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14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Climbing rope is not made for shock loads. It’s as likely to snap as stretch under that condition.  And it can’t even stretch very much at the length required for this application. 

Climbing rope is designed and made to take shock loads.

Fuck trump.

 

 

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This is an entertaining read: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1667248343255220227.html?mibextid=Zxz2cZ&fbclid=IwAR2NlNYE3Sl6FBnBb_hB30lKq31eOdFHLY9e6YbvXbR4RXHUCSBAkCy9f-c

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I LITERALLY stopped working on my memo so I could read this indictment.

I am on page 24 and JESUS LUPITA NYONG'O CHRIST.

HOW this man still has the capacity to shock me after everything that's happened, i'll never know.

but I am sitting here *STUNNED*. 
I'll be honest--
b/c i really DO lean into naivete sometimes. it's difficult for me to assume the worst from ppl, even when they have done all of the worst things.

so this wholllllle time, i've been thinking, "wonder why he didn't give back those docs. he's probably lost them." 
and also, "this dingus just grabbed shit from the white house b/c he's too stupid to know he couldn't. he probably doesn't even realize what he has."

lol.

nooooooooooooooooooooope. noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope. 
this was a DELIBERATE and CONCERTED effort to remove the most sensitive docs the country has, and KEEP them.........and then SHOW THEM TO PPL AT HIS LEISURE WHILE *ACKNOWLEDGING* THAT HE WAS NEITHER SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM OR SHOW THEM.... 
he haphazardly stored the docs ANY DAMNED WHERE........INCLUDING.........IN A GODDAMNED BATHROOM SHOWER.......they were chucked to some random room in Mar a lago, and occasionally the boxes----because there were SOOOOOOOOO MANY--would tumble down...... 
and TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS.........DOCUMENTS HAVING TO DO WITH DEFENSE PLANS, MILITARY CAMPAIGNS, NUKES, YOU NAME IT.....DOCUMENTS *CLEARLY MARKED* "TOP SECRET" AND "SECRET" AND "CONFIDENTIAL" AND TWO OTHER DESIGNATIONS I'D NEVER EVEN HEARD OF BEFORE TODAY...BUT WHICH APPARENTLY 
MEAN SUPER DUPER DUPER DOUBLE PINKY SWEARSIES REALSIES SECRET......WOULD JUST............
SPILL OUT ONTO THE GD FLOOR........AND LIE THERE.........EXPOSED FOR ALL TO SEE.........JUST.....NAKED AND BARING ALL TO THE WORLD LIKE A NATIONAL SECURITY FULL MONTY. 
AND AS IF *THAT* WEREN'T ENOUGH.....the Archives asked this MF fifty-leven times to give all this stuff back. and 45 would be all, "I GAVE YOU EVERYTHING I GOT. DAMN. SHIT. THERE'S NOTHING HERE."

THEN HE WOULD HAVE HIS AIDES MOVE THE BOXES...... 
AND HE WOULD TRAVELLLLLLLLLLLLL WITHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE BOXESSSSSSSSSSSS.

and some member of his family....ivanka or melania or lara......ALSO knew he had the boxes......

but he would TRAVEL WITHHHHHHH THEM. BECAUSE THAT WAS--PRESUMABLY--the ONLY WAY TO MAKE SURE HE KEPT THEM. 
BUT WHAT'S WILDER STILL............IS THAT THIS MF HAD LAWYERS WHO WERE LIKE, "Fam. For serious. You need to turn in ANYTHING that you have that is a file and belongs to the US Government. DEAD. ASS." 
and 45 was all...TO THE LAWYERS.......TO THESE OFFICERS OF THE COURT...."couldn't y'all just tell them there's nothing here?" and "wouldn't it be better if we just.....kinda like.....burned all this shit...you know....if it were here....*hypothetically*." 
and one lawyer was all.......Image
then he was like, "you got this subpoena on may 11. i'm coming through on the first of the month to run through that WHOLE SHIT...and i'ma make SURE *NOTHING* that belongs to THESE UNITED ASS STATES is in that garish monstrosity you pretend is a house." 
SO 45 has his body man and his aides MOVE THE BOXES AGAIN. LIKE JUST..........SCORES OF BOXES........HE HAS THEM MOVE A GAZILLION BOXES AGAIN.......TO HIDE THEM FROM.......................HIS *LAWYERS*.   
AND THENNNNNNNNNNNNN....THE NIGHT BEFORE THE DAY HIS LAWYER IS SUPPOSED TO COME THROUGH......HE CALLED HIM.......AND WAS LIKE, "Aye, dawg. You still coming tomorrow? I was sitting here talking to the homies and like...we don't know why you're coming. Why are you coming?" 
and the lawyer was like, (*presumably deep sigh here*), "I ALREADY TOLD YOU. I'm coming through to move through the house and make sure i can tell them we complied with the subpoena. i'm gonna make sure you don't have anything you're not supposed to. Okay?" 
and 45 is like, "OHHHHHHHHH! Right. Cool. Coolcoolcoolcool....cool. Come on through, then. I'll see you tomorrow."

Then he hung up.

AND HAD HIS BODYMAN MOVE MORE BOXES. 
I have to keep reading. but what i really need you to know....is that whoever drafted this is giving us NEXT LEVEL #caliber dorian corey shade.

because SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT.....are excerpts from quotes that donald trump gave the press during campaigns and his presidency- 
boasting about how good he'd be at keeping this country's secrets safe...how we needed a return to discretion and how ppl who violated national security laws and breached the protections afforded our most sensitive docs needed to be punished with the 
full might of the law.

for real.

for real.

GASP. 
ch-

the lawyer went to mar a lago, and 45 and his aides were just sitting there, like, "oh yeah. this guy wants to make sure we've turned all the stuff in. somebody take him back to the room and make sure he's comfortable." 
the lawyer goes, looks around....and finds 38 things that were top secret.

and, honest to God....i think they left that stuff there deliberately so that it wouldn't look like they'd cleaned house. 
so the lawyer packages up what's left......goes back out, and 45 has the AUGODDAMNEDDACITY TO BE LIKE, "Wassup? How are we lookin'?"

HAND TO GOD, this man says, "Is it good? is it bad?"

AS THOUGH HE HADN'T DIRECTED EVERYONE TO CLEAN HOUSE. 
THEN when the lawyer shrugs and indicates that there's still some chester copperpot level shit in the box he's carrying, 45 MIMES taking out the secret stuff and disposing of it.....
MIMES.

WITH HIS WEE HANDS. 
the lawyer apparently ignores it, and is like, "okay. i'm gonna being in last lawyer and i'm gonna tell her that i went all the way through everything you said you had. then i'm gonna tell her that what i'm holding RIGHT NOW is the last of ANYthing that you have and 
aren't supposed to. SO IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS HOUSE, TELL ME NOW. CAUSE SHE'S COMING WITH AN OFFICIAL ASS PAPER THAT I AM TENDERING TO THE FEDS....AND WE DON'T LIE TO THE FEDS...SO IS THIS IT, DONALD?" 
and 45 is like, "on my mama."

so the lawyer brings the other lawyer in, and is like, "this is it. this is everything. so you can safely put your good name and your good Bar ID number on this super official sworn statement. b/c 45 said this is it and we've complied." 
let me just stop for a moment, right here and tell you that i would *literally* die first...

i would ****literally**** ****DIE**** before i relied on that man's representations.

i'd lie down in the center of my living room floor- 
cover myself up in a blanket-
rollllllllllllllllll from wall to wall, back and forth, until i was Dexter secure in the bedding-

and then will my body to cease breathing...

before i'd put MY NAME on some shit off the STRENGTH of Donald Gargamel John Trump's word. 
so the lawyers turned that weak ass certification in.......and told the NATIONAL ARCHIVES RECORDS ADMINISTRATION.........THE ENTITY CHARGED WITH THE TASK OF MAINTAINING OUR COLLECTIVE MEMORY AS A NATION.......

"that's all we got." 
AS IF THIS FEDERAL AGENCY.........WHOSE *CHIEF* RESPONSIBILITY IS *LITERALLY* TO *KEEP* THINGS......WOULDN'T KNOW.......THIS VERITABLE MOUNTAIN OF DOCUMENTS........WAS MISSING. 
the feds got that certification back and looked at that shit like   
then they subpoenaed video surveillance from Mar a Lago......

BECAUSE OF COURSE.

and what do they see?

the bodyman and the aides NOT ONLY MOVING BOXES........but MOVING BOXES ONTO A PLANE...
AND THEN THAT PLANE TAKING OFF......WITH TRUMP IN TOW.......FLYING AWAY FOR THE SUMMER 
b/c he wanted the boxes with him at his vacation house.Image
lol..........soooooooooooooooooooo the DOJ sent them boys in.......

and the windbreakers searched that stucco, Mediterranean-style abomination from top to bottom......

and found 100+ more protected docs. 
your.
boy.
is.
a.
CLOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. 
there's a breakdown of the stuff they found.

my.
word.

every time i see the words "concerning military capabilities of the united states," "concerning nuclear weaponry of the united states"-- i just....

WOW.

WOW.
WOW.
WOW. 
this is the bodyman.

if the past is indeed prologue, and we draw from my favorite episode in american history ever, brought to us courtesy of messrs. mitchell, haldeman, ehrlichman, colson, hunt, and liddy-

HE goes DIRECTLY to jail, and 45....well...doesn't.Image
I genuinely hope, that if, over the course of these twitter years, you have taken but ONE THING from EVERYTHING I've EVER told you...

It's to not lie to the Feds.

DO NOT LIE TO THE FEDS.

Just decline the interview and get indicted on whatever they've got. 
You can beg for grace later. There are literally mechanisms in place for ppl who come clean and are helpful to them down the line.

Just decline the interview.

But DO. NOT. LIE. 
This dude is the valedictorian of jackasses.Image
NOT THIS SUZANNE SUGARBAKER-STYLE CONFUSED DENIAL.Image
anyway, that's it.

in summation,

everything is awful. 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Horndog said:

Does anyone have insight into whether dotard and Nauta will be tried together or separately? Or is that something to be determined later? 

The Nardotard trial

has a ring to it 

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Native Horn said:

Doesn't really matter, but Secret Service is part of the Department of Homeland Security, and has been for about twenty years.

How did I get left off that memo? Get me an admin in here to scream at.

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Posted
33 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Another possible explanation for why Smith didn’t charge Trump for the more serious offenses has to do with the range of prison time the defendant could be subject to. A conviction for any of the 31 counts Trump faces under the Espionage Act for retention of national-defense information would already yield the maximum penalty available under the federal sentencing guidelines. That is regardless of whether additional counts for dissemination are included. In evaluating a proper sentence, the judge could still take into account the two alleged instances of dissemination—there is no need for the prosecutors to obtain separate convictions on those counts for that conduct to be considered in the sentencing.

 

I think that's it.  If he "disseminated" to a furriner, that would be a different deal and implicate another statute.  One that includes the death penalty.

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Just a thought and opinion, but the narrative continues to be that the Republican Party is now the Q party and run by Trump, but I don't think that's true.  Yes, in order to win, Trump did need the Q's and the crazies to win in 2016, and yes they did become more engaged and loud because of it, but ultimately that's not the bulk of the party.  Mind you I'm not excusing their behavior, nor am I excusing those that enabled them to meet their own political ends in the short term.  But to me, the truth is that the Republican Party is primarily now the baby boomer generation, combined with Christian fundamentalists, and the Q's.  
For the record, I know some here would identify with being in the baby boomer generation and perhaps take offense to that.  I'm painting in a broad stroke here, and of course these aren't universally true judgments.  
This is where there is good news.  The fact of the matter is, with each passing day there are less of the baby boomer generation alive, and that is only going to accelerate.  You only need to look at an actuary table and overlay it with the general population to see this, and it will continue to accelerate over the next 10 years.  In regards to the religious right, the fact of the matter is that Americans in general quite frankly are shunning organized religion, and educated people at an accelerated level.  As a lifelong atheist, I am very encouraged by this, particularly as the amount of Americans with at least some college continues to grow.  Lastly, the Q group are the types that get arrested and convicted of felonies, and their leadership is being ravaged by indictments.  
All this being said, the Republican Party currently has no real plan to attract new voters, they just rehash the same old bullshit to target these three groups.  Well, if these 3 groups are shrinking, that bodes well for the future.  
Rightly or wrongly, to me, the Trump era will always represent to me the last gasp of political power by the baby boomer generation.  A fitting end to the greediest generation in human history.  Quite frankly I look forward to a future without this group having much political clout.  I'm sure not everything will be perfect, and we will make bad choices as well, but I'm looking forward to that opportunity.  
So for all the people worried about the Q people, they have a point, but we now have an opportunity to win elections by just showing up and being involved.  These people will sulk back to their fucking shanties when do over and over again.  

Wrong.
A party as a whole is as crazy as the craziest faction of that party that it absolutely needs to have a shot at winning elections. This, it is now the GQP. They can’t win without the crazies, so they are now owned by the crazies.
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Posted (edited)
36 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Yeah, that's a bunch of shit he made up with that douchebag from Judicial Watch, Tom Fitton.

JW filed a civil case against NARA trying to get them to reclassify Clinton's interview tapes for a book as presidential, as opposed to personal, records.  The ultimate holding of the case was that the courts cannot force NARA to make some kind of decision or to change a decision they have made, as in, whether certain records are presidential or personal.

The case does not, in any way, "authorize" negotiation with NARA (although I'm sure there is some back and forth with some regularity).  Nor does it diminish NARA's power to classify records as presidential, or personal, as it were.

One sort of oddball thing.  The president is initially tasked with administering the PRA, meaning, during his presidency, it's him that makes the initial call as to whether documents are presidential or personal.  NARA can second-guess that at the end of the administration, but I don't think has any legal recourse under the statute to sue to compel production of presidential records.

Classified documents are NOT presidential records.

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1 hour ago, Horndog said:

Does anyone have insight into whether dotard and Nauta will be tried together or separately? Or is that something to be determined later? 

Either side (or any of the three, as it were) can move to sever the Nauta case from the Trump case. https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_14

It's a matter for the trial court's discretion, but usually requires some showing of prejudice to the party moving for severance.  I think a typical example of such prejudice is when one defendant's testimony is to be used against the other defendant.  There's a fear that gets confusing for the jury.

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24 minutes ago, Red Five said:

His public defense is basically the Colonel Jessup "You're god damn right I did" admission in court. It's really weird. Good luck, Dotard. 

I really want him to testify and have that moment.  Television gold.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think that's it.  If he "disseminated" to a furriner, that would be a different deal and implicate another statute.  One that includes the death penalty.

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Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I really want him to testify and have that moment.  Television gold.

It would be more in the form of a Benny Hill comedy, I think.  Col. Jessup avoided incriminating himself until the very last minute, under intense cross-examination.

Trump would just dribble self incrimination non-stop, perhaps culminating in an epic and explosive bout of verbal diarrhea.

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3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

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I wouldn't count on it.  It seems that Smith really beat the bushes to get anything and everything he could.  I don't think he's holding anything back and he certainly would have indicted it if he had it.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It would be more in the form of a Benny Hill comedy, I think.  Col. Jessup avoided incriminating himself until the very last minute, under intense cross-examination.

Trump would just dribble self incrimination non-stop, perhaps culminating in an epic and explosive bout of verbal diarrhea.

They can't put him on the stand, right? 

What possible defense is there for him? "He's a moron and legitimately thought he could keep these so come on don't be dicks."?

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I wouldn't count on it.  It seems that Smith really beat the bushes to get anything and everything he could.  I don't think he's holding anything back and he certainly would have indicted it if he had it.

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I wouldn't count on it.  It seems that Smith really beat the bushes to get anything and everything he could.  I don't think he's holding anything back and he certainly would have indicted it if he had it.

Probably but there is a non zero chance Trump self incriminates for more crimes along the way.

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

They can't put him on the stand, right? 

What possible defense is there for him? "He's a moron and legitimately thought he could keep these so come on don't be dicks."?

I'm not sure he has a "case in chief" to put on, much like the Carroll trial.  So the defense will likely rest after the conclusion of the government's case and tell the jury they didn't meet their burden of proof.  It's a time-honored tactic in criminal cases, a bit less so in civil.  It works best when the government doesn't have a strong case.  So, it won't work very well here.

One of the biggest risks is that trial lawyers tend to think that juries expect a case in chief, and failure to deliver one is risky.  In the criminal context, with the burden of proof, it's easier to argue to the jury that "the defendant doesn't have to prove anything at all."  That's technically true in a civil case, also, but because the burden is lower, it's considered pretty risky not to give the jury what it expects.

He would, of course, cross examine the government witnesses and try to damage their credibility.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Native Horn said:

Doesn't really matter, but Secret Service is part of the Department of Homeland Security, and has been for about twenty years.

Party of small government!

Posted
11 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I defer to your knowledge of Florida, but Biden beat Trump bigger in PB county than in Dade, double vs single digits.  Pinche Cubanos.

Of course, if rurals are the problem I suppose WPB has greater exposure to rurals.

 

11 hours ago, texastough said:

South Florida doesn't really have anything that we normally think of as "rural" because the interior is all everglades and unpopulated areas. It has a hodgepodge of coastal communities with varying income and demographic differences -- pockets of old farts, white trash, Cuban, etc.

I'm sitting in Palm Beach County right now. Yep, some hillbillies, but also, a metric shitton of New York Jews.  My MIL is the only non-jewish person in her bridge club.

11 hours ago, Pancho said:

If You Say So Shrug GIF

 

10 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Mayor of Miami seems to be a huge lying douche 

He's corrupt as fuck. He's still a working lawyer (if there is such a thing...I'm only familiar with lawyers that post on surly all day), specializing in Real Estate deals, and he's in a position to influence development approvals for his clients, and he lines his pocket from it. in 

8 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

She's actually appearing in this?

An arraignment is not a real high-tension proceeding, typically, except as pertains to pre-trial detention, but she's not nearly serious enough a law dog for this.

Holy fuck, he had a hot piece of ass show up at the justice dept. last week, and she specializes in homeowner's insurance claims. She's hot though.

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Cannon not gonna like Trump bragging about Judge C gonna fondle his balls.  I mean, she was gonna, but she does not want him to talk about it.  

Edit: Trump told not to talk to Nauta, so he talks about Nauta. 

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Posted
18 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

😂😂😂😂

 

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Pretty smooth dick move.

I didn't pack the boxes. Walt did. So I had nothing to do with what was taken, and I'm sure sure sure that Walt, who packed the boxes by himself without me around in the least, would never ever never pack secrets in the boxes that I never even saw until the illegal raid on my house. We love you Walt. We're sure as the only person responsible for the contents, storing, and obfuscation about those boxes, you're innocent!

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That’s fine. But when they were requested returned, why the stall and hiding?  That’s all him and he hasn’t worked out how to fade that yet. 
 

he should have gone with that and given all of the docs back. He’d be in the clear, but mad that the bad men took his binkie from him. And that’s why he couldn’t do it. 

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That’s fine. But when they were requested returned, why the stall and hiding?  That’s all him and he hasn’t worked out how to fade that yet. 

“Walt was the mastermind behind all that as well. I wanted to give them all back immediately, personally. He’ll deny it now of course but it’s true.”
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1 minute ago, Foosters said:

This site has a group of posters who love making fun of the gullible idiots on the right, while they feverishly post uncorroborated rumors, wild speculation, and straight up fake news bc it supports their viewpoint.

Get it together people.

Don't disagree with that, but Trump.....hoo boy.

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Posted
17 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

It's fake. 

 

Googling Trump Truth Social takes about 2 seconds and you don't even have to give the site clicks to see what he's said.


Draft #1 !

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1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I really want him to testify and have that moment.  Television gold.

Same, but there's now way Cannon is going to allow the trial to be televised. I can almost guarantee there will be no cameras or audio recording devices allowed in the courtroom.

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