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14 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

What position does he have? He doesn't have one, does he?

Just playing devil’s advocate here but perhaps Mattis considers the consequences of him speaking out on active troop morale and national security.  

For the record, I think Mattis should speak out and I’m very disappointed he hasn’t been more forthcoming but maybe he fears the risk of making the United States less safe by speaking out. 

Look at what has happened to everyone that has already spoken out.  Comey, McCabe, Amash.  They get vilified and ostracized with the quickness and nothing happens. 

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8 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

 

Everyone who was in that administration is complicit. They could have worked together to out the pure evil incompetence of trump and stop this before it got rolling but they didn't because deep down they're either profiting from it or cowards. 

I hate having to do this over and over but...why not both?  It's very obvious they're showing their cowardice and profiting from it.  Fuck all these sons of bitches.  

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58 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You support nazis who shoot up synagogues. 

The only Nazis out there today are the antifa scum like the ones in the video I posted. When do they start burning books?

Its amazing what fucking left wing circle jerk this section of the board has become. You all immediately gang up on anyone who dares post anything that doesn’t align with liberal orthodoxy. You’re no better than the animals in that video.

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1 hour ago, Asithappens said:

Mattis is retired, right? So I don't buy the "staying above the fray" stuff.

He needs to grow a backbone and do the right thing. Like in speaking out. 

But what am I missing? What position does he have? He doesn't have one, does he?

I think military officers remain commissioned even in retirement. Whether that's true or not, it's probably best not to have top generals leading the political fight against a president. Coups, juntas, that sort of thing aren't a good look for a republic.

The people who most need to rise are civilians in politics. One side is too loyal to evil and the other is too timid in the face of it.

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The only Nazis out there today are the antifa scum like the ones in the video I posted. When do they start burning books?
Its amazing what fucking left wing circle jerk this section of the board has become. You all immediately gang up on anyone who dares post anything that doesn’t align with liberal orthodoxy. You’re no better than the animals in that video.

Now you’re just trolling. You’re not even trying.
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8 minutes ago, Jim Tom Pinch said:

When do they start burning books?

Funny story about that...

Also, you do realize that antifa is short for "anti-facists", and the people they protest are neonazis? And one of said neonazis has killed during their hate rally?

But it's your opinion that antifa are the nazis? Every accusation a confession is more accurate than I thought lol

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

I think military officers remain commissioned even in retirement. Whether that's true or not, it's probably best not to have top generals leading the political fight against a president. Coups, juntas, that sort of thing aren't a good look for a republic.

The people who most need to rise are civilians in politics. One side is too loyal to evil and the other is too timid in the face of it.

a man’s got to have a code. 

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8 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Nah, ya know what, fuck Mattis.

We’ve been lied to about “the adults in the room” and their moderating effect on Trump.

They didn’t do anything to keep him in line. They just cleaned up after him when he threw his shit all over the place.

Then those few “adults in the room” tucked tail and abandoned ship.

At some point these old school “decorum and chain of command” is the most important thing have to say “ENOUGH!”.

All of Mattis’s years of service don’t mean shit to me if he continues to remain silent about the treason he was privy to.

At some point the greater good is more important than some outdated protocol.

Silent collaborators are just as much to blame and a uniform with a chest full of medals don’t absolve him.

Blah blah evil men triumphing blah blah good men remaining silent blah blah.

Agree, but literally no one has been able to limit or control President Trump, least of all himself.  He’s like a creep with a compulsive need to jerk off in public.  Gets arrested, loses job, house & family, spends rest of life in prison, doesn’t matter.  There he is, jerking off in the prison yard.

Except Trump’s compulsions are to self-aggrandize, lie, cheat, steal, extort, assault and destroy.  He’s a career white-collar criminal who can only be managed via the criminal justice system.  Even then he’d be running scams and gifts from prison.  The only thing that will stop him is death.

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6 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I think military officers remain commissioned even in retirement. Whether that's true or not, it's probably best not to have top generals leading the political fight against a president. Coups, juntas, that sort of thing aren't a good look for a republic.

The people who most need to rise are civilians in politics. One side is too loyal to evil and the other is too timid in the face of it.

I believe this to be an excellent point. I brought up Mattis a page or so ago, because when he stepped down as Defense Secretary it was due to conflict with the President's agenda in Syria. This *article in the Atlantic was what brought it to mind when @UpperWestside was discussing the situation. We, the people, need to speak up because people like Mattis are constrained by ties we do not have. Now, one could argue that Rex Tillerson has no such constraints, but I have not seen Tillerson do anything extraordinary in his career that doesn't benefit his bottom line. Tillerson may have decided that being a party to mob-linked criminal activity was a line he couldn't cross and exited the Administration, but speaking out against his fellow WASPies doesn't seem to be his m.o.

 

On a different note: DJ has a lunch date with Mikey P and then later this afternoon is meeting with the Stanley Cup Champions. Lots of time to tweet about that nice cold dish of karma headed his way.

 

 

*Article in the Atlantic here: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/10/james-mattis-trump/596665/

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1 hour ago, Goredho said:

Agree, but literally no one has been able to limit or control President Trump, least of all himself.  He’s like a creep with a compulsive need to jerk off in public.  Gets arrested, loses job, house & family, spends rest of life in prison, doesn’t matter.  There he is, jerking off in the prison yard.

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8 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I think military officers remain commissioned even in retirement. Whether that's true or not, it's probably best not to have top generals leading the political fight against a president. Coups, juntas, that sort of thing aren't a good look for a republic.

The people who most need to rise are civilians in politics. One side is too loyal to evil and the other is too timid in the face of it.

Ok, but in no way would Mattis be leading the fight. Playing a role, yeah, but he wouldn't be leading the political fight.

I just don't see a good argument why Mattis should stay silent.

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8 hours ago, Jim Tom Pinch said:

The only Nazis out there today are the antifa scum like the ones in the video I posted.

Ooh . . . we're getting close to "you know, the Nazis were socialists, it was right there in the name".

Come on Jim Tom, you can do it.  YOU CAN DO IT!

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8 hours ago, Jim Tom Pinch said:

The only Nazis out there today are the antifa scum like the ones in the video I posted. When do they start burning books?

Its amazing what fucking left wing circle jerk this section of the board has become. You all immediately gang up on anyone who dares post anything that doesn’t align with liberal orthodoxy. You’re no better than the animals in that video.

There's a place for dipshits like you, and it's maroon and white and just east of here.

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8 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Ok, but in no way would Mattis be leading the fight. Playing a role, yeah, but he wouldn't be leading the political fight.

I just don't see a good argument why Mattis should stay silent.

Eisenhower was active-duty, Supreme Allied Commander Europe until May of 1952.  He retired and started campaigning full-time the next month.   He won the Presidency 6 months later, and took office in January of 53.   

Mattis is under no obligation to stay silent.  

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6 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Didn't someone ask if DJ was ill after Pence had done a press conference with respect to the Turkey sanctions? It's almost 9:00 EST and not a tweet. Not like DJ to remain silent on low event days, especially with the investigation closing in on him.

The Rudy stuff, and Fiona Hilll/Bolton stuff probably have his aides/lawyers working overtime to hide his phone.  

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8 hours ago, Jim Tom Pinch said:

The only Nazis out there today are the antifa scum like the ones in the video I posted. When do they start burning books?

Its amazing what fucking left wing circle jerk this section of the board has become. You all immediately gang up on anyone who dares post anything that doesn’t align with liberal orthodoxy  supports or excuses immoral and criminal behavior by an entire political party by saying hey everyone does it!

 

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12 hours ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

I watched Mattis on Meet the Press on Sunday, you can read him pretty well. I respect him as a career Marine and choosing to stay above the fray, as a military officer should is the right decision, frustrating as it may be. 

 

All that said, his body language, what he answered and the way he answered questions that he couldn't comment on left no doubt that he believes the President is unfit to hold office. While we all would like for him to come out and say that, his position really does impede him from doing so.

 

Why? Isn't he retired? Is there some sort of oath he took to never criticize civilian leadership after retiring?

 

edit: I see some have already asked this. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution. If he feels like DOTARD is not following his oath to uphold the Constitution, he should be letting the public know, as is his duty.

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18 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Why? Isn't he retired? Is there some sort of oath he took to never criticize civilian leadership after retiring?

 

edit: I see some have already asked this. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution. If he feels like DOTARD is not following his oath to uphold the Constitution, he should be letting the public know, as is his duty.

I'm on record as wanting Mattis to speak out, he's old school and outlines a good reason as to why we don't want our current and former military officials diving into the political discussion. For the most part I think we would all agree that Mattis was a great appointment and because he holds such credibility we value his insight into what transpired behind the scenes when he was SecDef. Right now he's confident that the American people will be able to fulfill their duty when it comes to holding this president accountable at the voting booth in 2020. Maybe that will change in the coming weeks/months.

I've attached the interview he did on Sunday on Meet the Press. It's just over 19 minutes and worth a watch, he addresses the questions asked here a couple of times, but here's a good recap of his views from around the 16 minute mark. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

I'm on record as wanting Mattis to speak out, he's old school and outlines a good reason as to why we don't want our current and former military officials diving into the political discussion.

 

Except this isn't just "political discussion". 

It's speaking out against an affront, if not wholesale assault on our democracy. 

It's much more than political discussion. 

It's pussy shit like this that has allowed the orange dipshit to get away with all his crap. 

Stand up and be an American, for god's sake. 

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3 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Except this isn't just "political discussion". 

It's speaking out against an affront, if not wholesale assault on our democracy. 

It's much more than political discussion. 

It's pussy shit like this that has allowed the orange dipshit to get away with all his crap. 

Stand up and be an American, for god's sake. 

Did you watch the video? Watch from the beginning and if you are capable of reading between the lines you can see exactly how he feels about the situation, hell he resigned over it. That in itself speaks volumes.  We want Mattis to speak out against Trump, not for our validation, but for the hope that the last of the "Always Trumpers" will see the light. Mattis could go on national TV tonight and say that Trump molested collies while watching Ivanka jump on a trampoline and Don, Jr stood in the corner burning the Constitution and it would change one opinion of his base.

 

Don't get upset over Mattis not speaking out directly, read between the lines, add it to the mounting evidence that is piling up through the impeachment inquiry and appreciate that people in the government and military still work and live by a code.

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4 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Did you watch the video? Watch from the beginning and if you are capable of reading between the lines you can see exactly how he feels about the situation, hell he resigned over it. That in itself speaks volumes.  We want Mattis to speak out against Trump, not for our validation, but for the hope that the last of the "Always Trumpers" will see the light. Mattis could go on national TV tonight and say that Trump molested collies while watching Ivanka jump on a trampoline and Don, Jr stood in the corner burning the Constitution and it would change one opinion of his base.

 

Don't get upset over Mattis not speaking out directly, read between the lines, add it to the mounting evidence that is piling up through the impeachment inquiry and appreciate that people in the government and military still work and live by a code.

Most people in this country are too stupid to read between the lines.  

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18 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He’s pissed that he doesn’t know how to spin their testimony, and that this isn’t allowing his underlings to make sure their stories line up.   

That's exactly what it is.  He doesn't know which of his bullshit lies to throw on top of everything to confuse the rubes.

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4 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Did you watch the video? Watch from the beginning and if you are capable of reading between the lines you can see exactly how he feels about the situation, hell he resigned over it. That in itself speaks volumes.  We want Mattis to speak out against Trump, not for our validation, but for the hope that the last of the "Always Trumpers" will see the light. Mattis could go on national TV tonight and say that Trump molested collies while watching Ivanka jump on a trampoline and Don, Jr stood in the corner burning the Constitution and it would change one opinion of his base.

 

Don't get upset over Mattis not speaking out directly, read between the lines, add it to the mounting evidence that is piling up through the impeachment inquiry and appreciate that people in the government and military still work and live by a code.

I'm not talking about how he "feels". I'm talking about him taking a public stance here. Are you capable of reading that?

And "reading between the lines" is exactly the kind of pussy shit I referenced earlier that allows the orange dipshit to walk roughshod over America and the Constitution. 

I'll get upset over that if I want, and I want to.

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4 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

I'm not talking about how he "feels". I'm talking about him taking a public stance here. Are you capable of reading that?

And "reading between the lines" is exactly the kind of pussy shit I referenced earlier that allows the orange dipshit to walk roughshod over America and the Constitution. 

I'll get upset over that if I want, and I want to.

Here's his public stance, his resignation letter:

Dear Mr. President:
 
 
I have been privileged to serve as our country's 26th Secretary of Defense which has allowed me to serve alongside our men and women of the Department in defense of our citizens and our ideals.
I am proud of the progress that has been made over the past two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy: putting the Department on a more sound budgetary footing, improving readiness and lethality in our forces, and reforming the Department's business practices for greater performance. Our troops continue to provide the capabilities needed to prevail in conflict and sustain strong U.S. global influence.
One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof.
Similarly, I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model - gaining veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic, and security decisions - to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.
My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.
Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position. The end date for my tenure is February 28, 2019, a date that should allow sufficient time for a successor to be nominated and confirmed as well as to make sure the Department's interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events to include Congressional posture hearings and the NATO Defense Ministerial meeting in February. Further, that a full transition to a new Secretary of Defense occurs well in advance of the transition of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September in order to ensure stability Within the Department.
I pledge my full effort to a smooth transition that ensures the needs and interests of the 2.15 million Service Members and 732,079 DoD civilians receive undistracted attention of the Department at all times so that they can fulfill their critical, round-the-clock mission to protect the American people.
I very much appreciate this opportunity to serve the nation and our men and women in uniform.
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1 minute ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Here's his public stance, his resignation letter:

Dear Mr. President:
 
 
I have been privileged to serve as our country's 26th Secretary of Defense which has allowed me to serve alongside our men and women of the Department in defense of our citizens and our ideals.
I am proud of the progress that has been made over the past two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy: putting the Department on a more sound budgetary footing, improving readiness and lethality in our forces, and reforming the Department's business practices for greater performance. Our troops continue to provide the capabilities needed to prevail in conflict and sustain strong U.S. global influence.
One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof.
Similarly, I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model - gaining veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic, and security decisions - to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.
My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.
Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position. The end date for my tenure is February 28, 2019, a date that should allow sufficient time for a successor to be nominated and confirmed as well as to make sure the Department's interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events to include Congressional posture hearings and the NATO Defense Ministerial meeting in February. Further, that a full transition to a new Secretary of Defense occurs well in advance of the transition of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September in order to ensure stability Within the Department.
I pledge my full effort to a smooth transition that ensures the needs and interests of the 2.15 million Service Members and 732,079 DoD civilians receive undistracted attention of the Department at all times so that they can fulfill their critical, round-the-clock mission to protect the American people.
I very much appreciate this opportunity to serve the nation and our men and women in uniform.

So let him speak out on this.

And by that, I mean speak out against Trump.

THAT'S the public stance I'm (and have been) talking about.

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8 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

"Every politician lies.  Therefore it is simply unfair to count Trump's lies against him.  Trump not lying would be unilateral surrender to the libs."

Once one truly understands the simplicity of this perfectly inane argument, one understands why Trumpkins exist and band together in deplorable blobs of ugliness and stupidity. 

It's a binary world to them.

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27 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Did you watch the video? Watch from the beginning and if you are capable of reading between the lines you can see exactly how he feels about the situation, hell he resigned over it. That in itself speaks volumes.  We want Mattis to speak out against Trump, not for our validation, but for the hope that the last of the "Always Trumpers" will see the light. Mattis could go on national TV tonight and say that Trump molested collies while watching Ivanka jump on a trampoline and Don, Jr stood in the corner burning the Constitution and it would change one opinion of his base.

 

Don't get upset over Mattis not speaking out directly, read between the lines, add it to the mounting evidence that is piling up through the impeachment inquiry and appreciate that people in the government and military still work and live by a code.

The Trumpers will never, ever see the light.  We want Mattis to speak out, however, to encourage other people to speak out.  Look at all the people who decided to speak out after the whistle blower complaint was released.  

It's not about the Trumpers.  It's about the invertebrates in Congress who will have to defend trump's actions.  It's about the current military brass, who has been asked to act as trump's private militia to make him money/appease Putin.  It's about the people still working in the executive branch, be they rank and file who might be the next whistle blower or the D list of the GOP.

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