!"  All of that is energizing to the right because of the strongman punisher logo 'no more bullshit' bumpersticker undercurrent.  The left can't help but feed into that messaging.  We switch to saying 'a buncha fucking incels' and there is no free advertising in it.

It's a much better way to clown on them than calling them racist or Nazis or whatever. Normies hear that and check out. Normies hear you call them weird and they're like "oh yeah, I agree."

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39 minutes ago, Player said:


So in addition to being a couch fucker…

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Vance is also a shower shitter?

WEIRD!

Damn… at least have the decency to do it over the drain.

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So one way to challenge Trumpers peacefully is to ask them to clearly articulate the “radical far left agenda” they are so afraid of and how exactly the democrats have shown any real policy success in achieving that agenda.  Or how do they imagine the democrats would go about achieving it when they can’t even get $15 minimum wage to pass with a majority in both houses and the presidency?

Then try to thoughtfully articulate the far right agenda and point to all the success they’ve had in the recent past… stripping women’s rights and major tax cuts for the ultra wealthy at the expense of the middle class and the deficit.  Those are their two MAJOR victories over the past 10 years. 

I know this is a lost cause but focusing on the policy stuff gets you in more thought provoking conversations than Trump bad vs Dems more or less bad. 

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20 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Their taxes and guns positions were only ever about "I gotta get me mine, screw everybody else" which is the starting point of a line that ends exactly where they are now. 

Put more charitably for those who truly were the frogs in the pot and didn't start out extreme, unlike the power brokers, believing in nothing except individuals over society necessarily ends up here. Personal freedom, individual liberty, and the right to be left alone all sound like good ideas in theory. But they only work within a functioning society; the Republican messaging that has fetishized the rugged individual and demonized collective society for decades absolutely leads to their current state.

And I don't say this with pure malice by any means. All of that appealed to me as well for many years. But then I grew up and realized that we have moral responsibilities to help people less fortunate than we are, to follow the golden rule and leave others alone if we went to be left alone, and to share financial responsibility for valid government services as fairly as possible. And those pretty obvious truths are antithetical to the Republican Party. I was just a kid when the first clue made itself clear (GOP control led to higher deficits putting the lie to the "party of fiscal responsibility" BS).

So yeah, I will deride a grown man who only just now started figuring it out. But maybe not to his face because the country needs him to vote correctly and his tweet shows that he might not if he gets his feelings hurt. 

This is an excellent post.  Yeah, some folks below disagree with you.  And sure, it's about MESSAGING, not reality (Fox news and Rush and all that shit broke a lotta people's brains).  But you know that I am with you on the "the individual is god, the common good is the enemy" ethos being a poison that we've ingested a ton of these past 30 years or so.

My hypothesis is that, as you see things going to shit for you (as they have for the rurals), you naturally begin to think "fuck it, I'll handle everything myself, I'm the only person I can rely on to help me."  I buy that, because I've felt that way at times in my own life.  It's human nature.  So, it's you against the world.  And fuck the world.

The counter-message to that ethos is "man...that sucks.  But we're all in this together.  We HAVE to all be in this together.  What if we worked -- together -- to build something that helped all of us?  You, me, your neighbors?"  Offer that POSITIVE counter-narrative....and KEEP offering it.  It's going to take DECADES to de-program people.  So, let's get to work on that.  Shit like "I'm not running for president of blue states, or red states.  I'm running for president of these UNITED states.  All of us.  Working together for the common purposes that have made this country great, and can make it even better."

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The weird stuff is good, but it should be used against the politicians and highly visible MAGAt mouthpieces only, don't get back into the deplorable stuff.

The next message needs to be a big pushback on DEI.   If they want to talk about unqualified people getting handed jobs, mock the litany of people like the TRUMPS.   Some counter acronym to describe unqualified GOPers who only got their jobs due to who their dad was.

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I read the other day (not here, I don't believe) is part of the power of weird is that it actually stops Ds from making arguments that Rs benefit from.  Part of the allure of Trump is the danger of it. "oooh, he says dictator for a day!" "oooh, he says you won't have to vote again, i'll fix it!" "ooh, he says he'll pardon jan 6ers!"  All of that is energizing to the right because of the strongman punisher logo 'no more bullshit' bumpersticker undercurrent.  The left can't help but feed into that messaging.  We switch to saying 'a buncha fucking incels' and there is no free advertising in it.

Totally agree. 

When people are hysterically mad at Trump, it's what feeds him and his voters. They want that reaction out of you. When you diminish Trump and his cronies and brush them off as weird or awkward people, that response exudes a confidence that makes them all very uncomfortable. 

They. Are. Bullies. That's all. And there is a winning response to bullying, thank god Dems are finally figuring it out. 

 

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The weird stuff is good, but it should be used against the politicians and highly visible MAGAt mouthpieces only, don't get back into the deplorable stuff.
The next message needs to be a big pushback on DEI.   If they want to talk about unqualified people getting handed jobs, mock the litany of people like the TRUMPS.   Some counter acronym to describe unqualified GOPers who only got their jobs due to who their dad was.

And maybe something about hundreds of years of white men being handed stuff because they were white men. The original DEI.
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Just now, Red Five said:


And maybe something about hundreds of years of white men being handed stuff because they were white men. The original DEI.

Some people get big mad when I point out the 20th century US was basically welfare for mediocre white dudes.

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Posted (edited)
45 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Interesting to see Luke Wilson getting 7% of the vote in Pennsylvania.

 

 

SPR hadn't polled PA since after Biden's SOTU (Biden +5) so hard to take away much from it, except Harris +4 is +3 to the left from 2020. 

Their final 2020 poll was Trump +1 (Biden +1 actual) and in 2022, Shapiro +14 (Shapiro +15 actual) and Oz +1 (Fetterman +5 actual). 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Red Five said:


And maybe something about hundreds of years of white men being handed stuff because they were white men. The original DEI.

This offends me as a white man!  I wasn’t handed anything in life except a paid for college education, all of my jobs and tons of cash.  

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2 minutes ago, G650 said:

Some people get big mad when I point out the 20th century US was basically welfare for mediocre white dudes.

And thus far the 21st century has been welfare for mediocre billionaires. 

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3 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

This offends me as a white man!  I wasn’t handed anything in life except a paid for college education, all of my jobs and tons of cash.  

I must have marked the wrong box somewhere along the line. 

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4 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

This offends me as a white man!  I wasn’t handed anything in life except a paid for college education, all of my jobs and tons of cash.  

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