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All you people stressing about whether to drop family or friends over their support of Trump, this gives you the perfect opportunity for a final demonstration of decency before you cut the cord forever.    Because any so-called patriotic American who supports what’s going on now needs to be shamed and shunned forever - shunned like a drunk Amish person wearing bling and a Ziggy Stardust costume while masturbating in front of the meeting house singing his newly written ditty, ‘Satan is my copilot!”

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

All you people stressing about whether to drop family or friends over their support of Trump, this gives you the perfect opportunity for a final demonstration of decency before you cut the cord forever.    Because any so-called patriotic American who supports what’s going on now needs to be shamed and shunned forever - shunned like a drunk Amish person wearing bling and a Ziggy Stardust costume while masturbating in front of the meeting house singing his newly written ditty, ‘Satan is my copilot!”

This is great, in theory, just like cutting the cord with aggy.

In practice, however . . . 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

What the Trump-supporting idiots don't realize is that they just made a Europe-wide war MUCH MORE LIKELY than it was yesterday.  Europe will support Ukraine.....Russia will overreach, and strike a European country....and the war will go hot between various European states and Russia.

And US interests will take a fucking beating in the process.

Everyone loses.  Everyone.

Which is how Trump likes it.  He cannot think he is winning unless he can actually see everyone else losing.  That's how lizard-brained zero-sum transactional thinkers think.

its a death cult. other people have it better than me/us, lets burn everything to the ground. can only assume this condition has been here and there throughout history. 

because there is no clear rational argument. 

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This is great, in theory, just like cutting the cord with aggy.

In practice, however . . . 

“Sure , grandpa wants to kill all the Jews, but little Hans is so fond of him, and he brings strudel..”

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This is great, in theory, just like cutting the cord with aggy.

In practice, however . . . 

Bullshit. I would not let a MAGA family member take care of my little kid if they were sick. I would trust a lot of my friends. And yeah, there is a rule for my friends. Don't be a MAGA fuck. If you are, it is really hard to be friends.

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2 hours ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

And I get why people voted for Trump.  They feel marginalized, overlooked, like the economy left them behind.  They see DEI as quotas reborn and are told that if they're white, male, or straight that they are essentially evil.  Trump tapped into that anger and rage. What I can't square is how they overlook all the stuff above because it's their guy.  "Yeah he's an asshole and he's hurting me, but he's my asshole and he's hurting everyone I hate more."

I don't really know what to do about it. That is propaganda that is very hard to counter. 

We just want to give all those white straight males high paying jobs and health care and education and the ability to have families. But not just them. Everybody.

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Bullshit. I would not let a MAGA family member take care of my little kid if they were sick. I would trust a lot of my friends. And yeah, there is a rule for my friends. Don't be a MAGA fuck. If you are, it is really hard to be friends.

I love my family. I'm not skipping gatherings because of politics. I'm just not.

That's just me, though.

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19 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

it's been said before but bears repeating, the fact that this motherfucker is still alive is proof positive that there is no deep state

deep state, pedophiles, eggs, abortion, trickle down, hunter biden's dick, and every other piece of BS

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14 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

shunned like a drunk Amish person wearing bling and a Ziggy Stardust costume while masturbating in front of the meeting house singing his newly written ditty, ‘Satan is my copilot!”

Sorry for partying. 

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I love my family. I'm not skipping gatherings because of politics. I'm just not.

That's just me, though.

I fucking hate your family.

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15 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

All you people stressing about whether to drop family or friends over their support of Trump, this gives you the perfect opportunity for a final demonstration of decency before you cut the cord forever.    Because any so-called patriotic American who supports what’s going on now needs to be shamed and shunned forever - shunned like a drunk Amish person wearing bling and a Ziggy Stardust costume while masturbating in front of the meeting house singing his newly written ditty, ‘Satan is my copilot!”

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14 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Let me guess, you didn't vote against him? Stop validating any thought of "DEI as quotas reborn" rather than smacking it down for the fucking idiocy it is. Until people like you stand up too, the country cannot and will not be salvaged. It'll be burned to the ground and a lot of people will die. And some of them will absolutely deserve it. Unfortunately, a lot of good and innocent people will be hurt in the process. And everyone that voted for him or failed to vote against him will be morally accountable and will be judged by whatever god they believe in and probably a few that they don't. 

Did you even read my post?  I did NOT vote for Trump.  I did in fact vote for Harris, not that it's your business.  I'm as disgusted with Trump as anyone, especially today.

People are rightly angry.  You need to separate your anger.  Understanding what Trump tapped into is not the same as justifying it, making excuses for it, normalizing it, or accepting it. 

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3 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Did you even read my post?  I did NOT vote for Trump.  I did in fact vote for Harris, not that it's your business.  I'm as disgusted with Trump as anyone, especially today.

People are rightly angry.  You need to separate your anger.  Understanding what Trump tapped into is not the same as justifying it, making excuses for it, normalizing it, or accepting it. 

Great. I did read your post. You said you didn't vote for him. People that say that usually mean they either didn't vote or voted 3rd party and want to wash their hands of responsibility. I will give them no quarter and neither will their maker. I'm glad you are not among them. 

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I am white, male, and straight and I never once was told this or thought this. 

So what you're saying is that you're secretly a communist? 

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

I am white, male, and straight and I never once was told this or thought this. 

I am white, male, and straight and I've pretty much known since childhood that this country will go out of its way to cater to me. It's glaringly obvious that being a white man in America is like winning the lottery.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I am white, male, and straight and I've pretty much known since childhood that this country will go out of its way to cater to me. It's glaringly obvious that being a white man in America is like winning the lottery.

Well...only compared to the alternatives.

The advantage of being a white straight man is that you don't have to put up with the shit that comes with being a non-white non-straight non-man. 

But shit can still suck. Especially these days.

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1 minute ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

There are many out there who do believe this.  And they voted.

As I said, this is very difficult propaganda to counter. Identity politics is powerful for that reason. You can't prove the Jews of the world AREN'T out to destroy the Aryan race. And you can't prove the world doesn't hate you for being white, straight, and male. That people hold you, Jim from Birmingham, personally responsible for slavery.

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3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

As I said, this is very difficult propaganda to counter. Identity politics is powerful for that reason. You can't prove the Jews of the world AREN'T out to destroy the Aryan race. And you can't prove the world doesn't hate you for being white, straight, and male. That people hold you, Jim from Birmingham, personally responsible for slavery.

Well, other than the fact that anyone who would believe any of that is a fucking moron. 

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Well, other than the fact that anyone who would believe any of that is a fucking moron. 

Sure. But, if you go down the rabbit hole far enough it is amazing what you can be convinced of. And once you start worrying about it, you will start seeing it everywhere.

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1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

As I said, this is very difficult propaganda to counter. Identity politics is powerful for that reason. You can't prove the Jews of the world AREN'T out to destroy the Aryan race. And you can't prove the world doesn't hate you for being white, straight, and male. That people hold you, Jim from Birmingham, personally responsible for slavery.

Agree.  I know enough of these people and what isn't helpful is calling them idiots, racist, etc - that just drives them harder into MAGA's arms.  What I mean is that it makes people within this board feel really good but it's not a winning formula politically.

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18 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yep. Can someone put this in paragraph form so it can be read and shared by everyone?

Longcat
 

Spoiler

What we’re witnessing in America is what happens when disordered discourse captures a political party, then the state itself. The Republican Party was the first to fall - abandoning truth for conspiracy, ideology for grievance, and policy for performative outrage.

Now, with its grip on institutions, disordered discourse isn’t just shaping politics - it has overtaken those in power, who now govern as if manufactured narratives were reality, eroding the state and democracy itself from within.

Disordered discourse doesn’t just govern through those who believe its manufactured narratives - it forces even those who don’t to submit. To stay in power, they must either bend the knee to the lies or become the next target of the machine they helped create.

America is not unique. Any democracy can fall to state capture by disordered discourse if there’s no systematic response. This isn’t something we can fact-check our way out of - it’s deeper than misinformation. It’s about power, identity, and the narratives that shape reality itself.

We’re living through a fundamental shift in how discourse is created. Institutions once shaped a shared reality through discourse - imperfectly, but with structure. Now, that reality has splintered. In its place, engagement-driven ecosystems amplify whatever resonates, truth optional.

The result? A fragmented public consciousness where competing realities coexist, each self-reinforcing and resistant to correction. When truth is no longer a shared foundation, power shifts to those who control the most compelling narrative - no matter how detached from reality it is.

Democracies weren’t built around this. They depend on a shared reality, however contested, to function. When governance becomes a battle between competing fictions rather than policy and truth, institutions designed for debate and compromise become tools for enforcing narratives.

The end result is what we’re seeing in the U.S. - a democracy struggling to function because its institutions are trapped in disordered discourse. Governance isn’t about solving problems; it’s about demonstrating loyalty to manufactured narratives.

If you think this can’t happen outside the U.S., consider that we’re all subject to the same forces - social media-driven discourse, collapsing institutional trust, and the rise of narratives untethered from reality. It’s a systemic vulnerability in every democracy.

We need to consider what this means for our democracies at the most fundamental level. If governance is shaped by engagement-driven narratives over reality, how do institutions survive? If truth is irrelevant to power, what stops disordered discourse from capturing the state everywhere?

Disordered discourse thrives on systemic drivers: engagement-driven algorithms, collapsing trust in institutions, news influencers shaping reality through identity, and the erosion of shared discourse. These forces don’t just distort politics - they reshape democracy itself.

 

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1 minute ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Agree.  I know enough of these people and what isn't helpful is calling them idiots, racist, etc - that just drives them harder into MAGA's arms.  What I mean is that it makes people within this board feel really good but it's not a winning formula politically.

Like we're actually going to have a free and fair election any time in the foreseeable future.   When we stop holding elections, fall into a great depression, and go to war with what was NATO, I want these fucksticks to know that we blame them for this crap.  And they are going to be marginalized in the reconstruction if and when we can ever rebuild many years from now.

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5 hours ago, locodos said:

I heard a BBC news hour program the other day that had the shitbag head of the Heritage Foundation on for a segment.   He was an angry trumpkin who was really upset that Zelensky disrespected the presidency by "NOT WEARING A DAMNED SUIT"  fuck these guys.  I'm sure we'll hear more of this shit in the coming days.

Steve Bannon was given an office in the White House. They don’t care about how anyone dresses, only about fealty to the dictator. Fake sartorial outrage is just a distraction.

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5 hours ago, bluto said:

Between that and his reluctant clap for Elon at the cabinet meeting, it’s clear he realizes he sold his soul. Fuck em

He knew what he was doing. He chose this path. 

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47 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I love my family. I'm not skipping gatherings because of politics. I'm just not.

That's just me, though.

I just got sent a link by my MAGA BIL to a very non-partisan Sky News clip berating Newsom for doing a podcast while people are in crisis here due to wildfires.  I'm no Newsom honk, but he has done a LOT (way more than the waste of space Karen Bass) to provide funding, expedite site clearing, and raising private funds toward wildfire relief.  But the clip was so ridiculously OAN/NewsMaxy partisan, I was about to respond with a "are you fucking kidding me?" type retort.  But I think just not responding will bother him more.  Political discourse is verboten at any and all family gatherings.  He knows better.

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1 hour ago, Underdog said:

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1 hour ago, bluto said:

He looks like a character from n64 goldeneye

Oddsob 

or 

Clodjob 

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4 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

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I expected nothing less from Foreign Minister Marco von Rubiotrop.

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59 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I am white, male, and straight and I've pretty much known since childhood that this country will go out of its way to cater to me. It's glaringly obvious that being a white man in America is like winning the lottery.

I’ve had a cop buy me a candy bar after he stopped me for speeding on a friday night when I was in college. I got off with a warning and a free candy bar.

Spoiler: I’m a white guy.

There is absolutely white privilege.

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Agree.  I know enough of these people and what isn't helpful is calling them idiots, racist, etc - that just drives them harder into MAGA's arms.  What I mean is that it makes people within this board feel really good but it's not a winning formula politically.

It’s the playbook

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

Lyndon B. Johnson

If you are stupid enough to fall for it, it’s on fucking you…
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10 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

But with power. Lots of power. Which isn't really aggy.

Well, yeah.  It's not 1:1.  But the a lot to be ashamed about part sure tracks.

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19 minutes ago, GenXer said:

I’ve had a cop buy me a candy bar after he stopped me for speeding on a friday night when I was in college. I got off with a warning and a free candy bar.

Spoiler: I’m a white guy.

There is absolutely white privilege.

That cop wanted to put his penis in you. Did it have anything to do with you being a white guy? Possibly

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4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Rhetorical question I know, but can anyone honestly articulate what we are standing up against?  

Human rights, freedom, and democracy. 

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