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1. Say he's injured
2. Let him portal
3. Build around what Caldwell does best
4. Beat aggy
5. Stop making 20 year olds millionaires until they accomplish something

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45 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Remember all the arguments in the Quinn thread?

Only 1 of 3 possibilities exist.

1) Arch is and always has been shit and nobody in all of his professional level personal training in HS and college, family of NFL QBs or 2 full fucking years at Texas under Sark caught that reality. So for 2 fucking years and 2 games played Sark didn't see the issues and make plans/moves in the portal or otherwise for a good alternative.

2) Arch was great but was absolutely hampered upon arrival at Texas by the coaching staff. We saw a 5 star and NFL drafted QB slowly lose his self confidence, execution and leadership under this staff. It might well be that the time he spent at OSU made him as good as he was since the performance curve dropped the longer he was here. Also, it may be that the offensive game plan didn't fit his abilities well and Sark was stuffing a square peg in a round hole. All of these could absolutely be true for Arch and there is a very clear example of it occurring here already.

3) Arch is hurt and the staff is keeping it under wraps as the alternative options are even worse. Remember this exact same argument in the Ewers thread? Well, it turns out to be true. 

Those are the 3 options, and there are no others. Ever single fucking one of them points to shitty head and offensive coaching work. All of them.  

 

There’s a 4th option:

everyone around him knew he was shit but felt their coaching and guidance could turn him into greatness.

 

I told someone a week ago that I wonder if it’s mental because he’s getting so much coaching from so many different great players/coaches. My communication professor brain is saying Arch has information overload which if when you get so much information that you retain practically none of it.

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3 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I think every SEC opponent is ranked that OU plays.  Also read the OU thread.  There’s serious deep seated issues in the foundation and they poor bruh.  Texas struggles don’t change those facts. Croots ain’t coming anytime soon…


On this day, September 14th, Oklahoma has a better team than Texas. That was not a comment about long term program health or macro recruiting trends. In Dallas this team is going to lose by two TD’s to Oklahoma. That is my immediate concern. 

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8 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

There’s a 4th option:

everyone around him knew he was shit but felt their coaching and guidance could turn him into greatness.

 

I told someone a week ago that I wonder if it’s mental because he’s getting so much coaching from so many different great players/coaches. My communication professor brain is saying Arch has information overload which if when you get so much information that you retain practically none of it.

Agree that he’s definitely over thinking.  That 4th and 3 play where he rolled to his left, he had Parker wide fucking open for an easy pass and catch that gets us the first.  He stares at him for like 2 seconds just scrambling until all the defenders surround him, then proceeds to run the other way and throwing away from his body to the middle for a pick.  Just stupid decisions.  That’s an easy single read play with a wide open WR and it’s like a 3 yard throw on the short side of the field.  These are simple things.  I have no doubt he can make that throw… him choosing not to is what is confusing.  
 

If I’m Sark, I’m limiting everything for him.  Run the ball, designed QB runs.  If we need to throw it, give him a single read, if it’s not open scramble.  If you don’t get the 1st down, punt or take the 3 points.  We need to focus on just getting 10 yards a drive without a penalty.  Let’s just start there and try to build on it.  Letting go. Try to operate this offense with all the misdirection and reads is a recipe for us to lose lots of games in SEC play.  Take the ball out of his hands, run it, bleed clock, rely on your defense, punter, kicker, and just try to get 1 more point than the opposing.  This season is cooked.  At this point just try to salvage it and play like Michigan and old bama teams played offensively.  

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12 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Agree that he’s definitely over thinking.  That 4th and 3 play where he rolled to his left, he had Parker wide fucking open for an easy pass and catch that gets us the first.  He stares at him for like 2 seconds just scrambling until all the defenders surround him, then proceeds to run the other way and throwing away from his body to the middle for a pick.  Just stupid decisions.  That’s an easy single read play with a wide open WR and it’s like a 3 yard throw on the short side of the field.  These are simple things.  I have no doubt he can make that throw… him choosing not to is what is confusing.  
 

If I’m Sark, I’m limiting everything for him.  Run the ball, designed QB runs.  If we need to throw it, give him a single read, if it’s not open scramble.  If you don’t get the 1st down, punt or take the 3 points.  We need to focus on just getting 10 yards a drive without a penalty.  Let’s just start there and try to build on it.  Letting go. Try to operate this offense with all the misdirection and reads is a recipe for us to lose lots of games in SEC play.  Take the ball out of his hands, run it, bleed clock, rely on your defense, punter, kicker, and just try to get 1 more point than the opposing.  This season is cooked.  At this point just try to salvage it and play like Michigan and old bama teams played offensively.  

Whatever it is, stop the play action where he turns away from the defense and start running misdirection so we aren't always facing 3rd and long after 2 runs up the middle.

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So many concerning parallels to the 2010 team. Coming off two great seasons with a great/very good QB, new 5-star QB who plays like a scrub, o-line can’t bust a grape, terrific defense that can’t win the game by itself. The only thing delaying the grim reality is a slate of 3 cupcakes. If a 1-3 UF team beats us 34-12 you’ll know the worst is upon us. 

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15 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


On this day, September 14th, Oklahoma has a better team than Texas. That was not a comment about long term program health or macro recruiting trends. In Dallas this team is going to lose by two TD’s to Oklahoma. That is my immediate concern. 

It would honestly be really impressive if we hold Oklahoma to 14 given we're going to get shut out.

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This could maybe be its own thread but…

 

How much does NIL influence a coach leaving a player in even when he isn’t producing?

This could be at lots of schools with decent NIL money.  Is there pressure on the coaches to try and ride out the dry spell in performance since so much money has been committed to this player?

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Arch sucks, and right now that is the biggest problem, BUT

The offensive line sucks as well, and even if Arch turns it around, gets benched for somebody who plays better, yada yada yada, THAT is the problem that is insurmountable when it comes to this team's goals/expectations.

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4 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Maybe if Sark actually put on a Spring Game this year, some of these glaring issues would have been exposed and subsequently addressed in the portal. 

Spring games are dumb and pointless and now rife for meddling. 

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11 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Maybe if Sark actually put on a Spring Game this year, some of these glaring issues would have been exposed and subsequently addressed in the portal. 

Nah

Either he dominates, or the fanbase spends all summer being being gaslit by local and national media about the “massive overreaction” to a spring game

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4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Thread title isn’t quite Alabama Ball Gargling or Sam Bradford Seems Like He Sucks levels yet, but it is trending there, and it’s making me laugh when I visit the site and see it near the top. 

Garrett Gilbert? Hell, I’d take Garrett Gilbert. Arch Manning isn’t in danger of becoming Garrett Gilbert. He looks like he’s already become the football version of Chuck Knoblauch. Steve Sax is starting to worry that Manning might have the fucking yips.

I’m not “worried” about it, personally. I’m sure of it. That dude couldn’t be more mentally weak between the lines on a football field if he was carrying a stuffed animal out there with him and sucking on his pacifier. 

THIS AGGRESSION WILL NOT STAND

 

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2 hours ago, mdmost said:

It's not #1. We saw him play really well against similar shitty opponents last year in both the Mississippi State and Louisiana Monroe games. So what caused the drop off from then to now? It's not just Sark. If Sark keeps going to him and Arch plays like this then yes I'll join you on your crusade that Sark is a moron. 

This.   Exactly what I was discussing with someone this morning.  

There is something physically wrong with him.  You don’t regress like he has in a short period of time if there is not at least something physically wrong.  The physical thing can definitely tie into it becoming a mental thing and then it’s really up the shit creek.    And we are slowly paddling ourselves up the shit creek.   

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1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

Arch sucks, and right now that is the biggest problem, BUT

The offensive line sucks as well, and even if Arch turns it around, gets benched for somebody who plays better, yada yada yada, THAT is the problem that is insurmountable when it comes to this team's goals/expectations.

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Post was obvious wish casting 2 weeks ago, it appears more of a plea each week.

We can't covert third downs for shit.  We absolutely need a new play caller.  And Arch looked better last year, so I don't know what's going on there.

The D is really good but Saturday it felt like they were already getting sick of the complete lack of complimentary football being played.

 

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5 hours ago, victory88 said:

If I’m Sark, I’m limiting everything for him.  Run the ball, designed QB runs.  If we need to throw it, give him a single read, if it’s not open scramble.  If you don’t get the 1st down, punt or take the 3 points.  We need to focus on just getting 10 yards a drive without a penalty.  Let’s just start there and try to build on it.  Letting go. Try to operate this offense with all the misdirection and reads is a recipe for us to lose lots of games in SEC play.  Take the ball out of his hands, run it, bleed clock, rely on your defense, punter, kicker, and just try to get 1 more point than the opposing.  This season is cooked.  At this point just try to salvage it and play like Michigan and old bama teams played offensively.  

That's the problem though, we can't run the ball. Which is why we are facing 3rd and forever on average and not even Brady would look good if he was consistently facing 3rd and forever. Now what I did see in the 2nd half was a lot of spread option with the QB run game. Manning is a big kid, but he's not Tim Tebow big.

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4 hours ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

except we would be able to see if our savior qb can throw the ball five yards..

He looked like the second coming of Tom Brady in the spring game two years ago; what did we learn from that?

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8 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I think every SEC opponent is ranked that OU plays.  Also read the OU thread.  There’s serious deep seated issues in the foundation and they poor bruh.  Texas struggles don’t change those facts. Croots ain’t coming anytime soon…

I ain’t fallin for no banana in the tailpipe 

 

 

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I had a decent arm growing up. And my accuracy wasn’t too bad either. As soon as I played a live game I was often drilling the ball into the ground. Little did I know at that time I had an arm like Arch Manning. 

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Run Arch 20 times a game like GT does with their goober QB. It gives us our best chance to control a game and if he does get banged up……well, what exactly would we be missing?  Caldwell might not be a 1st Round, Heisman talent, but he’s an older, experienced player who can hit wide open receivers and just doing that would have us #1 in country at 3-0 with a couple 50 point wins.  

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On 9/14/2025 at 5:33 PM, Ignatius said:

He looked like the second coming of Tom Brady in the spring game two years ago; what did we learn from that?

Well shit we learned how to stop having Spring games 

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The OL is so bad, we can barely run anything competently.  Add a slow processing QB and it creates mucho problems.  Cant run, have to keep more guys in, we don’t have WRs with small space speed and instead have a bunch of long speed guys,  it’s a recipe for big challenges and Sark has failed this far.  
 

 

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On 8/30/2025 at 4:12 PM, Wulaw Horn said:

I don’t think Arch sucks. 
This team is going 11-1 or 10-2, making the playoffs and we will be a favorite in every game we play. Fight me!  

Arch seems like he sucks, and we'll be lucky to go 8-4. Between OU, Vandy, UGA, and Aggy I have a hard time seeing us any of those as a win with our current level of play. Not to mention any of the other crappy SEC teams eager to notch a win against Texas

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My concern is how he allowed the program, particularly the offense, to get this bad.  The QB, the O-line, the RBs, the WRs . . . no playmakers.  No great portal adds. Really bad evals.  Little or no development.  And then there's the playcalling.  This is almost 2010 Mack like.

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Miami tech tOSU Oregon and Texas buy the most players in today’s game.  Add aggy in.  IMO it’s only matter of time before you guys get it together.   But I’m glad people see it’s not as easy as tossing money and going and grabbing a title.  Aggy was spending like mad when OU was winning titles.  Didn’t matter.  

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On 9/14/2025 at 11:46 AM, DaysOff said:

1. Say he's injured
2. Let him portal
3. Build around what Caldwell does best
4. Beat aggy
5. Stop making 20 year olds millionaires until they accomplish something

I love this idea, actually. Especially the last part. Unfortunately, if we don't make them millionaires they won't come here. We sadly don't have Lane Kiffn's brain to work to our strength (whatever the fuck that is. Let me know if y'all find it.).  Sark breeds to get rid of Flood and Milwee. Like, that's a must. Those two have to be replaced or we're going down a slide to mediocrityland. Those are dark days I told myself we would NEVER go back to. 
 

I'm scared. Sark is scary. Like, ego-driven,narcassistic,  won't change scary. Someone should tweet CDC and just let him know we aren't happy with our product on the field. He actually listens. I would, but uh, I'm kinda banned from Twitter.  It's a long story. 

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1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Miami tech tOSU Oregon and Texas buy the most players in today’s game.  Add aggy in.  IMO it’s only matter of time before you guys get it together.   But I’m glad people see it’s not as easy as tossing money and going and grabbing a title.  Aggy was spending like mad when OU was winning titles.  Didn’t matter.  

With what we have currently, not a chance. Flood is a massive liability. Like, he couldn't coach middle school linemen. I don't know what Milwee does, but whatever it is, we're either seeing it and it sucks, or we aren't seeing it and he's just on the payroll. 

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