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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Nobody ever claimed the "left of center" voting block is homogeneous.  There are always outliers.  To imply that all liberals are scared of Muslims is fucking ridiculous, full stop.

His comment was “Muslims scare liberals.” A true statement, IMO. If, elsewhere he broadened that to all liberals, that would be an untrue statement.

There are more than outliers. Remember polling in the 60s that showed a rapid flip in the percentage of white folks who were wary of black families moving into their neighborhood? I know that polling has come up on this or predecessor boards. We know there’s a strong element of social pressure behind that polling. Suddenly admitting you’re a racist was uncouth.

I think we’re still in that moment on most things LGBTQ+. It’s unfortunate, but many people in their 40s and 50s who grew up using homosexual epithets didn’t expel their bigotry becuase of social pressure. Sure, you can back them down if they drop a slur or tell a terrible joke, but there are liberals not repulsed by Dan Patrick’s bathroom fascination.

Humanism moves ahead of the populace. Obergefell dropped and new battle lines were formed, seemingly the next day. That’s a good thing. We need to be pushed to treat more and more people as human. But for electoral politics, that tendency leaves left-leaning parties very vulnerable.

W/r/t Muslims, I will say I have more limited anecdotal data. But, every one of the guys I’m talking about did openly say quite inappropriate things about Tlaib and Omar. Like I said, I don’t view them as particularly good people. But a big tent needs shitheels, too. 

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1 minute ago, softlynow said:

His comment was “Muslims scare liberals.” A true statement, IMO. If, elsewhere he broadened that to all liberals, that would be an untrue statement.

There are more than outliers. Remember polling in the 60s that showed a rapid flip in the percentage of white folks who were wary of black families moving into their neighborhood? I know that polling has come up on this or predecessor boards. We know there’s a strong element of social pressure behind that polling. Suddenly admitting you’re a racist was uncouth.

I think we’re still in that moment on most things LGBTQ+. It’s unfortunate, but many people in their 40s and 50s who grew up using homosexual epithets didn’t expel their bigotry becuase of social pressure. Sure, you can back them down if they drop a slur or tell a terrible joke, but there are liberals not repulsed by Dan Patrick’s bathroom fascination.

Humanism moves ahead of the populace. Obergefell dropped and new battle lines were formed, seemingly the next day. That’s a good thing. We need to be pushed to treat more and more people as human. But for electoral politics, that tendency leaves left-leaning parties very vulnerable.

W/r/t Muslims, I will say I have more limited anecdotal data. But, every one of the guys I’m talking about did openly say quite inappropriate things about Tlaib and Omar. Like I said, I don’t view them as particularly good people. But a big tent needs shitheels, too. 

And what is needed to beat back this MAGA movement that will destroy America as we know it is a big fucking tent. Because Dotard's people are not going to just give this away in next years's mid-terms. They're in it to win it. Many of them have done or are doing things that deserve them being put against the wall when the merry-go-round stops but I'm sure non-MAGA will chicken out at the end and do what Charlie Wilson said about the US financing the Afghans' war with the Soviets: "... and then we fucked up the end game."

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It’s like a Pete rose autograph session.  But for our laws. 
 

also, now I’m wondering if I should be suspicious of my Egyptian neighbor since solve recently found out that all Muslims are fundamentalists. 

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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Having a bit of writer's block.  Trying to figure out how to fit in the phrase "extravagant, decadent, guilty pleasure . . . tempered with a nagging feeling of violation."

They say a picture is worth a thousand words.  On second thought . . . . 

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10 minutes ago, softlynow said:

His comment was “Muslims scare liberals.” A true statement, IMO. If, elsewhere he broadened that to all liberals, that would be an untrue statement.

That's where we differ -- I don't see that statement as anything but all-encompassing.  Broad brushes piss me off.  

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4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Hey you dipshits.  Take it to another thread.  JFC.

The muslim talk?

Or the flowery prose about anal violation?

Or the Daddario pics?

You gotta be specific about which thread derail you're bitching about around here.

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5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's where we differ -- I don't see that statement as anything but all-encompassing.  Broad brushes piss me off.  

That's fair. I didn't mean it that way. Let's leave it there and let this thread get back on track.

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32 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Having a bit of writer's block.  Trying to figure out how to fit in the phrase "extravagant, decadent, guilty pleasure . . . tempered with a nagging feeling of violation."

This is where ai really shows its value

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So maybe the stock market isn’t the whole economy after all and universal tariffs are a horribly stupid idea that’s weakening our dollar and fucking the job market + any manufacturing company 

Obviously the solution is more tax cuts for the rich, and more tariffs.
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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

So when I see card-carrying liberals describe someone like Mamdani as "dangerous", I hope you can understand why my hackles get raised, so to speak.

Haven't seen anything that would warrant that characterization.  He's swinging for the fences in terms of NYC affordability.  Sounds pretty smart to me.   

So, he's more antagonistic towards Israel than I am?  So are most people.  He comes across as the guy who was slightly more liberal than one when one was in undergrad.

 

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Maybe go take a writing course at some school other than Texas Tech.

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

By the way, those anecdotes included growing up around dozens of Muslims my family would host when they came to the US to attend the engineering school my dad taught at.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Do you have a point?

Yeah.  

It was funny when you made fun of his education, specifically his writing skills, then ended your very next sentence in a preposition like an uneducated rtard. 

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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

 

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While NY is a blue state, and the political spin off from the City’s mayoral election is unlikely to change that, the resulting purity tests are not a good thing for the rest of the country. Dems should want the votes of everyone, including from people who are scared of Muslims, as well as those who are sexually attracted to the lovely woman in the picture. 

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4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Yeah.  

It was funny when you made fun of his education, specifically his writing skills, then ended your very next sentence in a preposition like an uneducated rtard. 

I don’t think your sentence above makes you out to be the next Shakespeare.

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Just now, royiv said:

I don’t think your sentence above makes you out to be the next Shakespeare.

Agreed.   But, and this is important, grammatically correct. 

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Humans... who cannot do regular/ normal human stuff (like exist in public spaces).
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They hate us for our freedoms.

Or

Locks-downs, OMG!
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32 minutes ago, royiv said:

I don’t think your sentence above makes you out to be the next Shakespeare.

no, but he's got the monkey smashing keys schtick down

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1 hour ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

He's swinging for the fences in terms of NYC affordability

If by “swinging for the fences” you mean proposing to spend a lot on relatively few deeply affordable housing while tying up actual solutions to the housing shortage for years with the activist flypaper of comprehensive planning, you are right. 


 

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29 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

As I am nearing retirement age I cannot get behind a recession, let alone a depression.  Nope.

get back to work, old man! this regime needs your toil to pad their coffers. get to it!

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If by “swinging for the fences” you mean proposing to spend a lot on relatively few deeply affordable housing while tying up actual solutions to the housing shortage for years with the activist flypaper of comprehensive planning, you are right. 


 

Hey now, you forgot about opening up the floodgates of private development as long as there’s 20% inclusionary zoning, 100% union labor, rent control on all new development, thorough environmental review, thorough community review, just a little more community review…

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12 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

Black children being used as bait for gator hunting definitely wasn’t common in practice, and may not have even actually ever happened. But it was certainly a VERY popular and extraordinarily racist and dehumanizing trope. 
I like to believe that if Florida fans knew what the ‘gator bait’ chant referred to they wouldn’t use it, but I’m probably kidding myself. 

5 minutes ago, We’reTexas said:

Hey now, you forgot about opening up the floodgates of private development as long as there’s 20% inclusionary zoning, 100% union labor, rent control on all new development, thorough environmental review, thorough community review, just a little more community review…

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So as this bill appears ready to pass, I think it is widely understood that the biggest part of this is tax cuts for the rich. Has anyone even stopped to just ask WHY that is needed?  I don’t think they have, nor do I think there is a reason other than “because we can”  

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So as this bill appears ready to pass, I think it is widely understood that the biggest part of this is tax cuts for the rich. Has anyone even stopped to just ask WHY that is needed?  I don’t think they have, nor do I think there is a reason other than “because we can”  

Exactly. They don’t even bother with the trickle down voodoo shit anymore. It’s just “Fuck you, this is mine.”

You have to at least admire the honesty of the current generation of Republican class warriors. 

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5 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:


They’ll just blame the Dems, as always.

or the trans community or immigrants.

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54 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

As I am nearing retirement age I cannot get behind a recession, let alone a depression.  Nope.

I hear you man.  Hell, I’m 70 and don’t want Social Security and Medicare busted.   I have kids that I want to have a happy life.   I just don’t want a Trump dictator run America - with our huge military and nuclear arsenal that we have to become the country that North Korea hopes it could. 

To that end I would suffer absolutely anything to prevent that.   The thing is, I don’t think that any of us have any control or what’s going to happen.  I’m just saying I hope it is terrible, and that this results in a national mental reset.   My wanting it or you NOT wanting it is really not in play.  I have zero idea how to accomplish this reset without a tremendous amount of pain to the country.    

I have a naïve fantasy that we will vote the GOP out in the next congressional election and things swing back toward outrage at the things Trump does, but if Trump and the GOP haven’t turned off people by now, I’m not sure how much it will take to turn them off.  

I fear they never will - absent great harm to the country

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8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I say fill this fucking thread up with every picture of Dadarrio that exists.

True Detective, Season 1 alert!

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23 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So as this bill appears ready to pass, I think it is widely understood that the biggest part of this is tax cuts for the rich. Has anyone even stopped to just ask WHY that is needed?  I don’t think they have, nor do I think there is a reason other than “because we can”  

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

I am in the minority, but I think a terrible recession or depression is the only thing that will make many people realize that we are all in this together. You have a huge part of the country thinking that the only reason you are poor and down and out is because you are lazy and stupid. Our bubble of domestic prosperity supports this lie in many peoples minds.   When they lose their job and their homeless and hungry and their family breaks up,  those idiots then realize that bad things can happen that have nothing to do with your work ethic or education or devotion to God.    

I don’t think you can reach these people unless things go really really south.   When people are standing in the same bread line and hoping to get a new deal type job so they can feed their family -we may get a reset to a time when most of America realized we needed a living wage, healthcare, unions, and to unite against the monied class and the politicians supporting them who make it difficult for us to have a decent life.

This is where I am at.  It NEEDS to happen, unfortunately.  We have been on this path for decades...since at least Reagan.  Cultural wars, voodoo economics, and war on facts/logic/education.  There is no gentle landing option, we have tried that and it doesn't work.   We need a very very painful experience to hopefully snap a decent chunk of people out of this fever dream.  Alternative is complete societal collapse.  

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27 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So as this bill appears ready to pass, I think it is widely understood that the biggest part of this is tax cuts for the rich. Has anyone even stopped to just ask WHY that is needed?  I don’t think they have, nor do I think there is a reason other than “because we can”  

The answer isn't very hard. You give me millions to campaign and vote on legislation the way it helps you most, and I'll give you huge tax breaks. 

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14 hours ago, troph said:

I was wondering the same thing, maybe better and expanded social programs for all, expanded Medicare, education, labor unions, higher taxes to pay for it, etc, etc, but latent racism,  homophobia and transphobia. 

This but unironically. Part of why Democrats need to center their identity around middle and working class economic interests and not on social issues is because there are core elements of the base that can be quite homophobic, transphobic and racist. And this is at least as true among black and Hispanic democrats as it is for white union democrats. 
those groups are tolerant enough to vote together with LBGTQ+ and other minorities, but the co-belligerents can’t stick together without working and middle class economic interests to glue them together. 

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9 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

This is where I am at.  It NEEDS to happen, unfortunately.  We have been on this path for decades...since at least Reagan.  Cultural wars, voodoo economics, and war on facts/logic/education.  There is no gentle landing option, we have tried that and it doesn't work.   We need a very very painful experience to hopefully snap a decent chunk of people out of this fever dream.  Alternative is complete societal collapse.  

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Posted
11 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

This is the end of America

Naah.  It ended quite a while ago.  It's just still going through its death throes.  It will take a while for the violent convulsions to stop, but we were dead a while ago.

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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Naah.  It ended quite a while ago.  It's just still going through its death throes.  It will take a while for the violent convulsions to stop, but we were dead a while ago.

I fear those convulsions have not begun. We are just seeing twitching. 

 

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