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4 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They’ve gotten dozens of “life threatening flood” warnings?  Over how long a period of time?

Do they just ignore them?  Have they always just ignored them?

You would think that they'd take that as some sort of sign, particularly being religious adjacent and so forth.

Something something "But I sent you two boats and a helicopter" something...

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2 hours ago, NWBuck said:

You would think that they'd take that as some sort of sign, particularly being religious adjacent and so forth.

Something something "But I sent you two boats and a helicopter" something...

Jerry Clower, my favorite comedian of all time (along with Richard Pryor and Norm MacDonald) did the best version of that bit, and I think it was because as a devout Christian he took Christ’s gospel more seriously than his own blind spots and social pressure and talked about Godliness even in jest he did it like a preacher.
So when he did that bit he was very clearly castigating the ignorance and shortsightedness of a large part of own audience. And they knew it, and he knew they knew it. 

by the way, you can develop a fair impression of Jerry Clower by mastering the following phrases:

”Newgene Ledbetter”

”Marcel”

“Liberty, Mississippi”

”projected, and predicted”

”AAAAGH, this things killin’ me!”

”Super-dyna-whoppin’, mo-jo-doola, whim-diddley hotel”

 

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26 minutes ago, texasdago said:

In related news, here's the situation in Norman, Oklahoma and their funding for a flood warning system:

https://kfor.com/news/local/norman-loses-flood-warning-system-funding-after-trump-administration-cancels-fema-grant-program/

 

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A spokesperson for the City of Norman told News 4 Monday that the “search to identify other funds for an automated flood warning system will continue, just as OU continues to suck.”

 

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14 hours ago, Gap03 said:

While I am sympathetic to the argument that there should be more classes of warnings to distinguish between "there could be serious flooding" and "OMG GTFO away from all rivers right now!!", when you choose to lodge over a hundred 7-10-year-old girls on a flood plain, you just need to shut the fuck up.  Once you're in that position, you need to be rousting all of those girls and getting them to higher ground EVERY FUCKING TIME you get a flood warning.    

And you should probably practice the evacuation plan like a fire drill within the first few days after the campers arrive. 

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

And you should probably practice the evacuation plan like a fire drill within the first few days after the campers arrive. 

You can't hardly get a drink on a cruise ship after boarding until you've gone over the life preserver + lifeboat drill.  It seems pretty obvious to most of us, but sure, let's pretend there is no threat.

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I heard on NPR a discussion of disaster prevention efforts and funding with someone from a "right-leaning" group.

There was agreement that it was "expensive" and funding was hard to find.  NPR said that several times, that Kerr County couldn't find the funding.  I put expensive in quotes because I think one of the numbers was 970k and that's not objectively expensive for a government project.

This was a "national" show, so maybe they're not that plugged in.

But I think it's been established that Kerr County had the funding on two separate occasions, but declined to use it because of librul derangement syndrome.

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While I am sympathetic to the argument that there should be more classes of warnings to distinguish between "there could be serious flooding" and "OMG GTFO away from all rivers right now!!", when you choose to lodge over a hundred 7-10-year-old girls on a flood plain, you just need to shut the fuck up.  Once you're in that position, you need to be rousting all of those girls and getting them to higher ground EVERY FUCKING TIME you get a flood warning.    

This is where I’m at. Everyone knew this river was dangerous. There are past quotes from the people who ran Camp Mystic as well as from local authorities. There have been quotes from government officials in press conferences since the flood, telling us all how dangerous the river valley can be. I think they are trying to say it in a “Mother Nature is a bitch” kind of way, but it also highlights how much everyone universally agreed that it was dangerous and flooding was a serious threat.

Despite all of that, Camp Mystic chose to let 650+ young girls sleep in a floodway, with no apparent plan to protect them if a flood occurred during the night. The weather forecast called for a high likelihood of flash flooding. They had one night security guard who was incapable of monitoring a river and providing timely warning. They should’ve had multiple hands on deck with eyes on the river at all times, or if that was too difficult to do, then simply let the 1:14 AM NWS flood warning be the GTFO signal. It would be different if this was a place that had never flooded before or if the NWS had failed to predict flooding, but neither of those are true. They knew and they ignored it.

People say they get flash flooding warnings all the time. That may certainly be true, but when you are responsible for the lives of 650+ young girls, you have to treat every single one as a potential safety risk. They failed to do that.
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But I think it's been established that Kerr County had the funding on two separate occasions, but declined to use it because of librul derangement syndrome.


People here have linked meeting minutes from a couple of separate meetings in which they seemed to reject funds that came from Obama or Biden. The quotes were pretty damning.

I listened to The Daily (NYT) podcast episode on this yesterday and it was a little less clear about it. You can listen here, starting at the 19:30 mark:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000717346070

They said that Kerr County officials tried on multiple occasions to get funding and were denied.
1. Kerr County approached TDEM in 2017 and told the proposal did meet federal grant requirements.
2. They tried again in 2018 and the state declined again.
3. In 2024, the Upper Guadalupe River Authority went to the Texas Water Development Board, which only offered a tiny grant that wasn’t big enough.

For whatever reason, The Daily makes no mention of the funding that was supposedly offered and Kerr County declined because it came from Biden. They are normally pretty thorough with their journalism and that seems easy enough info to uncover, so I was confused why it wasn’t discussed.

I found this other article from The Texas Tribune that goes into it:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/

It says that Kerr County was given a $10.2 million grant from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) in 2021. That is apparently the “Biden money” they wanted to send back, but ultimately kept it and opted to spend it on things other than flood warning systems. They spent $7MM on public safety radios for the sheriff and fire departments, $1MM on bonuses for the sheriff’s employees, and other undisclosed stuff.

Perhaps it wasn’t mentioned by The Daily because the ARPA funds were specifically provided for flood warning systems. Although they could’ve used it for that and chose not to, and you have to wonder about those $1MM in bonuses when the flood warning system also costs $1MM.
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2 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

 


People here have linked meeting minutes from a couple of separate meetings in which they seemed to reject funds that came from Obama or Biden. The quotes were pretty damning.

I listened to The Daily (NYT) podcast episode on this yesterday and it was a little less clear about it. You can listen here, starting at the 19:30 mark:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000717346070

They said that Kerr County officials tried on multiple occasions to get funding and were denied.
1. Kerr County approached TDEM in 2017 and told the proposal did meet federal grant requirements.
2. They tried again in 2018 and the state declined again.
3. In 2024, the Upper Guadalupe River Authority went to the Texas Water Development Board, which only offered a tiny grant that wasn’t big enough.

For whatever reason, The Daily makes no mention of the funding that was supposedly offered and Kerr County declined because it came from Biden. They are normally pretty thorough with their journalism and that seems easy enough info to uncover, so I was confused why it wasn’t discussed.

I found this other article from The Texas Tribune that goes into it:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/

It says that Kerr County was given a $10.2 million grant from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) in 2021. That is apparently the “Biden money” they wanted to send back, but ultimately kept it and opted to spend it on things other than flood warning systems. They spent $7MM on public safety radios for the sheriff and fire departments, $1MM on bonuses for the sheriff’s employees, and other undisclosed stuff.

Perhaps it wasn’t mentioned by The Daily because the ARPA funds were specifically provided for flood warning systems. Although they could’ve used it for that and chose not to, and you have to wonder about those $1MM in bonuses when the flood warning system also costs $1MM.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

You can't hardly get a drink on a cruise ship after boarding until you've gone over the life preserver + lifeboat drill. without getting norovirus. It seems pretty obvious to most of us, but sure, let's pretend there is no threat.

Fify

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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:

People say they get flash flooding warnings all the time. That may certainly be true, but when you are responsible for the lives of 650+ young girls, you have to treat every single one as a potential safety risk. They failed to do that.

This is precisely why the spokesman for the camp can whine all he wants about constantly getting alerts and this was the '100 year flood' that no one was prepared for (ehhh, except the people at Camp Mo) and all it is irrelevant. 

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