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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh, and from a friend at one of the local churches, all 27 of the missing Mystic girls are confirmed dead.

That is real close to the worst case rumor mill number floating around on Friday morning, which made me sick to my stomach. It went away with some false hope during the day.  Makes me very pessimistic about the ongoing unknowns for the RV people.

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2 hours ago, fuggled said:

This story seems to cast a lot of doubt on the "there's nothing we could have done" narrative.  Glad the folks at this particular camp were on top of things.

Quick action by one Texas summer camp leads to timely evacuations ahead of deadly flood

 

I’ve been going to Mo Ranch since I was 8 - stayed in Guest Lodge and River Dorm (the evacuated lodgings closest to the river) multiple times. Mo is more corporate than the family-owned camps (I don’t mean that pejoratively) so they have a plan for everything and know how to execute it well. 
 

Having said that, I bet the folks that run the place take no comfort or pride in being featured like this, as their hearts are with their neighbors down the road.

I will be away from the state for a few weeks but damn, I wish I were down there helping. The need will still be there next month, and the month after and so on. 

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1 hour ago, Scheiss Meister said:

The assumption that there will be an honest and complete examination of these events is very optimistic, in my opinion.  I expect another "It could have been worse."

There is still a lot about the Uvalde incident that is being kept out of the public view by the courts. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Sorry, but I can’t figure out how to use the spoiler feature for that.

The Jitterbug phone app is missing some key features. 

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Watching a press conference from the WH at the car dealership waiting to get my car. 
 

The WH official position is that the NWS did its job. Per the WH the NWS provided early, timely and consistent warnings in advance of the catastrophe. they are not blaming the NWS which is something I have seen many people do online. A lot. Everyone knows my position that this was a local failure and a state failure and messed up 100 year old mentality whereby camps upriver were supposed to warn the camps downriver of impending doom, in a county who depends on these camps and dollars from them and tourists…unconscionable.
 

I’m not defending the WH I am saying that is what their official position is that the NWS did its job. just paraphrasing what I am hearing sitting in the dealership waiting room. 

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16 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

The Internet certainly brings out the gottdamned trolls & haters……

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They very literally turned down getting a flood alert system in place in 2015 because the funds would have come from the Obama administration. City of Kerrville leadership CHOSE to not have alert system. Below is the transcript from that meeting:

 

Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support.  The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents.  The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.

....

COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars.  That's a lot of money.  All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.

JUDGE POLLARD:  Which is when President Obama goes out of office.

(Laughter.)

JUDGE POLLARD:  Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --

MS. KIRBY:  It's a coincidence.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Going on the record with that it's a coincidence.  And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available.  So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.

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COMMISSIONER REEVES:  And I will say and, Sheriff, you can correct me if I'm off base on this, the camps have had a very good system of letting down river if there's a rise, they're phoning their competitors or colleagues down river and letting them know what happened.  It's informal as you said, but it's been a very good system to let them know over time.

 

 

more good links to the meeting minutes in the link below in the spoiler.

They also turned down an ARPA grant in 2021 because it came from the wrong color president and they were being crazy about COVID. We're all getting the Texas that we voted for.

And it is a Texas that doesn't give a shit about dead children.

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But we call people, we called camps, they made the decision that they thought they could beat that ride, and then that no matter what we do and no matter what we install there's going to be loss of life. 

So fucked up. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

 


I know it’s annoying. I know that message I posted is the same thing, over and over. Yet….its also true.
Shit, the metaphor works well in this thread. Sorry not sorry I keep shouting about the wall of water headed our way. Maybe if we’d fucking do something about it, and not double down on our current path, I wouldn’t have to say anything else.
But it genuinely pisses me off when everyone tries to sell the “this is Texas, we love and help each other!” lie when those same people celebrate tossing a huge percentage of this state’s population, the people who build your homes, prepare your food, to the ground in cuffs, shove them in camps, all that shit. I’d love it if we meant what we said and practiced what we preached. And I’m sorry if it upsets you to be reminded that we don’t. But I’ll never be silent in the face of this shit. It would be evil for me to do so.
Care for every human in this state as much as you care for each of those little girls, that’s all I ask. Yet, it’s clearly too much to ask.

 

Maybe you should do something about it instead of posting on a message board?

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30 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

The Internet certainly brings out the gottdamned trolls & haters……

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horrible people are found on both sides of the aisle. Remember when those evil Californians had those fires sent from God. Plenty of people online said so.

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I can't fucking believe that some people need to be reminded of this, but 27+ dead CHILDREN didn't vote -- or not vote -- for a god damned thing.

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Ways to help-

For the future, consider joining a Community Emergency Response Team (CERT). 

Links to Hays and Travis County CERTS:

https://www.hayscountycert.com/

https://oem.traviscountytx.gov/events/basic-cert-training-g-317-1

It will take some dedication to training to be qualified to get included in 'boots on the ground' type helping but it can be very rewarding and helpful.

For the now, look to the Guadalupe River Association, these folks will be working to clean and restore the river for months to come.

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If some of you can't handle being able to talk about whatever you want in appropriate threads then you can stop posting here. No one is deleting shit and no one is saying you can't talk about whatever you want, this isn't the thread for it it's not a difficult concept and it's one I'm tired of reiterating. 

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2 hours ago, dcbc said:

It's hard to keep up, but I think there still is a missing counselor, Katherine Ferruzo, age 19.  Chloe is the one from Kinkaid (headed to UT), who was confirmed dead.  Katherine, also was an incoming UT freshman, who graduated from Memorial.  They were counselors in the same cabin, it appears.

edit.  I added her name.  It's in the news at this point.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14882191/photo-entire-cabin-Camp-Mystic-girls-counselors.html

That group picture of all the smiling little girls of Bubble Inn makes my heart hurt.  As a father of two girls, having daughters in that 5-8 yo age range is the best thing in life.  Old enough to be a bit independent but young enough that (most) aren’t a pain is the butt yet lol.  (Middle teens can be ROUGH).  
They’re sweet and happy and fun.  

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3 hours ago, Mittens said:

From the Austin Firefighters Association: 

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It brings the Austin Firefighters no pleasure to report to the community that the Austin Fire Chief DENIED the deployment of Austin firefighters to Kerrville until very late into the event (so today!), with the exception of only 3 AFD rescue swimmers who helped staff helo teams (which still were NOT deployed until the afternoon of the 4th).

The Austin Firefighter Special Operations teams are specially trained for Hill Country swift water rescue and are some of the best, if not the best, swift water boat teams in the State of Texas.

It is absolutely outrageous that the Austin Fire Chief, Joel G. Baker, would not allow highly trained firefighters from Austin to respond to Kerrville. Because of this egregious dereliction of duty, LIVES WERE VERY LIKELY LOST BECAUSE OF CHIEF BAKER’S DECISION!

Deployment orders came down from the State of Texas on July 2. We would've been pre-deployed before the waters even began to rise!

It is unforgivable that a fire chief would NOT allow his firefighters to answer the call to save lives. 

Why would Fire Chief Joel G. Baker do this, you may ask? It was a misguided attempt to save money. I say “misguided” because the fire department is fully reimbursed by the state to deploy. I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.

We are disgusted with our fire chief. He needs to be held accountable and fired for his disgraceful dereliction of duty.

The Austin Firefighters are starting a vote of no confidence on Tuesday on the fire chief.

As disgusted as we are at our Austin Fire Department leadership, the Austin Firefighters Association made a decision to not air our dirty laundry while victims and bodies were still being recovered. But it's now July 7, and it's time that we hold accountable our disgraced fire chief, AND anybody else in his leadership circle who are responsible for this horrendous act.

The Austin Firefighters commit to being transparent to the community about this process to remove our fire chief and hold all of those accountable who were part of this atrocity.

The firefighters hope we have your support, because it's going to get ugly.

I can't possibly express to you how outraged and sickened the firefighters are that we were not allowed to do the job—the job that we have trained so hard and long to do—during the historic floods that just occurred in Kerrville. We could've made a difference, and we were forced to stand down and lives were lost.

The community deserves a fire chief who cares about the community as much as our firefighters, and that is simply not the case. Joel G. Baker must go!

Please support your Austin Firefighters by sharing this post.

Please check this page for updates

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16xx8HhH3i/

 

 

2 hours ago, crash_davis said:

That seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't. There was a threat of Austin flooding. If the water rescue teams were in Hunt/Kerrville, and Austin flooded needing water rescues, I'm sure people would've bitched that he sent AFD resources elsewhere.

Did Austin firefighters deploy to Liberty Hill and Georgetown? Because I know for a fact that Round Rock firefighters deployed to Liberty Hill and performed numerous water rescues and evacuations. 

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3 hours ago, Mittens said:

From the Austin Firefighters Association: 

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It brings the Austin Firefighters no pleasure to report to the community that the Austin Fire Chief DENIED the deployment of Austin firefighters to Kerrville until very late into the event (so today!), with the exception of only 3 AFD rescue swimmers who helped staff helo teams (which still were NOT deployed until the afternoon of the 4th).

The Austin Firefighter Special Operations teams are specially trained for Hill Country swift water rescue and are some of the best, if not the best, swift water boat teams in the State of Texas.

It is absolutely outrageous that the Austin Fire Chief, Joel G. Baker, would not allow highly trained firefighters from Austin to respond to Kerrville. Because of this egregious dereliction of duty, LIVES WERE VERY LIKELY LOST BECAUSE OF CHIEF BAKER’S DECISION!

Deployment orders came down from the State of Texas on July 2. We would've been pre-deployed before the waters even began to rise!

It is unforgivable that a fire chief would NOT allow his firefighters to answer the call to save lives. 

Why would Fire Chief Joel G. Baker do this, you may ask? It was a misguided attempt to save money. I say “misguided” because the fire department is fully reimbursed by the state to deploy. I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.

We are disgusted with our fire chief. He needs to be held accountable and fired for his disgraceful dereliction of duty.

The Austin Firefighters are starting a vote of no confidence on Tuesday on the fire chief.

As disgusted as we are at our Austin Fire Department leadership, the Austin Firefighters Association made a decision to not air our dirty laundry while victims and bodies were still being recovered. But it's now July 7, and it's time that we hold accountable our disgraced fire chief, AND anybody else in his leadership circle who are responsible for this horrendous act.

The Austin Firefighters commit to being transparent to the community about this process to remove our fire chief and hold all of those accountable who were part of this atrocity.

The firefighters hope we have your support, because it's going to get ugly.

I can't possibly express to you how outraged and sickened the firefighters are that we were not allowed to do the job—the job that we have trained so hard and long to do—during the historic floods that just occurred in Kerrville. We could've made a difference, and we were forced to stand down and lives were lost.

The community deserves a fire chief who cares about the community as much as our firefighters, and that is simply not the case. Joel G. Baker must go!

Please support your Austin Firefighters by sharing this post.

Please check this page for updates

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16xx8HhH3i/

 

Timeline is interesting 

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49 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

Did Austin firefighters deploy to Liberty Hill and Georgetown? Because I know for a fact that Round Rock firefighters deployed to Liberty Hill and performed numerous water rescues and evacuations. 

Comes down to mutual aid agreements , plus what you have going on in your district or municipality at the time.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Lhorn said:

That group picture of all the smiling little girls of Bubble Inn makes my heart hurt.  As a father of two girls, having daughters in that 5-8 yo age range is the best thing in life.  Old enough to be a bit independent but young enough that (most) aren’t a pain is the butt yet lol.  (Middle teens can be ROUGH).  
They’re sweet and happy and fun.  

My daughter was Mystic camper and stayed in Bubble Inn one term. I just saw her group cabin picture this weekend.

My niece was a Mystic camper and UT grad. One of her roommates and good friends (also UT grad) who she lived with shortly after graduating, is the mother of one of the missing Mystic girls from San Antonio.

This shit hits way too close to home. 

For the poster asking about the location of the young girl’s cabins in the flats close to the river. They did that because of the closer proximity to all the facilities. The older campers were on Senior Hill. It’s a little tricky walking up and down to those cabins. More suited to older campers.

 I think the cabins in the flats are about 20 feet above the river. I don’t think the flood in 1987 reached those cabins. This one did. Just can’t wrap my head around it. So tragic.

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Posted
6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Mystic may have become a little more "Christy," but historically is right in line with Stewart and Rio Vista.  Historically, they're slightly more "traditional," horsey archery riflery camps, while your Longhorns and Champions are more aquatic.  I think Longhorn created "Ranch Branch" to try to attract those campers and now there's some third thing entirely.  

The friends of my kids who went to Mystic def weren’t bible thumper families and this is over the past 10 years to current (now counselor) fwiw. Pine Cove is the one that comes to mind for being churchy and it wasn’t terrible. one of my boys went there for a few years. Had no interest in being a counselor so stopped prior to CIT 1 year 

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C/P from the help page wanted to drop it here too.

Following up a bit to what @West Kerr Horn noted above. 

Spoke with @InkaUtexas who was out there. In good news, the supplies and need for people is well met at this point. He sent me a pic which I will post below. Based on his information it sounds like there isn't a ton of structure nor infrastructure damage. There was a ton of resources from Federal, State and other broad local Texas assistance. 

There is not currently a need for people nor resources, again based on information from Inka while on site. This may change but its the current reality.

In emergency response there are 3 points as a volunteer.

1) Don't add to the issues

2) If you're not contributing you're in the way.

3) If you fall into area 1 or 2, leave. 

Sounds harsh, but its truth. Inka and his friend found themselves as #2 so they are choosing #3. 

I told him I would provide this update so I am. 

Here is 1 pic of all the water at a single location of which there were about 10. First responders had no place to store more goods. They legitimately had too much stuff.

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