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7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

He really is tired. This is from earlier today.  He slurred some words the few minutes I listened, and he rambled about Biden and Biden using teleprompters.

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Ok, this is like the 4th or 5th screen grab lately with an absolutely insane shit scrolling across the bottom line.  Are these all jokes?  Or are they real life?  Because holy fuck if they are real.

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2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

There is a culture of losing in that party.  They'd rather lose, play the victim, and blame everyone else.  Trump is that in human form.

It's like a college football program where winning isn't the most important thing.  Making certain boosters happy, keeping a coach, lack of money, etc.  

Aggy.  All you had to say was aggy.

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1 minute ago, tx ind said:

If we get NC and PA called early the shitposting coming from Truth Social will be epic

FL gets called pretty quickly on election night, regardless of outcome. So if we see a suburbs continue to shift left in places like Orlando and Tampa and Miami shift left, it bodes well for the rest of the night.

Of course, the longer they can’t call Florida (even if it’s eventually a Trump win, the better everyone should feel. He won FL by 3.3 and it was called at 11:30pm

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Just stoked to be pretty much locked in a position (I agree on Nevada) where winning Pennsylvania makes Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina irrelevant bonuses.

It will be funny to watch Dotard scream again about how he supposedly won an election that he lost by 70 EVs and 7-8 million votes. Because of all the obvious fraud everywhere that no one can even identify, much less prove.
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4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

The only two Democrats they haven’t endorsed in the last 40 years are Hillary and Kamala. 

Note, the President of the union changed after the 2020 election. Previous President was an ally of Biden's. New guy previously brought in a guy pardoned by Trump to be his right hand:

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/18/firefighters-union-iaff-schaitberger-trump-kelly-golsteyn/

 

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 Ed Kelly, a young rising star in the Massachusetts labor movement, won his bid to become General Secretary-Treasurer of the International Association of Fire Fighters, or IAFF: the union representing 320,000 firefighters and paramedics across the U.S and Canada. The position is the second most powerful in the union, behind the presidency, which has been held for the last two decades by 74-year-old Harold Schaitberger, a close ally of Joe Biden.

Soon after, Kelly tapped combat veteran Mathew Golsteyn to serve as his chief of operations. The low-key hire came at the recommendation of Kelly’s brother, Greg, who had overlapped in Afghanistan with Golsteyn. But Golsteyn was not just any Green Beret: He had earned a spate of shocking headlines just a year earlier for alleged war crimes, for which he was ultimately pardoned by President Donald Trump in November 2019. In the month following the pardon, Golsteyn joined Trump onstage at a secretive fundraiser for the Florida Republican Party, helping them net $3.5 million in donations.

In 2015, Golsteyn had been stripped of a Silver Star after disclosing in a CIA polygraph interview that he had shot and buried an unarmed Taliban fighter he thought was a bombmaker, and later dug up the remains and burned them in a pit. The revelations roiled the CIA, which quickly notified the Pentagon, sparking a two-year investigation in which the U.S Army concluded in 2013 that Golsteyn had knowingly violated the laws of war. While investigators did not find enough evidence to bring criminal charges, in an internal Army memo previously reported by The Intercept, Golsteyn was reprimanded for a “complete lack of judgement and responsibility” and told he had “discredited” himself and the U.S military.

But in October 2016, just a month after joining the firefighters union, Golsteyn was asked on Fox News if he killed the suspected bombmaker, to which he replied, “Yes.” This new public admission sparked army investigators to quickly reopen their investigation, and two years later charged Golsteyn with murder.

The new probe and criminal charges became a cause célèbre among conservatives, who rushed to Golsteyn’s defense. Golsteyn’s lawyer called the murder charge a case of “political correctness” and following an interview with Golsteyn’s wife in December 2018 on the president’s favorite news program “Fox & Friends,” Trump got involved.

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Firefighters’ Union, a Key Biden Ally, Confronts a Barr Investigation and Trump’s Pardon Power

IAFF's president and his second-in-command are caught in a high-stakes brawl ahead of union elections and the race for the White House.

Rachel M. Cohen

September 18 2020, 6:00 a.m.

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Harold Schaitberger, general president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, speaks during the IAFF Legislative Conference in Washington, D.C., on March 12, 2019. Photo: Al Drago/Bloomberg via Getty Images

In August 2016, Ed Kelly, a young rising star in the Massachusetts labor movement, won his bid to become General Secretary-Treasurer of the International Association of Fire Fighters, or IAFF: the union representing 320,000 firefighters and paramedics across the U.S and Canada. The position is the second most powerful in the union, behind the presidency, which has been held for the last two decades by 74-year-old Harold Schaitberger, a close ally of Joe Biden.

Soon after, Kelly tapped combat veteran Mathew Golsteyn to serve as his chief of operations. The low-key hire came at the recommendation of Kelly’s brother, Greg, who had overlapped in Afghanistan with Golsteyn. But Golsteyn was not just any Green Beret: He had earned a spate of shocking headlines just a year earlier for alleged war crimes, for which he was ultimately pardoned by President Donald Trump in November 2019. In the month following the pardon, Golsteyn joined Trump onstage at a secretive fundraiser for the Florida Republican Party, helping them net $3.5 million in donations.

In 2015, Golsteyn had been stripped of a Silver Star after disclosing in a CIA polygraph interview that he had shot and buried an unarmed Taliban fighter he thought was a bombmaker, and later dug up the remains and burned them in a pit. The revelations roiled the CIA, which quickly notified the Pentagon, sparking a two-year investigation in which the U.S Army concluded in 2013 that Golsteyn had knowingly violated the laws of war. While investigators did not find enough evidence to bring criminal charges, in an internal Army memo previously reported by The Intercept, Golsteyn was reprimanded for a “complete lack of judgement and responsibility” and told he had “discredited” himself and the U.S military.

But in October 2016, just a month after joining the firefighters union, Golsteyn was asked on Fox News if he killed the suspected bombmaker, to which he replied, “Yes.” This new public admission sparked army investigators to quickly reopen their investigation, and two years later charged Golsteyn with murder.

The new probe and criminal charges became a cause célèbre among conservatives, who rushed to Golsteyn’s defense. Golsteyn’s lawyer called the murder charge a case of “political correctness” and following an interview with Golsteyn’s wife in December 2018 on the president’s favorite news program “Fox & Friends,” Trump got involved.

Throughout all of this, Kelly offered unwavering support on social media for his chief of operations and helped fundraise for Golsteyn’s legal defense.

Meanwhile, ahead of what is often described as the most important presidential election in generations, a series of escalating disputes among IAFF leadership have increasingly spilled over into public view. Schaitberger, a key Biden ally, is locked in bitter in-fighting, grappling with leaks to right wing media, and confronting a federal investigation from a Justice Department that’s been unabashed in its willingness to use federal power for the president’s political gain. It comes as Biden is fighting Trump for votes among elderly and white working-class voters, where the firefighters union is a key validator, so much so that Trump has worked hard to undermine the value of the endorsement.

Things heated up earlier this year when Kelly accused Schaitberger of financial impropriety. Schaitberger has been blasted for lavish spending before, but the crux of the new allegations hinged on whether Schaitberger received pension benefits too early; prior to being elected IAFF president in 2000, he served as an IAFF union staffer for 24 years. The elected position and the staff position earn pension benefits from two separate funds, and Kelly charges that Schaitberger drew from his staff pension benefits too soon, in violation of federal law and union rules. The IAFF has pointed to legal counsel it received at the time of Schaitberger’s transition, and maintains they have done nothing wrong. Earlier this month federal authorities launched a criminal probe into the accusations, while the union’s executive board has launched an internal review.

So yeah, I'd say the new President is a Trumper. 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

The only two Democrats they haven’t endorsed in the last 40 years are Hillary and Kamala. 

Things that make you say, "Huh."

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Posted
1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

Don’t forget signing up for disability and welfare benefits which are both notoriously easy to get and generous. 
 

 

And free $10k Mastercard waiting for them as well. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

FL gets called pretty quickly on election night, regardless of outcome. So if we see a suburbs continue to shift left in places like Orlando and Tampa and Miami shift left, it bodes well for the rest of the night.

Of course, the longer they can’t call Florida (even if it’s eventually a Trump win, the better everyone should feel. He won FL by 3.3 and it was called at 11:30pm

FL always starts R and then we all sit and watch as Miami-Dade votes keep trickling in and it just doesn't quite make it turn blue.  Hoping this year is different, but expectations are low, because Florida.

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

FL always starts R and then we all sit and watch as Miami-Dade votes keep trickling in and it just doesn't quite make it turn blue.  Hoping this year is different, but expectations are low, because Florida.

I’m not expecting a win there. That would generally mean she decimated him and this is 2008 

But less than 3.3 would be good. Downballot implications, including FL-Sen and FL-13 (Anna Paulina Luna)

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23 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Ok, this is like the 4th or 5th screen grab lately with an absolutely insane shit scrolling across the bottom line.  Are these all jokes?  Or are they real life?  Because holy fuck if they are real.

Seriously?

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3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

and a more serious point by Wasserman:

 

I don’t have time to try to corroborate Wasserman’s data, but is he suggesting that 800k Floridians who were registered Dems have left Florida or otherwise not registered for this election?  That doesn’t pass the smell test.  

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Just now, LCHorn said:

I don’t have time to try to corroborate Wasserman’s data, but is he suggesting that 800k Floridians who were registered Dems have left Florida or otherwise not registered for this election?  That doesn’t pass the smell test.  

You only have to register once. These are new Florida voters.

Posted
3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

While you are correct, all of that happened this last time and he still won without even debating the field.

It's not the BMD's and the party.  It's the voters.  

THIS.  @atomheartbevo, it's this.  It doesn't matter what the BMDs, or the old-school Republicans want.  It matters 0.0%.

The GQP cannot win national elections without not just MAGA votes, but MOTIVATED MAGA votes.  If they all go back into their trailers and holes, the GQP is fucked.  No matter how much money they spend, no matter how much free ice cream and recess every day they promise, without MAGA, they're fucked.

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's really no better evidence that people are voting against their interest than major national unions failing to endorse Harris.

 

2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

They believe that they selflessly put the country first by voting Trump who will restore the republic to the greatness of unchallengable white man rule. He'll save us from the immigrants: these dangerous motherfuckers.

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The boy is smiling because he can't hardly wait to sell the ten pounds of fentanyl they have hiding in their asses so they can buy a nice four bedroom house in the 'burbs after they kill the current residents and eat their pets. 

And fucking this.  People will pass up a store full of stuff that helps them to grab the one janky-ass policy from the alley behind the store that HURTS someone else.  "The cruelty tells you it's working!"  It's the worst of human nature, and Trump, MAGA, and he entire GQP have tapped into it.  It is their lifeblood at this point.  Without promises to hurt other people for you, they have nothing.

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22 minutes ago, Red Five said:


It will be funny to watch Dotard scream again about how he supposedly won an election that he lost by 70 EVs and 7-8 million votes. Because of all the obvious fraud everywhere that no one can even identify, much less prove.

Yeah, hilarious. 
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2 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

You only have to register once. These are new Florida voters.

Google says Fl population is 22m.  You think 13.7m of them are new Florida voters?

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3 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

You only have to register once. These are new Florida voters.

The population of Florida is 23 million.  I don’t think these numbers can represent only new registrations, even if new means since the 2020 election. 

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

You only have to register once. These are new Florida voters.

Those can't be new registrations. That would be over half the population of the state. Those numbers don't make sense unless Florida simply removed 700k democratic voters from the rolls. 

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19 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I’m not expecting a win there. That would generally mean she decimated him and this is 2008 

But less than 3.3 would be good. Downballot implications, including FL-Sen and FL-13 (Anna Paulina Luna)

 

9 minutes ago, The Dog said:

and a more serious point by Wasserman:

 

Putting aside the registration stuff, with Florida, you want to watch how the Villages come in, then a bit later, how Miami Dade looks. Dems aren't winning Florida, but we knew in 2020 by 9 pm we were in for a long night and it wasn't going to be a Biden nationwide romp. Same thing this time: If Wasserman and Coked Up Kornacki (TM) are talking about the Dems outperforming, its going to be a good night.  If they are talking about Harris underperforming Biden, then everyone may need to freshen up their passports. 

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6 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I don’t have time to try to corroborate Wasserman’s data, but is he suggesting that 800k Floridians who were registered Dems have left Florida or otherwise not registered for this election?  That doesn’t pass the smell test.  

DeSantis putting in work to purge those voter rolls.

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First off, there’s no data to differentiate new registrations or switched registrations.

Secondly, it’s still about persuasion. Go back and look at the voting data for the Jax mayoral race. Looked like a GOP blowout but the Dem won. But persuasion has helped the Dems a lot the last few cycles 

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1 minute ago, royiv said:

DeSantis putting in work to purge those voter rolls.

That should be a huge fucking story of DeSantis just up and suddenly purged 700k democratic voters. Like riots in the streets huge. The full table shows the change was largely between 2022 and 2023. I think something else is going on here. 

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1 hour ago, DaysOff said:


CRAPers. I fly with one every trip. Conservative Republican Airline Pilots. Most are ex air force or navy and took an oath to defend the constitution while also supporting a Russian asset and traitor.

That baboon won't be running. Y'all act like he's not going to prison or house arrest for life.

I can’t imagine being locked in a cockpit with those guys for hours on end. Godspeed to you for getting your passengers to their destination safely without choking out your copilot.

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I'll paste the FL SOS data here:

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Voter Registration - By Party Affiliation

Webpage last updated: September 10, 2024.

Totals reflect the number of active registered voters in the State of Florida.

Data as of August 31, 2024.

Year Republican Party of Florida Florida Democratic Party Minor Parties No Party Affiliation Total
2024

5,385,554

4,359,354

390,220

3,544,576

13,679,704

2023 5,141,848 4,362,147 317,607 3,528,807 13,350,409
2022 5,312,122 4,928,168 263,790 4,032,731 14,536,811
2021 5,123,799 5,080,697 253,843 3,829,372 14,287,711
2020 5,218,739 5,315,954 231,246 3,799,799 14,565,738
2019 4,761,405 4,986,520 147,546 3,641,359 13,536,830
2018 4,718,720 4,975,895 113,489 3,588,518 13,396,622
2017 4,544,708 4,807,950 65,526 3,449,005 12,867,189

 

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28 minutes ago, Js1 said:

FL gets called pretty quickly on election night, regardless of outcome. So if we see a suburbs continue to shift left in places like Orlando and Tampa and Miami shift left, it bodes well for the rest of the night.

Of course, the longer they can’t call Florida (even if it’s eventually a Trump win, the better everyone should feel. He won FL by 3.3 and it was called at 11:30pm

The abortion referendum will say more about Florida than Trump. Agree that the later it gets before Florida gets called, the better everyone is going to feel. 

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48 minutes ago, tx ind said:

If we get NC and PA called early the shitposting coming from Truth Social will be epic

PA wil never be called early because they don’t start counting mail in ballots until after polls close. 

10 minutes ago, royiv said:

I can’t imagine being locked in a cockpit with those guys for hours on end. Godspeed to you for getting your passengers to their destination safely without choking out your copilot.

He can still choke out a co pilot and get the people safely to their destination. 

Also, someone is taking a poll seriously from a polling outfit called Trump University?

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

PA wil never be called early because they don’t start counting mail in ballots until after polls close. 

He can still choke out a co pilot and get the people safely to their destination. 

What is kamamala wins without even needing the mail ins. 

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Just now, immamac said:

What is kamamala wins without even needing the mail ins. 

That would defy literally every poll that has been taken to date. They’d all have to have been off by orders of magnitude for them to be able to call it early without the million plus mail in ballots. Even if the pollsters are all herding, that seems…pretty fucking unlikely. 
 

Like I’m about to fuck Sydney Sweeney unlikely. 

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

PA wil never be called early because they don’t start counting mail in ballots until after polls close. 

Reminder - polling shows the in-person/mail split in 2024 will be closer to 75/25 overall, like 2022, which had Fetterman called the winner a little after midnight CT.  It will not be like 2020, which dragged for quite a while. 

If it is a 2020-style close race, it could drag into Wednesday, but the volume of mail will not the same as 2020.  If Kamala wins by 3-5, it likely could be called on Election Night (or just past the day turning)

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Reminder - polling shows the in-person/mail split in 2024 will be closer to 75/25 overall, like 2022, which had Fetterman called the winner a little after midnight CT.  It will not be like 2020, which dragged for quite a while. 

If it is a 2020-style close race, it could drag into Wednesday, but the volume of mail will not the same as 2020.  If Kamala wins by 3-5, it likely could be called on Election Night (or just past the day turning)

I think turnout compared to fetterman in an off year will make a just after midnight call unlikely, even if everything else is similar. 
 

 

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4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That would defy literally every poll that has been taken to date. They’d all have to have been off by orders of magnitude for them to be able to call it early without the million plus mail in ballots. Even if the pollsters are all herding, that seems…pretty fucking unlikely. 
 

Like I’m about to fuck Sydney Sweeney unlikely. 

The pollsters have 0 idea what turnout will be. 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, immamac said:

The pollsters have 0 idea what turnout will be. 

I think they know it’s going to be big, like we do. Which also favors delays, polls staying open later, etc. which I think also delays the state being called. 

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2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I think turnout compared to fetterman in an off year will make a just after midnight call unlikely, even if everything else is similar. 
 

 

I'm just telling you - if 3/4ths of the voting will be in-person this year, compared to mail, the mail will count a lot fucking faster. 

It was 2.6m mail-in ballots returned in 2020 (out of 3m requested) - 40% of the total votes.  If 7m people vote again and only 1/4 of them vote by mail, there's only 1.75m mail-in ballots to count.  2022 was just under 1.2m mail ballots to count and they had a winner declared on Election Night

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15 hours ago, F250 said:

Trump controls the MAGA mob, he isn't going anywhere. The GOP will have to live with Trump.

It's like when that Sports Store owner handed over control to Tony in the Sopranos.

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It is a good ad though.

They should make one that is 60 seconds of Dotard saying the most ridiculous, hateful things, and end it with “Seriously America? wtf.”

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Posted
4 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Go fuck yourselves, Firefighters.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03/fire-fighters-union-declines-presidential-endorsement-00182372

Vice President Kamala Harris suffered a blow Thursday as the union representing more than 300,000 career firefighters and emergency responders declined to make a presidential endorsement, two weeks after the International Brotherhood of Teamsters made a similar decision.

Leaders of the International Association of Fire Fighters gathered this week and determined “by a margin of 1.2%” against picking a candidate, according to General President Edward Kelly.

Kamala got the Foo Fighters endorsement though, right?

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Barack Obama Point GIF by Obama

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-blitz-campaign-trail-harris-final-weeks-campaign/story?id=114491830&cid=social_twitter_abcn

Former President Barack Obama will hit the campaign trail for Vice President Harris and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz starting next Thursday, Oct. 10, through election day, according to a senior campaign official.

The first stop will be in Pennsylvania in the Pittsburgh area before Obama embarks on a campaign blitz across the battleground states in the final 27 days.

He's got quite the hole to dig himself out of in my eyes. After all, he got us into this mess. Elected While Black, then got all uppity and made fun of a thin-skinned, "rich", white man.

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1 hour ago, Underdog said:

And free $10k Mastercard waiting for them as well. 

I don't think that immigrants want Mastercards...

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