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5 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Was listening to npr on my drive this morning and they are in Detroit talking to different groups. This morning they were talking to Muslim leaders and one of them said even though she's a strong Democrat her #1 goal this year is to keep Harris from getting elected. Trump has said he would immediately stop the war with Israel, and Harris won't make that same statement, so even though she disagrees with everything the gop stands for she's voting for him. Lady, you are a fucking idiot if you believe any statement he makes about anything is worth shit. I know, just another in a long list of stories about how this is an election that shouldn't be anywhere close, but here we are. 

She thinks she hates Netanyahu now, just wait until Trump lets him do whatever he wants unchecked.

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, duh.

 

https://popular.info/p/trump-held-a-contest-to-join-him

Trump held a contest to join him on stage at his rally in Butler. Was it a scam?
 

 

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There was no sign of a contest winner at any time during Trump's lengthy appearance at the rally — from the moment Trump took the stage to when he left almost two hours later. 

It's possible, of course, that a winner was selected and met Trump privately. But that was not the prize that was promised in Trump's emails. 

Was it all a scam? The Trump campaign seems sensitive to this criticism. The bottom of Trump's October 1 email promoting the Butler contest invites supporters to "MEET OUR PREVIOUS CONTEST WINNERS." It includes a photo of Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and two supporters at the Miami Grand Prix held in May. 

But there could not have been a contest to meet Trump at the Miami Grand Prix because, according to USA Today, the race organizers "did not disclose before the race if Trump would attend for security reasons." A database of Trump's fundraising appeals contains no mention of the Miami event.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment. 

 

Trump's dubious contests during the 2020 campaign — and beyond

During the 2020 election cycle, Popular Information identified 21 contests to share a meal with Trump at various locations. The tactic was cribbed from former president Barack Obama's election strategy; Obama held a series of contests for "Dinner with Barack." Each meal with Obama generated extensive media coverage, with detailed information about the attendees. There was no information, however, about any of the winners of Trump's contests. Nor did any winners post pictures of their meal with Trump on social media. 

One contest promoted a meal with Trump in Chicago on October 23, 2019. Popular Information contacted the pool reporter traveling with Trump that day, the Washington Post's Anne Gearan, and asked if she had heard anything about Trump's meal with a contest winner. She had not and put in an inquiry with the campaign. The campaign never responded. 

Popular Information's report was picked up by Vanity Fair and other national publications. Soon thereafter, the Trump campaign began promoting an article from the right-wing Daily Caller that supposedly debunked Popular Information's reporting. 

But the Daily Caller article only addressed one contest for a meal. Joanna Kamis "won" a breakfast with Trump in New York City on September 26. She did attend a breakfast in New York City on that day but Trump did not attend. Instead, Kamis was "able to mingle with the likes of Donald Trump Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, and Elizabeth Pipko." In other words, that contest was a fraud. (Later, Kamis took a photograph with Trump.)

There is still no information about any of the other "winners" of the contests for meals with Trump during his 2020 campaign. The fact that the Trump campaign put the Daily Caller in contact with Kamis and no other contributors raises serious questions about whether anyone else won.

The Trump campaign did not comply with requests to release the names of the winners of its 2020 campaign contests — from both Popular Information and the New York Times — even in cases where disclosure was required by state law. 

Trump's political operation continued to promote contests for meals with Trump beyond the 2022 election cycle. In March 2022, the Washington Post reported that Trump's leadership PAC, Save America, "sent at least 15 emails in recent weeks offering small-dollar donors the chance to win a coveted prize if they gave money: dinner with Trump in New Orleans last Saturday." 

But, the Washington Post reported, "no such winner was flown to New Orleans last weekend, according to four people familiar with the matter." Instead, Trump met with "a handful of Republican Party donors who gave large checks, taking pictures with some of the party’s most well-heeled members and speaking to a larger group of donors who each gave tens of thousands of dollars." A Trump campaign spokesman said that "due to an administrative error in this individual circumstance, the contest winner was not properly notified for last weekend’s event in New Orleans."

The Washington Post also "asked Save America to provide winners for other contests it has held, which included meeting the president at a rally in South Carolina this weekend, meeting Trump at his palatial Florida club last year, playing golf with Trump and Georgia Senate candidate Herschel Walker in Palm Beach, or receiving commemorative memorabilia — such as a football signed by Trump and Walker, a College Football Hall of Famer." Save America "declined to comment."

 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Rogan is objectively good at interviewing people and Theo Von has the rare ability to pull out the human core of a person if they are willing to go where the conversation takes them. Probably the realest conversation with Donald Trump I’ve ever heard. 

Someone in reddit described him as low-information but high-compassion, which I think was an apt description and a good reason for Harris to go on his show. Let’s face it, people who are convinced by facts have already decided their vote. These are emotional and instinctual appeals rather than logical.

Yes he’s dumb. But he’s aware that he’s dumb and makes up for it with compassion and honesty. She’s also quite good at the emotional appeal angle as well. 

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On 10/2/2024 at 3:19 PM, Bateshorn said:

It's Cocktober!!!  Count me as a bit dubious after a Senate and Presidential run, now new information has come to light, dude. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13898791/Kamala-Harris-husband-Doug-Emhoff-accused-ex-girlfriend-slap.html

 

Many people are saying Doug hits women and he hits them very hardly and he hits them at levels we've never seen before. They're making these "hurricanes," and DeSanctimonious begged me to help him, and I told him I'm looking very strongly at it, but he cried like a dog and called Sleepy Joe. Maybe he needs Doug to "slap" some sense back into him. Girly boots!

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33 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Was listening to npr on my drive this morning and they are in Detroit talking to different groups. This morning they were talking to Muslim leaders and one of them said even though she's a strong Democrat her #1 goal this year is to keep Harris from getting elected. Trump has said he would immediately stop the war with Israel, and Harris won't make that same statement, so even though she disagrees with everything the gop stands for she's voting for him. Lady, you are a fucking idiot if you believe any statement he makes about anything is worth shit. I know, just another in a long list of stories about how this is an election that shouldn't be anywhere close, but here we are. 

I have a deep amount of sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza, but holy shit I've been reading similar viewpoints from Muslims in Michigan over the past few months, and I can't believe how short-sighted/stupid a lot of them are in believing that Trump will be better for their people, in the Israel/Palestinian war and overall, than Harris.  

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1 minute ago, South Austin said:

I have a deep amount of sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza, but holy shit I've been reading similar viewpoints from Muslims in Michigan over the past few months, and I can't believe how short-sighted/stupid a lot of them are in believing that Trump will be better for their people, in the Israel/Palestinian war and overall, than Harris.  

Every group has mind numbingly stupid members. Latinos For Trump is a real thing. There also were Jews in the early years of Nazi Germany who were Hitler supporters.

Just be grateful they're few in number and mostly ignored.

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15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I have a deep amount of sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza, but holy shit I've been reading similar viewpoints from Muslims in Michigan over the past few months, and I can't believe how short-sighted/stupid a lot of them are in believing that Trump will be better for their people, in the Israel/Palestinian war and overall, than Harris.  

“Nuking the Gazans will end their suffering faster than a slow genocide under Harris”

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Article on the Muslim drops in Michigan.

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The discontent is palpable on the ground in Michigan, which has more than 300,000 residents with Middle Eastern or North African ancestry, though high-quality polling on Arab American and Muslim voters is scant. In nearly two dozen interviews this weekend with a range of these voters across levels of religious observance and familial countries of origin, just two said they were voting for her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/us/politics/michigan-harris-arab-muslim-jewish-voters.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QU4.DqXi.apqZEVrDSSMR&smid=url-share

 

I bet Kamala is going to air a lot of stuff about the Muslim bans Trump did.  A lot of interviewees in there said they're voting third party.  Some go to Trump.

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This is the least of Florida’s worries, but this may have a bit of legs

I was just thinking, is it not a truism that Democrats vote early and by mail - and are happy to do it and encouraged to do it?

Is it also not a thing that Trump and the GOP tell his followers to wait till election day and then vote to make sure they don’t steal your ballot in the mail?

I’m thinking that the early voting deadline ballots have all been sent out and a lot have been mailed by Democrats.   If they flee the storm and bring their mailing ballot with them they can mail anytime they want to once they get to a good post office.

All of the GOP voters who are hoping to vote day of the election may not have their polling place intact, a place to live in near the precinct, or gas or electricity to go to the polls and vote

Has anybody here read anything on how the storm could affect the voting demographics in a way that reaches a percentage point or two?

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Just now, Gatorubet said:

This is the least of Florida’s worries, but this may have a bit of legs

I was just thinking, is it not a truism that Democrats vote early and by mail - and are happy to do it and encouraged to do it?

Is it also not a thing that Trump and the GOP tell his followers to wait till election day and then vote to make sure they don’t steal your ballot in the mail?

I’m thinking that the early voting deadline ballots have all been sent out and a lot have been mailed by Democrats.   If they flee the storm and bring their mailing ballot with them they can mail anytime they want to once they get to a good post office.

All of the GOP voters who are hoping to vote day of the election may not have their polling place intact, a place to live in near the precinct, or gas or electricity to go to the polls and vote

Has anybody here read anything on how the storm could affect the voting demographics in a way that reaches a percentage point or two?

my prediction for NC is that more ballots are affected than the difference in votes there.  it might be close to that in FL too.  bigger spread expected, but closer to vote time.

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1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

Was listening to npr on my drive this morning and they are in Detroit talking to different groups. This morning they were talking to Muslim leaders and one of them said even though she's a strong Democrat her #1 goal this year is to keep Harris from getting elected. Trump has said he would immediately stop the war with Israel, and Harris won't make that same statement, so even though she disagrees with everything the gop stands for she's voting for him. Lady, you are a fucking idiot if you believe any statement he makes about anything is worth shit. I know, just another in a long list of stories about how this is an election that shouldn't be anywhere close, but here we are. 

Was she the moron who said she wrote in Bernie Sanders, “That’s how far left I am?”

Whoever said that isn’t left or right, they don’t know what those words mean. They’re not anchored by any principles or ideology. That person helped get Trump elected once and if they’re considering doing it again then there’s nothing about supporting Bernie that makes them left-wing. That’s just accidental. They’re unmoored from facts and reality and unable to make a connection between their vote and possible consequences. They’re operating purely on emotion divorced from any consideration of the outcome of their choice.

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23 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Article on the Muslim drops in Michigan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/us/politics/michigan-harris-arab-muslim-jewish-voters.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QU4.DqXi.apqZEVrDSSMR&smid=url-share

 

I bet Kamala is going to air a lot of stuff about the Muslim bans Trump did.  A lot of interviewees in there said they're voting third party.  Some go to Trump.

I don't like reading this shit one bit.  I'm not conceding Michigan, but it sure would be nice for Harris to win NC to offset any Muslim voter stupidity in Michigan.

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10 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Was she the moron who said she wrote in Bernie Sanders, “That’s how far left I am?”

Whoever said that isn’t left or right, they don’t know what those words mean. They’re not anchored by any principles or ideology. That person helped get Trump elected once and if they’re considering doing it again then there’s nothing about supporting Bernie that makes them left-wing. That’s just accidental. They’re unmoored from facts and reality and unable to make a connection between their vote and possible consequences. They’re operating purely on emotion divorced from any consideration of the outcome of their choice.

It was. I'm sure they were looking for people with extreme viewpoints to air the different sides, but I'm constantly amazed at the stupidity of the American electorate. 

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21 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

It was. I'm sure they were looking for people with extreme viewpoints to air the different sides, but I'm constantly amazed at the stupidity of the American electorate. 

the last 3 decades of defunding education will catch up to you eventually

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Was she the moron who said she wrote in Bernie Sanders, “That’s how far left I am?”

Whoever said that isn’t left or right, they don’t know what those words mean. They’re not anchored by any principles or ideology. That person helped get Trump elected once and if they’re considering doing it again then there’s nothing about supporting Bernie that makes them left-wing. That’s just accidental. They’re unmoored from facts and reality and unable to make a connection between their vote and possible consequences. They’re operating purely on emotion divorced from any consideration of the outcome of their choice.

joe rogan went from supporting bernie to supporting trump in 2020, which gave cover/logic to other morons wanting to do likewise.

more than a few folks were screeching about how trump would be a better option than any non-bernie dem.

the detachment is real.

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

joe rogan went from supporting bernie to supporting trump in 2020, which gave cover/logic to other morons wanting to do likewise.

more than a few folks were screeching about how trump would be a better option than any non-bernie dem.

the detachment is real.

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1 hour ago, hookem2010 said:

I've had to cut waaaay back on my NPR consumption. The "undecided voter" pieces were going to make my brain explode.

The only thing more tedious than their Hyperspecific Intersectional Voices in Liberal Arts/Humanities/Fine Arts stories are the Morons in The Cafe at 10AM on a Weekday stories.

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2 minutes ago, Frank The Tank said:

There must be a golf course nearby that he likes. It seems to be about all he REALLY gives a shit about. 

I thought I was on the hurricane thread and got really excited thinking that he was going to play a round in the Tampa area on Wednesday.

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

The only thing more tedious than their Hyperspecific Intersectional Voices in Liberal Arts/Humanities stories are the Morons in The Cafe at 10AM on a Weekday stories.

Tedious?

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Trump is holding a rally in Coachella, California this weekend

Biden won the area around Coachella 78-20 

There were 2 precincts that voted for Trump 100% - one 2 votes to 0 and one 1 vote to 0 lol

And no, this rally isn't at the Coachella festival grounds - it's at a polo club in Coachella, which was overwhelmingly Biden.  Less than 30 days until the election and Trump is in.....California.

That's one less weekend he's in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.  

As the autumn begins and progresses, it is increasingly difficult to find good golfing weather.  And Florida is a touch rainy and windy at present. 

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3 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Legal fuckery in process

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

A flurry of lawsuits on state voting rules could influence 2024 election results

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/07/election-results-lawsuits-voting-rules/75485167007/

It's been said before, but there's a decent case that this guy is the most important person on the planet for the next month or so (and has been for a few months now).

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/07/trump-aide-corey-lewandowski-sidelined

 

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Two months after he swept into the 2024 campaign as a senior adviser and suggested he would be taking it over, Corey Lewandowski, Donald Trump’s onetime 2016 campaign chief, has lost that power struggle and been told to focus on being a surrogate, according to people familiar with the matter.

The reassignment may sting for Lewandowski, who technically returned to Trump’s orbit in a leadership role in the summer but quickly made enemies over his suggestion he would mount a power play and questions about whether the campaign mismanaged funds, the people said.

Trump had wanted Lewandowski by his side through the summer until he soured on his antics in recent weeks, they said. Lewandowski has been told to focus on surrogate work and see what he can do about flipping New Hampshire, which Trump came close to carrying in 2016.

 

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Unless the campaign hits more snags that give Lewandowski an opening to play a larger role, the wariness towards him from the wider leadership team loyal to Trump’s campaign chiefs Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita could mean he has diminished influence for the remainder of the cycle.

“He blew himself up,” a Trump official said of Lewandowski. “The entire staff has been working together for two years. You think you’re going to come in at the end and throw your weight around? A bit misguided.”

 

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But Trump does not appear to have fully exiled Lewandowski – a trusted political aide he has turned to in crunch moments, including this summer as he fielded calls from allies urging him to shake up his leadership during the turbulent period when Kamala Harris became the Democratic nominee.

Lewandowski was back traveling on Trump’s private plane on Saturday to the rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, even if critics say it was an anomaly, and it remains far from clear whether the banishment is permanent given his staying power despite previous transgressions.

 

 

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In 2016, Lewandowski was unceremoniously fired as campaign chief after he repeatedly clashed with Trump’s children, only to return in 2021 to run a pro-Trump Super Pac until he was ousted from that, too, over unwanted sexual advances towards a female donor.

At the time, aides insisted that his tenure was over – only to be proven wrong when Lewandowski was hired earlier this year as an adviser to the Republican national convention, and triumphantly returned to the Trump campaign in a leadership role months later.

“He’s Trump’s comfort blanket,” observed one Trump ally who has been around since the 2016 era. “And he’s like a cockroach. He never dies.”

In a statement, Lewandowski said: “I’m proud to volunteer my time to do everything possible to help Donald J Trump win this election and Make America Great Again.”

Still, he has engendered little sympathy from people in Trump world, who broadly sees Lewandowski’s situation as largely of his own making and have been more preoccupied with tracking polls in key swing states that they think indicate Trump will win in November.

They point out that Trump was trailing by double digits when he beat Hillary Clinton in 2016 and narrowly lost to Joe Biden in 2020. They point to their ground game strategy of targeting low propensity voters, although the Guardian has reported the scope remains questionable.

And they note that the news cycle in recent weeks has moved so quickly that even deathly negative headlines that might have sunk any other candidate – for instance, about his debate performance – have not materially moved the needle against Trump.

Lewandowski’s purported sins this time around have been described as principally twofold: ginning up a power struggle against Trump’s campaign chiefs without allies to pull it off, and launching a secret audit into the campaign’s finances motivated in part by his distrust of LaCivita.

“Corey was trying to kamikaze into Chris,” the Trump ally said dryly.

He returned to Trump’s orbit as an unpaid senior adviser in August, when the campaign added a number of staffers to the leadership team as it sought to regain momentum after Biden dropped out and Harris rode a wave of Democratic enthusiasm to take over the ticket.

In advance of the move, Lewandowski suggested to allies that Trump had asked him to come back to “run the campaign” – which was not true, and aides were quick to complain that Trump had actually told his team “let’s find something for Corey to do”, the people said.

The trouble for Lewandowski was that he came onboard a leadership team that had been hired by, and for two years worked closely with, Wiles and LaCivita. Arriving at the end of the campaign and suggesting he might take it over raised hackles, the people said.

With that entrance, internally the Trump campaign worried for weeks that any disagreements between Lewandowski and LaCivita, in particular – the two were described as alpha males who do not care for each other – could cause a distracting blow-up.

Lewandowski ultimately installed himself in a ‘“flex office” in the Trump campaign’s headquarters in Palm Beach, Florida, where he started work on an audit of the campaign’s spending and operations, one of the people said.

The audit raised questions about roughly $80m of campaign money that went on television advertising actually went to commissions through a company co-managed by LaCivita, the person said. But Trump has not seen the audit and it remains unclear what exactly Lewandowski found, another person said.

 

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5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

It's been said before, but there's a decent case that this guy is the most important person on the planet for the next month or so (and has been for a few months now).

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