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I'd like to give thanks for being able to find and purchase these obliterating tools of war, much more easily than I can find and purchase fresh cranberries for Thanksgiving.  God bless the United States of Gunnny Gun Bang Bang Blood Blood Dead.

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2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Open carry.  Completely legal, no questions asked.  Then, on the other hand, we want people to “harden” our schools.  If only there were another solution…..

 

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3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Open carry.  Completely legal, no questions asked.  Then, on the other hand, we want people to “harden” our schools.  If only there were another solution…..

 

A country full of pussies

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Open carry.  Completely legal, no questions asked.  Then, on the other hand, we want people to “harden” our schools.  If only there were another solution…..
 

Saw the comments. People saying he had the right to open carry like that. Look like he’s in firing position (not slung over his back). I could see someone capping his ass in self defense. What am I missing?

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I'm not for the taking of human life but I kinda wish someone would have pulled the "self defense" card against that moron. At least then they'd have to decide that one of the policies is stupid.

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48 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


Saw the comments. People saying he had the right to open carry like that. Look like he’s in firing position (not slung over his back). I could see someone capping his ass in self defense. What am I missing?

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He's another rittenhouse wannabe. 

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6 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Open carry.  Completely legal, no questions asked.  Then, on the other hand, we want people to “harden” our schools.  If only there were another solution…..

 

This is why even many cops think the current state of affairs is stupid as fuck.

I can strap up with all of the tactical gear you can imagine, kevlar from head to toe, carrying an AR and 20 extra magazines, waltz right towards a school, and until I get within 1000 feet (so....pretty damned close)....I am 100% within the law.  And that's just schools.  For any place else -- a Wal-Mart, movie theater, all that sort of shit, I'm just being a super-patriotic American until I walk through a door that has a sign that says firearms are prohibited on the premises.  But no worries, by then I've started shooting, so it doesn't matter much.

You're standing outside the door of your local store getting ready to go in.  A guy comes walking towards you carrying his AR.  Is he a super-duper-patriot protector?  Is he a fucking psychopath getting ready to murder 20 people?  NOBODY KNOWS!  ROLL THE DICE, AMERICA!  But you cops, you best not confront him, because you'd be violating his rights or some shit (according to the open carry crowd).

My position on this has never changed: if you openly carry a firearm, you are actively looking to provoke a breach of the peace, and it should be illegal.  There's no way to distinguish between someone just carrying a gun and someone getting ready to murder people until the trigger is pulled.  That's fucking insane and stupid.

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at least Rittenhouse wore proper footwear to his shootings.  This guy's tooling around in fucking New Balance shoes and lounging pants.

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1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

at least Rittenhouse wore proper footwear to his shootings.  This guy's tooling around in fucking New Balance shoes and lounging pants.

Sometimes, being a psychopath and being comfortable are equal priorities.

Let's not get all judgey.

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Surly site revenue generation idea #37:  New Balance tactical running shoes.  The trail/track shoe that says, "I wanna get cardio, but I'm also a sociopath."  Holds two magazines, quick release/breakaway tongue and lace eyelets, and in-sole air pocket is filled with deadly cyanide if you decide not to be taken alive or suicide-by-cop.  Sure the safety day-glo strips may give away your position to law enforcement, but to be fair---shouldn't the two AR-15's do the same in any other normal fucking country?  

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15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This is why even many cops think the current state of affairs is stupid as fuck.

I can strap up with all of the tactical gear you can imagine, kevlar from head to toe, carrying an AR and 20 extra magazines, waltz right towards a school, and until I get within 1000 feet (so....pretty damned close)....I am 100% within the law.  And that's just schools.  For any place else -- a Wal-Mart, movie theater, all that sort of shit, I'm just being a super-patriotic American until I walk through a door that has a sign that says firearms are prohibited on the premises.  But no worries, by then I've started shooting, so it doesn't matter much.

You're standing outside the door of your local store getting ready to go in.  A guy comes walking towards you carrying his AR.  Is he a super-duper-patriot protector?  Is he a fucking psychopath getting ready to murder 20 people?  NOBODY KNOWS!  ROLL THE DICE, AMERICA!  But you cops, you best not confront him, because you'd be violating his rights or some shit (according to the open carry crowd).

My position on this has never changed: if you openly carry a firearm, you are actively looking to provoke a breach of the peace, and it should be illegal.  There's no way to distinguish between someone just carrying a gun and someone getting ready to murder people until the trigger is pulled.  That's fucking insane and stupid.

Exactly this. If a police car has pulled up on him and shot him dead the second that he did anything other than put the gun immediately on the ground, the police would have claimed that it was justified. And I would 100% agree. 

Insanity that legal open carry is allowed on public property in 2023. Sure, let's let you immediately escalate the tension and uncertainty in every environment that you walk into because you're a sad, scared loser.

I don't like to use the overused tiny dick joke on most gun nuts, but anyone who opens carries--or defends open carry--is a needle dick coward who need to be sterilized en masse. Pathetic.

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17 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

You're standing outside the door of your local store getting ready to go in.  A guy comes walking towards you carrying his AR.  Is he a super-duper-patriot protector?  Is he a fucking psychopath getting ready to murder 20 people?  NOBODY KNOWS!  ROLL THE DICE, AMERICA!  But you cops, you best not confront him, because you'd be violating his rights or some shit (according to the open carry crowd).

All the right-wingers are proponents of these God-given rights.  But when even the most hardened batshit crazy gun-loving MAGA sees this guy walking into his HEB, he's not saying, "Hey, it's one of those good guys with a gun!"  No, he's pissing his pants and running to hide in the gluten free section.

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2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

What's wrong with New Balance shoes?

Buncha judgy Bougies up in here.

Can't tell if you don't know what Bougie means or don't know what New Balances are

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https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/05/uvalde-officer-student-trainings-mass-shootings/

Too long to quote entirely, but jesus christ.  Seriously, why do we have cops if this is what we get? 

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“I’m watching that door. No screams. No nothing. No nothing. You know. Things you would think you would hear if there had been kids in there,” Cpl. Gregory Villa, who had been with the Uvalde Police Department for 11 years, told an investigator days after the attack that left 19 children and two teachers dead.

If there were children inside, Villa said, officers would have probably heard the shooter saying, “‘Hey, everybody shut up,’ and then kids are like, ‘Oh no, I gotta, I want my mommy.’”

Villa, who received active shooter training four years earlier, was among several officers who told investigators that they didn’t believe children were in the classrooms because they were so quiet. The children’s strict adherence to remaining silent was, in fact, part of their training. Officers’ own training instructs them to confront a shooter if there is reason to believe someone is hurt.

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Mendoza said officers knew they needed to get into the classrooms, including Mireles’, but they didn’t have the right equipment. His sentiment was shared by more than a dozen officers who, in interviews with investigators, expressed fear of the shooter’s semiautomatic rifle.

“Like I said, we didn’t have any shields, no, no flash-bangs, no nothing that we could’ve used to create a distraction,” Mendoza recalled, “to, not only, like, not to sound selfish, but make sure we go home at the end of the day, but at least more of these kids can go home at the end of the day.”

Though officers signed up for the job knowing that they were putting their lives at risk, they’d never been confronted with a mass shooter, Mendoza said.

“None of us ever thought any of this situation would ever happen here, in Uvalde,” he said.

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Despite some radios not working inside the school, officers who heard the dispatcher’s broadcast now knew that children and at least one adult remained alive, trapped with the shooter on the other side of the door. Those details, along with earlier signs that included sporadic gunfire and information that an officer’s wife was shot but still alive in the classroom, should have jogged in their minds a key lesson from training. They should have moved swiftly to stop the killing and stop the dying, experts said.

“You know kids are in there. You know you have a teacher that’s hurt. You’ve been shot at already. You’ve got an officer that’s been wounded. I mean, I think the intel is there,” said McDonald, the school safety expert who reviewed the footage at the request of the news organizations. “The environment is there. So how do you get in that room? What are your options to get in that room? And I think that has to be a priority. You already had one officer who said his wife was in there several minutes ago. Stop the dying.”

Instead, law enforcement officers, including members of a highly trained Border Patrol tactical team that had just arrived, continued to wait, even as they received some specialized equipment that they said they needed to breach the metal door and enter the classroom. No one ever checked the door to see if it was unlocked, although a state House committee that later reviewed the shooting determined it probably was.

I'm somewhat in disbelief at this point that none of the police who abandoned their duty to protect those children that day have killed themselves. Are most of them even ashamed?

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The children were being too quiet?  That's the new excuse?  Remember that "Band of Brothers" episode during the Battle of the Bulge where all the paratroopers were instructed to yell and scream and light fires and wave their arms to the Germans at night to completely give away their position?  Yeah, I guessed I missed that one, too.

As stated above, it is absolutely as insane to me as the shooting itself that not one of these officers has taken the honorable way out and swallowed a bullet in a parking lot somewhere.  They all walk past each other every single day and they all know what went down and somehow they go about their lives like nothing happened.  That is so fucking bizarre to me.  I mean, a handful of cops that may see each other once a month is one thing.  But this is hundreds and hundreds of cops who all live/work/shop in the same areas every single fucking day.  How the fuck do you carry on like that?  How do they look at their children and their wives with that shame?  They should enter some kinda murder-suicide pact and at least be a man about it all...

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8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/05/uvalde-officer-student-trainings-mass-shootings/

Too long to quote entirely, but jesus christ.  Seriously, why do we have cops if this is what we get? 

I'm somewhat in disbelief at this point that none of the police who abandoned their duty to protect those children that day have killed themselves. Are most of them even ashamed?

I'll answer you: NO.  They are not.  Because their entire worldview is that they are god's among men, entirely above the laws that govern us mere mortal sheep.  Thus, they are incapable of making a wrong decision: if the decide on a course of action, or inaction, it is therefore the correct course, because who are you to question them?  "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it!"

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Jesus. Hearing the words of actual kids in those classrooms. 

I'm ashamed that our response to something like this is... *crickets* It's disgusting.

We've decided that this is a worthy price to pay for allowing people to have weapons of war:

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4 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Jesus. Hearing the words of actual kids in those classrooms. 

I'm ashamed that our response to something like this is... *crickets* It's disgusting.

We've decided that this is a worthy price to pay for allowing people to have weapons of war:

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And through it all, remember this: that story is a function of our system working EXACTLY AS DESIGNED AND INTENDED.  Those horrors are a feature, not a bug.

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Cops are trained to be pants shitting cowards. They should have just given their guns to any random group of people gathered outside the school because they sure as fuck would have gone through that door.

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Just now, HenryJames said:

They should have just given their guns to any random group of people gathered outside the school because they sure as fuck would have gone through that door.

Parents damn sure would have.

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I think she did, and then she came back out/forced out to be arrested or some shit.  It's amazing 1.5 years later, they're still unpacking that shitshow/debacle.  Police suddenly dumbfounded after 18 months of debriefing that kids chose to remain still/quiet instead of lighting off flares and shouting "HERE I AM!"  

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1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Jesus. Hearing the words of actual kids in those classrooms. 

I'm ashamed that our response to something like this is... *crickets* It's disgusting.

We've decided that this is a worthy price to pay for allowing people to have weapons of war:

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Jesus fuck. This would have wrecked me before I had kids. But, now that I have a daughter, all I feel is rage.

How anyone reading this doesn't immediately conclude that we HAVE to do something major to stop this is beyond me. I don't care whether you think it will work or not, let's fucking try it. Try something. How is this acceptable in America?

Otherwise, just admit that you don't care unless it's your kids and keep hiding behind "well, I'm not a one issue voter" as if some combination of policies (i.e. the ones that you think will make you the most money) is more important that this. Cowards.

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

How anyone reading this doesn't immediately conclude that we HAVE to do something major to stop this is beyond me. I don't care whether you think it will work or not, let's fucking try it. Try something. How is this acceptable in America?

Otherwise, just admit that you don't care unless it's your kids and keep hiding behind "well, I'm not a one issue voter" as if some combination of policies (i.e. the ones that you think will make you the most money) is more important that this. Cowards.

Maybe the GOP wants this - wants people scared.  The fact that they don't really want to touch the mental health system or push better red flag laws that could cut down on a lot/most of these shootings, and that would relieve the pressure to ban guns, is very interesting.

It's not like there was Russian money flowing through the NRA or anything as well....

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22 hours ago, UnivTex34 said:

 

 

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Holy fuck ... this man killed SIX people. In Austin and San Antonio. Yesterday. And it doesn't even rate hardly a mention here on Surlyhorns.


"Police in Austin have arrested a man after a series of shootings that left six people dead and three people injured, including two police officers and a bicyclist, over the course of eight hours.

Austin’s interim police chief, Robin Henderson, said at a news conference early on Wednesday that the violence occurred in two separate incidents across two central Texas communities. He said police were not aware the incidents were connected until after they arrested the man, named as 34-year-old Shane James."




https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/texas-suspect-arrested-austin-violence


 

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1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


Holy fuck ... this man killed SIX people. In Austin and San Antonio. Yesterday. And it doesn't even rate hardly a mention here on Surlyhorns.

 

There is a thread in DT about it, with many more replies.

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27 minutes ago, UnivTex34 said:

There is a thread in DT about it, with many more replies.

That thread also contains a good discussion of Short Stop, and where to get good catfish in town.  Because Surly.

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23 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Didn't Uvalde turn around and vote for Abbott and the GOP at landslide levels? I don't even know what to say about that 

it's not really shocking, fits right in with our resident murder dildo fetishists - 'dead kids are totally worth it, guys!' 

 

23 hours ago, aggie08 said:

Otherwise, just admit that you don't care unless it's your kids and keep hiding behind "well, I'm not a one issue voter" as if some combination of policies (i.e. the ones that you think will make you the most money) is more important that this. Cowards.

i mean, they already have.

 

 

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23 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Maybe the GOP wants this - wants people scared.  The fact that they don't really want to touch the mental health system or push better red flag laws that could cut down on a lot/most of these shootings, and that would relieve the pressure to ban guns, is very interesting.

It's not like there was Russian money flowing through the NRA or anything as well....

There is no maybe.  This is what they want.

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I watched the Frontline episode last night. It's essentially a video version of the Tribune article with having the video interviews instead of quotes. 

I hate to say it, but I can actually see some of the side of the officers. Not 77 fucking minutes worth of their side, but everything about it was a mess.

No clear command, no communication between groups, poor training, a guy who is barricaded with a BFG aimed right at a door, and all the while, it is quiet, lights are out, and no one in the classes is yelling out (because that's what they trained to do). I can see how you might think he is barricaded (long stretches with no shots) and there is no one in the rooms at first. But then you start getting calls from in those classrooms from kids, and even the officer whose wife was shot. How do you just sit... and sit... and sit...?

You could see the adrenaline just ruining critical and clear thinking. It wasn't until way into it that they opened up other classrooms and realize "hey, there are kids... at a school!" They just didn't look. The first classes they clear by busting the outside windows and taking kids out that way, but then a few minutes later they are trying to open another classroom with a master key that won't work. They just keep trying until finally the idea hits that "hey, let's bust out the window like we did on the other rooms." Very much tunnel vision.

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I watched the Frontline episode last night. It's essentially a video version of the Tribune article with having the video interviews instead of quotes. 

I hate to say it, but I can actually see some of the side of the officers. Not 77 fucking minutes worth of their side, but everything about it was a mess.

No clear command, no communication between groups, poor training, a guy who is barricaded with a BFG aimed right at a door, and all the while, it is quiet, lights are out, and no one in the classes is yelling out (because that's what they trained to do). I can see how you might think he is barricaded (long stretches with no shots) and there is no one in the rooms at first. But then you start getting calls from in those classrooms from kids, and even the officer whose wife was shot. How do you just sit... and sit... and sit...?

You could see the adrenaline just ruining critical and clear thinking. It wasn't until way into it that they opened up other classrooms and realize "hey, there are kids... at a school!" They just didn't look. The first classes they clear by busting the outside windows and taking kids out that way, but then a few minutes later they are trying to open another classroom with a master key that won't work. They just keep trying until finally the idea hits that "hey, let's bust out the window like we did on the other rooms." Very much tunnel vision.

Need access to a room that is locked, but has an exterior wall? Easy. Every cop car has those push bars on the front. Smash into the wall. Yes, there’s some risk of people inside being hurt by debris. But it’s a dynamic entry that will surely throw the shooter off balance.
“Brisket, get me in that room.” There’s multiple ways to do it. Let’s pick one, and do it.
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14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Need access to a room that is locked, but has an exterior wall? Easy. Every cop car has those push bars on the front. Smash into the wall. Yes, there’s some risk of people inside being hurt by debris. But it’s a dynamic entry that will surely throw the shooter off balance.
“Brisket, get me in that room.” There’s multiple ways to do it. Let’s pick one, and do it.

I don't think there were many cop cars there.

I mean at least you could hold a damn phone up to the window to get a video of what the room looks like, right?

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Protect and Serve should be replaced with “Get home safe to our families”

I don’t understand how members of the Uvalde PD are able to walk in that community without being called cowards every day.

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2 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

Protect and Serve should be replaced with “Get home safe to our families”

I don’t understand how members of the Uvalde PD are able to walk in that community without being called cowards every day.

They harassed at least one of the moms that made them look bad by going in after her kid while they waited outside for weeks at least.  You can bet your ass they'd beat the shit out of (at the very least) anyone who called them a coward.

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