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19 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I chatted with my sister this week.  According to my sister, my brother and father watch the same videos we see, but they laugh and giggle at it.  Then they pray to Jesus at meal time.  

“And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did it to me.’”

They should be thankful that St. Peter isn’t going to be waiting for them when they get to the other side.

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Being good at most jobs requires little more than a strong work ethic along with the base intellect to learn to perform one or two tasks at a reasonably high level.  Plenty of successful people are still gullible.

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4 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

So it appears to be possible, and maybe even common, for people to be at least semi-smart in most areas and still be gullible, and therefore to fall for Trump without being a racist or a moron.  

If You Say So Wow GIF by Identity

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7 minutes ago, C-Man said:

American Pride Slips to New Low

Pride among Democrats tumbles, while independents also hit new low, more than offsetting increase among Republicans

https://news.gallup.com/poll/692150/american-pride-slips-new-low.aspx

Dem "proud to be an American" has plummeted since 2016, while Indies are more of a slow erosion, but they're getting to the same place.

The table showing party affiliation by age cohort is really telling.

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50 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Being good at most jobs requires little more than a strong work ethic along with the base intellect to learn to perform one or two tasks at a reasonably high level.  Plenty of successful people are still gullible.

I’m not sure about that. If you are - say - successful enough to be a millionaire business owner and entrepreneur, starting a my pillow business should make you immune to that sort of nonsense.

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2 hours ago, pacman said:

Exactly! And the poor kids don't need free lunch at school. They will be in the fields picking our food for pennies.

Why do we force kids to attend unfunded public schools where they are likely to get shot and they cannot bring their own firearms to defend themselves? Kids should have the option to work so they can make money for themselves and start investing.

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2 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Tolerance of racism makes you a complicit racist. 

I tend to agree, but I think some of them don't even understand that blatantly racist things are happening.  As insane as that sounds, someone who comes home and watches Fox News exclusively isn't seeing the same world that we're seeing.

I'm not trying to make excuses for these folks, mind you.  I just think it's an oversimplification to believe that all Trumpkins are stupid or racist.  Most of them are.  But not all.  Some are just gullible, and the difference between gullible and stupid might be subtle, but it's probably important.

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15 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I tend to agree, but I think some of them don't even understand that blatantly racist things are happening.  As insane as that sounds, someone who comes home and watches Fox News exclusively isn't seeing the same world that we're seeing.

I'm not trying to make excuses for these folks, mind you.  I just think it's an oversimplification to believe that all Trumpkins are stupid or racist.  Most of them are.  But not all.  Some are just gullible, and the difference between gullible and stupid might be subtle, but it's probably important.

Not trying to make excuses for these folks and then proceeds to make excuses for these folks.

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2 minutes ago, royiv said:

Not trying to make excuses for these folks and then proceeds to make excuses for these folks.

I didn’t read it as an excuse, more of an observation. It’s ridiculous, but if they don’t expose themselves to the real world, stupid and gullible may be more apt. 

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I didn’t read it as an excuse, more of an observation. It’s ridiculous, but if they don’t expose themselves to the real world, stupid and gullible may be more apt. 

That’s giving people way too much credit. We’re a decade in on this movement at this point. If you’re still on board, you’re a racist. Stupid and gullible, too? Sure, but let’s not allow people to make excuses for what their beliefs stand for.

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3 minutes ago, royiv said:

Not trying to make excuses for these folks and then proceeds to make excuses for these folks.

Look, I've said for years that anybody still in this guy's camp is either stupid or evil.

I'm coming to realize that *for some of them* it may be a little more nuanced than that.  I know these people well enough to know that they're not closet racists and they're not stupid.  So how did they get taken in anyway?  Seems like a question worth figuring out, that's all.

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Look, I've said for years that anybody still in this guy's camp is either stupid or evil.

I'm coming to realize that *for some of them* it may be a little more nuanced than that.  I know these people well enough to know that they're not closet racists and they're not stupid.  So how did they get taken in anyway?  Seems like a question worth figuring out, that's all.

Are these the "pocketbook" Republicans?

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Look, I've said for years that anybody still in this guy's camp is either stupid or evil.

I'm coming to realize that *for some of them* it may be a little more nuanced than that.  I know these people well enough to know that they're not closet racists and they're not stupid.  So how did they get taken in anyway?  Seems like a question worth figuring out, that's all.

This right here is the truth.  It’s easy to say they are all racists just like it’s easy to say all democrats are woke or whatever.  If we all take a step back we would see that the truth is in the gray areas of this.  The manipulation of the population of this country by the media (Fox News and social media like Facebook), and the way the algorithms work to make sure people just see their bubble of news has affected non racist, intelligent people in a way we may not be happy to admit happened.  I think the left gets this also but from maybe MSNBC or other media outlets that distort the world for them (not as bad as the right does but it is there).  Many of the people of this country have lost the ability for critical thinking and that is what makes them so gullible to these news sites/social media sites.  What is strange is many have the ability for critical thought in other aspects of their life, like their work, but lose it once they view the world outside through the lens of a Fox New broadcast.

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That’s giving people way too much credit. We’re a decade in on this movement at this point. If you’re still on board, you’re a racist. Stupid and gullible, too? Sure, but let’s not allow people to make excuses for what their beliefs stand for.


This is what does it for me. I point to Jan 6th as the biggest watershed moment. I mean, how could anybody vote for him after that? AND... there are hundreds of smaller moments that should have doomed the movement forever. It didn't happen, and it didn't happen because these people we want to see as decent and smart just are not. They are either gullible to the point of stupidity or apathetic to the point of being horrible.

Any attempt we make at trying to explain their choices is us just hoping that they could be good people because we care about them more than they care about us. Chances are they are going to let us down.
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1 minute ago, tchookem said:



 

 


This is what does it for me. I point to Jan 6th as the biggest watershed moment. I mean, how could anybody vote for him after that? AND... there are hundreds of smaller moments that should have doomed the movement forever. It didn't happen, and it didn't happen because these people we want to see as decent and smart just are not. They are either gullible to the point of stupidity or apathetic to the point of being horrible.

Any attempt we make at trying to explain their choices is us just hoping that they could be good people because we care about them more than they care about us. Chances are they are going to let us down.

 

that's why the focus needs to be those who didn't vote, not trying to change the minds of those who did. most of those people are beyond saving. focus on those who we can bring around.

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that's why the focus needs to be those who didn't vote, not trying to change the minds of those who did. most of those people are beyond saving. focus on those who we can bring around.
My son's friend voted for Trump... much to the heartbreak of his mother. When he told her she said she couldn't finish their conversation and hung up the phone crying. When they spoke again he gave some bullshit excuse about the economy, but the real reason was that he's 18 (so 14 when Jan 6th happened), plays college baseball so he's been surrounded by MAGA bros his whole life.

I like to think he still has a chance, but then again I just got through accusing other people of projecting. I hope my hope isn't wasted.
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4 minutes ago, softlynow said:

We focus on the racism bit, but young men (and some not so young) reacting to the attack on their god-given right to be superior to women is a major factor as well.

Equality is triggering, in all its forms.

This is where I think social media has fucked us the most. I can’t imagine growing up trying to socialize and date chicks with so much of that time spent online.  What a cesspool. 

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3 minutes ago, softlynow said:

We focus on the racism bit, but young men (and some not so young) reacting to the attack on their god-given right to be superior to women is a major factor as well.

Equality is triggering, in all its forms.

What I find interesting about this in particular is that it's not new. I'm nearly 40 and by the time I was in high school women were largely competitive with men in school and most jobs. The exception that held out the longest was at the executive level.  Me Too really scared the shit out of executives, particularly media executives, and they manufactured a backlash that has pushed us back 50+ years, all so they can grope women at the office. 

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1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

I tend to agree, but I think some of them don't even understand that blatantly racist things are happening.  As insane as that sounds, someone who comes home and watches Fox News exclusively isn't seeing the same world that we're seeing.

I'm not trying to make excuses for these folks, mind you.  I just think it's an oversimplification to believe that all Trumpkins are stupid or racist.  Most of them are.  But not all.  Some are just gullible, and the difference between gullible and stupid might be subtle, but it's probably important.

There is a distinction between stupid and gullible the first time you fall for something. After the eleventy millionth time, gullible has left the chat.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

What I find interesting about this in particular is that it's not new. I'm nearly 40 and by the time I was in high school women were largely competitive with men in school and most jobs. The exception that held out the longest was at the executive level.  Me Too really scared the shit out of executives, particularly media executives, and they manufactured a backlash that has pushed us back 50+ years, all so they can grope women at the office. 

Me too was a factor, I'm sure. But I think 2 other developments fueled the feminist backlash. First, young misogynists got their Rush Limbaugh figures in Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. Second, the ability of losers (what we used to call incels, and we really should insist on doing that again) to connect with each other in large groups and form a groupthink that led them to absurd conclusions.

Corporate America was always going to be brake on feminist advances, but they couldn't put it in reverse without the help of masses of meatheads and gamers, not to mention the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies and dickheads.

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10 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

It's almost cliche to say at this point, but it really is remarkable how the Republicans seem to be governing with no concern towards electoral ramifications.

Because they don’t plan on having them. 

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It's almost cliche to say at this point, but it really is remarkable how the Republicans seem to be governing with no concern towards electoral ramifications.
Ramifications? For today's GQP?

Repeat after Brisket: the cruelty is the point! They really believe that the policies will hurt everyone they don't like & somehow exclude themselves.

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3 hours ago, C-Man said:

American Pride Slips to New Low

Pride among Democrats tumbles, while independents also hit new low, more than offsetting increase among Republicans

https://news.gallup.com/poll/692150/american-pride-slips-new-low.aspx

I'm at the point where I actively cheer against all USA national teams in everything. Because if any of those athletes had any sense or pride in their country they would refuse to represent this piece of shit as constituted. 

If there's a way to have negative national pride I'm there. 

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6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Or they're intimately familiar with the history of midterm elections.

 

Then it would be the first time in our history that a political party just gave up on an election cycle in exchange for a once in a generation terrible piece of legislation.  The cuts to things in this bill will reverberate for decades. 
 

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26 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

It's almost cliche to say at this point, but it really is remarkable how the Republicans seem to be governing with no concern towards electoral ramifications.

Yeah, it's as if there aren't going to be any more elections.  

Nothing about this administration sounds like they have any intention of going anywhere in 3.5 years 

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23 minutes ago, softlynow said:

Me too was a factor, I'm sure. But I think 2 other developments fueled the feminist backlash. First, young misogynists got their Rush Limbaugh figures in Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. Second, the ability of losers (what we used to call incels, and we really should insist on doing that again) to connect with each other in large groups and form a groupthink that led them to absurd conclusions.

Corporate America was always going to be brake on feminist advances, but they couldn't put it in reverse without the help of masses of meatheads and gamers, not to mention the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wastoids, dweebies and dickheads.

I think that analysis is backward, though. When it was mostly meathead and/or incel shit it wasn't serious. It was the buy in and promotion from the mainstream media that gave the backlash legitimacy in the eyes of much of the public.

There's a reason that conservative activists are always trying to get the New York Times to cover issues, and not just to cover them but to frame their coverage in a particular way. Steve Bannon, Chris Rufo, etc. understand the legitimizing impact that has for their propaganda well beyond the number of people who actually read the Times.  For this, the elite media circles didn't even need to be pushed, they sprinted to endorse the backlash.  

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4 hours ago, bolverk said:

Dem "proud to be an American" has plummeted since 2016, while Indies are more of a slow erosion, but they're getting to the same place.

The table showing party affiliation by age cohort is really telling.

 

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53 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

Then it would be the first time in our history that a political party just gave up on an election cycle in exchange for a once in a generation terrible piece of legislation.  The cuts to things in this bill will reverberate for decades. 
 

If this bill can undo prior legislation then there is no reason a future bill couldn’t undo this one.

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2 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

If this bill can undo prior legislation then there is no reason a future bill couldn’t undo this one.

True enough. One thing that has ground my gears about Congress for the last couple of decades is a seeming refusal to revisit, repeal, and revise legislation. Except trying to repeal Obamacare of course. 

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