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Fitlump started a petition to stop the use of the new logo.  Blah, blah, blah, . . . too expensive . . . blah, blah, blah, . . . more important things to spend money on . . . blah, blah, blah . . . think of the children. 

Guess who voted with the unanimous council to authorize hiring the design firm?

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Cities spend stupid money on stupid crap - news at 11:00.   Probably 15 years ago, the City of Georgetown spent over $100k for the design of their new logo.  It's a cursive uppercase letter G.

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City of Round Rock built a nice sign on 1-35 south as you enter from Georgetown.  If you look closely you'll see mountains and pine trees.  You know what doesn't represent Round Rock in any way?  Mountains and pine trees.

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One thing is true across all levels of government, regardless of ideology or political affiliation - its easy to spend other people's money.

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8 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Cities spend stupid money on stupid crap - news at 11:00.   Probably 15 years ago, the City of Georgetown spent over $100k for the design of their new logo.  It's a cursive uppercase letter G.

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It does my Gen X heart proud to see a cursive G that's close to the version we spent countless hours on repetitive worksheets perfecting in 2nd grade only to never write a G like that in the real world.

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55 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Cities spend stupid money on stupid crap - news at 11:00.   Probably 15 years ago, the City of Georgetown spent over $100k for the design of their new logo.  It's a cursive uppercase letter G.

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Looks like my fishing line when I cast into the wind.

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49 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It does my Gen X heart proud to see a cursive G that's close to the version we spent countless hours on repetitive worksheets perfecting in 2nd grade only to never write a G like that in the real world.

Still have nightmares...

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15 hours ago, utee94 said:

Any time someone mentions Garza and gets a yeah but the police in response, is an example of downplaying how shitty Garza is.  You just did it, no need to search back any further.

I have literally never downplayed the shittiness of Garza and personally attempted to recruit* both primary and general election challengers

So… no. 

That said, it is a fact that Garza’s shittiness is directly provided as a justification both here, in real life, and sometimes officers themselves and their union for why the police product we get from APD is so mediocre. 

What part of Austin do you live in?

 

*as far as I can tell nobody good wants the job 🤷

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3 hours ago, Jerry Callo said:

Fitlump started a petition to stop the use of the new logo.  Blah, blah, blah, . . . too expensive . . . blah, blah, blah, . . . more important things to spend money on . . . blah, blah, blah . . . think of the children. 

Guess who voted with the unanimous council to authorize hiring the design firm?

Then she went on Twitter and seemed to blame some combination of a heavy workload and fear of being the sole vote against, which is not an excuse I have ever seen before from a council member for a vote they regret. 

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I have literally never downplayed the shittiness of Garza and personally attempted to recruit* both primary and general election challengers

So… no. 

That said, it is a fact that Garza’s shittiness is directly provided as a justification both here, in real life, and sometimes officers themselves and their union for why the police product we get from APD is so mediocre. 

What part of Austin do you live in?

 

*as far as I can tell nobody good wants the job 🤷

Well then good work indeed on attempting to find challengers.

I live in the part of Austin that is not Austin, just NW of the city limit.  I was born and raised in Austin, lived there the first 43 years of my life.  But of course, since my entire family lives in Austin and I spend a great deal of my time there, the status of both police enforcement, and prosecution, ultimately affect me.

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5 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Well then good work indeed on attempting to find challengers.

I live in the part of Austin that is not Austin, just NW of the city limit.  I was born and raised in Austin, lived there the first 43 years of my life.  But of course, since my entire family lives in Austin and I spend a great deal of my time there, the status of both police enforcement, and prosecution, ultimately affect me.

Sure they effect you, but (and I sincerely mean no offense here) what I’ve found is that APD’s most ardent defenders and Garza blames (and, to be clear,  that’s not you)  tend to live outside the city limits and don’t pay for the generally underwhelming service we are currently getting.
Furthermore, the majority of officers don’t live in the city and many of them never have.

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Sure they effect you, but (and I sincerely mean no offense here) what I’ve found is that APD’s most ardent defenders and Garza blames (and, to be clear,  that’s not you)  tend to live outside the city limits and don’t pay for the generally underwhelming service we are currently getting.
Furthermore, the majority of officers don’t live in the city and many of them never have.

That's fine, but you're bringing in outside stuff, onto this thread.

On this thread, there are a couple of guys who always seem to stan for APD and do the same kind of "Yeah but" deflecting onto Garza.  I get it, I know what you're saying, I've seen it.

But there are a lot more people on this thread, and on this message board in general, who Bernard the APD.  Which they absolutely deserve.  Like I said I was born and raised in Austin, I received both my undergrad and graduate degrees from UT.  I've been around shitty Austin police my entire life.  They deserve all the criticism they get.

I'm just not seeing a multitude of people defending the APD, on this thread. 

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13 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's true.  I turned onto the west mall just the other day from the drag (excuse me, "Guad") and almost stepped on a still-hot s'more.  That place is a hellhole.

I'm occasionally in the west campus area.  Honestly, if they could stay on top of the trash in the dumpsters behind apartment complexes, that would make a big difference.  

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3 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

It does my Gen X heart proud to see a cursive G that's close to the version we spent countless hours on repetitive worksheets perfecting in 2nd grade only to never write a G like that in the real world.

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15 minutes ago, texasdago said:

I'm occasionally in the west campus area.  Honestly, if they could stay on top of the trash in the dumpsters behind apartment complexes, that would make a big difference.  

It's super fucking dense now with all the condos.

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25 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

It's super fucking dense now with all the condos.

And they have nowhere near enough dumpsters to handle it all.  Both our younger kids rotated out of that area over the last couple of years, as the "condos" are essentially mid-century modern prisons and the flith between buildings is remarkable.

It's like parking.  They should have enough capacity to handle the trash.  They don't.

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39 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Furthermore, the majority of officers don’t live in the city and many of them never have.

This is a big cause of the disconnect.  Here's a 2016 Statesman editorial stating that 73% of the officers at the time lived outside Austin, and how that was a problem:

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2016/09/04/public-would-be-better-served-if-austin-police-officers-lived-in-city/10061173007/

We all have our biases.  Folks in hiring positions tend to hire people like them.  If everyone recruiting and hiring is living in far off suburbs, then new hires are likely to live in far off suburbs.

If police can drive into Austin four days a week, do their shift, and go home having never lived here, what incentive do they have to serve the local population well?  They are not bad people, they are just doing what they have to do to get a paycheck.  They are focused on their kids and their family and their community, and none of that is in Austin.

The police department should try to build homegrown officers.  They should be recruiting at LBJ, Akins, Navarro, Crockett, and all of the other schools within the city of Austin.  They should be providing a pathway for interested graduates to get relevant experience and return when they are ready to enter the academy.  And the city should provide financial incentives for officers to live within the city limits.

Even if the homegrown folks eventually moved to the burbs, we would have police officers with local relatives or a memory of growing up in Austin, and perhaps they may feel more connection to Austin and be more incented to try to improve the city rather than just police.

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My mother in law had her house broken into by two men, house trashed and her car stolen, neighbor basically assaulted trying to stop the car theft. Thank God they weren't home that night.  Ring doorbell has clear fucking video of both dudes. The neighbor called 911 after almost being run over (that's also on video). Guy stole my father in law's fucking cowboy hat (for some reason more insulting than the car, I can't explain why honestly) drove the car into another neighborhood and wrecked it because he was drunk off all the Still whiskey my in laws had and ran off. Those people in that neighborhood also called the cops. 
Police response? None until 11pm the next fucking night. They were apparently told to fuck right off by the father in law. 

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48 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

This is a big cause of the disconnect.  Here's a 2016 Statesman editorial stating that 73% of the officers at the time lived outside Austin, and how that was a problem:

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2016/09/04/public-would-be-better-served-if-austin-police-officers-lived-in-city/10061173007/

We all have our biases.  Folks in hiring positions tend to hire people like them.  If everyone recruiting and hiring is living in far off suburbs, then new hires are likely to live in far off suburbs.

If police can drive into Austin four days a week, do their shift, and go home having never lived here, what incentive do they have to serve the local population well?  They are not bad people, they are just doing what they have to do to get a paycheck.  They are focused on their kids and their family and their community, and none of that is in Austin.

The police department should try to build homegrown officers.  They should be recruiting at LBJ, Akins, Navarro, Crockett, and all of the other schools within the city of Austin.  They should be providing a pathway for interested graduates to get relevant experience and return when they are ready to enter the academy.  And the city should provide financial incentives for officers to live within the city limits.

Even if the homegrown folks eventually moved to the burbs, we would have police officers with local relatives or a memory of growing up in Austin, and perhaps they may feel more connection to Austin and be more incented to try to improve the city rather than just police.

Great post.  
Another part of the disconnect is that they have a very narrow and misleading understanding of the city based exclusively on what they hear from others where they live community and see policing, ie, they don’t get to understand the city the way a civilian does.
For example, a few years ago an officer talked to me about how different Mueller was from the “gangbangers north of 51st.” You know, the mean streets of Windsor Park. 

It also creates multiple other problems, like a feeling of being able to violate basic standards with impunity. 6th street is basically safe, or in any case is less dangerous than it was in the 90’s. But because of media and politics, people in places like Leander and Liberty Hill are absolutely convinced that 6th street is a dangerous, lawless wasteland. 

My daughter worked on Dirty 6th street when she was 15-17 at a coffee shop, usually early mornings to afternoon. She dealt with all sorts of craziness from homeless people, but never felt unsafe when she was working there, except when she was being hit on at 16 by a married officer while their colleague looked ashamed, but did nothing. She was even uncomfortable when he came back later trying to “escort her safely” to her car because of the “danger” and that he even had the gall to say “I wouldn’t let my daughter work down here.”

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2 hours ago, texasdago said:

I'm occasionally in the west campus area.  Honestly, if they could stay on top of the trash in the dumpsters behind apartment complexes, that would make a big difference.  

Basic services are not a top priority in Austin, TX, sir.

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