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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

But, if we disbar or discipline or whatever all the lawyers that make shitty arguments, like "frivolous tort lawsuits," we're gonna have a problem.

Now there's some irony.  Maybe we should do that.

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Here, take this luxury jet (full of spyware), use it for government business (and to hide record of anything you want to hide)…

We are a failed and sold out nation. Grotesque.

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27 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Has he released his Mother’s Day greeting yet?

Mothers are women, right?  

I'm sure he'll get right on that.

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42 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But, if we disbar or discipline or whatever all the lawyers that make shitty arguments, like "frivolous tort lawsuits," we're gonna have a problem.

Are you saying lawyers are so stupid they’ll keep doing it even after it’s clear there would be such severe consequences, until there are no lawyers remaining?

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Not a racist rant…

That’s a fucking “I’m a dictator” type rant/threat. Which is 10x worse than a racist rant.

If “you/courts” don’t do what I say…we will unleash violence on you. My followers want this, I was voted in for this…I will unleash them on you.

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But yeah, also racist….

“YOURE NOT LETTING ME GET RID OF NON WHITES WITHOUT ACTUALLY CHECKING TO SEE IF THEY ARE HERE LEGALLY OR NOT”

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23 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Are you saying lawyers are so stupid they’ll keep doing it even after it’s clear there would be such severe consequences, until there are no lawyers remaining?

When it comes to regulating their bad actors, the legal progression has tried nothing and they're all out of ideas. 

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7 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Happy Mothers Day, even to the radical left lunatics!! 

...and all those nasty women who lied about me. Terrible women. They say I touched them, but they're all too ugly for me to care. They're ugly like nobody's ever seen before, and they're dangerous to our country. A lot of people tell me that I'm the politest person they've ever known. I don't know, but that's what they say. I must be pretty polite. I won the election in a landslide including all seven swing states.

So happy Mother's Day even to the lying nasty women and your ugly children and the loser you married. 

Ivanka, call me.

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Did the profession stop being in crisis during the Clinton and Obama administrations?

Was it in crisis when FDR was pulling his stunts?  Should the government lawyers defending Korematsu have been disbarred?

How about when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus without Congressional consent?  Should he have been disbarred?

There are two sides to every dispute.  One ends up being wrong most of the time.  Sometimes they're more wrong than other times. In some cases, they actually advocate an unconstitutional position. Gasp. Does that make them un-American?  Or does it depend on HOW unconstitutional it is?  Who's the arbitrator of that? 

How do you solve this alleged crisis?  Do you disbar every lawyer that advocates an unconstitutional position?  Or one that isn't actually supported by facts (short of actually lying to the tribunal)?

What if a lawyer brings a righteous civil rights case that's borderline frivolous in view of settled law, or requires development of facts in discovery and the fact don't develop?  Disbarred or disciplined if they lose?  Or is it the purity of the motivation that matters?

 

I can’t think of a better example of a profession in crisis than a licensed member of the Federal bar asking a salesman how to conduct fact finding. 

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32 minutes ago, texas08 said:

Not a racist rant…

That’s a fucking “I’m a dictator” type rant/threat. Which is 10x worse than a racist rant.

If “you/courts” don’t do what I say…we will unleash violence on you. My followers want this, I was voted in for this…I will unleash them on you.

 

the deportation of citizens will soon be a regular event. midnight round ups 

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@Brisketexan business opp ...

are you a us citizen and have been critical of trump ?

in fear of being part of a trump round up ?

we got you covered, get a micro chip that sends a beacon the second you leave us borders. loved one will be able to track you down !

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31 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

@Brisketexan business opp ...

are you a us citizen and have been critical of trump ?

in fear of being part of a trump round up ?

we got you covered, get a micro chip that sends a beacon the second you leave us borders. loved one will be able to track you down !

Slight tweak- get your scannable  “MAGA Chip” so that ICE and DHS can quickly scan and identify you as a loyal citizen if you are accidentally taken into custody.

In addition to the tracking chip, it would also include a voucher to have your unique Saving America for Trump And Nation number tattooed on your right hand for visual confirmation at checkpoints.

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44 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I can’t think of a better example of a profession in crisis than a licensed member of the Federal bar asking a salesman how to conduct fact finding. 

I raised factually analogous situations relating to your opinion that the legal profession is in crisis.  An opinion that I don't believe I share.  I didn't ask you to do fact-finding, I asked you about your opinion.

But I'm willing to entertain non-conclusory argument.

Problems with the legal profession/system:

  • Politically corrupt/incompetent judges (longstanding problem, possibly more acute today).
  • Delay in the system (also longstanding problem, no more acute today than the last 50 years or so, at least).
  • The "pay to play" nature of the system (longstanding, virtually inherent to any legal system),

One problem that I don't really see as a problem is parties arguing for popular or unpopular positions based on strained or "interstitial" constitutional arguments.  If you somehow quash those cases before they start, then you don't get Roe v. Wade, Brown v. Board of Education of Charlotte-Mecklenburg Counties,  Reed v. Reed, and countless others.

You seem also to tie the crisis to incompetent lawyers that are not disbarred or otherwise disciplined, sometimes equating "political" incompetence with plain ol' incompetence.  I'll accept for purposes of argument that the bar is perhaps not zealous or competent in disciplining incompetent lawyers.  But I think political incompetence is far too subjective to be a basis for discipline/disbarment.  And once you open that can of worms, like "wEApoNiZation," it's too easily turned on the good guys.

 

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19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You seem also to tie the crisis to incompetent lawyers that are not disbarred or otherwise disciplined, sometimes equating "political" incompetence with plain ol' incompetence.  I'll accept for purposes of argument that the bar is perhaps not zealous or competent in disciplining incompetent lawyers.  But I think political incompetence is far too subjective to be a basis for discipline/disbarment. 

Doctors think the same thing, which is why they support medmal caps. 

But I was talking about lawyers not vigorously disciplining members of their profession who choose to be a party to defrauding the court and choose to violate or fail  to uphold the law. 

It’s not an impossible task to enforce standards. It’s merely difficult. CPAs and other licensed and chartered professionals deal with these problems and police them aggressively. It is the “learned professions” of medicine and law that struggle with this.
Shady brokers pay heavy fines and often lose their livelihoods. Lawyers get gently chastened and keep working. 

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All this talk about the Biden Crime Family for 4 years and they'll all just be a-okay with Trump being "gifted" a jet for personal use after he's no longer in office. 

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2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

All this talk about the Biden Crime Family for 4 years and they'll all just be a-okay with Trump being "gifted" a jet for personal use after he's no longer in office. 

Every accusation is a confession, exhibit infinity squared.

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My president deserves to ride in high style. Joe Biden, the worst president ever, left the plane a mess. He disgraced Air Force One. Trump is only borrowing the Saudi jet for the image of America's return to greatness again. Trump is a billionaire business man, he doesn't need to take bribes. And he really gets us and hates the libs.

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Baseless “DEMOCRAT X IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!!” claims for four years.

Followed by ”Republican X can legally do that thing since y’all didn’t punish the Democrat for something we made up!!”

Repeat until I walk into the ocean one day.

 

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48 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Lawyers get gently chastened and keep working. 

Surely there's a distinction between lawyers and every other profession, but I'll be damned if I can put my finger on it.  It's a puzzler.

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On 5/6/2025 at 11:48 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

I’m a JFK Truther- with the LIRR from Jamaica going to Grand Central it’s <1 hour gate to midtown no matter the traffic and weather. 

I am quoting this to say I’ve gone JFK to Bryant Park probably three times and I will never use a cabbie again

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If I remember right it was 8 bucks to use the Airtrain and then only a couple bucks to use the subway and get the right connections. Way better than some cab that smells, is constantly arguing on the phone and rolls the windows down instead of A/C

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13 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

If I remember right it was 8 bucks to use the Airtrain and then only a couple bucks to use the subway and get the right connections. Way better than some cab that smells, is constantly arguing on the phone and rolls the windows down instead of A/C

Yep. And in a car you’re looking at 45-90 minutes depending on traffic. The LIRR through Jamaica is a game changer and  takes the risk out of the trip. It’s 45-60 mins from midtown to the airport, period. 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yep. And in a car you’re looking at 45-90 minutes depending on traffic. The LIRR through Jamaica is a game changer and  takes the risk out of the trip. It’s 45-60 mins from midtown to the airport, period. 

It's 45-60 mins from JFK to my house every time. Period. I usually have tons of bags.

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2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Slight tweak- get your scannable  “MAGA Chip” so that ICE and DHS can quickly scan and identify you as a loyal citizen if you are accidentally taken into custody.

In addition to the tracking chip, it would also include a voucher to have your unique Saving America for Trump And Nation number tattooed on your right hand for visual confirmation at checkpoints.

I was thinking the chip, or "mark" if you will, could be provided by a new government organization called the Bureau of European Ancestry Substantiation and Tracking

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Doctors think the same thing, which is why they support medmal caps. 

But I was talking about lawyers not vigorously disciplining members of their profession who choose to be a party to defrauding the court and choose to violate or fail  to uphold the law. 

It’s not an impossible task to enforce standards. It’s merely difficult. CPAs and other licensed and chartered professionals deal with these problems and police them aggressively. It is the “learned professions” of medicine and law that struggle with this.
Shady brokers pay heavy fines and often lose their livelihoods. Lawyers get gently chastened and keep working. 

If they actually defraud the court, there's usually a remedy, notwithstanding bad bar lawyering.  And those convicted of violating laws are routinely disbarred.

But then you resort to "upholding the law," whatever that means.

But anyway, you've been bitching about that for a decade or more, so that can't be the crisis in the profession.

 

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6 hours ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

When it comes to Trump they are repeatedly gargling the little button mushroom. So, no I don't think they'll stop him.

 

Fingers crossed the gift from Qatar doesn't have a remote kill switch to the engines. 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

If they actually defraud the court, there's usually a remedy

Is there? My premise is that when the richest and most powerful clients or most prestigious and powerful firms are involved, there isn’t, “usually.”

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

But then you resort to "upholding the law," whatever that means.

That you think that’s meaningless is an interesting (and revealing point), but would you say lawyers have an individual duty to uphold legal process?

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

But anyway, you've been bitching about that for a decade or more, so that can't be the crisis in the profession.

Can’t it? What’s the maximum time allowed for a crisis to unfold, counselor?
 

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3 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

If I remember right it was 8 bucks to use the Airtrain and then only a couple bucks to use the subway and get the right connections. Way better than some cab that smells, is constantly arguing on the phone and rolls the windows down instead of A/C

I always used to tell tourists to take the subway to the AirTrain to avoid paying for the overpriced cabs and Ubers if time wasn’t a factor for them. 

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6 minutes ago, Derka said:

realistically, what does this mean?

 

Nothing, absolutely nothing. It’s propaganda to keep the cult happy. TFG will be pocketing some money on this somehow, but Americans won’t see any benefit. It’s kinda how he has operated for his entire adult life. 

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2 minutes ago, Derka said:

realistically, what does this mean?

 

To you and me? It means absolutely nothing.

It's nothing but agonal breathing. Desperation. Mashing buttons hoping to course correct from this historic nosedive in approval.

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I should add @Derka that this is how a fascist regime works. You constantly feed your cult new and exciting ways you have improved their lives. You do it over and over and over. People outside the cult can see our lives are not improving monetarily or otherwise, but a cult member only hears or reads the words of their leader and believes them. This is the part where he is really revving up the cult while he is busy lining his own pockets with our money as well as companies, or countries in the case of Qatar, to stay on his good side.

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17 minutes ago, Derka said:

realistically, what does this mean?

 

My guess? He's going to ensure that pharmaceutical prices around the world are elevated so that a) American prices are the lowest (in spite of not changing), b) 'those people' will be deprived affordable medications, and c) his donors in the drug industry will continue to profit 

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20 minutes ago, Derka said:

realistically, what does this mean?

 

 

drug companies are about to buy him off to be left alone 

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20 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I always used to tell tourists to take the subway to the AirTrain to avoid paying for the overpriced cabs and Ubers if time wasn’t a factor for them. 

You a real one 

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