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The mom of a missing girl and I are both on the board of a nonprofit; our quarterly meeting is tomorrow - obviously she will be absent, but I’m dreading that meeting. I just hope we can get through the agenda before everyone is crying.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I think at points of massive debris pile up it acts as a drain catch essentially and there could be piles of individuals that floated into it as well as individually found. 
 

That and people in enclosures like RVs or vehicles tend to be inside unless the structure breaks apart.  

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2 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

That and people in enclosures like RVs or vehicles tend to be inside unless the structure breaks apart.  

I saw a TikTok where a witness said she saw something like a pile of 40ish cars or so that haven’t even been gone through yet. 

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42 minutes ago, Chopper said:

FEMA boss is AWOL per Marisa Kabas. 

"Staff at FEMA haven't received any internal communications from the agency or department leadership since the deadly floods in Texas, which is unheard of in the wake of a major disaster."

"Acting Administrator David Richardson is 'nowhere to be found.'"

Why is this a surprise? The president said State’s are on their own and the feds won’t help, and that was before he set fire to every agency by mass layoffs.  

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Personally wouldn’t be surprised if it’s quite a bit more

The guy from the Cajun Navy was on CNN this afternoon and said based upon the number of cars and especially RV’s they are finding he thought it was more like 500. He mentioned something about RV’s being submerged in 40 feet of water and something about air pockets. Anchor asked if he was suggesting people could be alive and he kind of stammered and then the feed was lost. 

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54 minutes ago, Mittens said:

We should invest in that immediately. Unfortunately, I’m becoming resigned to the fact that elsewhere, these tragic events will simply remain a fact of life.

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The stories are endless.  Here is just one of those coming across my social media feeds:
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My friend’s ex wife, mother, and his two daughters were staying at the River Inn. They were in the second story building for almost 11 hours before they were rescued. That story above makes me even sicker than I already am.
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9 hours ago, Chopper said:

You'll be horrified to learn that the losses were acceptable. To some.

 

To make this statement from that video is stunningly idiotic.  In no way, shape, or form did the President imply that any loss of life was acceptable.

You can have strong negative feelings toward the man, but to make the leap you just did is an indication that you aren't functioning on any level bordering on rational.  

You need to take a knee, face outboard, and drink some water.

 

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7 minutes ago, Hondo said:

To make this statement from that video is stunningly idiotic.  In no way, shape, or form did the President imply that any loss of life was acceptable.

You can have strong negative feelings toward the man, but to make the leap you just did is an indication that you aren't functioning on any level bordering on rational.  

You need to take a knee, face outboard, and drink some water.

 

nm... you're an imbecile and this isn't the forum for your discussion.

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3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

"Congratulations on a GREAT JOB. There could've been 200 or 300 dead (without me)." Note: There are 200 or 300 dead so kindly fuck off. 

You continue to make my case.  Have at it.  I'm not going to try to stop you.

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I am just amazed by the grace that these parents have demonstrated in some of the interviews.  This family are really good people and it really makes me angry they are going through this. 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, Hondo said:

You continue to make my case.  Have at it.  I'm not going to try to stop you.

Three days later with barely any federal response he's spiking the football and proclaiming victory but sure you keep arguing. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Three days later with barely any federal response he's spiking the football and proclaiming victory but sure you keep arguing. 

Are there any reports that more help, assets or resources are needed?

Posted
1 hour ago, Mittens said:

Jim Spencer, fwiw

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IN DEFENSE OF THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE…

Upon learning tonight it is now possible the death toll could reach 250, I am increasingly depressed as I am sure many of you are. This hits so close to home for me having been a member of the weather community for 40 years now—34 in Austin. I’m also painfully aware what we all feel pales with that of families of those missing or lost. Our hearts break for them all.

As I mentioned in previous posts we must have answers. And in my opinion, which is mine alone and not that of KXAN-TV, here is where we stand:

1. The meteorologists that I have worked with hand-in hand for years at our local National Weather Service office are consummate professionals and I know are equally devastated about the events of July 4-5, but they should take comfort in the fact that they did their job. Flash Flood Watches and Warnings MEAN SOMETHING. And the first Watch went out on the afternoon of July 3rd. The first Flash Flood Warning went out nearly three hours before water started sweeping away campers at Camp Mystic and 4 hours before many more died downriver.

The fact that Kerr County officials and others say “we didn’t know it was coming” is either the height of negligence or a demonstration of total incompetence. The questions that remain include, did adequate cell service alarm their phones at 1:15 a.m.? Was NOAA weather radio reception in that area adequate to receive the Warning and set off an alert tone? Either way, with a Flash Flood Watch in effect for 14 hours before the the flooding began, and a Warning issued 2-4 hours before the catastrophe, there is NO excuse for the lack of preparation and response from the camps, county officials, law enforcement, etc.

I read that the Kerrville City Manager was jogging on the Guadalupe River trail at 4 a.m., minutes before a FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY was declared, yet unaware that a flood wave was just miles upriver headed rapidly his way. How is it possible he was not aware his city had been placed under Flash Flood Warning nearly 3 hours earlier? I am not assigning blame to the City Manager, but obviously their emergency communications system in that city and county was woefully, dangerously inadequate.

2. Regarding these controversial federal cuts and the understaffing at the National Weather Service office: Yes, there were six unfilled positions, but the official word is that the office was fully staffed that morning. Maybe we will never know if things would have turned out differently if some of these important vacancies hadn’t existed. Donald Rumsfeld famously said, “You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want…”

I heard a former NOAA administrator use the analogy of two football teams facing off—one with 11 players, but the other with only 8. I know at KXAN, our forecast products and public messaging was always best when we had more people in the weather center rather than fewer. Who wants to do their job with one hand tied behind their back?

And here is my great concern: Even if the meteorologists in that office that morning, or the meteorologists who are no longer there due to cuts believe in their hearts that things might have been different if not for the vacancies, would they tell us their true feelings? I have my doubts in this age of intimidation of those who criticize political decisions. Hell, if I thought I or my family might be subject to death threats if I went public with a criticism of policy-makers, I might reconsider too—or at least say what I needed to say anonymously. I’m not saying this is the case necessarily, but it would be understandable.

3. Finally, to those in the Austin area—Williamson, Travis and Burnet counties who have lost loved ones or still haven’t found the missing, our hearts ache for you too. This additional tragedy also haunts us at KXAN, but also defines a bigger problem. The National Weather Service did an excellent job, issuing a Flash Flood Emergency well in advance, early July 5th for the very areas where people were swept away. KXAN meteorologists were on the air broadcasting dire Warnings.

But, were those people who were swept away asleep at the time? Did they hear their phones alarm, or had they turned off their “alerts” setting? Did they have a NOAA Weather Radio that alarmed them, or was the first sign of disaster when they felt their homes floating? These alerts have to be taken seriously, and it is CRITICAL that people who live near creeks, streams and rivers always have a method of receiving these alerts, then take take action to protect themselves without waiting on officials to evacuate them. But, we’ve been preaching the importance of taking Warnings seriously and having a weather radio, etc. forever and nothing seems to change.

Sirens are not always feasible, but I believe along high recreation waterways like the Guadalupe river they will need to be mandatory. We have technology now that could automatically trigger these sirens. We should invest in that immediately. Unfortunately, I’m becoming resigned to the fact that elsewhere, these tragic events will simply remain a fact of life.

 

Jim Spencer’s assessment is 100% on point and it was easily known from about 9am on July 4th.

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11 minutes ago, troph said:

Jim Spencer’s assessment is 100% on point and it was easily known from about 9am on July 4th.

Agree. He’s done a really good job of articulating and summarizing where the failures occurred. I know we will find out more in the coming days, weeks and months, but for now he’s addressed the shortcomings in a clear and concise manner without injecting a lot of emotion into it.

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Posted
9 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Here are the relevant transcripts of the Kerr County Commissioners Court.

 


Goddamnit. These fucks actually said this.

Dead in the water.

 

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8 hours ago, CTC2 said:

I am just amazed by the grace that these parents have demonstrated in some of the interviews.  This family are really good people and it really makes me angry they are going through this. 
 

 

 

That is one strong and amazing man.

Thanks for posting.

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11 hours ago, Mittens said:

Jim Spencer, fwiw

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IN DEFENSE OF THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE…

Upon learning tonight it is now possible the death toll could reach 250, I am increasingly depressed as I am sure many of you are. This hits so close to home for me having been a member of the weather community for 40 years now—34 in Austin. I’m also painfully aware what we all feel pales with that of families of those missing or lost. Our hearts break for them all.

As I mentioned in previous posts we must have answers. And in my opinion, which is mine alone and not that of KXAN-TV, here is where we stand:

1. The meteorologists that I have worked with hand-in hand for years at our local National Weather Service office are consummate professionals and I know are equally devastated about the events of July 4-5, but they should take comfort in the fact that they did their job. Flash Flood Watches and Warnings MEAN SOMETHING. And the first Watch went out on the afternoon of July 3rd. The first Flash Flood Warning went out nearly three hours before water started sweeping away campers at Camp Mystic and 4 hours before many more died downriver.

The fact that Kerr County officials and others say “we didn’t know it was coming” is either the height of negligence or a demonstration of total incompetence. The questions that remain include, did adequate cell service alarm their phones at 1:15 a.m.? Was NOAA weather radio reception in that area adequate to receive the Warning and set off an alert tone? Either way, with a Flash Flood Watch in effect for 14 hours before the the flooding began, and a Warning issued 2-4 hours before the catastrophe, there is NO excuse for the lack of preparation and response from the camps, county officials, law enforcement, etc.

I read that the Kerrville City Manager was jogging on the Guadalupe River trail at 4 a.m., minutes before a FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY was declared, yet unaware that a flood wave was just miles upriver headed rapidly his way. How is it possible he was not aware his city had been placed under Flash Flood Warning nearly 3 hours earlier? I am not assigning blame to the City Manager, but obviously their emergency communications system in that city and county was woefully, dangerously inadequate.

2. Regarding these controversial federal cuts and the understaffing at the National Weather Service office: Yes, there were six unfilled positions, but the official word is that the office was fully staffed that morning. Maybe we will never know if things would have turned out differently if some of these important vacancies hadn’t existed. Donald Rumsfeld famously said, “You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want…”

I heard a former NOAA administrator use the analogy of two football teams facing off—one with 11 players, but the other with only 8. I know at KXAN, our forecast products and public messaging was always best when we had more people in the weather center rather than fewer. Who wants to do their job with one hand tied behind their back?

And here is my great concern: Even if the meteorologists in that office that morning, or the meteorologists who are no longer there due to cuts believe in their hearts that things might have been different if not for the vacancies, would they tell us their true feelings? I have my doubts in this age of intimidation of those who criticize political decisions. Hell, if I thought I or my family might be subject to death threats if I went public with a criticism of policy-makers, I might reconsider too—or at least say what I needed to say anonymously. I’m not saying this is the case necessarily, but it would be understandable.

3. Finally, to those in the Austin area—Williamson, Travis and Burnet counties who have lost loved ones or still haven’t found the missing, our hearts ache for you too. This additional tragedy also haunts us at KXAN, but also defines a bigger problem. The National Weather Service did an excellent job, issuing a Flash Flood Emergency well in advance, early July 5th for the very areas where people were swept away. KXAN meteorologists were on the air broadcasting dire Warnings.

But, were those people who were swept away asleep at the time? Did they hear their phones alarm, or had they turned off their “alerts” setting? Did they have a NOAA Weather Radio that alarmed them, or was the first sign of disaster when they felt their homes floating? These alerts have to be taken seriously, and it is CRITICAL that people who live near creeks, streams and rivers always have a method of receiving these alerts, then take take action to protect themselves without waiting on officials to evacuate them. But, we’ve been preaching the importance of taking Warnings seriously and having a weather radio, etc. forever and nothing seems to change.

Sirens are not always feasible, but I believe along high recreation waterways like the Guadalupe river they will need to be mandatory. We have technology now that could automatically trigger these sirens. We should invest in that immediately. Unfortunately, I’m becoming resigned to the fact that elsewhere, these tragic events will simply remain a fact of life.

 

Thanks for sharing. Point 1 makes me ragey.

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Friend lives up on Sandy Creek arm, they had APD circling for what looks like a good hour to an hour and a half sweeping up and down the creek arm.  He wrote me back about 30 minutes later and there were 3 police / sheriff boats up that way near Jonestown park motoring around a large debris field.  Curious if there's been any word if they found something.

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9 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said:

Totally suspicious of you people but I have my daughter back, my next door neighbor girl back, daughter’s friends all good. Dallas friend’s kids made it thru. One of my close friends lost his daughter, and my other less close friend hasn’t found his yet. We are still shocked but the girls seem completely normal. 

I saw a good video from Jordan Peterson a while back where he was talking about how the only thing that can actually cause PTSD is when someone else tries to inflict harm upon you. Apparently you don’t see it much at all from survivors of accidents or natural disasters. 

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20 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Peterson is a mixed Nut bag I know but hopefully that can give some assurance to people that know survivors. Not trying to derail

FIFY

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25 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I saw a good video from Jordan Peterson a while back where he was talking about how the only thing that can actually cause PTSD is when someone else tries to inflict harm upon you. Apparently you don’t see it much at all from survivors of accidents or natural disasters. 

Yes you do. It comes later. your entire fabric is gone. 

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36 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I saw a good video from Jordan Peterson a while back where he was talking about how the only thing that can actually cause PTSD is when someone else tries to inflict harm upon you. Apparently you don’t see it much at all from survivors of accidents or natural disasters. 

That’s absurd. PTSD can occur from a variety of reasons. Injury, illness, financial, death, disaster, the genesis of PTSD is trauma, not a particular type of trauma.

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Helob citing a Jordan Peterson truth bomb that is actually not truth or factual, fuckin hell I gotta give credit to the surly simulator sometimes. 

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1 minute ago, bluto said:

Helob citing a Jordan Peterson truth bomb that is actually not truth or factual, fuckin hell I gotta give credit to the surly simulator sometimes. 

A psychologist that lets himself be prescribed benzos for anxiety and then becomes addicted to them is a prima facie idiot.

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