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4 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They’ve gotten dozens of “life threatening flood” warnings?  Over how long a period of time?

Do they just ignore them?  Have they always just ignored them?

You would think that they'd take that as some sort of sign, particularly being religious adjacent and so forth.

Something something "But I sent you two boats and a helicopter" something...

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2 hours ago, NWBuck said:

You would think that they'd take that as some sort of sign, particularly being religious adjacent and so forth.

Something something "But I sent you two boats and a helicopter" something...

Jerry Clower, my favorite comedian of all time (along with Richard Pryor and Norm MacDonald) did the best version of that bit, and I think it was because as a devout Christian he took Christ’s gospel more seriously than his own blind spots and social pressure and talked about Godliness even in jest he did it like a preacher.
So when he did that bit he was very clearly castigating the ignorance and shortsightedness of a large part of own audience. And they knew it, and he knew they knew it. 

by the way, you can develop a fair impression of Jerry Clower by mastering the following phrases:

”Newgene Ledbetter”

”Marcel”

“Liberty, Mississippi”

”projected, and predicted”

”AAAAGH, this things killin’ me!”

”Super-dyna-whoppin’, mo-jo-doola, whim-diddley hotel”

 

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26 minutes ago, texasdago said:

In related news, here's the situation in Norman, Oklahoma and their funding for a flood warning system:

https://kfor.com/news/local/norman-loses-flood-warning-system-funding-after-trump-administration-cancels-fema-grant-program/

 

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A spokesperson for the City of Norman told News 4 Monday that the “search to identify other funds for an automated flood warning system will continue, just as OU continues to suck.”

 

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14 hours ago, Gap03 said:

While I am sympathetic to the argument that there should be more classes of warnings to distinguish between "there could be serious flooding" and "OMG GTFO away from all rivers right now!!", when you choose to lodge over a hundred 7-10-year-old girls on a flood plain, you just need to shut the fuck up.  Once you're in that position, you need to be rousting all of those girls and getting them to higher ground EVERY FUCKING TIME you get a flood warning.    

And you should probably practice the evacuation plan like a fire drill within the first few days after the campers arrive. 

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

And you should probably practice the evacuation plan like a fire drill within the first few days after the campers arrive. 

You can't hardly get a drink on a cruise ship after boarding until you've gone over the life preserver + lifeboat drill.  It seems pretty obvious to most of us, but sure, let's pretend there is no threat.

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But I think it's been established that Kerr County had the funding on two separate occasions, but declined to use it because of librul derangement syndrome.


People here have linked meeting minutes from a couple of separate meetings in which they seemed to reject funds that came from Obama or Biden. The quotes were pretty damning.

I listened to The Daily (NYT) podcast episode on this yesterday and it was a little less clear about it. You can listen here, starting at the 19:30 mark:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000717346070

They said that Kerr County officials tried on multiple occasions to get funding and were denied.
1. Kerr County approached TDEM in 2017 and told the proposal did meet federal grant requirements.
2. They tried again in 2018 and the state declined again.
3. In 2024, the Upper Guadalupe River Authority went to the Texas Water Development Board, which only offered a tiny grant that wasn’t big enough.

For whatever reason, The Daily makes no mention of the funding that was supposedly offered and Kerr County declined because it came from Biden. They are normally pretty thorough with their journalism and that seems easy enough info to uncover, so I was confused why it wasn’t discussed.

I found this other article from The Texas Tribune that goes into it:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/

It says that Kerr County was given a $10.2 million grant from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) in 2021. That is apparently the “Biden money” they wanted to send back, but ultimately kept it and opted to spend it on things other than flood warning systems. They spent $7MM on public safety radios for the sheriff and fire departments, $1MM on bonuses for the sheriff’s employees, and other undisclosed stuff.

Perhaps it wasn’t mentioned by The Daily because the ARPA funds were specifically provided for flood warning systems. Although they could’ve used it for that and chose not to, and you have to wonder about those $1MM in bonuses when the flood warning system also costs $1MM.
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2 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

 


People here have linked meeting minutes from a couple of separate meetings in which they seemed to reject funds that came from Obama or Biden. The quotes were pretty damning.

I listened to The Daily (NYT) podcast episode on this yesterday and it was a little less clear about it. You can listen here, starting at the 19:30 mark:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000717346070

They said that Kerr County officials tried on multiple occasions to get funding and were denied.
1. Kerr County approached TDEM in 2017 and told the proposal did meet federal grant requirements.
2. They tried again in 2018 and the state declined again.
3. In 2024, the Upper Guadalupe River Authority went to the Texas Water Development Board, which only offered a tiny grant that wasn’t big enough.

For whatever reason, The Daily makes no mention of the funding that was supposedly offered and Kerr County declined because it came from Biden. They are normally pretty thorough with their journalism and that seems easy enough info to uncover, so I was confused why it wasn’t discussed.

I found this other article from The Texas Tribune that goes into it:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/

It says that Kerr County was given a $10.2 million grant from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) in 2021. That is apparently the “Biden money” they wanted to send back, but ultimately kept it and opted to spend it on things other than flood warning systems. They spent $7MM on public safety radios for the sheriff and fire departments, $1MM on bonuses for the sheriff’s employees, and other undisclosed stuff.

Perhaps it wasn’t mentioned by The Daily because the ARPA funds were specifically provided for flood warning systems. Although they could’ve used it for that and chose not to, and you have to wonder about those $1MM in bonuses when the flood warning system also costs $1MM.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

You can't hardly get a drink on a cruise ship after boarding until you've gone over the life preserver + lifeboat drill. without getting norovirus. It seems pretty obvious to most of us, but sure, let's pretend there is no threat.

Fify

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1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:

People say they get flash flooding warnings all the time. That may certainly be true, but when you are responsible for the lives of 650+ young girls, you have to treat every single one as a potential safety risk. They failed to do that.

This is precisely why the spokesman for the camp can whine all he wants about constantly getting alerts and this was the '100 year flood' that no one was prepared for (ehhh, except the people at Camp Mo) and all it is irrelevant. 

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People here have linked meeting minutes from a couple of separate meetings in which they seemed to reject funds that came from Obama or Biden. The quotes were pretty damning.

I listened to The Daily (NYT) podcast episode on this yesterday and it was a little less clear about it. You can listen here, starting at the 19:30 mark:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000717346070

They said that Kerr County officials tried on multiple occasions to get funding and were denied.
1. Kerr County approached TDEM in 2017 and told the proposal did meet federal grant requirements.
2. They tried again in 2018 and the state declined again.
3. In 2024, the Upper Guadalupe River Authority went to the Texas Water Development Board, which only offered a tiny grant that wasn’t big enough.

For whatever reason, The Daily makes no mention of the funding that was supposedly offered and Kerr County declined because it came from Biden. They are normally pretty thorough with their journalism and that seems easy enough info to uncover, so I was confused why it wasn’t discussed.

I found this other article from The Texas Tribune that goes into it:
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/

It says that Kerr County was given a $10.2 million grant from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) in 2021. That is apparently the “Biden money” they wanted to send back, but ultimately kept it and opted to spend it on things other than flood warning systems. They spent $7MM on public safety radios for the sheriff and fire departments, $1MM on bonuses for the sheriff’s employees, and other undisclosed stuff.

Perhaps it wasn’t mentioned by The Daily because the ARPA funds were specifically provided for flood warning systems. Although they could’ve used it for that and chose not to, and you have to wonder about those $1MM in bonuses when the flood warning system also costs $1MM.

I wasn’t aware of the context of the 2021 meeting until my wife cleared it up. The “strings” and “attachments” the local yokels wanted to avoid for accepting Biden’s money were COVID-related (mask and vaccine mandates).
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On 7/14/2025 at 9:53 PM, Ted Lange said:
On 7/14/2025 at 10:18 PM, Biff Tannen said:

As goes Florida, so goes the nation. Or something. We are a nation of god damn ignoramuses. 

On 7/14/2025 at 10:20 PM, Brisketexan said:


That is a real letter. From the attorney general. Of an entire state.
Jesus monkeyfuck. Florida policy might as well have banned werewolves, and required all veterinarians to report all dogs that show signs of being a werewolf. We live in the stupidest, most insane timeline imaginable, and it’s only getting worse. Much worse.

So, if there's spraying/weather control, who do they think is behind it? The Republicans control everything, so wouldn't they be to blame?

Someone make it make sense.

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On 7/15/2025 at 8:31 PM, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Also, I get that you receive flood warnings all the time as you built a camp in a flood plain, but this shit was different. This was some weird tropical storm that just fucking sat and fucking unleashed. Someone should have been paying attention 

Well, this. And as I mentioned before, it really is just that fucking simple. If someone with a pulse and two functioning brain cells to rub together had simply been awake and monitoring the situation, NOBODY would have died at Camp Mystic.

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On 7/15/2025 at 8:38 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

They’ve gotten dozens of “life threatening flood” warnings?  Over how long a period of time?

Do they just ignore them?  Have they always just ignored them?

Exactly what I was about to ask.

"We get loads of these vague messages, so ... " 

"So, what, you just ignore them?"

"No, we don't ... I mean ... uh ... derp. And did I mention derp?"

"Then why was this one ignored. If they're all the same and you don't usually ignore them, then why was this one ignored. It couldn't be different if they're all the same."

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7 hours ago, wood said:

So, if there's spraying/weather control, who do they think is behind it? The Republicans control everything, so wouldn't they be to blame?

Someone make it make sense.

Deep state, bro

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9 hours ago, C-Man said:


I wasn’t aware of the context of the 2021 meeting until my wife cleared it up. The “strings” and “attachments” the local yokels wanted to avoid for accepting Biden’s money were COVID-related (mask and vaccine mandates).

more made-up maga bullshit

vaccine mandates were tied to covid funding only at nursing homes and in schools

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On 7/16/2025 at 3:58 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

by the way, you can develop a fair impression of Jerry Clower by mastering the following phrases:

”Newgene Ledbetter”

”Marcel”

“Liberty, Mississippi”

”projected, and predicted”

”AAAAGH, this things killin’ me!”

”Super-dyna-whoppin’, mo-jo-doola, whim-diddley hotel”

 

 

"Just shoot up heah amongst us 'cuz one of us needs some relief."

"I just want to make sure that he knows that I'm a bull."

 

Justin Wilson had some great ones too.

 

 

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10 hours ago, wood said:

Well, this. And as I mentioned before, it really is just that fucking simple. If someone with a pulse and two functioning brain cells to rub together had simply been awake and monitoring the situation, NOBODY would have died at Camp Mystic.

My wife laughs at me when I stay up overnight if severe weather is on the horizon.  The is zero percent chance I would have gone to bed had I been at one of those camps.

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2 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

jesus these people are fucking weird 

I just wonder what heinous mortal sins those 27+ girls committed in order for Jesus to let them drown at Camp Mystic.

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18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I just wonder what heinous mortal sins those 27+ girls committed in order for Jesus to let them drown at Camp Mystic.

"No, no - you just don't understand.  See Horn Under a Bad Sign's post. They were just being carried home by Jesus himself - just disregard all the stories from other Camp Mystic campers about 7-8 yos screaming as their cabins filled with water and they were ultimately swept away in the torrent.  I'm sure there was absolutely no suffering at all ... "  

/ Our fairy tale loving brethren on the right

12 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

 

 

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On 7/16/2025 at 3:58 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

Jerry Clower, my favorite comedian of all time (along with Richard Pryor and Norm MacDonald) did the best version of that bit, and I think it was because as a devout Christian he took Christ’s gospel more seriously than his own blind spots and social pressure and talked about Godliness even in jest he did it like a preacher.
So when he did that bit he was very clearly castigating the ignorance and shortsightedness of a large part of own audience. And they knew it, and he knew they knew it. 

by the way, you can develop a fair impression of Jerry Clower by mastering the following phrases:

”Newgene Ledbetter”

”Marcel”

“Liberty, Mississippi”

”projected, and predicted”

”AAAAGH, this things killin’ me!”

”Super-dyna-whoppin’, mo-jo-doola, whim-diddley hotel”

 

Is this the guy who used to do the ads for Magic Bait Catfish Bait?

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7 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

If Jesus was carrying them home, then why did people save some of them?

And why did he make the form of his love 100,000,000,000 gallons of rainwater?

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5 minutes ago, Bookman said:

And why did he make the form of his love 100,000,000,000 gallons of rainwater?

"God works in mysterious ways.  Now shut the fuck up with all of your facts."

/ Baptists probably

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3 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

"God works in mysterious ways.  Now shut the fuck up with all of your facts."

/ Baptists probably

That god sounds like a real asshole. 

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Well, at very least the small government bootstrap disciples are using this tragedy to pause and reassess their dogma.

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Members of a Kerrville group called the Young Americans Action Coalition, a non-profit entity with an Instagram bio that reads "Empowering the next generation of leaders with traditional American values and biblical principles," called on residents to protest the possible increase.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/hill-country/article/kerr-county-flood-tax-rate-20773769.php

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4 hours ago, Goredho said:

This event seems to highlight an issue that will be a growing concern for this country and especially Texas.

In the age of governmental downsizing and diminishing oversight and regulation, it's left up to the corporate interests to protect the public/consumers.

The same corporate interests that gave you the tobacco industry coverup of the effects of smoking, mining companies making swaths of inhabited land uninhabitable, BP and the effects of the Deepwater Horizon spill and cleanup on the gulf, Boeing and the 737 Max, the NFL and its squelching of studies and research showing a link between football and CTE and 23042342389234 other real world examples where the profit motive outweighed ethics, morality and public safety.

I would be surprised if once the government is pruned to an acceptable level of non-existence, tort law isn't reformed to further absolve corporate interests from any responsibility to public safety.  You will need to do your due diligence on everything.  There will be no safety nets, if there ever were.

We are reforming government to be one of, by and for the corporations.

The pendulum will eventually stop swinging. The voters want populist policies. There will eventually be a realization that American politics has become a con game. At this point it might be more likely that the realization comes after the pendulum’s momentum can be stopped with votes. It usually takes bloodshed to stop it. Sometimes it takes guillotines. But at some point it will likely start to swing back. 

Either that or future historians will look back on the 20th century like the Islamic golden age. After the US has been carved up by corpo-religions with ai feeding the proletariat their favorite flavor of propaganda-porno-tainment. 

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Finally, some good news.  Kerr County has revised the number missing from over 160 down to 3.  It's not entirely clear by the reporting how many of those no longer missing are actually alive, but they haven't revised the death toll upward, so I assume most of them were simply not in the area when the floods hit.  We'll see.

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Not to go 9/11 truther, but with these chucklefucks at the helm I can’t help but wonder if they just said fuck it when they realized how hopeless an operation it is after making the big claims of recovering every body. 

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On 7/17/2025 at 7:59 PM, Bookman said:

And why did he make the form of his love 100,000,000,000 gallons of rainwater?

If being baptized in a pool of water washes away all your sin, can you imagine how much sin was washed away in that flash flood?

That’s just science really.

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2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

If being baptized in a pool of water washes away all your sin, can you imagine how much sin was washed away in that flash flood?

That’s just science really.

the Bible teaches that all those little girls were sinners and deserved death, does it not? 

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On 7/20/2025 at 8:27 AM, jimmyjazz said:

Finally, some good news.  Kerr County has revised the number missing from over 160 down to 3.  It's not entirely clear by the reporting how many of those no longer missing are actually alive, but they haven't revised the death toll upward, so I assume most of them were simply not in the area when the floods hit.  We'll see.

Guessing everyone who couldn't locate someone called it in as a drowning. Plus, there were probably lots of fakes from people looking for handouts. This was quite common after 911. In fact, a very popular President of the 911 Survivors Committee wasn't even in the country when it happened!!!

"The former President of the World Trade Center Survivors' Network, Tania Head, was exposed as a fraud. Her real name is Alicia Esteve Head, a Spanish woman who was not in the United States on September 11, 2001. She had fabricated her entire story of surviving the attacks and losing a fiancé in the collapse of the towers. 
Tania Head's fabricated story and exposure
  • Claimed experience: Tania Head claimed to have been in the South Tower on the 78th floor, the same floor where the second plane hit. She vividly described horrific scenes, being rescued by Welles Crowther (who died saving others), and being handed a wedding ring by a dying man. She also claimed to have lost her fiancé in the North Tower.
  • Role in the Survivors' Network: Tania Head became a prominent figure in the 9/11 survivor community, serving as president of the World Trade Center Survivors' Network and advocating for survivors' recognition. Her emotional story and dedication resonated with other survivors.
  • Exposure: In 2007, inconsistencies in Head's story began to emerge, particularly as a New York Times investigation into a profile on Head revealed discrepancies. It was discovered that Tania Head was actually Alicia Esteve Head, a Spanish native who was in Barcelona at the time of the attacks. Her alleged fiancé was a real victim, but his family confirmed they had never met Head.
  • Impact of the revelation: The revelation of Head's deception deeply impacted the survivor community, though some acknowledge her positive contributions to the network before her true identity was known. Head subsequently disappeared from public life. 
This case is a tragic reminder of the potential for individuals to exploit tragedies for personal gain and the importance of verifying accounts, particularly in emotionally charged situations."
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Penny wise, pound foolish. Also, the Guadalupe County guy knows things are fucked up, but like the typical DTer, he points his finger in the wrong direction.

This is pretty long, so I tried to snip it down to as bite-sized as I could. Link has full article.

Texas lawmakers largely ignored recommendations aimed at helping rural areas like Kerr County prepare for flooding

[A] ProPublica and Texas Tribune analysis of legislative proposals, along with interviews with lawmakers and flood experts, found that the Legislature has repeatedly failed to enact key measures that would help communities prepare for frequent flooding.

Such inaction often hits rural and economically disadvantaged communities hardest because they lack the tax base to fund major flood prevention projects and often cannot afford to produce the data they need to qualify for state and federal grants, environmental experts and lawmakers said.

Over the years, legislators have declined to pass at least three bills that would create siren or alert systems, tools experts say can be especially helpful in rural communities that lack reliable internet and cell service. A 2019 state-commissioned report estimated flood prevention needs at over $30 billion. Since then, lawmakers have allocated just $1.4 billion. And they ignored the key recommendations from the state’s 2024 flood plan that are meant to help rural areas like Kerr County, which is dubbed “Flash Flood Alley” due to its geography.

Spokespeople for Gov. Greg Abbott and House Speaker Dustin Burrows, R-Lubbock, did not answer questions about why the plan’s recommendations were overlooked but defended the Legislature’s investment in flood mitigation as significant. They pointed to millions more spent on other prevention efforts, including flood control dam construction and maintenance, regional flood projects, and increased floodplain disclosures and drainage requirements for border counties. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick did not respond to questions.

This week, the Legislature will convene for a special session that Abbott called to address a range of priorities, including flood warning systems, natural disaster preparation and relief funding. Patrick promised that the state would purchase warning sirens for counties in flash flood zones. Similar efforts, however, have previously been rejected by the Legislature. Alongside Burrows, Patrick also announced the formation of committees on disaster preparedness and flooding and called the move “just the beginning of the Legislature looking at every aspect of this tragic event.” Burrows said the House is “ready to better fortify our state against future disasters.”

But Rep. Ana-María Rodríguez Ramos, a Democrat from Richardson, near Dallas, said state lawmakers have brushed off dire flood prevention needs for decades.

“The manual was there, and we ignored it, and we've continued to ignore these recommendations,” said Rodríguez Ramos, who has served on the House Natural Resources Committee overseeing water issues for three sessions. “It’s performative to say we’re trying to do something knowing well we’re not doing enough.”

One recommendation from the 2024 flood plan would have cost the state nothing to enact. It called for granting counties the authority to levy drainage fees, including in unincorporated areas, that could fund local flood projects. Only about 150 of 1,450 Texas cities and counties have dedicated drainage fees, according to a study cited in the state assessment.

Kerr, a conservative county of 53,000 people, has struggled to gain support for projects that would raise taxes. About a week after the flooding, some residents protested when county commissioners discussed a property tax increase to help cover the costs of recovery efforts.

The inability to raise such fees is one of the biggest impediments for local governments seeking to fund flood mitigation projects, said Robert R. Puente, a Democrat and former state representative who once chaired the state committee responsible for water issues. Lawmakers’ resistance to such efforts is rooted in fiscal conservatism, said Puente, who now heads the San Antonio Water System.

“It’s mostly because of a philosophy that the leadership in Austin has right now, that under no circumstances are we going to raise taxes, and under most circumstances we’re not even going to allow local governments to have control over how they raise taxes or implement fees,” he said.

Another one of the flood plan’s recommendations called for lawmakers to allocate money for a technical assistance program to help underresourced and rural governments better manage flood prone areas, which requires implementing a slew of standards to ensure safe development in those hazardous zones. Doing this work requires local officials to collect accurate mapping that shows the risk of flooding. Passing this measure could have helped counties like Kerr with that kind of data collection, which the plan recognized is especially challenging for rural and economically disadvantaged communities.

Insufficient information impacts Texas’s ability to fully understand flood risks statewide. The water board’s plan, for example, includes roughly 600 infrastructure projects across Texas in need of completion. But its report acknowledged that antiquated or missing data meant another 3,100 assessments would be required to know whether additional projects are needed.

In the Guadalupe River region, which includes Kerr County, 65% of areas lacked adequate flood mapping. Kerrville, the county seat, was listed among the areas identified as having the “greatest known flood risks and mitigation needs.” Yet of the 19 flood needs specific to the city and county, only three were included in the state plan’s list of 600. They included requests to install backup generators in critical facilities and repair low-water crossings, which are shallow points in streets where rainwater can pool to dangerous levels.

At least 16 other priorities, including the county’s desire for an early warning flood system and potential dam or drainage system repairs, required a follow-up evaluation, according to the state plan. County officials tried to obtain grants for the early warning systems for years, to no avail.

Gonzales County, an agriculture-rich area of 20,000 people along the Guadalupe River, is among the rural communities struggling to obtain funding, said emergency management director Jimmy Harless, who is also the county’s fire marshal. The county is in desperate need of a siren system and additional gauges to measure the river’s potentially dangerous flood levels, Harless said, but doesn’t have the resources, personnel or expertise to apply for the “burdensome” state grant process.

“It is extremely frustrating for me to know that there’s money there and there’s people that care, but our state agency has become so bureaucratic that it’s just not feasible for us,” Harless said. “Our folks’ lives are more important than what some bureaucrat wants us to do.”

For years, Texas leaders have focused more on cleaning up after disasters than on preparing for them, said Jim Blackburn, a professor at Rice University specializing in environmental law and flooding issues.

“It’s no secret that the Guadalupe is prone to flash flooding. That’s been known for decades,” Blackburn said. “The state has been very negligent about kind of preparing us for, frankly, the worst storms of the future that we are seeing today because of climate change, and what’s changing is that the risks are just greater today and will be even greater tomorrow, because our storms are getting worse and worse.”

At a news conference this month, Abbott said state committees would investigate “ways to address this,” though he declined to offer specifics. When pressed by a reporter about where the blame for the lack of preparedness should fall, Abbott responded that it was “the word choice of losers.”

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

About a week after the flooding, some residents protested when county commissioners discussed a property tax increase to help cover the costs of recovery efforts.

They don’t want to pay to mitigate it, and they don’t want to pay to clean up after it. Why should we (any entity) send them money to help?

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They don’t want to pay to mitigate it, and they don’t want to pay to clean up after it. Why should we (any entity) send them money to help?

Fake fiscal "conservatism" in a nutshell.

Overall, my view is that since it's a regional problem that individual cities/counties have trouble with, the State of Texas has a responsibility to step in and assist with planning, funding, operating, and coordinating among all the regional entities.

That said, I don't think local jurisdictions should get it entirely funded for free. Those communities benefit significantly from the revenue gained from visitors, as does the State.

Shared benefit. Shared burden.

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26 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Shared benefit. Shared burden.

Whoa whoa whoa, not so fast, my friend. What is this, Soviet Russia?

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